1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: marketing of. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Your home huddle this evening. Jack Tame, host of Q 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: and A Saturday Mornings, and Mark Sainsbury broadcast The Highlands kild. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 3: How you hear it? 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you, Jack. That dead, aren't they? 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 4: They are dead? The Commonwealth Games? Yeah or something else? Yeah, 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 4: I mean that's a really good point. 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 5: See as a sports fan, I will be honest, I 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 5: don't get remotely excited about the Commonwealth Games, but I 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 5: can see that from the NDC's perspective and high performance 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 5: sports perspective, it is really valuable to have an event 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 5: like the Commonwealth Games, which is kind of like really 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 5: many Olympics. We have athletes from different sports and different 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 5: backgrounds coming together in a village environment. I can see 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 5: why having that as preparation for the Olympics is really valuable. 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 5: But yeah, obviously the Commonwealth Games compared to the place 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 5: they held even twenty years ago in our lives, you know, 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 5: I think it's a pretty diminished role. 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: And you know, good on Scotland for pairing things back. 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 5: But be interesting to see whether or not a peered 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 5: back version of the event is enough to maintain sufficient 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 5: eyeballs to make a bible in the future. 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: I mean, because you compare it back, and you compare 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: it back, and you compare it back saying, and then 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: eventually it becomes like a crappy version of the Olympics 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: and what it already is, but then a crappy version 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: of World Athletics as well, and in the end you 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: just don't watch it anymore, do you. 30 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 6: Well it comes back to also what's the purpose. It's 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 6: a bit like sort of TV and Z and cutting 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 6: all the current. 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: Affairs and stuff. 34 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 6: You got to sort of say, well, what's your purpose 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 6: for being? So if the Commonwealth Games was the scene 36 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 6: of all about unity and bringing everyone together, you start 37 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 6: pairing it back, it becomes as Jackson, probably a very 38 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 6: expensive training exercise for the Olympics. 39 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think the days have gone on. 40 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 6: Guys at school when they had the seventy four Olympics 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 6: here in New Zealand, you know, oh there was such excitement, 42 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 6: but it was a different kind of event. And there's 43 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 6: World Championships, you know, don't forget every two years you've 44 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 6: got World champions up. There's a whole spectrum of different 45 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 6: sporting contests. Oh yeah, look at like Jack, I don't 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 6: think I'll be watching. 47 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: I think there are some sports that will suffer more 48 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 4: than others. Like for netball, for example, I can see 49 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 4: that the. 50 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 5: Huh no no, But I can see that the con 51 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 5: worst games are really important to a sport like netball, right, 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 5: whereas for you know, for some other sports that are 53 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 5: competed by more nations, Yeah, swimming and and you know 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 5: maybe athletics, perhaps they're not as important. But but you know, 55 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 5: but but you can see from an athlete's perspective that 56 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: there are very few occasions when they get together in 57 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 5: that village environment and you're kind of bunking down in 58 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 5: a room to someone who's from a different sport, and 59 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 5: you know, you've got the closing ceremony, that whole kind 60 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 5: of atmosphere. I can see that from a high performance perspective, 61 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 5: that is super valuable. 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, now, but that won't be happening of course in guys. 63 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: Go no, no no. 64 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: And also you were asking, I mean, the list of 65 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 3: the venues includes the connor Worth Arena and the Sir 66 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: Chris hoy Velodrome. So I think it's a pretty good guess. 67 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: We'll be on the on the list and Netball's okay. 68 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: I can confirm for the netball lovers, but I think 69 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: mountain biking might be a little stuffed. Listen, guys, we'll 70 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: come back and just to have a chat about the 71 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: mills closing and when where the public servants need to 72 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: get back into the office five days a week, sixteen 73 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: away from six. 74 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and 75 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 76 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: Right, we're back at the huddle, Jack Tame and Mark 77 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Sainsbury Sainsbury sains How do you feel about the mills closing? 78 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: Oh? 79 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 6: You know what the funny thing is that this Sorry, 80 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 6: this all aged me, but it comes back to nineteen 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 6: eighty four. You know, when the labor government came in 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 6: and Roger Nomison out. New Zealand's manufacturing base was absolutely decimated. 83 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 6: They had to start off again and there was the 84 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: similar sort of tour. I think you made the best 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 6: point earlier on when you said these are people's lives. 86 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 6: The prospects of finding somewhere else in that region to 87 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 6: work is not there, and you can't just suddenly say well, 88 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 6: go and work for Callahan innovation. Yeah, get onto the 89 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 6: new wave, which justice and associated point you're talking about, 90 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 6: going on to the knowledge based economy. We're coming back 91 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 6: in the budgets of things like Callahan that are the 92 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 6: ones are going to promote that. So look, I think 93 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 6: it is tragic, but are we surprised sadly probably not. 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: No, no, and Jack, the point I was trying to 95 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: make is that the d industrialization of New Zealand sounds 96 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: like something is quite scary, but actually, if you want 97 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: to have a sophisticated economy, this is what happens. 98 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. 99 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 5: This is I think this is going to be one 100 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 5: of the biggest challenge for challenges for developed economies and 101 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: decades to come. And I think actually we've already seen 102 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 5: a bit of whiplash from this when you think about, 103 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: you know, some of the political events of the last 104 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 5: few years in the US and the UK and what 105 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 5: the industrialization has actually meant for those economies. You know, 106 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 5: I think we really need to start having much broader 107 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: public conversations about the future of work, not just for 108 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: people who are fortunate to benefit from lots of educational opportunities, 109 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 5: but for people who are mid career, who are perhaps 110 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 5: working from moving from blue collar industrial type jobs when 111 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 5: those jobs aren't going to exist in the fest and 112 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 5: and it's a it is a massive challenge for economies 113 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 5: around the world, especially in an age of you know, 114 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 5: of free trade. But I reckon, this is this is 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 5: very sadly a sign of the times, but probably one 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 5: that is going to be repeated time and time again 117 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 5: in the coming years, and we need to get onto 118 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 5: doing something. 