1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: So some of the media got their wish yesterday as 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: New Zealand first lined up to tell the world they 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: will campaign on flipping the new regulatory Standards law. There's 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: nothing like a perceived fissure in a coalition to light 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: the fire under a journal of course. Anyway, Winston Peters 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: is with us. Very good morning to you. 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Good morning. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Are you stirring? 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: No? I tell you what I was asked a question, 10 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: And here's the point. When that letization came in twenty 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: twenty two, it had a referendum with it, that is, 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: it'd be passed but subject to a public referendum, and 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: we had a feeling that, well a national actor, that 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: at least they'll go back to that. What didn't happen 15 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: and happened to be overseas and as a consequence, we 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: didn't make as clear as we should have that we 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: would vote for it. But we agree to disagree. Right, 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: it never changed on that. 19 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, and I accept that. I did watch 20 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: some comments on the House from Casey Costello who said, 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: you've got no qualms of recommending it to the House. 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Does that seem at odds with what you see yesterday? 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: Yes, it does. But that point was Look, I a 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: season at the time, forget where in the world, and 25 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: that's sometimes happens. We at the heck up. We admit 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 2: that wasn't case his fault, but I've been there. I said, 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: don't bother to speak on an apartment and say, look, 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: we disagree with this, but we're going to vote for 29 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: what is part of the college agreements. 30 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So can I also clarify that in campaigning against it, 31 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: because it's not what you wanted and you've been consistent 32 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: that it's not a bottom line and you're not going 33 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: to dine the ditch on it or is it a 34 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: bottom line? 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: No, it's it's not a bottom line because I tell 36 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: you what we used to have. Doug Head, a colleague 37 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: of mine who I came into Parliament with way back 38 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: in seventy eight. The head of the Regulation of your 39 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: Committee was a serious lawyer and it was a parliament 40 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: responsibility and he was responsible to the pax Paths and 41 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: the voters of this country. To get a separate group, 42 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: it's just wrong. Look, twenty seven thousand submissions came in 43 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: saying nothing that they weren't off on the left. A 44 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: lot of them have planned common sense lawyers. 45 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get Look, I get all that you're you're 46 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: entitled a campaign. Here's my concern is that is that 47 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: you know what's going on here is that there's to 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: the media just are whitting their pencil of excitement over 49 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: the fact that your coalition's falling apart headline and stuff 50 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: this morning. Is the coalition crumbling? I mean you don't 51 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: want that, do you? 52 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 2: Of course not. I mean I made the point the 53 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: number one responsibility with God a matter of our difference, 54 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: is to provide a stable government to the next election, 55 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: and then stable government after that and after that that's 56 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: our responsibility. That's what the product want. But these Gennists 57 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: are celebrating and shouting, all shouting at once, and I 58 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: feel like saying, you know, I'm just discussed by the 59 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: fact that when I first came to Parliament, people in 60 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: the press gallery had been around fifteen twenty years and 61 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: the top of the class best to genis where now 62 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: you've got a whold of journeys that don't what yesterday 63 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: look like. 64 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: So we can also can we to a degree? And 65 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to cause trouble here, but Seymore shouldn't 66 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: have said what he said. Either should he because you're 67 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: not going labor. 68 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why if you would say that. The 69 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: real point is I met as clear as daylight that 70 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: having been betrayed and stabed in the back and lied 71 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: to and misled or the product being misled, never trust Sepkins. 72 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: That's the end of it. I've mete it very clear. 73 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to go on my whole career, 74 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: every meeting getting up with a question, who are you 75 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: going to go? If this is the real question of askings, 76 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: they don't ask themselves who's going to go with us? Yeah, 77 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: that's the real listue coming on twenty twenty six. 78 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Well, that's fine, that's fine, But my concern, my overarching concern, 79 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: is that we are in desperate need of cohesive government 80 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: who are turning this country around and providing us with 81 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the opportunities that we once enjoyed. And the more time 82 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: we spend on the frippery and the headline clickbait nonsense, 83 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: the less time and energy goes into the main job. 84 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 85 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: That's fair enough, that's fair enough. But we're do journists, 86 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: ask you an honest question, and in this strange and 87 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: none of the other people haven't bothered what we care, we think, 88 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: but what do journals ask you? An honest question there 89 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: titled to an answer, and I quietly said, look, we 90 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: didn't like this here we're campaign against the next lesson. 