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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News Dog Zippy.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today. We're going

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Speaker 2: to go to the Middle East on the latest with

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Speaker 2: carg Island. That's a strategically very important place. Retail was

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Speaker 2: looking good before all of the stuff in Iran kicked off,

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Speaker 2: so we'll get you that good news. And Sean Mandel

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Speaker 2: and Hollywood on.

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Speaker 1: The oscars for you, Heather do plaic Ellen.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what Chippy should do. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what Chris Hopkins should do about stuff that his

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Speaker 2: ex wife has posted on social media today. Now I

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Speaker 2: can't repeat what she said because I cannot substantiate any

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Speaker 2: of what she said. I don't know if any of

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Speaker 2: it is true, and none of us in the media

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Speaker 2: know what is true and what is not true, which

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Speaker 2: is why none of us can run it, because if

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Speaker 2: any of it isn't true. And Chris Hopkins sues for defamation,

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Speaker 2: it's not just her he's going to sue, it's all

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Speaker 2: of us who repeat it. Unfortunately for him, it obviously

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Speaker 2: doesn't stop you from going and digging it out yourself,

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Speaker 2: or if you'll like me today, just having it sent

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Speaker 2: to you on texts and emails, just unprompted in. It

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Speaker 2: comes because someone, if not multiple people, have screen grabbed

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Speaker 2: her original Facebook post and sent it around.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: This is why I don't know what he should do

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Speaker 2: about it, because if this was nineteen eighty four and

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Speaker 2: social media didn't exist, I'd say to him just ignore it,

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Speaker 2: say nothing. No one can print it or broadcast it

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Speaker 2: unless she's prepared to sign an affidavit or provide evidence

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Speaker 2: of text exchanges or email exchanges or official documents backing

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Speaker 2: up what she's alleging. But the problem for Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 2: is it's not a nineteen eighty four is it. It's

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Speaker 2: the social media age, and he cannot just rely on

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Speaker 2: the media being responsible to stop the flow of information

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Speaker 2: like this, which means this will probably go the way

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Speaker 2: of the Tom Phillips suppressed information within weeks or within months.

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Speaker 2: By the time the election rolls around, hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of people's will people will have read it or heard it,

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Speaker 2: read the screen grab, and the damage maybe done. There

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Speaker 2: will be people who believe the stuff that she said

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Speaker 2: in this account, and if you've seen it, you know

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Speaker 2: it's pretty nasty stuff, it's pretty damaging stuff, and they

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Speaker 2: will believe it because he has said nothing to defend himself.

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Speaker 2: That is a possibility that plays out like this. But

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Speaker 2: the alternative is he pipes up and does defend himself

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Speaker 2: and then what happens. What are we witnessing. We're witnessing

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Speaker 2: an ugly fight between two divorces about what happened to

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Speaker 2: Now that never helps anyone, right, let alone a politician

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Speaker 2: wanting to be Prime minister. So I actually don't know

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Speaker 2: what Chris Hopkins should do. I do not know what

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Speaker 2: his advisors will tell him to do. This is a

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Speaker 2: political pr nightmare, I would say, keV dou Percy Allen.

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Speaker 4: Nine two nine.

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Speaker 2: Who's the text number? Standard text fees apply. We will

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Speaker 2: cover this obviously with the huddle. We've got Bill O'Riley

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Speaker 2: and Joseph Acganni with us. Just after half past five.

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Speaker 2: Now the government is loosening booze regulations. A Billa is

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Speaker 2: being introduced today that will enact a number of changes

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Speaker 2: to the liquor lincensing regime. If it passes, Objections to

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Speaker 2: liquor licenses will now only be accepted from people living

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Speaker 2: or working in the same area as the licensee. License

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Speaker 2: applicants will have a right to reply to the objections,

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Speaker 2: and he addresses, yeah, will be able to serve a

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Speaker 2: limited amount of alcohol to clients. Philip Gregan is the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Wine Growers CEO and is with us afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Philip, Good afternoon, Heather. You like this, Yeah, Look, in

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Speaker 3: general sense, I think it's common sense that there has

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Speaker 3: of alcohol. We understand that, but some of the rules

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Speaker 3: and regulations that were there it didn't seem to make

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense, frankly, and it's good to see

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Speaker 2: How is it that wineries are affected by the rules

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Speaker 2: or the new rules.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, imagine you're a winery in let's say why

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Speaker 3: a Wrapper or Nelson. You go to renew your license.

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Speaker 3: Somebody in the cargo or towering could object. Under the

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Speaker 3: that doesn't seem fair to me.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. Did that actually happen to wineries?

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Speaker 2: Because winery seem to me to be the least offensive

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Speaker 3: Look, it has happened to license holders, absolutely, there's no

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Speaker 2: Has it happened to you?

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Speaker 5: No, I don't have a license, Fir enough, What about

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Speaker 5: the zero alcohol thing, because I'm told that you guys

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Speaker 5: have to, as a result of the current laws, hold

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Speaker 6: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, there was a requirement to have zero or

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Speaker 3: low alcohol products available. And what have some of our

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Speaker 3: having zero alcohol products, they didn't count as low alcohol products.

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Speaker 3: This legislation, as we understand it cleans up that particular

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Speaker 3: mess and we can all get on with being normal adults.

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Speaker 2: Well, so the zero so if you had a zero

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Speaker 2: beer or a zero wine, it would count. What are

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Speaker 3: Yes, which was less than two point five percent, And frankly,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that there are any wines less than

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Speaker 3: common sense change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does sound like it's a bit nutty. Hey,

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Speaker 2: is there anything else though in there that you thought

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Speaker 3: Look, we actually haven't. I haven't read the proposed piece

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Speaker 3: I haven't gone through it. Look, there's always things in

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Speaker 3: but they seem to have come up with a reasonable

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Speaker 2: All right, hey, thank you very much, Philip, appreciate. It's

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Speaker 2: Philip Gregan, New Zealand Wine Grower CEO. Now on the

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Speaker 2: electric cars, and do you remember us telling you on

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Speaker 2: Friday that BYD had sold a ridiculous that the guy

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Speaker 2: from bid Warren had popped around to give me a car,

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Speaker 2: just swap out the car that he wants me to drive.

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Speaker 2: By the way, my car they've given me to driver

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Speaker 2: is enormous, doesn't fit down the driveway, but it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you about it. I will have

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Speaker 2: was like, jeezs selling so many cars, say it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And I told you how many cars they sold. Even

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Speaker 2: more on Saturday. If you thought Friday was ridiculous, wait

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Speaker 2: for people to get off work and then go and

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Speaker 2: hit the car dealership on Saturday. Byd in just the

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Speaker 2: space of one day in this country, sold eighty vehicles

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Speaker 2: eight zero vehicles, which means that they worked it out

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Speaker 2: in the time that the branches were open, like from

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Speaker 2: the minute that they opened the doors to the minute

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Speaker 2: they closed the doors. That afternoon, they were selling one

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Speaker 2: car every six minutes. Crazy. The evy thing apparently is real.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen past four, It's the.

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Speaker 2: Heather, the ev sales is about security and certainty. When

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Speaker 2: something you once thought was secure suddenly isn't them, people

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Speaker 2: look for alternatives. It's a very good point, actually, and

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Speaker 2: we need to because this is remember that whole thing

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Speaker 2: with the government giving you money to be able to

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Speaker 2: help you find a tear lambaya tesla. This has become

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Speaker 2: a debate again. We'll deal with that later on right

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Speaker 2: now it is seventeen past four.

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Speaker 1: Sport with generate celebrating great performances in sport and key

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Speaker 1: we saver against.

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine sports talk hosters with us Hello Piney, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 2: So here we were a week ago predicting Liam Lawson's

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Speaker 2: the end of his career and he's just gone in

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Speaker 2: and told us to button it. Basically, isn't he so?

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Speaker 7: Even you have a word with Locke, don't we hear

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Speaker 7: our our love?

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Speaker 2: What does Locke know?

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Speaker 7: He knows nothing?

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Speaker 1: He knows nothing.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, that's not true.

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Speaker 7: He's entitled to his opinion. But Liam Lawson said, well,

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Speaker 7: I show you what I'll I'll be seventh in the

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Speaker 7: four hours later and finish seventh in the main Chinese

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Speaker 7: Grand Prix, you know, seventh. To look at the driver

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Speaker 7: as he finished above, he was the best of the

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Speaker 7: Red Bull stable. He finished ahead of Lynn Blood, this

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Speaker 7: He was ahead of Max Verstappan who had to pull

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Speaker 7: a really decent twenty twenty six. So yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure that he could have done much more. He you know,

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Speaker 7: he competed with cars that are a lot faster than him.

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Speaker 7: He held off guys coming from behind. I just thought

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Speaker 7: he had a next long weekend.

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Speaker 2: Right, So tell me what you think happened to the

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Speaker 2: Warriors that they were so convincing on Friday.

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Speaker 7: Something must have happened at halftime, because at halftime it

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Speaker 7: was six all. I thought this was tight, and probably

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Speaker 7: and just just unleashed this this attacking cohesion that was

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Speaker 7: just irresistible for the Raiders, who were a good team.

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Speaker 7: You know, let's not hide behind the fact that they

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Speaker 7: are a very, very good rugby league team, and yet

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Speaker 7: the Warriors made them look second rate.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: On top of that, they lost Kurt Caple just before kickoff,

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Speaker 7: Lekahlasima came in. Man, what a play he could be.

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Speaker 7: I just think They've just built some confidence from the

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Speaker 7: first game where they put forty on the Roosters when

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Speaker 7: I put forty on forty on the Raiders. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 7: it's it's quite early on in the piece to be

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Speaker 7: getting carried away here. But who knows, Maybe twenty twenty

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Speaker 7: six is this holy grail? Maybe it is, Babe, it is.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, who knows? Couldby could be.

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Speaker 2: We're all going to get tickets for next Friday, aren't we? Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: Look, I mean you can't get a ticket to the Warriors.

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Speaker 7: That's the beauty of this club. They've connected with their

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Speaker 7: fans so much. When or lose people turn up. It

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Speaker 7: was a terrible night the other night. Did you see

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Speaker 7: that that V promotion they were doing for the V

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Speaker 7: Energy drink? All these people are wearing green.

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Speaker 8: I was watching on TV.

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Speaker 7: How where are all these Raiders fans come from?

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Speaker 3: Here?

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Speaker 7: Because the Raiders were green? A terrible time to have

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Speaker 7: a V Energy drink promotion.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers, it's heather

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Speaker 2: They'd be okay, here's the answer for you. So which

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Speaker 2: Jordan is not a surprise at all, because, as you know,

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Speaker 12: Jordan.

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Speaker 2: So sure were Michael B. Jordan plus Michael B. Jordan

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Speaker 13: Meant that it's really hard to play one character alone too,

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Speaker 2: That's what me and whatever. Anyway, we all know it

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Speaker 14: Fred I love you, man, I love you. You're the

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Speaker 14: And Eila, my little girl who is eight months, who

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Speaker 2: We banned this from the show. We were like, that

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Speaker 13: Oh, permanently lifted the band.

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Speaker 2: No, we're going to reban the band. We're going to

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Speaker 2: put it back on. Anyway, We'll go to Hollywood at

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Speaker 2: quarter past five, get you all the latest on it.

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Speaker 12: But there you go.

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Speaker 2: You win something, you lose. Some news is next.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile news talksa'd be let's go, how did you get?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Getting the text? Like I said, you're going to get

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Speaker 2: the text, You're gonna get the emails. I'm getting the

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Speaker 2: waiting for them decision. But we are waiting for the

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has called on other countries to help open

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Speaker 2: up the straight up pummers. He told reporters on Air

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Speaker 2: Force one that only a small amount of the oil

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Speaker 2: other countries need to step up.

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Speaker 12: They sat with the countes, police stat with us, and we'll.

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Speaker 1: Out worth them militarily. As far as I'm concerned, We've

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Speaker 12: We are ready to defend ourselves as long as it takes.

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Speaker 2: And finally, have you ever got off the bus, of

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Speaker 2: had that horrible realization that you've left wallat or your

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Speaker 2: phone behind. Well, imagine if it wasn't your wallet or

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Speaker 2: your phone that you've forgot, but your leg. A prosthetic

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Speaker 2: currently being held at Ala Metro's collection of lost Property.

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Speaker 2: Have also got a surfboard, a fifty five inch TV

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 15: On the weekend, I saw the biggest light show in

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Speaker 15: the world. Have you ever heard of Albany in Western Australia? No,

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Speaker 2: We're just shutting down airline at the moment actually because

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Speaker 12: We could do a bit of it with fuel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, do you know what though, we would never

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Speaker 2: be worried about what that did to the birds with

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Speaker 2: all those those laser beams.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, don't tell everyone, like you know, yeah, I know

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Speaker 12: exactly what you mean. Look after the birds now, speaking.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of birds, and I will get in trouble for

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Speaker 2: this speaking of birds, what's happened to the Iranian footballer

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Speaker 2: is that five of them have gone back to Iran.

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Speaker 12: And this is just terribly sad, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: That The argument is, or what's starting to come out

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Speaker 15: is they are being threatened heather from you know, internally,

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Speaker 15: and there's a little bit of criticism out of towards

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Speaker 15: the government that Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister, was

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Speaker 15: standing there, you know, celebrating the fact that these seven

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Speaker 15: Iranian women had decided to defect to Australia and seek

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Speaker 15: asylum in Australia after the football commitments in the Asian Cup.

