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Speaker 1: Now on something else, different kind of crackdown altogether. The

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Speaker 1: government is planning to crack down on dog owners who

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Speaker 1: tether their dogs up for too long.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The SPCA says this is a significant issue. They get

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Speaker 1: complaints about this every day and the new rules will

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Speaker 1: allow animal welfare inspectors to intervene earlier. There will also

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Speaker 1: be some protections for pregnant dogs, nursing dogs, and young dogs.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Hogart is the Associate Agriculture ministand with us now Andrew, Hello,

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Speaker 1: good right. If you guys, if these officials come across

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Speaker 1: a dog that's been tethered too long, what kind of

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Speaker 1: punishment could the dog owners face?

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Speaker 3: So there is the ability for a five hundred to

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Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars fine if it goes to prosecution. That's

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Speaker 3: the sort of legal fine. I mean this not so

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Speaker 3: much a crackdown. It was just there was a gaping

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Speaker 3: hole in the animal welfare inspector's ability to you know,

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Speaker 3: they could either just offer.

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Speaker 2: Advice or go the whole hog and take people to court.

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Speaker 3: This is about having a middle step in there and

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Speaker 3: hopefully preventing people going to court.

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Speaker 2: And all the rest of the rigmarole that goes with It.

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Speaker 1: Strikes me that the kind of people there will be

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Speaker 1: a proportion of the kind of people who tether up

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Speaker 1: a dog for too long, who just simply will not

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Speaker 1: pay a fine.

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Oh? Quite possibly.

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Speaker 3: There's people who don't pay any fines at all for

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Speaker 3: a whole range of things. But end of the day,

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Speaker 3: it provides RSPCA and MPI welfare inspectors a step. So

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Speaker 3: if people aren't willing to pay a fine, they keep

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Speaker 3: doing it, then that's a clear signal to take it

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Speaker 3: to the next level for prosecution.

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Speaker 1: How long is too long to be tethered?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean quite frankly from a personal level. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't like buying our goldie up for too long.

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Speaker 3: It's only if she breaks the fence and just sneak out.

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Speaker 3: But you know what we've got in these regulations is

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Speaker 3: some sort of outcome based measures, so you know, if

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Speaker 3: the dogs where in a path, if it's got brasions

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Speaker 1: And urine animal abuse right.

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Speaker 2: Clear animal abuse? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, are you planning to do anything about unregistered.

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Speaker 3: Dogs that falls outside of my area, because that is

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Speaker 3: sort of a mix between THEA and local government.

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Speaker 2: There is an element of.

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Speaker 3: Welfare in there and something sort of have approached other

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Speaker 3: ministers about, thinking, you know, is there something we could

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Speaker 3: be doing this space. But it is quite a technical

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Speaker 3: thing because it sort of cuts across so many different

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Speaker 3: ministries and departments. And also, I mean local councils do

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Speaker 3: have abilities to manage animals within their districts as well,

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Speaker 3: so it left they don't have to wait for government

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Speaker 3: to do it. They can take actions.

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Speaker 1: Are they doing it fast enough?

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Speaker 2: Do you do?

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Speaker 1: You can you point to a single council in this

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Speaker 1: country you go, yep, they are cracking down on unregistered

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked into it, and so I wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: able to say yea or nay, yeah, yeah, yep.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able.

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Speaker 3: To comment or disparage any particular council for anything it

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Speaker 3: may or may not be doing.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Andrew, while I've got you, because you know, I

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Speaker 1: get quite I get quite hot under the collar about

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Speaker 1: this infant formula.

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Speaker 2: But now it's coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad, you know, what's coming. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: you're prepared for this one. Are we doing a U

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Speaker 1: turn on it?

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Speaker 2: No, we're not.

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Speaker 3: I will be taking some options to cabnet and we're

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Speaker 3: too next but I can I can't go into the

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Speaker 3: details of those. But our position has always been the

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Speaker 3: same from day dot. Basically ninety nine percent of the standard.

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Speaker 3: We agreed with all the composition stuff, totally on board

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Speaker 3: with all of that. It was some labeling that was

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Speaker 3: going to cause a hell of a lot of economic loss,

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Speaker 3: potential economic loss for our companies in China and also

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Speaker 3: for those in New Zealand that wanted to know, hey,

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Speaker 3: this is in the product.

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Speaker 2: That's their choice.

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Speaker 3: So it's simply those labeling clauses that we want gone.

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Speaker 3: And so we've always wanted a modified standard that works

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Speaker 3: for New Zealand that won't change.

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Speaker 1: I was I was frustrated on your behalf. Maybe I've

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Speaker 1: been too sympathetic to you, but I was frustrated on

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Speaker 1: your behalf. When on maternity leave, I was reading all

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Speaker 1: these stories about your sister lobbying you, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe your sister lobbied you, but only with common sense,

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Speaker 1: am I right?

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Speaker 3: Well, she didn't actually lobby me because the Dairy Company's Association,

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Speaker 3: with which she's the executive director, they didn't take a

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Speaker 3: position on the final decision, so there was no lobbying

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Speaker 3: on that. Anyway, My office did ask Dairy Company's Association

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Speaker 3: on a technical point around codex what is X Y

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Speaker 3: and zming and that was the answer we got back.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, my golden retriever probably gave me more

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Speaker 3: lobbying over the dog thithering and much just to do

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Speaker 3: an infant formula.

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Speaker 1: Good on ya. I probably gave you more lobbying on

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Speaker 1: the infant formula myself, Andrew, thank you appreciate it. Andrew Hogart,

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Speaker 1: Associate Agriculture and So I don't know if you've caught up

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Speaker 1: on that, but go away and read about it. If

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Speaker 1: you're slightly interested in convoluted theories about how he came

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Speaker 1: to reach his decision, I'll give you a simpler theory

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Speaker 1: as to how he's re released his decision. The infant

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Speaker 1: formula rules are nuts, so they completely gaga. No one

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Speaker 1: wants to sign up to it, so he didn't sign

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Speaker 1: up to it. Oh, it's got to be his sister

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Speaker 1: got to him on the blower.

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