91 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: In the meantime, it stands we've all got our right 92 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: to lay out our manifesto, surely, But no, these journalists 93 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: are just screaming from the rooftop because I think they 94 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: might see a schism that's artificially being created. 95 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: Well exactly. Well, that's my other concern about a MMP. 96 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: It seems odd that after thirty years, we still don't 97 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: understand that you've got to delineate and differentiate yourself from national, 98 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: from act or from anyone else you Otherwise, what's the 99 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: point of being a party? 100 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: Yes, but around the rest of the world they understand 101 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: that the medium understand it. But an assuming they have 102 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: been abs to abdurate stubborn obs in the extreme as 103 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: to not telling the public outworks. We're in the market 104 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: share business. But we get on as a country and 105 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: we get on as a democracy. 106 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: Right, So for the record, you guys as a government 107 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: as a coalition are getting on getting on fine. And 108 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: there is nothing to see here. Is that fair? 109 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: That's precisely the position. But more importantly, we always knew 110 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: and we said so that twenty twenty three was a 111 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: two election victory, that we had a win in twenty 112 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: twenty six because the country was on the cusp of 113 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: Banilla Millanma another Venezuela. And I'm telling it that's exactly 114 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: where it was going to go if these people we 115 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: got back in have a good hard look across the house. 116 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: Please don't tell me you can see even half a 117 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: cabinet over there. 118 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: So where are we at with lux and getting rolled 119 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: and Bishop being the new leader before Christmas? 120 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: Now you see this? Is that the kind of thing 121 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 2: that what am I doing on this thing? Talking about 122 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: the National Party leadership? Well, you're talking about the primary leadership. First. 123 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: It would material change your relationship a bishop turned up 124 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: to be the leader of the National Party, wouldn't it. 125 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: But look it's the National Party leadership and it's over 126 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: to them after they're the question becomes what do other 127 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: people think of that? But they're not going to get 128 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: me as I would love to say, Oh, Winston Peters 129 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: have been involved in the National Party leadership question. No 130 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm not. You're not going to get me or any 131 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: of my colleagues involved in that. We get on do 132 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: our job properly, and. 133 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Are you doing your job properly? Do you think? 134 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 2: Well, if you can find anybody else who's doing the hours, 135 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: or rather putting the time and getting the results that 136 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: we have, please tell me. But I just say this 137 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: country two point three but in dolls, and I had 138 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: half the media scare me out trying to make out 139 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: that it wasn't that. And I thought, there's Heather Simpsons, 140 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: he's pretty tough. They've got Chris McKenzie hither there I 141 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: mean other people there, all the on the committee of 142 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: people who got this together a fairy holdings and there 143 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: they're saying that the people who gave that information must 144 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: be lying. This is extraordinary stuff. These people are so negative. 145 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: I can see why the mainstream ministry is collapsing in media. 146 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: The reference I was asking was the ipsoce can you 147 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: explain how it is? And this is not a criticism 148 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: because I can't explain it. How is it that the 149 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: bulk of New Zealanders don't perceive labor as being in 150 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: charge of a number of policies when they've got no 151 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: policies and they haven't done anything apart from bug of 152 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: the country. How is it a poll comes up with 153 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: life and why are you not getting more credit for 154 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: what you're doing? 155 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: Well? Some of us are, but here's the point, and 156 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: that doesn't help. But the reility is, yes, it is. 157 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't mind you. Some of these poles are seriously 158 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: worry about. But it's this. Politics is a complex business. 159 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: You've got to understand. You've got to have a neck. 160 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to read the room and 161 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: hear the room. That's all I'm gonna say. 162 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay, appreciate your time, have a good weekend, have a 163 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: good trip to China. Winston Peters there was twice this week, 164 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: wasn't weird? I'm on you, it's virtually irregular. For more 165 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks 166 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 167 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.