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Speaker 15: At five of the seven they have now returned home

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Speaker 15: and they are currently meeting their teammates in Malaysia before

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Speaker 15: they go back to Iran. So there are conflicting stories

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Speaker 15: at the moment that their families back in Iran, back

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Speaker 15: in Tehran, have been threatened obviously because they're starting to

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Speaker 15: make a turn. And now, as I said that, criticism

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Speaker 15: is being leveled at the Australian government for making a

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Speaker 15: celebration about it, for making a public stance because this

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Speaker 15: obviously in the eyes I remember Donald Trump got involved

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Speaker 15: in this last week the US President. This is going

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Speaker 15: to look as though and it will be used by

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Speaker 15: the Iranian government that look at what happened in the end,

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Speaker 15: you know, they decided to come home. So there's two

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Speaker 15: who are at this stage decided to stay in Australia.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, what a horrible set of circumstances and whatever

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Speaker 15: awaits them when they get back to Tehran.

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Speaker 2: See, One Nation's doing really well in the polls. This

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Speaker 2: is the future, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Well it is at the moment, and there seems to

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Speaker 15: be no way that the Conservatives, that Liberal and the

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Speaker 15: National Party can start to arrest back this trend. And

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Speaker 15: it's more than a trend, heut. And this has been

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Speaker 15: going on now for the last since the last federal election.

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Speaker 15: The One Nation primary vote is now to twenty four percent,

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Speaker 15: which is huge. I mean that is more at the

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Speaker 15: moment than the coalition it's got twenty two percent.

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Speaker 12: The Liberals and the.

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Speaker 15: National Party together Labour won that election last year with

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Speaker 15: a thirty five percent primary vote, but that's now dropped

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Speaker 15: to twenty nine percent. So you can just see in

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Speaker 15: Australia moving forward, whoever's in government is probably going to

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Speaker 15: have to do that with a whole heap of the

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Speaker 15: minor parties. So whether from a Labour point of view,

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Speaker 15: that's going to be with the Greens, or if the

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Speaker 15: Coalition wants to get back into parliament one day, they

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Speaker 15: probably have to look towards becoming a party that is

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Speaker 15: trying to entice the One Nation voters and be a

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Speaker 15: little further to the right on the political spectrum.

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Speaker 2: We're a fair point. Now, listen, what are the points

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Speaker 2: of these crisis talks about the petrol price.

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Speaker 15: Well, to do something to make it look like they're

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Speaker 15: doing something, And we've handled this terrible. I mean, look,

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Speaker 15: we've all been caught around the world, get me wrong,

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Speaker 15: But Chris Bowen, the federal Environment Minister, was hosing everything

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Speaker 15: down last week and then late on Friday comes out

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Speaker 15: and says, yes, it's a full blown crisis. You know,

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Speaker 15: I think you've got to manage your expectations because while

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Speaker 15: the punters are being blamed for, you know, all of

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Speaker 15: a sudden going and filling up all these jerry cans

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Speaker 15: and stockpiling fuel, it's the messaging that comes from the

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Speaker 15: top about saying you don't need to panic by, you

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Speaker 15: don't need to do this, you don't need to do that.

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Speaker 15: So in New South Wales day they're currently holding crisis

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Speaker 15: talks with lots of people from industry, from the transport

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Speaker 15: groups and the like. What will eventuate from that, who knows.

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Speaker 12: Let's be honest. We had one here in Wa last week.

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Speaker 15: We've got a big problem like where I am here,

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Speaker 15: because we're so far away from the rest of the country.

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Speaker 15: You've got farmers who are heading into the seeding parts

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Speaker 15: of the year. They're telling us locally that they usually

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Speaker 15: get about ten thousand liters of diesel deposited this time

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Speaker 15: of year and they're lucky to get a thousand or

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Speaker 15: two thousand. Leaders Now, if they can't go ahead and

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Speaker 15: obviously undertake what they need to do, we're.

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Speaker 12: Not going to have as much food available.

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Speaker 15: Obviously, those diesel prices, it keeps skyrocketing so that people

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Speaker 15: who pick it up and try and take it to

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Speaker 15: the ports, et cetera, et cetera. We all know inflation,

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Speaker 15: he's going to continue to bite and guess what the

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Speaker 15: Reserve Bank meets tomorrow, interest rates are going to go.

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Speaker 2: Up, probably the case for you guys. Unfortunately, all right, mate, listen,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much for talking us through that. That is

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson who's with us out of Australia. It's seventeen

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Speaker 2: away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Heather du plus Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there is ongoing chat about Luckson's continued leadership of

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Speaker 2: the National Party. I see Audrey Young's written a piece

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Speaker 2: which is in the Herald today. She lays out the

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Speaker 2: possible replacements for him, which, by the way, I still

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Speaker 2: think there's a chance that's going to happen before the election,

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Speaker 2: and I think reading it, I think Audrey kind of

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Speaker 2: is leaning towards Erica Stanford. I actually disagree. I think

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Speaker 2: it's somebody else in the party. I don't have time

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Speaker 2: to deal with that right now. I'll do it later

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Speaker 2: this week. Maybe I'll do it in my column on Sunday. Whatever,

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Speaker 2: we'll deal with it. But on that subject, Thomas Coglan's

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Speaker 2: column in The Herald on Saturday made a very good point.

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Speaker 2: Let me read this to you. He says, Luxon has

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Speaker 2: been wounded by last week's rumbles. Only he knows whether

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Speaker 2: he was actually considering his future on Friday morning, but

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Speaker 2: the fact remains a good number of his He thought

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Speaker 2: he was creating a power vacuum that lasted until just

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Speaker 2: before he went on the radio to hose the rumors down.

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Speaker 2: He's something like the subprime mortgage of the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: political system. An entire self reinforcing structure has been built

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Speaker 2: around him. Labour has built an entire strategy aimed at

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Speaker 2: his weakness rather than Nationals, New Zealand First and Actor

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Speaker 2: riding high. Thanks to the fact that National is a

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Speaker 2: ship that's going down with its captain, it's a risky

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Speaker 2: bet for all of them. Luxeon's not just at the

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Speaker 2: center of Nationals plans, He's at the center of everyone

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Speaker 2: else's too, and if he goes, it won't just be

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Speaker 2: National that's left scrambling. So what he's saying is that

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Speaker 2: everyone has designed their campaigns for this year based on

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Speaker 2: Luxon being the leader of the National Party. Labour's designed

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Speaker 2: its campaign, New Zealand First has designed its campaign, Actors

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Speaker 2: designed its campaign, and all of those parties at New

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Speaker 2: Zealand First and Labor all want him there because he

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Speaker 2: keeps Nationals vote down, which is good for all of them.

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Speaker 2: But what Thomas is saying is if he goes, they

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Speaker 2: better have a Plan B, because their Plan A is

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Speaker 2: not going to work anymore. And listen to what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying to you, I think he goes, which means actually,

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Speaker 2: if he goes and they are all relying on him

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Speaker 2: being there for their election campaigns to work, well, it

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Speaker 2: might work well for National because they'll all be, as

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Speaker 2: Thomas says, scrambling quarter.

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Speaker 1: Two politics with centric credit. Check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to the show on Friday, you'll know

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Speaker 2: the strategic importance of carg Island, which is just off

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Speaker 2: the coast of Iran, and why that should not have

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Speaker 2: been struck by at the weekend by Donald Trump, which

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Speaker 2: of course he has done. So we'll have a chat

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Speaker 2: to the Middle East correspondent for the Economist staff the

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Speaker 2: five about the implications thirteen away from five and Barry

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Speaker 2: so Per, senior political correspondence here, Hi, Barry.

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Speaker 8: Good afternoon. Hither we don't have time to talk about it.

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Speaker 8: But I don't agree with what you said about Luxeon,

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Speaker 8: which part that he would be gone before the election.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well how much what.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, nice bottle of whiskey would do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good bottle of whiskey. On that, I say he's

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Speaker 2: gone before the election, and you say he's not, And

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Speaker 2: so you're writing that down for me because I always

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Speaker 2: forget my bets and then I forget to pay all

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Speaker 2: you case you all right? So what did you make

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Speaker 2: of Willis's press conference?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's interesting, isn't it that Chris Luxen

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Speaker 8: is overseas at the moment in Samoa and Nikola Willis

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Speaker 8: held a news conference at one o'clock reminded me of

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Speaker 8: the COVID days. Although the last words she uttered at

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Speaker 8: the news conference that she wasn't speaking from the not

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Speaker 8: the pulpit. I was called at the pole, which she said,

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Speaker 8: the podium of truth. You know when we'll get regular updates.

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Speaker 8: She's doing another one on Wednesday. But what she's saying

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Speaker 8: essentially is don't panic. And you remember the head of

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Speaker 8: the New Zealand Rabishanka, he said, don't panic, but panic slowly.

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Speaker 8: So you know, it's it's not a great situation at

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Speaker 8: the moment because the longer this goes on in the

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Speaker 8: Middle East, the longer, the harder it's going to be

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Speaker 8: for the New Zealand to I don't think anybody doubts

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Speaker 8: that with the Prime Minister being in Samoa, what has

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Speaker 8: held that news conference and had a message aimed at

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Speaker 8: soothing those of us who are worried about what she

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Speaker 8: says the government is doing on.

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Speaker 9: Our behalf mitigating the impact on the New Zealand economy,

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Speaker 9: including what could potentially be acute cost of living pressures

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Speaker 9: for some households. I've spoken to each of the chief

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Speaker 9: executives of the major commercial banks and they have assured

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Speaker 9: me that in the first instance, they will be providing

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Speaker 9: an umbrella to businesses that they already work with to

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Speaker 9: ensure that they can take them through this challenging time.

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Speaker 9: From the government's point of view, we need to ensure

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Speaker 9: that any support we provide to households is temporary, is targeted,

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Speaker 9: and is timely. Officials have advised us explicitly that reducing

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Speaker 9: fuel excize would send the wrong signal at this time

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Speaker 9: and it would not be sufficiently targeted.

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Speaker 8: There you go to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have you been speaking to Chris Hopkins's ex wife today.

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Speaker 8: I've been in a text conversation with her years she's

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Speaker 8: in Fiji at the moment with their two children, and

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Speaker 8: what she said to me simply was that she stood

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Speaker 8: by everything she said in her Facebook post, and what

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Speaker 8: she said in the Facebook post of course, is for

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Speaker 8: Chris Hipkins is not complementary, to say the very least

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Speaker 8: at all. And I see you posing the question is

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Speaker 8: what should he do?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, the great difficulty is you'll remember. It

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Speaker 8: reminds me a bit of the David Longie Naomi Longie

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Speaker 8: fallout that a mate of mine was sitting at a

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Speaker 8: desk and the Sunday Star Times and the phone went

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Speaker 8: and it was Naomi on the phone. This is after

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Speaker 8: he had stepped down and she said he was having

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Speaker 8: an affair and suddenly all hell broke loose. Not that

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Speaker 8: he had to worry about it because he was no

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Speaker 8: longer the Prime minister, but he essentially did nothing. And

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Speaker 8: I think you know, when you have issues like this,

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Speaker 8: they are damning. Many of the public will know, and

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Speaker 8: the gossip machine will be working overtime. Who knows what

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Speaker 8: social media will do with it. But I think he's

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Speaker 8: probably right to keep storm about.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is because he's considering legal actions. Should

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Speaker 2: he take it.

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Speaker 8: Well, if what his former wife Jade Paul said, and

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Speaker 8: she says it's true, you can imagine the dirty linen

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Speaker 8: that would come out. I know Jade Paul, she used

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Speaker 8: to work around Parliament, a very nice young woman. I

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Speaker 8: mean their marriage lasted a very short time. They had

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Speaker 8: two children in it and was only a couple of years.

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Speaker 8: And they got married at Premiere House in twenty twenty when,

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Speaker 8: of course Jasin Dardun was the Prime Minister's she was

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Speaker 8: there and Grant Robertson was Chippy's best man. So you know,

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Speaker 8: it's one of those ghastly things because you know a

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Speaker 8: lot of people, and I heard you your scenario about

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Speaker 8: when people do split up, these terrible things about said

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Speaker 8: on either side, and that certainly does happen. I've known

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Speaker 8: it over the years. But yeah, if I was him,

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Speaker 8: there's no point in him because coming out, because he'll

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Speaker 8: simply fuel it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he will. Although a good bit of legal action

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Speaker 2: sometimes also does indicate that you're if you're fairly confident

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Speaker 2: that it's not true. Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it

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Speaker 2: very so. For Senior political correspondent eight away from five.

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Speaker 2: Here the look for the electric car secondhand market spike

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Speaker 2: as soon as petrol returns to normal. Already, electric cars

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Speaker 2: appreciate forty percent as soon as they're driven out of

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Speaker 2: the car yard, Malc, can we make a good point.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk about that EV subsidy debate

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Speaker 2: that's kicking off at the moment. We'll do it at

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Speaker 2: five twenty five. Just on the Prime Minister and this

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Speaker 2: business about him asking for the title. He's been given

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Speaker 2: the title that he didn't ask for. It's to we

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Speaker 2: Sena ver Maulu Moto or tour. So I is that

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Speaker 2: going on the business card? Probably not. They gave him

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Speaker 2: an extra long one. I think they were like, you

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Speaker 2: you wanted one, here you go. He's a long one, Pier.

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Speaker 2: But in all honesty, it sounds very much like I

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Speaker 2: know the media over in sar War have been blamed

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Speaker 2: for this. It doesn't sound, it doesn't sound at the

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Speaker 2: stage like it was their fault. It sounds like it

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Speaker 2: came from the Sarmon Prime Minister had gone on the

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Speaker 2: radio and said words to this effect, and then it

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Speaker 2: has subsequently, you know, has subsequently backtracked from it. So

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Speaker 2: if there have to be questions asked, it's presumably of

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Speaker 2: him as to what the hell happened there. Now we

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Speaker 2: are going to get a bit of data in the

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Speaker 2: next few days that's going to tell us how well

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Speaker 2: the recovery, the economic recovery was going before the Iran

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Speaker 2: War and the air strikes, which of course is historic

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Speaker 2: and will not be the case anymore today. The data

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Speaker 2: that we've got is the house price data, so it's

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Speaker 2: the February numbers that have come out from the Real

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Speaker 2: Estate Institute, and what we can tell you is before

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Speaker 2: the air strikes, house prices were going up quite nicely,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. The national median price went up

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Speaker 2: five point three percent just in one month to seven

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five thousand dollars. Median prices in thirteen

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Speaker 2: of the sixteen regions that are looked at went up.

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Speaker 2: Otago went up by the strongest growth thirteen point two percent.

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Speaker 2: Even Auckland went up, which is something It rowed six

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Speaker 2: point seven percent to one point zero one million. Even

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Speaker 2: Wellington went up, we're is saying something more went up

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Speaker 2: ten point four percent to eight hundred and five thousand,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars. Activity sales activity went up six hundred

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Speaker 2: six thousand, five hundred and twenty three sales. That's up

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Speaker 2: six point six on the previous month. The trouble, of course,

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Speaker 2: is everything that we get from here on in for

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Speaker 2: a little bit is historic. The air strikes will probably

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Speaker 2: undermine all of the data that we're getting. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that it's going to keep going up, but keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on that. Retail is another one by the way,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk to them very shortly on

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Speaker 2: how good that was looking just a hot minute ago.

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Speaker 2: News talks that be.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the fag and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Here the duplicy ellan drive with one New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the power of Satellite Mobile News ORGSV.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon here wees are starting to open their wallets again.

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Speaker 2: Stat's New Zealand card data show spending rows two point

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Speaker 2: four percent in February compared with a year ago. This

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Speaker 2: is of course a welcome boost for businesses after a

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Speaker 2: tough holiday period and frankly a tough few years. Carolyn

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Speaker 2: Young is the CEO of Retail New Zealand. Hi Carolyn Carolder,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing? I'm very well? Thank you? What

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Speaker 2: are the highlights in these numbers for you?

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Speaker 16: Look, I think the highlight first year is that we've

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Speaker 16: had two positive months in a row. That's we haven't

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Speaker 16: seen that in a while. And they're reasonably good numbers, right,

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Speaker 16: So it's not like it's zero point one percent increase

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Speaker 16: or one point five percent. We had one point one

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Speaker 16: percent rise in January, are two point four percent rise

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Speaker 16: in February. Now, notwithstanding we might have some headwinds through

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Speaker 16: the next month or two, that's a really positive thing

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Speaker 16: that we haven't seen for a number of years, and

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Speaker 16: you know, generally speaking across most parts of the sector,

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Speaker 16: So all retailers would have been feeling slightly better about

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Speaker 16: the outlook heading into the year. Obviously, the current term

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Speaker 16: all around the international conflict, you know, does put a

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Speaker 16: little bit of a dampner on that. But you know,

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Speaker 16: let's hope it's a short, sharp thing and we can

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Speaker 16: get back to business as usual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, hospitals had a bit of a decent boost.

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Speaker 2: Now is that us going out more often or is

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Speaker 2: that tourism bouncing back.

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Speaker 9: It's a bit of both.

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Speaker 16: Really, we're seeing, you know, good tourism numbers come through.

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Speaker 16: You know, February is a really good month for tourism obviously,

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Speaker 16: you know, usually the best weather month in New Zealand,

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Speaker 16: so it's good both internally and internally and externally for

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Speaker 16: a domestic and international tourism coming in so you know,

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Speaker 16: and some great events that are on around that time

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Speaker 16: as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, how worried are you about what is going on

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Speaker 2: and around and it's its ability to de rail our recovery.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, look, it is a concern that you can't get

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Speaker 16: away from that. We know that, you know the price

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Speaker 16: of crude oil has gone from one hundred dollars a

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Speaker 16: barrel to one hundred and ninety dollars a barrel in

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Speaker 16: a very short period of time, that getting supplies through

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Speaker 16: the Strait is really difficult. We know that freight ships

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Speaker 16: are stopping in Singapore for longer. The longer they stop

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Speaker 16: in Singapore, we know that you know, they're waiting for

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Speaker 16: their boats to be full, and then the price of

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Speaker 16: getting the boat from Singapore to here will be much

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Speaker 16: higher because the fuel price is higher. Alongside that, the

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Speaker 16: insurance costs that these businesses for the shipping has risen

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Speaker 16: significantly and they are all costs that are going to

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Speaker 16: get passed on once it gets to New Zealand. And

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Speaker 16: then I think two other quick things. One is we're

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Speaker 16: seeing a ten to fifteen percent increased demand and fuel

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Speaker 16: at the moment, and that feels like a little bit

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Speaker 16: of banic buying. We need everybody to just keep calm

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Speaker 16: and just buy what you need so that we make

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Speaker 16: sure one that there's fuel for everyone and two that

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Speaker 16: for the internal distribution of freight getting across New Zealand

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Speaker 16: that there's fuel for those guys. And we don't have

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Speaker 16: to have restrictions put on everybody, but we do need

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Speaker 16: everybody to get back to their normal spending habits and fuel.

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Speaker 2: Restrictions put on everybody, Like you think this is something

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Speaker 2: that's going to happen.

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Speaker 16: Certainly Mobile have been talking about whether they may need

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Speaker 16: to implement some restrictions, you know, if we're for emergency

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Speaker 16: services for freight distributors, you know, just really thinking about

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Speaker 16: where the fuel is and how quickly we're going through it.

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Speaker 16: When you see a ten to fifteen percent demand and

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Speaker 16: a number of fuel stations running out of fuel, that

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Speaker 16: does cause panic and it does cause other consumers then

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Speaker 16: to think I must go out and get more fuel,

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Speaker 16: which causes more demand.

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Speaker 2: So we really want caroen.

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Speaker 16: I heard that today, so I think there is some

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Speaker 16: information out there, and I know that Minister Will has

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Speaker 16: been talking in cabinet about what are they considering in

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Speaker 16: terms of making sure that there is good supply for everyone.

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Speaker 2: Listen, just quickly on the citizens arrest thing, Why have

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Speaker 2: you guys come out against it when you consider that

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Speaker 2: there are dairy owners out there who have their hands

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Speaker 2: tied at the moment and can't do anything when they

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Speaker 2: are being repeat burgled.

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Speaker 16: You know, it's a really complex topic and there are

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Speaker 16: lots of things that they can do. What we've said

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Speaker 16: to the minister, and we've said to a number of

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Speaker 16: other ministers that we're having discussions with, is that if

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Speaker 16: you took the current settings of citizens arrest and applied

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Speaker 16: them during the daytime, that would work. But we don't

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Speaker 16: think that citizens arrest is appropriate for a child. We

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Speaker 16: don't think that the right to strike something someone in

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Speaker 16: looking at a rest and something is something that we

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Speaker 16: want New Zealanders to be able to do. We don't

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Speaker 16: think that being able to arrest someone for as little

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Speaker 16: as a stealing a bottle of water or a bag

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Speaker 16: of Lola versus something more substantive is the right setting.

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Speaker 16: So it's about the settings not being right for any

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Speaker 16: citizens arrest happening during the daytime.

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Speaker 2: All right, Carolyn, thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 2: as Carolyn Young retail end zed Ceo ever do for CLA,

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Speaker 2: why aren't we celebrating slow house price growth? We own

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Speaker 2: a two million dollar freehold home, but realize continual price

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Speaker 2: growth is bad for our children and grandchildren. Look, I

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Speaker 2: mean that's a fair point to raise, because I was

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Speaker 2: talking before about the house prices going up, about what

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Speaker 2: is it nationally about five percent, and how that was

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Speaker 2: a good thing. Look, it is a difficult thing, and

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Speaker 2: it is one of those ones where you go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you want the prices to go up because of course

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Speaker 2: you have a vested interest because you own a home,

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Speaker 2: but you don't want it to go up so much

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Speaker 2: that your children can't afford to buy houses and then

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Speaker 2: leave the country. But the situation that we've got at

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Speaker 2: the moment is you've got a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 2: who bought at the peak right or thereabouts, and then

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Speaker 2: they started doing things like maybe they started renovating their house.

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Speaker 2: And I've got people who are sitting in half renovated

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Speaker 2: houses and they going, I think we need to get

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Speaker 2: out of this and sell it. But if they sold

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Speaker 2: it right now, they would end up with nothing. They

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Speaker 2: would end up losing money on it, and for that reason,

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Speaker 2: there'll be people who will absolutely be cheering on the

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Speaker 2: house price increases. But you know, fair point asking that question. Now,

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Speaker 2: do we need to talk about the one PMPs press conference?

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Speaker 2: Was that a good idea? So I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you're aware of it, if you haven't had the alert.

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Speaker 2: But Nikola Willis called a one pm press conference today.

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Speaker 2: Not an accident, by the way, not an accident. That

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Speaker 2: was deliberate. So she held a one pm press conference,

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Speaker 2: and also over the weekend she put out an alert

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Speaker 2: level system for dealing with fuel shortages which had four levels.

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Speaker 2: Also not an accident. This is all deliberate. It is

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Speaker 2: designed to mirror COVID, because I'm not not to freak

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Speaker 2: you out, like it's not supposed to freak you out,

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Speaker 2: like COVID did give you the old anxiety every time

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Speaker 2: you sat down to watch the Podium of Truth at

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. But it's designed, I think, to kind of

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Speaker 2: reflect it, maybe mirror the reassure. How reassuring Jacinda was.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know what you think about that, because

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Speaker 2: to a t, every single person I've spoken to about

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Speaker 2: that got PTSD today. The people in Auckland who were

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Speaker 2: aware of it because well, because we went through it.

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Speaker 2: The people in the press gallery had PTSD because of it,

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Speaker 2: because they had to live through it as well. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I don't need I don't feel like I

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Speaker 2: need to be reminded of COVID. But if it felt

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Speaker 2: nice to see a lady with dark hair, long dark

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Speaker 2: hair at one o'clock on your TV screen, let me

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Speaker 2: know fourteen past five. Well, when New Zealand's doing some

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Speaker 1: Ever due for ce Ellenhether, I.

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Speaker 2: Had PTSD one hundred percent. It was awful. I was

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Speaker 2: just waiting to hear Tovah and Jess eighteen past five.

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Speaker 2: Now the oscars have wrapped up. Here are the big

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Speaker 2: winners for you.

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Speaker 6: The Oscar Goes too, one battle after a number, Jesse,

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Speaker 6: Michael Beter, pop demon hunter Amy Madigan, Sean Penn, one

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Speaker 6: battle after another.

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Speaker 2: Kiwi, and then costume designer Kate Hawley, who took home

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Speaker 2: the gold for her work on Guierramo del Tortles Frankenstein.

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Speaker 2: Ojoe Mandel is a senior reporter at People Magazine and

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Speaker 2: with US Seawan, welcome back, Thanks so much for having me. Okay,

904
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Speaker 2: so did Timmy Sellam I lose the Oscar because of

905
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Speaker 2: what he said about the old opera and the ballet.

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Speaker 17: He did not, and I can definitively say that because

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Speaker 17: the voting window had closed prior to him making those comments.

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Speaker 17: So we do know that on that particular race, it

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Speaker 17: did not have an impact. Now, whether or not that

910
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Speaker 17: will be something that Academy members remember going forward is

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Speaker 17: another matter. And there was a ballet front and center,

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Speaker 17: literally in front of him on stage as American ballerina

913
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Speaker 17: Misty Copeland, who just had a hip replacement surgery in December,

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Speaker 17: one of the most famous ballerinas in the US, if

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Speaker 17: not the world, performed during a song from Sinners, and

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Speaker 17: from what we were able to see, he was very

917
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Speaker 17: vocal in his court and the plodding getting up on

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Speaker 17: his feet as quickly as possible there because.

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Speaker 2: You will watching now, I thought it was Sinners that

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Speaker 2: was supposed to take out best picture, wasn't it?

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Speaker 17: It was a close. It was a close race, one

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Speaker 17: battle after another. Had been pretty much the front runner

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Speaker 17: for a while, but Sinners was the you know, the

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Speaker 17: Ran ended up becoming the Ran also the also ran candidate,

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Speaker 17: but it was neck and neck until I think really

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Speaker 17: going into this evening we didn't know. But certain categories,

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Speaker 17: ones that you might not look at normally, but Best Editing,

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Speaker 17: for example, when that goes a certain way and it's

929
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Speaker 17: a close race, and that went for one battle after another,

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Speaker 17: then that was pretty much sewing it up. The big

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Speaker 17: surprise for sinners tonight was of course Michael B. Jordan's

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Speaker 17: win in Best Actor. Now, even if it hadn't been

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Speaker 17: Timothy Shallomey, there was really not an expectation. I don't

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Speaker 17: think that Michael B Jordan was by any means a

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Speaker 17: lock or even considered in the front runner category. It

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Speaker 17: was kind of looked at between Leonardo DiCaprio for one

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Speaker 17: Battle after another and possibly Timothy Shallomey because not just

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Speaker 17: of his performance, but he has been producing a you know,

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Speaker 17: a body of work consistently being nominated, and the Academy

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Speaker 17: does pay attention to that. But he got a lot

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Speaker 17: of love in the room and online.