119 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 120 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: I think you made a very good point there, Jack, 121 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: that I might actually come back to later on. Hey 122 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: saying soo, So, I reckon it's high time that we 123 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: actually tell the public servants right, you're working five days 124 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: a week in the office. It's nonsense. It three days 125 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: a week's got to stop. 126 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: What do you think it'd be great for Wellington? I 127 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: mean the number of businesses. 128 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 6: I mean we keep seeing all these hospitality and food 129 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 6: business Do you imagine you set up your sort of 130 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 6: coffee bar or whatever, and suddenly you know, huge phrase 131 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 6: of people simply you're not coming into the office. 132 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: And then of course, I mean this is this is 133 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: on top of all the retrenchment and redundancies. It's not great. 134 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 6: So get them back into the office, stimulate the local economy. 135 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and plus no one believes Jack that they're actually 136 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: working when they're at the afternoon drink. He's on a Thursday. 137 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: This is the thing. 138 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 5: So I find it really hard to get an absolutely 139 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 5: clear measure on productivity. I think what's becoming increasingly clear though, 140 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 5: is neither the open plan office one hundred percent of 141 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 5: the time or the working from home one hundred percent 142 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 5: of the time are actually in the interest of maximum productivity. 143 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 5: And I just speak from personal experience here, like I 144 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 5: find that if I go to the office three or 145 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: four days a week, but then I'm able to have 146 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 5: one day at home where I'm out of that open 147 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 5: office environment where I don't have people constantly walking up 148 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: and interrupting me, it's the perfect blend. 149 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: I'm really productive that way. And I just wonder if 150 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 4: some sort of a. 151 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 5: Shift towards a model whereby maybe not every day at home, 152 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 5: but maybe one day at home or an afternoon at 153 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: home a week for productivity's sake is everyone's interest. 154 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so Jack makes a fair point saying so 155 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: that we don't have any idea about productivity. But if 156 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: you have one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon, 157 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 2: saying that's it. You're back in the office. That should 158 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: tell you that they know this is not working. 159 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, with a great history and work is right, it's 160 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: because Amazon. Look, it depends what you're doing. If you're 161 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: a firefighter, you can't work from home, you know. 162 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 6: But if you're a call center operator and you can 163 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 6: do that from home and you've got kids to look after, 164 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 6: and that works out, that can work out really really well. 165 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 6: I think for us, all of us, we all enjoy 166 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 6: the skin. Meet us who used to get in an 167 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 6: office and talking to other people. And if you're working 168 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 6: on a story other people's perspectives, you don't get that. 169 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: When you're at home. You miss all that stuff and 170 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: one of the nuance. So I like that. 171 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 6: But it really does depend on what you're doing. And 172 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 6: the problem is they've opened they pulled the cork out, 173 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 6: haven't they. People people have tasted working for home with Gay. Well, 174 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 6: I'm not going to put that into my contract. 175 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to. They want to sit at home 176 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: and bake a cast or Jack. Why does the Prime 177 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: Minister hate you? 178 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: Well? 179 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: Why does he want to come on your show? 180 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 4: Jack? 181 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: Does he not like going on Q and A. 182 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: I don't know. 183 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 184 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: As I said the other day on Q and A, 185 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 4: we've requested him many times. 186 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: I know he's a busy man. We've tried to work 187 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 5: in with that busy schedule. But at least compared to 188 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 5: various predecessors from both national and labor, so far, he 189 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 5: hasn't appeared as frequently. He hasn't actually appeared in more 190 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 5: than a year. He hasn't appeared since he's been Prime minister. 191 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 5: And I think, I don't know. I think there's democratic 192 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: value in putting questions in a long form setting to 193 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 5: our elected officials, and that concludes the prime MINSI. 194 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: It's a sign of the times, A saying Zoe like, 195 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: it's us catching up with the rest of the world. 196 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: You had just into all of a sudden cut right 197 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: back on what she wanted to do. Didn't want to 198 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: go on news. Tom said, be You've got act not 199 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: wanting to go on another radio station. You've got prime 200 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: ministers not wanting to go on long form interviews. It 201 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: just feels like, yeah, it's getting a little partisan, isn't it. 202 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 6: Well, look, I mean it's it's their short people, and 203 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 6: true you can be forced, you know, open up with 204 00:08:59,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 6: the media. 205 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: Can't be forced to come on. But I think sometimes 206 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: it's going to be to their detriment, you know. 207 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 6: I mean they must make a calcin say like well 208 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 6: that you know, won't go on R and Z your 209 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 6: Morning Report because they think it's sort of you know, 210 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 6: to whatever. 211 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: I think it's treated badly. Yeah, but they probably calculate 212 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: that as a as a as a political plus for them. 213 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 214 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: I think it's because they accused them once of eugenics, 215 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: and I feel like i'd be pretty cross about that too, 216 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: but I don't know if i'd cotally ban them anyway. Listen, guys, 217 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: thank you appreciated. That's Jack Tame, Mark Sainsbury Huddle this 218 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: evening seven away from six. 219 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 220 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 221 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio