1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Now David Seymour has announced his first big regulation review 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and it's the early childhood sector, which frankly needs it. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: I think we would all agree. The review will include education, 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: health safety, child protection, food safety, buildings and workplaces, but 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not going to look at funding levels, and the 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Early Childhood Council has already welcomed it, saying the review 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: is a once in a generation chance to refocus early 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: childhood education. Now Minister for Regulation is David Seymour. Hi, David, Hey, 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: what are you trying to fix. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 2: The constant issues faced by people just trying to run 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: under early childhood education center and help young the youngest 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: New Zealanders reach their potential. Now, some of the crazier examples. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: You know, a school was told it needed to include 14 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: an apple tree in itself and safety plan in case 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: an apple fell on a child. And I just make 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: the point that Isaac Newton could not have gone to 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: that school because it'd never have discovered gravity that way. 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: But more generally, about years and years of elector at 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: MP visiting centers in early childhood. I remember about five 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: years ago, has told me we have to comply with 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: three hundred and three regulations before we can open our door. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: It's driving them mad, it's driving up costs, and it's 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: actually diluting their focus on the safety and happiness and 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: learning of the children. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: David, the example that you just cited about the apple tree, 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: that sounds like you're going to have to rework the 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Health and Safety Act potentially though. 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And the way that these sector 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: reviews workers, first of all, are focused on the victims 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: as I like to call them, or the regulated party, 31 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: which in this case is the center operators. We ask 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: them what is harming them, and their answers may lead 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: us to question will other than those made by the 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: Ministry of Education and the Education Review Office. And then 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: it's got to start working out how feasible it is 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: to change these things. You know, obviously you could end 37 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: up with a case to change employment law, health and 38 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: safety law, just about every law on the face of 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: the earth. So there will be a boundary, but nothing 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: is off the table at the beginning. 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Right, So you're up for changing something as big as 42 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the Health and Safety Law, which by the way, is 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: a dog. 44 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, the good news about that is that Brookman, Golden 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: ex Deputy and also the Minister for workplace relations is 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: setting about doing exactly that, and I don't know where 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: she'll get to, but it certainly seems that we have 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: the worst of all worlds with enormous fear of work 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: safe pervading our workplace as in our national psyche, and 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: yet the number of people that don't come home is 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: still too high. 52 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: You're too right, listen. So in the end, if you 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: are able to take out a whole bunch of this regulation, 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: it ultimately should bring down the cost either for the 55 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: center or for parents. 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely and fundamentally, we want people to spend less 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: time engaged in red glitary activity which may or may 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: not be that useful, in more time on their core business, 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: which in this case is helping the youngest New Zealanders 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: reach their potential. 61 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: How long do you reckon this is going to take? 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: It sounds like a big task. 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: Six months to go out and actually listen to the 64 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: people involved and consider what they're saying. At the end 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: of this year presents a set of proposals to cabinet, 66 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: with the onus on cabinet to accept them or say 67 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: why not, and then another six months to implement the 68 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: changes proposed. 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: How are you finding being the acting Prime Minister. 70 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: Look, it's awfully like normal life, to be honest, we 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: just try to get through. Not a huge amount has 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: changed and attempts. 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: To go a bit rogue while everybody else is out 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: of the country, all the handbreaks on your plans. 75 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I thought about it, but I also 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: love what this government's delivering. We've never had a change 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: of government where the new government has been this aggressive 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: of actually making change. You know, normally they come and 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: don't change much. So in a way, I don't think 80 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: that much would change if I was. I'm pretty proud 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: of how much influenceerhaps I had on the government anyway. 82 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: Right, David, Hey, thank you very much, appreciate your time 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: and best of lucky that David Seymour, Minister for Regulation. 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 85 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 86 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.