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Speaker 2: Hey, just very quickly, I love GC Buckley. I'm so

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Speaker 2: stoked she got the Oscars the stuff for her.

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Speaker 17: Yes, I mean it was a first of all, she

945
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Speaker 17: also had the best speech of the night, So she

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Speaker 17: wins the Oscar for best Speech of the night. On

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Speaker 17: top of that, that should be a separate one that

948
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Speaker 17: I'm gonna start handing out. But yeah, I think that

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Speaker 17: this is a real crowning moment for her and I

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Speaker 17: joke about the speech, but the speech as well showed

951
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Speaker 17: her as this very sort of funny person that isn't

952
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Speaker 17: necessarily maybe what you see in Hamlet, which made me

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Speaker 17: cry my eyes out. But she had a great line

954
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Speaker 17: talking to her husband saying, I want to make I

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Speaker 17: want to have twenty thousand more babies with you. And

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Speaker 17: that is the type of a character that viewers will

957
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Speaker 17: want to you know, you hear that, you see that,

958
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Speaker 17: and it makes you want to connect with them and

959
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Speaker 17: see more of their work. And she has, of course

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Speaker 17: the chants to back it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's awesome. Hey, Sean, thank you. Has always appreciated

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Speaker 2: to make sure Mandel senior reporter People Magazine. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, Leonardo DiCaprio hard launched his girlfriend, who's an

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Speaker 2: Italian supermodel. So there's some more stuff that happened.

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Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts, it's hill

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand coverage like no

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Speaker 1: one else News talks they'd be hither.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a return to COVID. Going past the

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Speaker 2: petrol stations, watching people fill up the little red cans,

970
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Speaker 2: A big reminder of the toilet paper days too. Right,

971
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Speaker 2: Niicola Willis is with us actually after six o'clock, so

972
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Speaker 2: we'll have a chat to her about that. Five twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Now the government is coppying heat today for canceling the

974
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Speaker 2: ev subsidy a couple of years ago, because it now

975
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Speaker 2: looks like a mistake, because with the oil price going

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Speaker 2: up and the petrol price as a result going up,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be better, of course, if all of us

978
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Speaker 2: were in electric vehicles, which we would have been if

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Speaker 2: the government hadn't canceled the subsidy at the end of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, let me tell you why it

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Speaker 2: was not a mistake to cancel it, Why what is

982
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Speaker 2: happening right now proves it, and why the lovies who

983
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: are saying this are wrong. What's important is that we're

984
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Speaker 2: specific in this argument about who it would be who'd

985
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Speaker 2: be owning those electric vehicles if that Tesla subsidy had continued.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the workers living all the way out

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Speaker 2: in Pocono driving all the way into the city, all

988
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Speaker 2: the way out in silver Stream and Wellington driving into

989
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Speaker 2: the city. It wouldn't be the solo mums trying to

990
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Speaker 2: make ends meet they can't afford newvy EV's. It would

991
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Speaker 2: be the well healed people living in central city leafy

992
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Speaker 2: suburbs who would have had eight grand knocked off the

993
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Speaker 2: price of their nice new cars. Those are not the

994
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: people who need to be helped when the fuel price

995
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Speaker 2: shoots up. So if we were going to do something

996
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: like this, maybe repeat some government help, wouldn't it be

997
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Speaker 2: much more useful if we took the six hundred and

998
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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars that we helped nice people into their little,

999
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Speaker 2: nice cars with and instead redirected that towards people who

1000
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Speaker 2: were poorer instead. The proof of why we didn't need

1001
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Speaker 2: to have that subsidy to this point is in what

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Speaker 2: is happening right now. I told you earlier BYD sold

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Speaker 2: eighty cars in New Zealand on Saturday alone. They sold

1004
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Speaker 2: eight hundred cars on Saturday in Australia alone. That is

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand at least without the subsidy. Which is

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Speaker 2: to say that when rich people decide that they want

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Speaker 2: themselves a nice little EV they will go and buy

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Speaker 2: it without government help. They don't need government help. They

1009
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Speaker 2: just have to want EV's And they didn't want evs

1010
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: before because it didn't stack up for them until the

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Speaker 2: fuel price went up. Now, look, I do think that

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Speaker 2: there is a place here for government help in this

1013
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: crisis if we find ourselves in something that gets worse.

1014
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Speaker 2: But it's not for rich people. It's not to help

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Speaker 2: them get new cars. It's for poorer people who will

1016
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: actually be the ones who will be stung by the

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Speaker 2: petrol prices if they keep on rising. So no, it

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00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: actually was not a mistake to cut the subsidy byds

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00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: sold in New Zealand on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Is your proof, Heather Duplicy Ellen, ummm, we.

1021
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: Are going Oh gosh, the government's in court as if

1022
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: you needed to hear this is probably this is probably

1023
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Speaker 2: actually related in some weird way. The government is defending

1024
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: its carbon emissions. It's been taken to the High Court.

1025
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Speaker 2: This is the plan for how you cut the carbon

1026
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: emissions now that the EV subsidies out of it probably

1027
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: doesn't look as good anyway. I've been taken to the

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Speaker 2: High Court in Wellington by the lawyers for Climate Action.

1029
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Speaker 2: One of them will be with us straight after the news,

1030
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Speaker 2: which is coming up newstorgsb.

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Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion, Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One

1032
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Speaker 1: New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs b.

1033
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Speaker 2: Listen to us after six o'clock and of course we

1034
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: have the Huddles standing by. We have Joseph BEGANI and

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00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: phill o'reiley this evening. Listen. If you don't like I

1036
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 2: was gonna say, if you don't like petrol companies, you're

1037
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: not but that's pretty much everybody. So just to assume

1038
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: you're not going to like the news I'm about to

1039
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: give you, BP and Shell are probably going to make

1040
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: five billion dollars worth of profit from the oil crisis

1041
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: that we're in at the moment. Now, will you'll well,

1042
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: this is counter counterintuitive because of course they're making losses

1043
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, yes they are, but they are

1044
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: making profits on the oil that they get from everywhere else.

1045
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: And of course they do get oil from everywhere else

1046
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: as well, and the profits that they get on that

1047
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: oil outweighs the losses so very much in the pink

1048
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 2: at the moment, twenty four away from six. Now, let's

1049
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: keep talking about the climate, because I suppose it is related.

1050
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: The Government is defending its climate plans in court today.

1051
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: Lawyers for Climate Action and the Environmental Law Initiative have

1052
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: taken the government to the High Court in Wellington, accusing

1053
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: it of failing to meet its lawful obligations when it

1054
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Speaker 2: approved the emissions reduction plan. Jessica Paleray is the executive

1055
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Speaker 2: director of Lawyers for Climate Action and is with us Jessica, Hello, Hi, Heather.

1056
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: What are you saying that they've done which is illegal?

1057
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: What is it that they've done which is unlawful?

1058
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a few aspects to it.

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Speaker 4: The most basic point is that the government continues to

1060
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Speaker 4: that it's committed to meeting our climate targets and that

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Speaker 4: we're on track.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, what we're asking is is that true?

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Speaker 4: Does the government's plan really stack up? Or is it

1064
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 4: fudging the numbers and taking New Zealand on a high

1065
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: risk and expensive path forward when we're presenting evidence that

1066
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 4: shows that our chance of meeting the targets is a

1067
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Speaker 4: little better than a coin toss, and that for some

1068
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: of our future targets we're actually off track. So we're

1069
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: arguing that the law requires more, it requires a less

1070
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: risky approach when it comes to our climate response, and

1071
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 4: that the government should go back and do a better job.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you win this court case, what is

1073
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: the practical outcome of it. Will they have to redo

1074
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Speaker 2: the numbers?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they may need to redo parts of the plan.

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Speaker 4: We're also seeking decorations what should the law be, because

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00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: at some points it's actually unclear and we disagree with

1078
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Speaker 4: the government on what the law is. These are things

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Speaker 4: that have never been tested before. It's a really novel

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Speaker 4: first of its client case in New Zealand. So we're

1081
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Speaker 4: clarifying the law and we're going to lay down what

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Speaker 4: has to be done in the future to make sure

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Speaker 4: that New Zealand is on track and ultimately require the

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Speaker 4: government to go back and do a better job on

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Speaker 4: its plan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's say that you win this court case

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Speaker 2: and they are forced to go and do the numbers

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Speaker 2: all over again, and that there is a short fall

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Speaker 2: and it's proved what happens, then.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll then scrutinize whether the new plan passes muster

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00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 4: and if it does, then that's great. These kinds of

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Speaker 4: challenges have actually happened all around the world. So in

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Speaker 4: the UK the government was challenged two times on its

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00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 4: plan and had to go back two times and do

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Speaker 4: a better job. They just released another plan earlier this year,

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Speaker 4: and that plan actually appears to pass muster. But this

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00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: kind of challenge, this kind of accountability is critical. So

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Speaker 4: we've got climate targets that we've got legal obligations to

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Speaker 4: meet and that actually the government can't just say that

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Speaker 4: it's going to meet them. It has to really have

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Speaker 4: robust analysis and evidence behind them, and that's what this

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Speaker 4: case was.

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Speaker 2: So essentially, if it has proved that they have not

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Speaker 2: actually been as robust and the numbers as they say

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Speaker 2: they are, they may be forced to actually enforce more

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Speaker 2: cuts elsewhere, like they may be forced to kind of

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Speaker 2: beef up their climate reaction. Would that be fair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we think that's actually a really good thing if

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Speaker 4: that is what happens. What happens then, I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: the government can always change the law, so they could

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Speaker 4: weaken it if they want to, but that's really not

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand's interests here. I mean, we've got obligations,

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Speaker 4: just like almost every other country in the world, to

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Speaker 4: try do our best to cut emissions. I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: some irony that we're in court this week making these

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Speaker 4: arguments at a time in New Zealanders are paying huge

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00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 4: prices at the petrol pump. And this is relevant because

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Speaker 4: part of our case is actually challenging the way that

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Speaker 4: the government has just gutted climate policy after climate policy

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Speaker 4: policies that would have made it cheaper to buy evs,

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Speaker 4: that would have reduced our reliance on imported oil and gas.

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Speaker 4: These kinds of decisions actually impact New Zealanders and we're seeing,

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Speaker 4: you know, whether it's the extreme devastating weather events earlier

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Speaker 4: this year, whether it's the super high price of petrol

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Speaker 4: and the fact that we don't have good transport policies

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Speaker 4: that help us electrofy our transport fleet.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing the effects.

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Speaker 4: Of those and what they mean for New Zealander is

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Speaker 4: here and now and really at its heart, that's what

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Speaker 4: this case is about.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Jessica, lovely to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much. Jessica Paleray, who's Lawyers for Climate Actions, Executive

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Speaker 2: Director's twenty away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand. Southeby's International Realty A name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: All with us this evening. Fillo Riley Iron Duke Partners

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Speaker 2: and former Business New Zealand chief executive and JOSEPHC. Ghanney,

1138
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Speaker 2: the chief executive of Child Fund. Hi you turn hello, good,

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Speaker 2: thank you? Okay, Josie, So what do you think should

1140
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: we or should we not have pulled the Tesla subsidy?

1141
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely we should have.

1142
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Speaker 18: We're not going to solve, as you quite rightly said, Hither,

1143
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 18: We're not going to solve climate change issues by subsidizing

1144
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 18: wealthy people to buy eighty thousand dollars teslas.

1145
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Speaker 2: I did get a text here though, from somebody saying,

1146
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: hither are you an idiot? The whole point of it

1147
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: is to get the more of these evs into the

1148
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: country so that poor people can buy them secondhand.

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Speaker 18: Oh well, come on, I mean that's a long way

1150
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 18: off because the technology isn't there yet. I know people

1151
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 18: who are friends of mine who don't have a lot

1152
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 18: of money who tried to buy a secondhand EV and

1153
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 18: the batteries are munted.

1154
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: Right, It's just we're not there yet. But I mean, honestly,

1155
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: I've just.

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Speaker 18: Listened to an interview. Then, when you're taking this stuff

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Speaker 18: into a court. The court is not the place for activism.

1158
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 18: I mean, that's a climate activist right now.

1159
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Speaker 2: But is there not a place for this, Jose Because

1160
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Speaker 2: I was listening to Jessica, and the thing is, I

1161
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: probably and I probably agree with Jessica on this that

1162
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Speaker 2: the whole climate emissions reduction plan is a sham. It

1163
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: is not going to do what they say it's going

1164
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Speaker 2: to do. We are not going to meet our twenty

1165
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: thirty five target. We're not going to meet our twenty

1166
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: fifty target. I'm happy with that. Jessica sad about that,

1167
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Speaker 2: but what it is doing, what she's doing is the

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Speaker 2: same as what's happened to some other private companies, which

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Speaker 2: is the green washers washing is being exposed to I'm

1170
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: okay with that, and she's absolutely right with that.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, but you've got we've got to decide what we're doing.

