1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:15,147 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B. There now three outs advantage 3 00:00:15,187 --> 00:00:22,907 Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. Tak Yaho vaccinating ten rampling. Oh he 4 00:00:22,987 --> 00:00:26,227 Speaker 1: gets through two, three, four, he's a capital meters out. 5 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:28,507 Speaker 1: He's a meter out. Roscott Any who. 6 00:00:30,827 --> 00:00:31,707 Speaker 2: Save your row? 7 00:00:32,187 --> 00:00:32,387 Speaker 1: Ah? 8 00:00:32,507 --> 00:00:35,307 Speaker 3: Minty and Steve Gordon loving it there in Hamilton last night? 9 00:00:35,347 --> 00:00:37,187 Speaker 3: It was so where it wasn't it tries in the 10 00:00:37,187 --> 00:00:39,907 Speaker 3: final ten minutes to hook a summer Saune Tokiajo and 11 00:00:39,987 --> 00:00:43,027 Speaker 3: half bag Xavier Row getting the Chiefs across the line 12 00:00:43,067 --> 00:00:46,227 Speaker 3: after the score was locked at ten all at halftime. 13 00:00:46,427 --> 00:00:49,707 Speaker 3: Chiefs assistant coach Roger Randall is with us here on 14 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:51,867 Speaker 3: Weekend Sport. Thanks for joining us, Roger. Is it any 15 00:00:51,907 --> 00:00:54,627 Speaker 3: better down there today in Hamilton? Weather wise? 16 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:55,027 Speaker 1: Mate? 17 00:00:55,507 --> 00:00:59,267 Speaker 2: Pretty much was raining all from Thursday night or yesterday 18 00:00:59,467 --> 00:01:02,707 Speaker 2: until to start the kick offense. He's a blue sky 19 00:01:02,747 --> 00:01:03,227 Speaker 2: at the moment. 20 00:01:05,507 --> 00:01:07,947 Speaker 3: The irony, the irony. How much did the weather I 21 00:01:07,987 --> 00:01:10,387 Speaker 3: mean it looked terrible on TV. How much did the 22 00:01:10,427 --> 00:01:12,107 Speaker 3: conditions affect your game plan? 23 00:01:13,587 --> 00:01:16,867 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, both teams modified the game plan. Well, we 24 00:01:16,947 --> 00:01:19,307 Speaker 2: knew was going to be wet. I think midweek we 25 00:01:21,307 --> 00:01:24,107 Speaker 2: saw what was going to happen with the weather. You know, 26 00:01:24,147 --> 00:01:27,307 Speaker 2: you make adjustments, but it's still really really difficult. Hadcoton 27 00:01:27,387 --> 00:01:31,987 Speaker 2: raiser before our game, so the field held that pretty well. 28 00:01:33,587 --> 00:01:37,307 Speaker 2: But she's never going to be a pretty game. But 29 00:01:37,307 --> 00:01:39,667 Speaker 2: but we got the job done with. 30 00:01:39,707 --> 00:01:43,147 Speaker 3: Ball in hand. It must obviously it changes things completely. 31 00:01:43,227 --> 00:01:46,307 Speaker 3: So when you're when you're devising your attacking strategies and 32 00:01:46,347 --> 00:01:48,147 Speaker 3: you you know, you look at the forecast and you say, man, 33 00:01:48,187 --> 00:01:50,667 Speaker 3: it's going to absolutely team down. How much does that 34 00:01:50,747 --> 00:01:52,347 Speaker 3: change the way you put your attack together. 35 00:01:54,787 --> 00:01:57,947 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have to have a pretty good set piece, 36 00:01:59,507 --> 00:02:02,587 Speaker 2: and scrum was going really rough. Our line out I 37 00:02:02,667 --> 00:02:04,827 Speaker 2: had a few wobbles in the first half, I think 38 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:07,667 Speaker 2: both both teams, and then the second half come good. 39 00:02:09,067 --> 00:02:12,347 Speaker 2: Having that set piece, carrying clean and discipline. You know, 40 00:02:12,387 --> 00:02:15,067 Speaker 2: went in the year with some of the contestables. So 41 00:02:15,387 --> 00:02:19,227 Speaker 2: when we were able to control that, you know, we 42 00:02:19,267 --> 00:02:22,227 Speaker 2: were able to a bit of pressure. But when we weren't, 43 00:02:22,907 --> 00:02:26,067 Speaker 2: that gave them entries into our twenty two and it 44 00:02:26,187 --> 00:02:27,467 Speaker 2: made difficult for ourselves. 