1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Brian Bridge. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 2: Go to Gevin gray Are UK europe correspondent, Gavin good evening. 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good evening. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: They're ron. 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: So we've got talks going on about the European Court 6 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: of Human Rights on migration. 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so the Conservatives, the second biggest party, the party 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: of opposition here and Reform UK leading the last one 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: hundred opinion polls with Nigel Farage at the helm, are 10 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: both saying that they would leave the Convention, the European 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: Court of Human Rights Convention if they want the next election. 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: So the British government very keen to look at this 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: as well, because they say the European Court of Human 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: Rights and these international agreements do need to be updated 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: and modernized. Why well, because quite simply, the international human 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: rights laws are giving people the opportunity and excuse to 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: stay in the UK when frankly, most people I think 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: we're using their logics, say they have no right to 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: stay in the UK. There is a particular clause in 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: there where they say it's a right to life, a 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: right to a family life. Where somebody said, all, well, 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a girlfriend and she's living in 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the UK, so I should be able to stay in 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: the UK as well, and that's really irritated things. I 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: think it's made the removal of the illegal migrants here 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: much much more difficult as they go to law, supported 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: by of course the UK taxpayer for their funds, their 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: legal fees, and so critics say that the European Court 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: of Human Rights is getting in the way of removing 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: more illegal migrants. Supporters those say the claims about the 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: role in migration are exaggerated and it should not be 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: moved or removed and shouldn't be altered. But it is 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: nevertheless seventy five years old, and many are saying, including 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: our own leader, Secure Starmer, and the leaders of Italy 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: and Denmark, saying it is old, it is outdated, it 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: needs updating. 37 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Isn't it fascinating because this is a labor Prime Minister 38 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: of the UK that we're talking about here, and he's 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: talking about watering down human rights. 40 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: You know. 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: So does Trump have a point? Does Trump have a 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: point on migration that Europe is a bit weak? 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: Well? I think his most recent comments coming out saying 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: that the Europe is decaying and the leaders are weak 45 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: because they've allowed uncontrolled migration to take the changes that 46 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: are happening in these countries. I think a lot of 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: people will support what he's saying because they consider that 48 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: we don't know who lots of these people coming into 49 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: the country. Are the headlines our full day in day 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: out here in the UK and other European countries of 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: migrants who have been waiting for their asylum application to 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: be processed, then in court for committing some pretty nasty offenses. 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: Just in the last forty eight hours I've read of 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I think three separate cases where migrants who are here 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: illegally and waiting for their decision have committed rape and 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: are offenses. One has to remember, of course, that these 57 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: are the ones that make the headline. Many tens of 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: thousands come across and are not doing this here for 59 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: a better way of life. But I think the US 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: President's comments that the UK is changing and changing irretrievably 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: have hit home and do resonate with some people here 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: in the UK. 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Now a sperm donor who unknowingly harbored a genetic mutation. 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: This is all kicking off the story what's going on here? 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: Will explain it to us given well. 66 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: Basically, there was a donor, an anonymous man who was 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: paid to donate as a student around two thousand and five. 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: His sperm has then been used by women for around 69 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: seventeen years and it's thought fathered at least one hundred 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: and ninety seven children, so round about two hundred at 71 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: the very minimum. Now at the time, he's healthy and 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: he passed the donor screening checks. However, the DNA in 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: some of his cells mutated before he was born, and 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: that it's damaged a gene called TP fifty three, and 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: that is a crucial in preventing the body's cells turning cancerous. 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: So although most of the donor's body does not contain 77 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: this dangerous form of TP fifty three, up to a 78 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: fifth of his sperm do, and any children made from 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: the affected sperm will have the mutation in every cell 80 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: of their body. And the investigation among fourteen public sector 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: broadcasters in the European Union has found that some of 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: his children have already died. Now, there are rules in 83 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: the UK about how many children can be born from 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: one particular donor, but in other countries there aren't. And 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: it really is fearful that out of the twenty three 86 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: that they've discovered the children had been ten had been 87 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: diagnosed with cancer, so some awful news. Those in charge 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: of the center say investigations are underwearing sympathies with the families, 89 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: but I think this obviously shows some of the dangers 90 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: of the screening of some of the dispermed donors, at 91 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: least lacking in this particular moment. 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: It's awful because it's presumably he knows all about this 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: and so, but he did nothing wrong and from the 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: get go right. So that's a that's a terrible situation 95 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: to be in. Yeah, Kevin, thank you for that. 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