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Speaker 18: Either we're doing behavior change, I buy an EV and

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Speaker 18: don't buy a ute. Yeah, al, we're subsidizing stuff, subsidize

1174
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Speaker 18: the evs, or we're giving the ETS scheme a chance

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Speaker 18: to work. And the ETS scheme sets a cap for

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Speaker 18: carbon admissions, so Jessica and all of us can have

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Speaker 18: a say in that politically, that's a political decision, and

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Speaker 18: then how those admissions are divvied up in society, whether

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Speaker 18: it's businesses or you and I driving.

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Speaker 2: A car, or we can do nothing that we can

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Speaker 2: do enough.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, but the ETS is a market solution, which actually

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Speaker 18: we need to get to a false market.

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Speaker 2: But we could also do nothing better than subsidies. Right, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: everything's better than a subsidy.

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Speaker 12: What do you think, Phil, Well, A problem here, I

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00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 12: think is, as Jersey said, it's actually about activist lawyers

1188
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Speaker 12: going off to the court to get a declaration when

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Speaker 12: actually what should be happening is the public should be

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Speaker 12: voting on the various options here. The government should stand

1191
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 12: up and say, here's what we're doing as a matter

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00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 12: of intense politics, because of course it goes to the

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00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 12: costs that you and I pay for our home heating,

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Speaker 12: for our fuel at the PALMP, the choices that we make.

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Speaker 12: I don't think those choices are best decided by judges,

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Speaker 12: and I don't think, in fact, anything like that is

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Speaker 12: best decided by judges. It should be decided by politicians

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Speaker 12: if they put their case forward and people vote for it.

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Speaker 12: And I think that's the worry here that you actually

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Speaker 12: diminish I think the kind of the apolitical nature of courts,

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 12: because you dragged them into activism. And of course the

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Speaker 12: speaker noted that this is happening all over the world. Yeah,

1203
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 12: there's a reason for that, because nobody told in their

1204
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 12: climate targets right now. So this law fair stuff that's

1205
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 12: going around the world, I think just diminishes the whole

1206
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 12: issue and actually gets away from what the people should

1207
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 12: be doing, which is holding politicians to account for their

1208
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 12: version of what should be going on in terms of

1209
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Speaker 12: climate change policy.

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Speaker 2: Phil did you at one o'clock this afternoon, sit down,

1211
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Speaker 2: put on your slippers, pour yourself a nice gin, tune

1212
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: into the tally watch dark haired woman delivering.

1213
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Speaker 12: Some news someone I staffed. And I've walked in halfway

1214
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 12: through it or looked it will sounded very very nice

1215
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 12: and very very government, and I thought it was. I

1216
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 12: thought it was delivered very well, that it was still

1217
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 12: a very soberly and sensibly you know, but it is

1218
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 12: an opportunity for government to look governmental. And I think

1219
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 12: I think this did a good job today. I think

1220
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 12: she said things that were sober and sensible and hopefully

1221
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 12: would have made people think, okay, well, the government's going

1222
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 12: to handle on this. That's fine, So you know it's

1223
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 12: it's it's reasonably sensible. It was a good job.

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Speaker 2: You must have got PTSD.

1225
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 18: I was literally seconds away from expecting her to sing

1226
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 18: Happy Birthday and while washing her hands or something.

1227
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Speaker 1: It was good.

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Speaker 18: And the thing that got me was not so much

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Speaker 18: of the podium and a woman with her.

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Speaker 12: She wasn't at the podium jersey. She was in the office,

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Speaker 12: So it wasn't it.

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 18: The metaphoric podium speaking to the nation. Is that this

1233
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 18: is all the same stuff that we saw at COVID,

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00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 18: right where you were looking at government officials to tell

1235
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 18: you how to deal with a crisis. That actually we

1236
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 18: learned in COVID. One thing we learned government officials with

1237
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 18: best intentions in the world do not know how to

1238
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 18: solve big problems like COVID or fuel prices now and

1239
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 18: supply of oils.

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Speaker 12: So the need to perspect they do they how to

1241
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 12: solve it, because it's not that hard.

1242
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 18: But Phil, the people who know how to solve this

1243
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 18: are the companies that need the oil and need the

1244
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 18: fuel and so's there's all sorts of things they could say.

1245
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 18: They could say, right private sector we're warning you you

1246
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 18: better start making arrangements. We're here to help. Maybe the

1247
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 18: government can hedge if you're going to bring in you

1248
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 18: know you're going to buy some tankers of fuel. Get together,

1249
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 18: let's solve this problem. Let's talk to the private sector.

1250
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 18: But you're not going to get Nby to solve it.

1251
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 18: You're not going to get government officials.

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00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 12: That's exactly what they are doing in the background. As

1253
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 12: a matter of fact. In fact, they indicate that that's

1254
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 12: exactly what they're doing, that they're talking to fuel companies.

1255
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 12: They're talking to Marston points are the guys who bring

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00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 12: the fuel in about these very matters. I mean, they didn't,

1257
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 12: of course explain exactly what they're doing because that's commercial,

1258
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 12: but I mean in the same way what they are

1259
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 12: doing in COVID.

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Speaker 2: You just hold that thought for one tech josiecause we

1261
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: just have to take a break and we'll come back

1262
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: and talk about a quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only

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Speaker 1: truly globe brand.

1265
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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with a huddle, Phil and Josie. Right, Josie,

1266
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: you were saying.

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Speaker 18: Well, my point is that you know the private sector

1268
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 18: and New Zealand global companies in New Zealand producing oil.

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00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 18: They know how to trade in oil, They know how

1270
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 18: to fix these problems. They know how to negotiate these

1271
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 18: deals better than government officials. I'm not saying that you

1272
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 18: shouldn't involve that government official shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 18: But I don't want as repeated COVID where you've got

1275
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 18: government officials deciding what is an essential service and therefore

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 18: who gets the fuel for example.

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Speaker 12: They're not doing that, just mate. They're actually trying to

1278
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 12: say they're not doing that. What they're saying is we

1279
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 12: may get to that. I know, and some other countries

1280
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 12: has already work from home going on. In some of

1281
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 12: the countries of Southeast Asia. What the government was saying

1282
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 12: today was let's get there and let's make sure we

1283
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 12: can do everything we can not to get there. You

1284
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 12: think that was entirely sensible.

1285
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 18: What I'm saying, though, is that one thing we learn

1286
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 18: in COVID surely is that you include the players in

1287
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 18: the market, So the supermarkets and the butchers and the

1288
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 18: green grosers, you include the private sector in the discussion

1289
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 18: about what you're going to do.

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Speaker 12: We're a different press conferences. Mate, maybe we're a different

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01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 12: press concentences, because that's what she said, Oh.

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Speaker 18: Favor of the private sector, in your in favor of

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01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 18: government officials.

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Speaker 12: The private sector.

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Speaker 2: But you guys are talking past each other, Phil, are

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Speaker 2: saying the thing that you want is the thing that

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Speaker 2: is happening at the moment, and the thing that you

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Speaker 2: fear is happening in other countries. And fingers crossed. We

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Speaker 2: don't get. It's a translating Okay, now you're welcome. Consider

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Speaker 2: me a marriage counselor is basically how it will.

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Speaker 18: Just see my social media posts on Phil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and here we are, so Phil. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: the social media post that Hipkins's ex wife has put

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Speaker 2: out about him, What does he do about this? If anything?

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Speaker 12: Well, I noticed that today that social media post. Although

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Speaker 12: the media have been, the mainstream media is including your

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Speaker 12: own station, have been aren't going to run the stuff.

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Speaker 12: But that's it's all over Facebook this afternoon, including by

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Speaker 12: some commentators who I suspect posting it, you know, just

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Speaker 12: to say, well, see we're not we're not going to

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Speaker 12: comply with these rules and almost encouraging I suspect Hipkins

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Speaker 12: and as lawyers to have a go at them. Well,

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Speaker 12: I think Chris has got a bit of a problem.

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Speaker 12: He's saying he's not going to say anything more about it. Well,

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Speaker 12: it's going to bubble along. These things have a habit

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Speaker 12: of getting on a bit of a life of their own,

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Speaker 12: and you know he's if he doesn't have a line

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Speaker 12: on that, then it starts to look challenging for him.

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Speaker 12: I think the other thing I think that's very important

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Speaker 12: is the media will be under scrutiny here. You know

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Speaker 12: there's already stuff saying well, if it was a right

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Speaker 12: wing politician, you know that we wouldn't be so gentle.

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Speaker 12: Now I'm who knows whether that's true or not, But

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Speaker 12: I think both Chris Hipkins and the mainstream media and

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Speaker 12: New Zealand are now on notice to treat this well

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Speaker 12: and treat it, treat it properly, and give it the

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Speaker 12: give it the the seriousness with which it's due. And

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Speaker 12: let's hope we can get to a conclusion of is

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Speaker 12: the one thing I'd also say that you can buy that.

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Speaker 12: You can buy the argue like that the private lives

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Speaker 12: of politicians are public fodder. But I don't buy that.

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Speaker 12: I do think actually these things should be you know,

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Speaker 12: you should be able to handle these things privately. That's

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Speaker 12: come out, but that's the way that is.

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Speaker 2: Nobody was asking Jade what happened in their marriage. J

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Speaker 2: just got out she rage texting from Fiji.

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Speaker 18: And I do think we should push back on that.

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Speaker 18: This is not how we want to do politics, right,

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Speaker 18: whether it's the left or the right.

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Speaker 2: Let's play the sound then, Josie, how does that work?

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Speaker 2: So so old Jade has a couple of cocktail. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm but defaming her as you might not. She might

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Speaker 2: have done this entirely sober, which.

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Speaker 4: Is actually worse.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer, she's entirely sober, and she's rage texting about him

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Speaker 2: from Fiji. Do we ignore that?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 18: I think, what what we do, or what Chris would do,

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Speaker 18: is you stand up and you go look, divorces are messy.

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Speaker 18: People say things I don't and what I.

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Speaker 2: Would There are children involved, There are children, and I

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Speaker 2: don't want to relitigate.

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Speaker 18: Mind, this is not what our politics is about. If

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Speaker 18: you want politics to be politics by the Kardashians, go

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Speaker 18: for it.

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Speaker 2: This is gossip. Should we go work?

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Speaker 12: He's lawyered up. He said, I'm not going to say

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Speaker 12: anything and here's you know, and here's my lawyers and even.

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Speaker 18: Smart move Phil, But even the courts have said no

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Speaker 18: fault divorce, because that even the courts can't sort out

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Speaker 18: who is right and who is wrong.

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Speaker 2: Who's said everybody the other.

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Speaker 18: So you just go, I mean, what the idea that

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Speaker 18: he would lawyer up I think is wrong. He would

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Speaker 18: be better to just say, if you want this kind

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Speaker 18: of politics in New Zealand, go for it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't. And here's yes, here's what I'm staying.

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Speaker 2: And so you're doing it for the children, because frankly,

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Speaker 2: you are kind of doing it for the children, aren't you. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Listen really quickly, very very quickly, Phil, Have you watched

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Speaker 2: any of the Oscar films?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 12: No, I watched that Sinner, the one about the vampires.

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Speaker 12: I love that. I thought it was rubbish. I watched

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Speaker 12: it on a plane. I tried to have another glass

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Speaker 12: of wine to try and get through it. And then

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Speaker 12: another one what's it? What's it called? The other one

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Speaker 12: that you know. I watched about ten minutes of that

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Speaker 12: one or another something. I thought, what sort of stupidity

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Speaker 12: is this? And changed off the Superman or something that

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Speaker 12: was more mentally.

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Speaker 18: Oh, your grumpy old man Sinners is wonderful. I think

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Speaker 18: it was one of the best films I've ever seen.

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Speaker 18: I wished it won and it didn't. And I also

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Speaker 18: know Kate who won the Yeah, she's a friend of

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Speaker 18: a friend and she's absolutely lovely. She's worked so hard

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Speaker 18: for this, did a design course at Massy Uni.

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Speaker 2: When you need to go around and touch your little

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Speaker 2: gold Man, well, there's.

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Speaker 18: Only one degree of separation between somebody who's won an

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Speaker 18: oscar or played for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: It's right or to his wife. Hey, thank you, guys,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. As Josephagarney and fellow Riley siming away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Ard Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: On the EV's Heather a south Way Cato Council could

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Speaker 2: use couldn't use even one of their electric cars or

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Speaker 2: utes because of the floodwaters. They had to use petrol utes.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a fail, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 2: Business desk is carrying me on, which honestly, I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like they have read my mind and

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Speaker 2: this is not the first question in my mind. But

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Speaker 2: It's like they went through the questions of my mind

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Speaker 2: and oh, that's an interesting one. Let's answer it for you.

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Speaker 2: The question is, why is it that the global elite

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Speaker 2: do not spell or use grammar correctly anymore? Now, the

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Speaker 2: reason this has popped up is largely because of the

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Speaker 2: Epstein files, Because if you go through the Epstein files,

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Speaker 2: holy heck, nobody's in bothering anymore. There's no full stops.