45 00:02:27,667 --> 00:02:29,827 Speaker 3: The defense of the rolling mall. Though they're rolling mall, 46 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:32,627 Speaker 3: I mean your defense all that was was pretty good. 47 00:02:33,227 --> 00:02:36,067 Speaker 3: How pleasing. Was it that you were able to withstand 48 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:37,627 Speaker 3: that kind of pressure that they were putting on you. 49 00:02:39,547 --> 00:02:43,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, John O Gibson the before, he's done a 50 00:02:43,627 --> 00:02:48,467 Speaker 2: great job there. Yeah, like you said, they haven't kicked 51 00:02:48,507 --> 00:02:51,467 Speaker 2: a goal penalty goal this year any of their game, 52 00:02:51,587 --> 00:02:55,787 Speaker 2: so they often kept to the sideline and give them 53 00:02:55,787 --> 00:02:58,747 Speaker 2: a nudge and back to their scrums. So they've come 54 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:04,907 Speaker 2: to Hamilton with a pretty pretty uh obvious game plan 55 00:03:05,027 --> 00:03:08,147 Speaker 2: and game play. That's that's really to them. And yeah, 56 00:03:08,507 --> 00:03:11,187 Speaker 2: for the FOURDS to withstand that was pleasing. 57 00:03:11,787 --> 00:03:15,027 Speaker 3: Early in the second half, the run and near trif 58 00:03:15,107 --> 00:03:18,427 Speaker 3: for Harry McLaughlin Phillips. Did you think he'd got that 59 00:03:18,507 --> 00:03:19,267 Speaker 3: down at first look? 60 00:03:21,867 --> 00:03:25,747 Speaker 2: No, no, we thought it had knocked on rolled out 61 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:29,307 Speaker 2: of his because we have about five angles up at 62 00:03:29,347 --> 00:03:31,867 Speaker 2: our box, so we're just waiting for them to go 63 00:03:31,947 --> 00:03:35,267 Speaker 2: to the view five. We could see the five rolls out. 64 00:03:35,307 --> 00:03:39,027 Speaker 2: But yeah, I was touch and go there when we 65 00:03:39,027 --> 00:03:42,547 Speaker 2: were listening to the compos between the TMO and in 66 00:03:42,587 --> 00:03:43,147 Speaker 2: the referee. 67 00:03:43,307 --> 00:03:45,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's definitely he hasn't got it down, 68 00:03:45,667 --> 00:03:48,427 Speaker 3: but I mean you look at it and yeah, I 69 00:03:48,507 --> 00:03:50,227 Speaker 3: can see why they took so long. But at least 70 00:03:50,267 --> 00:03:52,707 Speaker 3: they reached the right decision and then you know you 71 00:03:53,027 --> 00:03:55,707 Speaker 3: pulled away at the end thirteen ten ahead. I think 72 00:03:55,747 --> 00:03:58,187 Speaker 3: as we reached the seventy minute mark, what do you 73 00:03:58,227 --> 00:03:59,867 Speaker 3: think gave you the ability to pull away with those 74 00:03:59,867 --> 00:04:00,547 Speaker 3: two late tries? 75 00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:05,627 Speaker 2: Probably just going back toward I was talking about before 76 00:04:05,627 --> 00:04:11,267 Speaker 2: getting our set pace right. Our discipline was good. We're 77 00:04:11,307 --> 00:04:13,627 Speaker 2: getting now our catching our high balls, and then we're 78 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:17,107 Speaker 2: able to exactly some pressure that our kick game into 79 00:04:17,187 --> 00:04:19,667 Speaker 2: the twenty two. Josh Jacob come on and got a 80 00:04:19,707 --> 00:04:25,347 Speaker 2: fifty twenty two. So that was that was outstanding, And yeah, 81 00:04:25,467 --> 00:04:28,627 Speaker 2: got our set piece sorted and we're able to get 82 00:04:28,627 --> 00:04:32,187 Speaker 2: the big funny over for one of the more tries 83 00:04:32,227 --> 00:04:35,507 Speaker 2: and the xavier just through the amount of pressure we 84 00:04:35,547 --> 00:04:39,427 Speaker 2: put in put them through in the twenty two come 85 00:04:39,507 --> 00:04:41,587 Speaker 2: up with those couple of tries you. 86 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:44,307 Speaker 3: Mentioned Josh Jacob there. How have you assisted his development 87 00:04:44,507 --> 00:04:44,987 Speaker 3: this year? 88 00:04:46,187 --> 00:04:50,027 Speaker 2: Oh? Outstanding. He's he's probably had more Super games than 89 00:04:50,027 --> 00:04:53,507 Speaker 2: his NBC now, so he's been in the twenty three 90 00:04:53,547 --> 00:04:59,787 