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Speaker 2: There's one of the emails that Epstein sent to his

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Speaker 2: assistant was about someone called Enrue, and so she went

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Speaker 2: back to him and was like, is that Enrique? Maybe

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Speaker 2: they spelt incorrectly, not even a capital e. And there's

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Speaker 2: just like myriad examples of that. Jack Dorsey's memo last

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Speaker 2: month laying off nearly half of his staff was almost

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Speaker 2: entirely in lower case. When David Allison sent a text

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Speaker 2: to Warner Brothers Discoveries, David Zaslav has spelt his name

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Speaker 2: d AIVD. It's just swapped that V and that I

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Speaker 2: around didn't even care. Then there was the Hacket Sony

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Speaker 2: pictures where the executives were sending each other messages like

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Speaker 2: all in capitals, we all have to sit down to

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Speaker 2: one word to talk about th next draft now. The

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Speaker 2: reason so that what they did at business desk was

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Speaker 2: of somebody was obviously like a Wall Street journal or something.

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Speaker 2: They got a got a linguist around to explain what's

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Speaker 2: going on here. It's a flex. They're telling you that

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Speaker 2: they don't need to spell things properly or capitalize forew

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Speaker 2: because they are more important than you. That's what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis Next, what Queer.

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Speaker 1: Business Commets Insight the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen

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Speaker 1: and Mas Insurance and investments, Your futures in good hands?

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Speaker 1: News talks that be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up in the next hour. Mark throw

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Speaker 2: here from Freightways reckons we're being a little bit hysterical

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Speaker 2: about fuel. He's going to be with us after half

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Speaker 2: past Shane Soley on the markets and the oil price,

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Speaker 2: and Gavin Grays with us out of the UK with

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Speaker 2: the latest on the Epstein files, and the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: over there at seven past six now Nicola Willis Finance

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Speaker 2: Minister is with us. Hello, Nicola, Hi, Heather Well the

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Speaker 2: old one PMS but triggering for us, wasn't it.

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Speaker 9: Rister assured there's going to be no return of the

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Speaker 9: Podium of Truth, but we will provide timely updates on

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Speaker 9: our You can I want response to the events and

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Speaker 9: Iran as you'd expect us to do.

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Speaker 2: Have we had change in how many days worth of

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Speaker 2: oil fuel we've got in the country.

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Speaker 9: We'll provide another update on Wednesday. As of our last update,

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Speaker 9: we knew that we had fifty seven days of petrol,

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Speaker 9: including thirty days in the country and a bit less

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Speaker 9: for diesel and jet fuel. That's both fuel and storage,

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Speaker 9: but also fuel on the way here in ships. We've

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Speaker 9: not been advised of any disruption in future orders at

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Speaker 9: this stage, so what we're preparing for is a potential

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Speaker 9: circumstance in the future when fuel companies could have difficulties

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Speaker 9: securing future orders. So that's some ways away.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I heard you saying May is the possible

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Speaker 2: crunch time for us.

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Speaker 1: Why is that.

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Speaker 9: Because when we're talking to fuel companies, they have a

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Speaker 9: range of forward orders, but it's when you start looking

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Speaker 9: out a few weeks from now that they haven't necessarily

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Speaker 9: got all of their orders confirmed out into the future.

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Speaker 9: Just like every business, they do some of their order

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Speaker 9: in advance, but not all of it, and it's when

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Speaker 9: they get out over the horizon that they need to

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Speaker 9: make sure they can secure those orders, and we'll have

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Speaker 9: more information about how that's going from them in the

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Speaker 9: coming weeks.

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Speaker 2: Have any of their order requests been declined, Not.

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Speaker 9: That I'm aware of, But everyone is planning a head here,

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Speaker 9: which is that we know that the oil refineries that

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Speaker 9: we get our fuel from are predominantly in Asia, South

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Speaker 9: Korea and Singapore being the main places we get fuel from.

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Speaker 9: We know those places depend on crude oil that comes

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Speaker 9: from the Middle East, so it's foreseeable that some of

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Speaker 9: those refineries may have challenges getting supply and therefore that

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Speaker 9: they could have challenges and fulfilling orders in the future. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: in the first instance, fuel companies would work to find

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Speaker 9: alternative sources of refined fuel. It's also the case that

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Speaker 9: those refineries in Asia would also look for alternative sources

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Speaker 9: for crude oil. So there's quite a few steps to

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Speaker 9: happen within the market before you get to a situation

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Speaker 9: where orders can't be fulfilled. But it's completely appropriate and

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Speaker 9: prudent and responsible for us to be envisaging those scenarios

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Speaker 9: and getting ready for them.

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Speaker 2: Now yeah, okay, now on myles Hurral Have you talked

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Speaker 2: to him about his resignation just yet?

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Speaker 9: I haven't had a chance to speak to him today,

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Speaker 9: and when I do, I'll just wish him all the

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Speaker 9: best for the future. He was a great boss to

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Speaker 9: me when I worked at Fonterra. He gave me a

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Speaker 9: significant promotion. He backed me. He was one of those

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Speaker 9: leaders who had come from the ground up through that business,

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Speaker 9: worked really hard and knew how to lead people, saw

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Speaker 9: the best in people and brought it out in the

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Speaker 9: common sense, practical got things done.

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Speaker 2: Are you see? I mean, do you think that this

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Speaker 2: reaction to him quitting today from your mate Winston is

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Speaker 2: a bit weird?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'll leave Winston to Winston. But what I'd say

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Speaker 9: is that when Miles offered me an extraordinary new role

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Speaker 9: when I was on maternity lead with my fourth child,

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Speaker 9: and I see to him, all, well, Miles, that role

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Speaker 9: sounds really complicated, managing waste management and farm These are

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Speaker 9: things I've never done before, and sure I could do it.

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Speaker 9: Miles said to me, Nikola, interesting that you say that.

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01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 9: If you're a man, you'd be saying how big is

1510
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 9: the pay rise? And he just backed me and put

1511
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 9: his confidence in me. And I learned a lot from him,

1512
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 9: so you're only going to hear nice things about him

1513
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 9: from me today.

1514
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Speaker 2: I get on the farm stuff. Why did you guys

1515
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: you turn on the idea of lifting the live animals

1516
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: export ban.

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 9: Well, we always said that we would only advance that

1518
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 9: if we thought we could meet a gold standard and

1519
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 9: animal welfare, and the ultimate judgment we made was that

1520
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 9: we couldn't, and so National will not be taking that

1521
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 9: policy forward.

1522
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: But it was a National Party decision, no one else's.

1523
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 9: Well, obviously we agreed that with our coalition partners that

1524
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 9: we wouldn't be progressing that as a government.

1525
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: Because Thomas Coglin's written his piece on Saturday saying it

1526
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: was a National Party decision.

1527
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 9: Well, National was very clear that it didn't meet our

1528
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 9: test and he.

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01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: Said it was because Erica said that the townies don't

1530
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: like it.

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 9: Well, I think that that's incorrect. The National Party formed

1532
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 9: of view that we didn't think that New Zealanders were

1533
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 9: happy with it and that we couldn't answer their fair questions.

1534
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 9: So yeah, we did listen. He's right to say that

1535
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 9: that we listened to New Zealanders who had concerns. We

1536
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 9: prosecuted those concerns and ultimately we couldn't satisfy ourselves that

1537
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 9: it should progress.

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean that does suck a little bit for farmers,

1539
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Because if it's about what townies think about

1540
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: what happens on the farm, they're going to lose every

1541
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 2: time because there are more townies than farmers.

1542
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 9: It's bigger than that though. It's also about New Zealand's

1543
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 9: international reputation as being a beacon for animal welfare standards,

1544
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 9: and we think that reputation is important to farmers and

1545
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 9: townies alike.

1546
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: Isn't that about three hundred million dollars that we're just

1547
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: forfeiting that's being taken up by the Australians to the

1548
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: American market.

1549
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 9: Well, that number is actually contingent on how big an

1550
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 9: industry would actually been able to be created if you

1551
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 9: were setting really really stringent standards, and how much of

1552
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 9: that industry would have come back was something that there

1553
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 9: were a range of questions about as well.

1554
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: Is it possibly back on the agenda if you win

1555
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: the election? No, so National will never support it.

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 9: Well, we've always said only if there's a goal old standard,

1557
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 9: and at this point we haven't been satisfied that that

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 9: would be possible.

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: Okay, do you think this is on Heinz Watties quitting

1560
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: in part because of the cost of power. Do you

1561
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: think it is possible that this country will ever get

1562
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: electricity prices low enough again for the likes of Heinz

1563
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 2: Watties to want to manufacture here.

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01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 9: Well, when you look at New Zealand internationally, while our

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01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 9: electricity prices, our energy prices have risen compared to a

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 9: lot of countries around the world, we still offer more

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 9: affordable generation of energy. And as you look to the future,

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 9: we're a place where with hydro, with solar, with wind

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01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 9: and with backup for the days where it's not raining

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 9: in the form of the strategic reserve that Genesis have

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01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 9: and in the form of vwing G, then actually this

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 9: can be a place of comparatively affordable energy. So that's

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01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 9: what our electricity policy is all about. It's about saying,

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 9: let's make sure we preserve New Zealand's position as an

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01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 9: internationally affordable place to do business.

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: But would it ever be low enough again to compete

1577
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: with other manufacturing countries.

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 9: Well, that all depends on the price path that other

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 9: countries take. But what we need to do is make

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01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 9: sure our electricity policy is sensible and that encourages investment

1581
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 9: in new generation because that's what's key to keeping electricity affordable.

1582
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 2: Have you heard that Heinz Watties is just the first

1583
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: this year a Morll clothes Well.

1584
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 9: Look, people always speculate in that way. What I have

1585
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 9: seen is the Manufacturing Index data has suggested that the

1586
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 9: manufacturing sector as a whole has moved into positive territory

1587
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 9: in terms of its confidence about the future for the

1588
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 9: first time in quite a few years. So I imagine,

1589
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 9: like any industry, it's a mixed picture. There'll be some

1590
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 9: that are doing well, there'll be others that are doing

1591
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 9: less well. And look, you know, I just say for

1592
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 9: the people affected at Heinzwatties, you know, terrible news for

1593
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 9: them and huge impact on those workers, their communities and

1594
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 9: the people who supply Heinzwatty. So we're very conscious of that,

1595
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 9: and so in all the policies that we're delivering, we're

1596
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 9: always thinking about how do you keep businesses alive doing

1597
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 9: well because that's where jobs and incomes come from.

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01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: Is in New Zealand going to need a bailout? No,

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: that is not on the cards that no day, It's

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Speaker 2: not on the cards at the stage. Is it going

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: to need a bailout though? Do you think while you're

1602
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: the finance minister.

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01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 9: Well, I haven't been advised that that is the case.

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: What are you reckon? Just look at you, no business,

1605
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 2: just having a look at it. What do you reckon?

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 9: Well, I think in the first instance, they're a business

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 9: who will adapt to what's a global price shock in

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 9: the form of jet fuel. They have quite a few

1609
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 9: options for how to adapt to that. You've seen them

1610
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 9: take some of those steps already in terms of the

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 9: prices they charge customers, the routes that they're flying. I

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 9: also think when you look internationally, you're going to see

1613
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 9: some shifts and airline patterns around the world, and that

1614
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 9: means that jet fuel will remain available and I think

1615
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 9: in New Zealand has every opportunity to compete for customers.

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01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 9: We now look like a very safe country compared to

1617
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 9: a lot of other destinations where people might have wanted

1618
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 9: to have a tourist experience three weeks ago.

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here's hoping that works for us as a

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 2: fair point. Nicola, thank you very much, nickle Willis Finance

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Speaker 2: Hither on what you said about the global elite and

1627
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Speaker 2: grammar before I had a professional send me an email

1628
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: from accountants last week. He said he was going to

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01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: chat on the phone phone. I was hoping that what

1630
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Speaker 2: he meant was that he was going to chat hither.

1631
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: So Miles Harrell has sold the value chain, taken his

1632
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: big bonus and left unbelievable. Actually, do you know, not

1633
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: not at all unbelievable, Not at all unbelievable. Talk about

1634
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: it in a minute right now. It's nineteen pass six.

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Speaker 2: Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management is with US high Shane Hellody.

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01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 2: All right, So we've got third week of the conflict

1637
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: starting now. Got the oil price is sitting above one

1638
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: hundred bucks a barrel. How have the investment markets reacted

1639
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 2: and what about the local markets?

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01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 19: Yeah, we've seen more de risking a couple of different ways.

1641
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 19: We can see that the long term bond rates, which

1642
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 19: are driven by inflation concerners and risk premiums going up

1643
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 19: there up about zero point three percent, So US Tenure

1644
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 19: gave my bonds four point three percent. Locally we're about

1645
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 19: four point seven percent. That takes us right back to

1646
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 19: where we were at Yoga, So that's a bit of

1647
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 19: a hurdle in terms of borrowing our shue market. We've

1648
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 19: seen the USU marker down was down again on Friday

1649
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,679
Speaker 19: night about point six percent, down three point six percent

1650
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 19: since their action startup. We're locally we're down about four

1651
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 19: and we're seeing the sect liberal with things like energy utilities,

1652
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 19: consumer stable, they're doing okay. The ones that are week

1653
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 19: at industrials, materials, consumer discretion ry.

1654
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: Can the market settle down? Do you think if the

1655
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: conflict continues, we.

1656
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 19: Might continue to see a bit of d risking until

1657
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 19: we understand the scope and the breadth of the action.

1658
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 19: We look back at what happened with the Russian invasion

1659
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 19: of Ukraine. We saw this early on shock and then

1660
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 19: it took us for a little while to stabilize as

1661
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 19: we understood the scope of the actions and really understand

1662
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 19: what that meant for supply chains. But you know, while

1663
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 19: US and Irana looking for our friends, the new term

1664
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 19: is this balance between opening up the straits or mayors

1665
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 19: and the risk of internationalization. So yeah, a lot going

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01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 19: on there.

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: And then so the markets today a bit of a

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01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: week's start, but they started to trade a little bit better.

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Speaker 19: What happened, Yeah, you're bang on. We started with a

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 19: really weak start. The Brient oil price rose three point

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01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 19: three percent on the open, heading about one oh six

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01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 19: fifty six US fifty year barrel. After this Cargo Island

1673
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 19: bombing by the monetary tabits by the US, and then

1674
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 19: it's falling back of the days around one four five

1675
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 19: right now, the Uranium foreign minister got a rash I'm

1676
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 19: not going his name right here. Their sole ever came

1677
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 19: out and saying that, hey, look, the Straits are only

1678
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 19: closed to our enemies, it's opened to the good guys.

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 19: Mister Trump's out there steering things up. He's saying around,

1680
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 19: really wants to do a deal there, but he's prepared

1681
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 19: to hit Cargo Island again, and he's going to delay

1682
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 19: some with Chinese president if mister g doesn't send ships

1683
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 19: to help out the golf as well. So when she

1684
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 19: saw she make it down about zero point two percent,

1685
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 19: not a head of a lot today.

1686
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 12: I like training.

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Speaker 19: He's down about half percent one stage. And as we speak,

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 19: where she's seeing the US futures market, this is the

1689
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 19: indication of what might see up about half a percent.

1690
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 19: In European teaches up about point three percent. So the

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01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 19: market's trying to read through and say we might have

1692
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 19: seen the worst.

1693
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey, thank you very much. Shane has always talked

1694
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Speaker 2: to you. Next week Shane Sley, Harbor Asset Management. Here

1695
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: there is Miles Horror going to turn up working for

1696
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: the buyer on double the pay. I don't know. Let's

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01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 2: deal with us next six to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

1699
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Speaker 1: on the business hour with the hand, the dupless hour

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Speaker 1: and MAS insurance and investments, your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's deal with Miles Hurrel. So what's happened

1703
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: with Miles Horrel? Obviously he's gone to quit and Winston

1704
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: Winston sparked up and he said CEO Miles Hurrell has

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: resigned and will leave his once his bonus as a

1706
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: paid This is really the mainland deal. We said this

1707
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 2: exact thing would happen in our open letter to farmers

1708
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 2: last year, and he of course denied it. Now, look,

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: Winston might be right. I actually tried to find Murrells

1710
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: Miles Hurreles denial today. I can't find it. So I

1711
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: don't know that. I don't know. I will be corrected.

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01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: If I'm incorrect, let me know. But it seemed to

1713
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: me he just deflected, really just didn't answer the question,

1714
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:17,799
Speaker 2: which is different.

1715
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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is that Winston is seeing

1717
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 2: here that I'm not saying, because this is just smart

1718
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: career management. It was obvious that Miles was going to quit.

1719
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 2: You stitched together the deal of the year, got the

1720
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 2: deal of the decade, maybe even longer in New Zealand,

1721
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: Like when are we ever going to see a deal

1722
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 2: that big in New Zealand?

1723
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 3: Again?

1724
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: You stitch that together. You're on a high, aren't you?

1725
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: What are you doing hanging around? Everybody knows you quit

1726
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 2: when you're on a high, because when you quit, when

1727
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 2: you're on a high, everybody wants you in their business

1728
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: and they're going to offer you top dollar to go across.

1729
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: So presumably that I'm assuming that's what he's doing, and

1730
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: that is incredibly smart if he's doing that. But also,

1731
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: I mean, once you've done the deal, you've done the thing,

1732
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: haven't you Like? Isn't that going to be the pinnacle

1733
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: of all the work at Fonterra. What other work at

1734
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: Fonterra will ever be as challenging or as reward as

1735
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 2: stitching together this massive deal? In which case you've done

1736
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: the thing, probably need a new challenge in some other business,

1737
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 2: some other sector whatever, you move on. So I think

1738
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 2: it was entirely predictable that this was going to happen.

1739
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: I also think it's a smart thing for Miles to do.

1740
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, as I say, correct me if I'm wrong.

1741
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: Six twenty six, there's no business like show business.

1742
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 2: They love to party. Do you want to hear what

1743
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: was in the gift bags at the Oscars? The gift

1744
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: bags are worth a whopping three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yes,

1745
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: you heard right, three hundred and fifty thousand dollars is

1746
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 2: bigger than you'll deposit on your house. That's just in

1747
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: a little bag. They're getting a luxury villa stay in

1748
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: Costa Rica and ibetha plus A ten day holiday in

1749
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka. Crypto storage for your bit coins, they've got

1750
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: that in there as well, a custom prenup from the

1751
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 2: divorce lawyer, Jim Sexton got that covered for them as well.

1752
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 2: Becau's just all the stuff that you need if you're

1753
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: a celebrity, you know, some treats for the after party.

1754
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: They got some luxury cannabis, some THHC microdos tonics, some

1755
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 2: lighto suction, some facial rejuvenile, a smile makeover, because I

1756
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but if you looked around that

1757
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: audience he thought some ugly No you didn't. They were

1758
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: all gorgeous smiles. But if they need to be better,

1759
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 2: they've got that in the gift bag, as well as

1760
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 2: sculpt and lift facials. So if you see in the

1761
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: next few weeks Tommy Challamay looking a little bit more

1762
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: like his girlfriend than himself, Kylie Jenner, then you know

1763
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 2: why because he's dipped on into that baggie. He's got

1764
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 2: everything out and he's used it on himself. Mark trow

1765
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: here reckons, this is the guy who runs straightways.

1766
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 9: Reckons.

1767
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: We're all getting a bit excited about the fuel price.

1768
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 2: The word he used is hysteria, and he's going to

1769
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: be with us next to explain why he's much calmer

1770
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: than the rest of us on this news talks. He'd

1771
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: bet on like it was Dudy of fifty.

1772
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 3: On the er.

1773
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: That's for another drink the glasses girl.

1774
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're always up for everything, from SMEs to the

1775
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: big corporates, the business hour with head, the duplicy Aalen

1776
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: and Mas, insurance and investments, your futures in good hands.

1777
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: News talks, they'd be So I'll give you.

1778
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 16: One.

1779
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: Was the most fun thing out of the Epstein files

1780
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: is if you could say that any of it was fun,

1781
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: it's that Epstein arranged for Peter Manderson to get botox

1782
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:23,719
Speaker 2: on a government holiday.

1783
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 11: Now.

1784
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but that's the kind of

1785
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: friends you want. A friend who's like, you know what,

1786
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 2: you look a little sad and tired. Let me get

1787
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: you some botox. Let me pay for it for you.

1788
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Everything else, though obviously slightly problematic.

1789
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven now, the boss of freightways

1790
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: is warning there's way too much hysteria about rising fuel prices.

1791
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: He says, we're still quite away from the heights of

1792
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 2: the Ukraine War when diesel hit three dollars a week

1793
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: of the bosses obviously Mark trou here at HOMRK.

1794
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 12: Hi, Heather, how are you?

1795
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you. So why don't you think it's

1796
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 2: going to be that bad?

1797
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's an evolving situation.

1798
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 20: But I think where we weigh off having to panic

1799
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 20: about things just yet, there's plenty of fuel in the country,

1800
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 20: there's fuel on the way, there's plenty of supply there.

1801
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 20: I think we're in a better position than many other places.

1802
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 20: There's probably other challenges that are a little bit closer

1803
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 20: for us at the moments. On the last week, we've

1804
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 20: had only two terrine into fairies, two fairies operating over

1805
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 20: the cook straight. That was probably a bigger issue for

1806
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 20: us late last week to worry about than fuel.

1807
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would agree with you that we

1808
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: have some issues here that are quite massive. But are

1809
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 2: you saying that you believe that the fuel price is

1810
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 2: not going to hit the heights that? I mean some

1811
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: people are talking about four dollars twenty two, four dollars.

1812
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 2: You don't think it's going to get there?

1813
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 20: I'm not sure and I don't know. I mean, if

1814
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 20: you looked at the Ukraine situation back in twenty two,

1815
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 20: diesel prices hit up around three dollars, and to be honest,

1816
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 20: I don't remember the same level of annik and the

1817
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 20: same amount of news around that back then. So I

1818
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 20: think those things will play out as they do. People

1819
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 20: will have to have a think about how they can

1820
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 20: serve fuel and how they manage and work with the budgets.

1821
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 20: That'll be the same for us as businesses as it

1822
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 20: well for private citizens. But those things haven't happened yet.

1823
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so what do you and I think the other

1824
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: thing that's freaking people out, and I what your take

1825
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: on this mark is that we are sitting here at

1826
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: the moment, we haven't even started to feel the possible

1827
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: effects of any kind of fuel disruption, right because the

1828
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: ships are still they've just landed in Singapore, We've still

1829
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: got our ships coming. So it's almost like we're looking

1830
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: at a storm that's building and coming for us and

1831
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: we're already sitting above three dollars a liter in ninety one.

1832
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: So is it not right to be slightly worried about

1833
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: the lag effect here?

1834
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 20: Well, I'm not sure if people need to be worried,

1835
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 20: but I think they need to be prepared, you know,

1836
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 20: prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and to

1837
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 20: our business again, just like private citizens, we'll start thinking

1838
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 20: about what you need to do if you need to

1839
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 20: use a bit less fuel. I've just driven thirty five

1840
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 20: minutes back in the traffic and I reckon ninety percent

1841
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 20: of the vehicle's only had one person in them. You know,

1842
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 20: there's a whole lot of things that we we can

1843
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 20: all do and then that we would do in our

1844
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 20: business if we had to minimize the amount of fuel

1845
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 20: we were using or reduce the amount of fuel we

1846
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 20: were using, and there for the cost.

1847
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the things though got I feel like

1848
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm but let's put your argument through its paces though.

1849
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 2: One of the things, I mean, we can talk about

1850
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: potentially cutting down our fuel use, and that may be possible,

1851
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 2: work from home, carpool, do that kind of thing. But

1852
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: you can't eat less bread and you can't eat less

1853
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: meat right without going hungry. And that's all going to

1854
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 2: go up, isn't it.

1855
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 12: Yet?

1856
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 20: There will be an impact in terms of inflation, So

1857
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 20: most transport businesses will be lifting fuel adjustment factors or

1858
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 20: fuel search arges that they have through their businesses. So

1859
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 20: that type of thing will happen just as it did

1860
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 20: back in twenty twenty two. They will happen for a

1861
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 20: period that sort of thing. That we operate a children

1862
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 20: frozen food business, and a lot of the food we

1863
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 20: handle has been higher value food, and what we've seen

1864
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,560
Speaker 20: through the recession is that people have consumed less of

1865
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 20: that higher value food and shifted to cheaper food. So

1866
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 20: I think those types of things happen all the time

1867
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 20: in relation to all sorts of impacts fuel prices, be

1868
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 20: they recessions, be it COVID, so on and so forth.

1869
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so what is it that your business is watching.

1870
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: What are the key signs for you that things have

1871
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 2: gone from being manageable to not.

1872
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 6: Well?

1873
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 20: I think for us things are still manageable. I mean,

1874
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 20: we'll keep a close eye on the amount of fuel

1875
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 20: in the country and on the way here. There's plenty

1876
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 20: of lead indicators for that, so we're going to have

1877
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 20: plenty of notice if there are genuinely.

1878
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 12: Short fuel shortages.

1879
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 20: We use jet fuel for the aircraft we run, we

1880
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 20: use diesel, and we use a little bit of petrol

1881
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 20: in some vehicles, but we will have plenty of notice

1882
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 20: of that we're going to see that coming. There's plenty

1883
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 20: of things we can do that might sacrifice a little

1884
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 20: bit of timeliness to be a bit more efficient with fuel.

1885
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 20: If we're talking about twenty percent of fuel supply being

1886
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 20: impacted through the Strait, and if we use that as

1887
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 20: a proxy for what we have to adjust for, I

1888
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 20: don't know. I think if you went back through COVID,

1889
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 20: you'd find New Zealand used a hell of a lot

1890
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 20: less fuel during that period.

1891
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. How are you feeling about the impact

1892
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 2: this might have on GDP? Because mate, I feel like

1893
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 2: we've just come through COVID, that's been a frasal. Now

1894
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: we've gone through the recession that Adrian All put us in,

1895
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: and we're just coming right and now this is going on.

1896
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 7: So I don't know.

1897
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 2: What do you think this is going to do to

1898
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: the economy.

1899
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 12: Well, look, it could put a little then.

1900
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 20: I'm not an economist by any means, but I've been

1901
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 20: in this business a long time and seeing plenty of impacts.

1902
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 20: I seeing probably three recessions go through. Look, I think

1903
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 20: the underlying fundamentals are okay. We were starting to see

1904
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 20: customers trade up up to this point, it's a little

1905
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 20: early to tell whether that has changed yet, but look,

1906
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 20: I'm reasonably optimistic that we'll come through this. If there's

1907
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 20: a little hit, everyone wears a little hit. If there's

1908
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 20: a bit of inflation, you know, maybe that's temporary, depending

1909
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 20: on how long this goes for. But I think I

1910
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 20: think part of our funk over here, and I spend

1911
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 20: quite a bit of time in Australia, we sometimes talk

1912
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 20: ourselves into a funk, and Australia is facing largely so

1913
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 20: the conditions, higher levels inflation. But geez, most of the

1914
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 20: customers and operators over there are talking pretty positively.