Speaker 2: every week and said about four or five starts come 91 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:02,707 Speaker 2: on at critical times last twenty minutes to ten and 92 00:05:02,787 --> 00:05:06,307 Speaker 2: they made some beat to fifteen. So even just watching 93 00:05:06,467 --> 00:05:10,587 Speaker 2: Damien and how he runs a week and has been 94 00:05:10,587 --> 00:05:16,027 Speaker 2: outstanding for us as a young, a young player. You know, 95 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:23,347 Speaker 2: that's that's been trusting to a super a super rugby 96 00:05:23,347 --> 00:05:25,667 Speaker 2: team to lead them around the field. Like I said, 97 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:30,707 Speaker 2: without a hell of a lot of EBC experience, He's 98 00:05:30,787 --> 00:05:33,187 Speaker 2: doing a great job at the moment. He's only going 99 00:05:33,187 --> 00:05:33,667 Speaker 2: to get better. 100 00:05:33,787 --> 00:05:36,107 Speaker 3: He must have ever been quite a levelhead as well, Roger, 101 00:05:36,147 --> 00:05:38,107 Speaker 3: because a lot of guys, I mean, everybody wants to 102 00:05:38,107 --> 00:05:40,747 Speaker 3: play right and he did for the first three games 103 00:05:40,747 --> 00:05:43,587 Speaker 3: while Sean Stevenson was away and Damien was playing fullback. 104 00:05:43,627 --> 00:05:45,907 Speaker 3: But but you know, and now that Damien McKinzie has 105 00:05:45,907 --> 00:05:49,387 Speaker 3: just signed a new four year deal, Josh Jacob must 106 00:05:49,387 --> 00:05:52,227 Speaker 3: have a you know, a pretty good outlook on it all, thinking, okay, 107 00:05:52,227 --> 00:05:54,787 Speaker 3: well I'll stay and I'll benefit from being here, even 108 00:05:54,867 --> 00:05:57,027 Speaker 3: if it is behind Damien McKenzie. 109 00:05:59,427 --> 00:06:01,947 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, we're both in the twenty three 110 00:06:02,027 --> 00:06:05,427 Speaker 2: and give him some real good game time. So I 111 00:06:05,667 --> 00:06:09,787 Speaker 2: Josh is he's learning a lot, and he's with his 112 00:06:09,867 --> 00:06:13,827 Speaker 2: own spin on things. He's he's got some different attributes 113 00:06:13,867 --> 00:06:16,227 Speaker 2: to Damon as well, which are really beneficial for us. 114 00:06:16,267 --> 00:06:18,947 Speaker 2: So he's going good guns. We love him. 115 00:06:19,027 --> 00:06:21,547 Speaker 3: Sean Stevenson one hundred games for the Chiefs. Can you 116 00:06:21,787 --> 00:06:24,267 Speaker 3: articulate his contribution to to your side? 117 00:06:25,947 --> 00:06:28,147 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's not many people will been able to 118 00:06:28,147 --> 00:06:33,107 Speaker 2: do that. So yeah, come back from Japan and get 119 00:06:33,147 --> 00:06:35,227 Speaker 2: those you know, those last three or four games that 120 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:38,067 Speaker 2: he was after and you know, hopefully put it in 121 00:06:38,187 --> 00:06:41,187 Speaker 2: the season. Well, but reflects back on the last ten years, 122 00:06:41,187 --> 00:06:44,187 Speaker 2: he's you know how much he's grown. I guess he's 123 00:06:44,227 --> 00:06:49,227 Speaker 2: a person as well, seen that he's quite enigmatic. I 124 00:06:49,267 --> 00:06:53,827 Speaker 2: guess during the during that that career where Bishal really 125 00:06:53,907 --> 00:06:56,147 Speaker 2: doores do some some really great stuff and got in 126 00:06:56,267 --> 00:06:58,387 Speaker 2: and out of the team. But like in the last 127 00:06:58,387 --> 00:07:00,707 Speaker 2: three or four years, the last three years he's really 128 00:07:02,227 --> 00:07:06,307 Speaker 2: just owned his position and probably one of our first 129 00:07:06,387 --> 00:07:11,947 Speaker 2: specks packed each week's stuff because of his consistency giving 130 00:07:11,987 --> 00:07:15,267 Speaker 2: consistent game time which helps them, you know, showcase the 131 00:07:15,307 --> 00:07:17,667 Speaker 2: things he's really really good at, which is attacking ability. 