1915
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair point you make.

1916
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 9: Mark.

1917
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: Thank you as always really appreciate talking to you. Mark

1918
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: tro here, who's the Freightway's chief executive. Nineteen away from

1919
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 2: seven to do for c Allen Heather. Do you understand

1920
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: how this is such a power moved by Trump? Oh,

1921
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 2: this is reed, This is obviously re Trump asking all

1922
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 2: that you know, his allies, plus also China to send

1923
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 2: vessels over to secure the strait of whole moves. Do

1924
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: you understand how this is such a power moved by Trump?

1925
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: China is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

1926
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: If they don't, their oil supply will be cut off

1927
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: for longer, and they will have to deal with Trump

1928
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 2: directly once he has finished securing it. If they do,

1929
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: they will be publicly siding with the enemy of their ally,

1930
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: and that will destroy all other such relationships they have

1931
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: with other countries, as well as publicly humiliating China on

1932
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 2: the world stage. Because they submitted to Trump in the

1933
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: usay both make invading Taiwan impossible. Also, they now know

1934
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Speaker 2: that none of the military equipment is effective in the

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Speaker 2: least way to ours, and Taiwan has been well supplied

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Speaker 2: by US. Yeah, it's a fair point, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: feeling quite as confident because what is There is some

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Speaker 2: oil coming through the strata hummus and the it's it's

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Speaker 2: just not our oil, it's China's oil. China's oil and

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Speaker 2: n India's oil is getting through because that's what Iran

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Speaker 2: is leaving through. And I remember about five days ago

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Speaker 2: they said about twelve million barrels had got through. Now

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Speaker 2: that's not actually that much in the scheme of things,

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Speaker 2: but there is. Yeah, maybe China doesn't need to worry

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Speaker 2: about it so much. Hither it will be interesting to

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Speaker 2: see if Chippy cancels his regular media rounds tomorrow. That

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Speaker 2: is actually a fair point. Apparently somebody text me earlier

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Speaker 2: and said some so third hand, So I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: be completely honest about it. But somebody text me earlier

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Speaker 2: and said, Labour's gone very quiet on social media and

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Speaker 2: they're not seeing anything because of course the x Ye

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Speaker 2: hijacked one of their posts because Chippy done a little

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Speaker 2: thing where he was like, it's really important to me jobs,

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Speaker 2: houses and whatever else health I think it was, and

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Speaker 2: so she then reposted it and hijacked it with her

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Speaker 2: version of events at the top. And now they've just

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Speaker 2: gone quiet, presumably to I don't know, not draw any

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Speaker 2: attention to themselves. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Kyle and Jackie. Oh,

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Speaker 2: the story. This is the story that has captivated me,

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Speaker 2: the radio duo over in Australia. And first of all,

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Speaker 2: I was interested in it because of course they are

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Speaker 2: extremely wealthy on their radio contracts, like these guys are

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Speaker 2: earning ten million dollars a year each for working for ARN.

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Speaker 2: But now so that and just like how profane he is,

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Speaker 2: just the whole thing has been fascinating that it blew

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Speaker 2: up the way it did. What's become fascinating to me

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Speaker 2: now is how quite clearly arn is just using this

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Speaker 2: as an excuse to try to get rid of them

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Speaker 2: because they cost so much. The latest thing is tomorrow

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Speaker 2: is the deadline. So remember they put them on like

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Speaker 2: a twelve week a two week probation period with Alex

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Speaker 2: suspended him and then they're going to deal with all

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Speaker 2: the staff and figure out what to do. That's that,

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Speaker 2: apparently is just basically par for the course before you

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Speaker 2: fire somebody like that in Australia. I'm so I'm told

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Speaker 2: that deadline runs out Tomorrow's tomorrow, we should find out something.

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Speaker 2: But the second thing is that the regulator has finally

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Speaker 2: slapped license conditions on the network, so it's made it probably,

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Speaker 2: I mean, depending on which way you look at it

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Speaker 2: might make it hard to run a show like these again,

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Speaker 2: thereby basically cutting it off as Sneeze is not going

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Speaker 2: to happen. Possibly anyway, we'll find out tomorrow, sixteen away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas Insurance

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Speaker 1: and Investments, Your futures in good hands us talks, that'd

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Speaker 1: be Heather.

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Speaker 2: We are bloody catastrophizers in New Zealand, bloody negative ninety

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Speaker 2: one octane. Oh, I think that's supposed to. Oh, he

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Speaker 2: was doing the global elite thing where he forgot to

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Speaker 2: put a this is Tony didn't put a full stop.

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Speaker 2: Allow me to put a full stop and reread that

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Speaker 2: sentence to you. Bloody negative full stop ninety one octane

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Speaker 2: was three dollars fifteen in May twenty twenty two. Bloody hell.

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Speaker 2: Everything is hotter, colder, more densely, dense, more rainy, more drafty,

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Speaker 2: more bigger, more harder. Tony, he's writing a text like Epstein,

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Speaker 2: isn't he random? A but of optimism and resilience Tony, Well,

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Speaker 2: we know what Tony means, even if Tony is writing

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Speaker 2: like he's flixing on us. Here twelve away from seven,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us. Hello, Gevin, Hi

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Speaker 2: there he Okay? So Stamers is no to.

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Speaker 12: A ship at the moment.

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Speaker 21: That's certainly the way it's looking. Some of the newspapers

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Speaker 21: are reporting that Sirkis Starmer is not going to accept

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Speaker 21: the invitation from Donald Trump to police the waterway known

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Speaker 21: as the Strait of Horn Moves, which of course is

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Speaker 21: blocked because of Iran, and that has led to a

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Speaker 21: massive spike in oil prices. Now it's being reported that

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Speaker 21: the pair Donald Trump and Sekiir Starmer had a phone

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Speaker 21: call and that since that phone call, Sekiir Starmer was

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Speaker 21: offering mine hunting drones and missile interceptors to keep the

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Speaker 21: shipping route open, but has not offered to place some

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Speaker 21: of the other vessels in the street in order to

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Speaker 21: effectively police it, to let the tankers and freighters go

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Speaker 21: through whilst trying to protect them from Iranian drones. So

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Speaker 21: Donald Trump on Air Force One just actually in the

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Speaker 21: last twenty minutes or so saying he's speaking to about

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Speaker 21: seven countries about police in the waterway. It'll be interesting

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Speaker 21: to see which countries help in what he called a

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Speaker 21: very very small endeavor that he also warned in an

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Speaker 21: interview with the UK's Financial Times a little earlier, it

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Speaker 21: would be very bad for the future of NATO if

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Speaker 21: allies don't secure the critical waterway.

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Speaker 12: With the US.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are we taking that as a three.

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Speaker 21: Very much so, I would suggest, But of course we've

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Speaker 21: been here before. Last week, Donald Trump saying he didn't

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Speaker 21: need Britain's warships. We joined it too late. He'd already

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Speaker 21: won the war. This weekend, a completely different Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the problem with heating oil for you guys, Well,

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Speaker 2: heating oil.

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Speaker 21: In this country does not come under the regulation of

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Speaker 21: a price cap, which gas and electricity for heating and

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Speaker 21: hot water do. Moment, those using electricity or gas for

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Speaker 21: heating are going to see, yes, a rise in arise

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Speaker 21: in energy prices, but it'll be capped by the government's

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Speaker 21: regulator off GEM, and it'll be smoothed out over a

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Speaker 21: long period of time and will probably be much less

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Speaker 21: of a spiking rise that we've seen currently for the

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Speaker 21: oil prices. However, those who use oil for heating in

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Speaker 21: the UK are not under that cap, and therefore they

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Speaker 21: won't benefit from it, and therefore they are seeing these

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Speaker 21: massive spikes in energy prices. People are being told that

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Speaker 21: they go to fill their outdoor oil drum for their

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Speaker 21: heating and are being told it's double, or being told

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Speaker 21: there isn't the oil around and they're going to be

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Speaker 21: put on a new contract which hoever, surprise surprise, is

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Speaker 21: much more expensive. So secure starma and the UK Government

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Speaker 21: to announce some kind of a support for those households,

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Speaker 21: and it is a lot. In fact, in Northern Ireland

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Speaker 21: it's roughly half of all all households use oil for heating,

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Speaker 21: so it is pretty extensive in some five hundred thousand

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Speaker 21: homes using it in Northern Ireland, two thirds of all

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Speaker 21: households that actually is in that part of the UK,

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Speaker 21: whereas about three percent of households in England and Wales

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Speaker 21: said oil is their only source of central heating, So

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Speaker 21: it is something that's important to those people. Will wait

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Speaker 21: to see what the government's.

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Speaker 5: Action is now.

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Speaker 2: Is what is Megan and Harry actually, what are they

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Speaker 2: actually going to do about this author that they're unhappy with.

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Speaker 21: Well, I can't see at the moment a threat of litigation,

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Speaker 21: but that is at the moment. Basically, there is a

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Speaker 21: new book coming out by Tom Bayo, who's a well

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Speaker 21: known royal watcher, and he claims that Queen Camiller told

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Speaker 21: a friend that Meghan had brainwashed Prince Harry, and there's

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Speaker 21: a lot more besides saying Meghan became a divisive agent

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Speaker 21: within the royal family and was seen by the Prince

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Speaker 21: of Wales William and Catherine as a real threat to

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Speaker 21: the future of the royal family. Now a spokesman for

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Speaker 21: Harry and Meghan has seen these excerpts they've started to

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Speaker 21: be published in the Times and have really come and

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Speaker 21: hitting back. They're saying that this author is deranged, conspiracy

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Speaker 21: in melodrama, and that it's all absolutely nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 21: This is someone who has publicly stated the monarchy in

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Speaker 21: fact depends on actually obliterating the Sussexes from our state

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Speaker 21: of life. And he, they say, Megan and Harry said

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Speaker 21: the language largely speaks for itself, saying that the author

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Speaker 21: had made a career out of constructing ever more elaborate

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Speaker 21: theories about people he does not know and has never met.

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Speaker 21: It's pretty excuriating, But I can see the book selling well.

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Speaker 21: Meghan and Harry remain pretty unpopular for many here in

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Speaker 21: the population.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for obvious Reasonskevin, good to talk to you. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you in a couple of days. Look after yourself.

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Speaker 2: Hither ninety one fuel here on Great Barrier is already

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Speaker 2: four dollars twenty two. Well, yeah, I suppose I was

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Speaker 2: going to say, that's the price you pay for living

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Speaker 2: in such a remote part of the world. And then

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Speaker 2: I thought about, well, isn't that just a bigger version

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand? Really seven away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Toople. See Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: We're loving what Mark had to say. Heather, the Freightways

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Speaker 2: Boss speaks a lot of common sense. I think we

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Speaker 2: took ourselves into half of the problems that we experienced.

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Speaker 2: It's time that we grew up. Colin, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that the ladies like to do

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Speaker 2: this is really the Oscars. One of the things the

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Speaker 2: ladies like to do at the Oscars is have a

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Speaker 2: look at the other lady's outfits and the bloke's outfits,

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Speaker 2: just to see what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously what the leading lady is wearing is always a thing.

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Speaker 2: So Jesse, my girl Jesse, were a lilac and pink

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Speaker 2: Chanell gown to accept her award, which was it was

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Speaker 2: lilac vertically lilac and then across the boobs just a

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Speaker 2: horizontal pink rose rose. I suppose we would, yeah, lilac,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's lilac cross the boobs and pink down. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: think of it like that anyway. Look, it's very very classic.

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Speaker 2: So she wore that. She looked lovely. Demi Moore. Demi

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Speaker 2: Moore looked like Moira Rose from Shit's Creek when she

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Speaker 2: was in the movie The Crows Have Eyes, you know,

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Speaker 2: where she had all the feathers and stuff. That's what

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Speaker 2: Demi looked like. I mean, she made she like, she

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Speaker 2: made it look beautiful. But that's what it was for

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Speaker 2: the blokes. What I'm telling, what I've been told, was

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Speaker 2: like the on trend thing to wear is brown jackets

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Speaker 2: with a brooch. So if you're thinking, oh, what should

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Speaker 2: I wear to my awards this year, I want to

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Speaker 2: look on trend like an Oscar winner. You want to

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Speaker 2: go brown? You want to get a brooch? Ants excellent,

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Speaker 2: good advice. He's thinking about that for his raid. He's like,

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Speaker 2: if only I.

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Speaker 13: Had those last Friday, Like, where do you go to

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Speaker 13: buy a brooch? It's just so much Okay, thank you

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Speaker 13: messy by Lolly Young to play us out tonight. So

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Speaker 13: this was a song that got quite burger over the

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Speaker 13: last couple of years, and it turns out one of

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Speaker 13: the people who got really into it was Keith Urban

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Speaker 13: the Country Superstars He's still an interview in the UK

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Speaker 13: and he says he is just an absolute fanboy of

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Speaker 13: Lol Youngho did the song maybe not since Amy Winehouse.

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Speaker 13: He said, have I heard a female artist thing with

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Speaker 13: so much truth? And he compared her album to twenty

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Speaker 13: one by Adele. So there you go on you're Keith.

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Speaker 13: It's nice to be a fan of things.

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Speaker 2: Isn't much. I'll tell you what, If a musician is

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Speaker 2: a fan, it's worth listening. So pump it up, thank

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Speaker 2: you and see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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