132 00:07:17,747 --> 00:07:21,027 Speaker 2: So you know, he's a big, big cog for us. 133 00:07:21,027 --> 00:07:24,667 Speaker 3: No doubt. And interesting situation with obviously Clayton McMillan, you 134 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:26,467 Speaker 3: know leaving at the end of the season that was 135 00:07:26,507 --> 00:07:29,267 Speaker 3: telegraphed a long way out. How has that changed things 136 00:07:29,907 --> 00:07:33,147 Speaker 3: in the coaching group or has it not? 137 00:07:33,147 --> 00:07:36,427 Speaker 2: Not really other than him having to shot more copies. 138 00:07:36,067 --> 00:07:38,147 Speaker 3: For the coaches fair enough, fair enough? 139 00:07:39,187 --> 00:07:43,667 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's it's the au and then that's 140 00:07:45,627 --> 00:07:49,307 Speaker 2: did that's what we're doing. So but a couple of 141 00:07:50,227 --> 00:07:53,827 Speaker 2: jokes generally from me towards them, it's it's everybody's just 142 00:07:53,827 --> 00:07:57,387 Speaker 2: pretty focused about getting the job done. He's been awesome, 143 00:07:57,587 --> 00:08:00,147 Speaker 2: like he's you know, he's making sure he keeps it 144 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:03,867 Speaker 2: on track as well. So you know, these players that 145 00:08:04,027 --> 00:08:07,747 Speaker 2: will go off contract in a year and coaches as well, 146 00:08:08,987 --> 00:08:11,307 Speaker 2: part of the business. And we've got a job to do. 147 00:08:11,267 --> 00:08:13,627 Speaker 3: This year and just back to the team to finish. 148 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:15,907 Speaker 3: I mean, this feels like last year. It feels like 149 00:08:15,947 --> 00:08:18,467 Speaker 3: the year before. You made it to the Grand Final 150 00:08:18,507 --> 00:08:21,067 Speaker 3: both times without being able to take that final step. 151 00:08:21,107 --> 00:08:23,027 Speaker 3: Do you I don't know. Do you have to lose 152 00:08:23,067 --> 00:08:25,067 Speaker 3: a couple to win one? Is that is that accurate? 153 00:08:25,067 --> 00:08:27,467 Speaker 3: Do you feel in a better shape this time around? 154 00:08:27,467 --> 00:08:28,307 Speaker 3: Can you win this thing? 155 00:08:30,067 --> 00:08:33,467 Speaker 2: Yeah? We believe we can, and I know there's a 156 00:08:33,467 --> 00:08:35,747 Speaker 2: few other teams that believe the same thing. So we're 157 00:08:35,787 --> 00:08:40,107 Speaker 2: still only eight nine rounds into the competition, so there's 158 00:08:40,107 --> 00:08:41,747 Speaker 2: a lot of rugby to be played yet to try 159 00:08:41,747 --> 00:08:44,187 Speaker 2: and get into the top six and then you know, 160 00:08:44,187 --> 00:08:45,827 Speaker 2: I think good enough in the top six, you're just 161 00:08:45,827 --> 00:08:49,027 Speaker 2: trying to get enough points to be potentially in the 162 00:08:49,067 --> 00:08:52,707 Speaker 2: top two and get towards those home semis. But there's 163 00:08:52,747 --> 00:08:59,107 Speaker 2: a lot of rugby to be played and yeah, so hopefully, 164 00:08:59,587 --> 00:09:01,947 Speaker 2: but you know, I'll pully, I tell you in about 165 00:09:02,307 --> 00:09:03,747 Speaker 2: two months time off go fair. 166 00:09:03,707 --> 00:09:04,547 Speaker 3: Enough, we'll have a chat. 167 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:04,707 Speaker 2: Then. 168 00:09:04,747 --> 00:09:07,747 Speaker 3: Hey, congrats on the win last night, right, enjoy the 169 00:09:07,827 --> 00:09:08,987 Speaker 3: sunshine and the tron today. 170 00:09:09,027 --> 00:09:12,027 Speaker 2: Mate, Thank you. 171 00:09:12,267 --> 00:09:14,307 Speaker 3: Thank you, Roger Roger Randall, their assistant coach of the 172 00:09:14,347 --> 00:09:18,387 Speaker 3: Chiefs in charge of attack, which I'm sure was a 173 00:09:18,387 --> 00:09:20,627 Speaker 3: slightly different brief as he said last night with all 174 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:22,707 Speaker 3: that rain. But the Chiefs, well they got the job done, 175 00:09:22,707 --> 00:09:23,147 Speaker 3: didn't they. 176 00:09:23,987 --> 00:09:27,187 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 177 00:09:27,307 --> 00:09:30,587 Speaker 1: to news Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow 178 00:09:30,627 --> 00:09:32,227 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.