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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty unparalleled reach and.

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Speaker 2: Results on the huddle to me this evening, who we've

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Speaker 2: got Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame,

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Speaker 2: host of Q and A Saturday mornings on Newstalk ZB two.

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Speaker 2: Hello you guys, Jordan, what do you make of how

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Speaker 2: ugly this Marti Ward debate has actually turned?

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Speaker 3: I am my heart think when I read the story

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Speaker 3: this morning. It just yesterday, the Taxpayer Union we published

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Speaker 3: a full page in the Dominion Post calling on political

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Speaker 3: leaders to call out those political parties and political leaders

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Speaker 3: using frankly violent and drawing on extremist rhetoric. What really

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Speaker 3: concerned us was a series of means that leaned on

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Speaker 3: violent references with muskets and things like that, and calling

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Speaker 3: the government genocidal.

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Speaker 2: For example, you're basically talking about the Marti Party, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are the era, and we were saying that

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Speaker 3: actually Labor need to call that out and the Greens

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Speaker 3: need to call that out, and simply saying oh well,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have said that, but not calling it out

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Speaker 3: for what it is. It's a dangerous precedent. And we

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Speaker 3: said that The thing is is that for you know,

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Speaker 3: it is only language, and you know, as you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm a free speech absolutist, but it does mean you

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Speaker 3: can call it for what it is and say New

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Speaker 3: Zealand we shouldn't go there. And then just twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours later we have this happen over this very issue.

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Speaker 3: My heart thinks we have this is not the New

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Speaker 3: Zealand I know and love when we have a democratically

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Speaker 3: elected official standing up in tears and look, this isn't

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Speaker 3: a shrinking violet. I mean, he's go. I've had death

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Speaker 3: threats before, but now that I'm a father, I would

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Speaker 3: have to be more timid because the game and someone's

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Speaker 3: shot a bullet into the side of his truck and

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Speaker 3: they drive by. Holy moly. Why isn't this leading when news?

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Speaker 3: I find it alarming?

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Speaker 2: I agree with you Jack. How long is have we

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Speaker 2: got to this point that people who are so pro Mary. Look,

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Speaker 2: we don't know for sure that this is what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Mary Chong. He believes it is. But even in Kuiperer,

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Speaker 2: how is it that people who are so pro MARII

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Speaker 2: Mary Woods have got so feral on it?

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Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, I think I think that is an important

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Speaker 4: caveat first of all, we don't know for certain that

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Speaker 4: this is related to Mardi Wards, and there are lots

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Speaker 4: of contentious things happening in councils at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We do know the streets were we do know that earlier. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we don't know that person.

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Speaker 4: Required to gon Yeah, and and and you know, I

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Speaker 4: think universally we just have to condemn anything like this,

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Speaker 4: any form of political violence. This is totally unacceptable in

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Speaker 4: my so. Yeah, I agree, uughly appalling regardless of his

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Speaker 4: of of marriy Chong's views on anything related to his counsel,

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Speaker 4: business or political opinions, this kind of response is totally unjustified.

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Speaker 4: Why do I think that the Maori Wards debates has

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Speaker 4: become so feel what I think, as Sajohn Key alluded

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Speaker 4: to it the National Party conference at the weekend. I

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Speaker 4: think tensions around Ewie Crown relations and we trick that

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Speaker 4: is being used is at a very high level at

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Speaker 4: the moment because the government has moved very quickly to

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Speaker 4: change direction from the previous government.

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Speaker 2: Can I say jack something on this because I was

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Speaker 2: reflecting on this earlier, right, the government has yes changed

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Speaker 2: direction really quickly, but the labor government previously changed direction

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Speaker 2: on this very subject very quickly as well. And yet

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Speaker 2: I don't live me just finished my thoughts, and the

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Speaker 2: opposition to what Nanaima Hootera did did did not get

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Speaker 2: this feral. So why is it the feral in one

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Speaker 4: I think I don't want to speak to her, but

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Speaker 4: I think actually Niamhota would have experienced some.

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Speaker 2: Would get about that. Talk about what we are seeing

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Speaker 2: in public?

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, we'll hang on. When do me forget about that?

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Speaker 4: That's the whole point you've just said, Because.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jack, the point what I'm trying to say is

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Speaker 2: forget about what I'm the who is personally experiencing, because

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Speaker 2: otherwise we have to go and trall through what Sam

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Speaker 2: and Brown is personally experiencing, and we don't know and

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Speaker 2: what every other leading figure is so just just and

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Speaker 2: I are winged about it in public? We don't know.

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Speaker 2: But look at what we're seeing in public, what is

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Speaker 2: in the news and public, and it is much more

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you can quantify it that way

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Speaker 4: and say that's much more I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 4: bad across the board. And I think all parties, including

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Speaker 4: those parties using terms like genocide, all parties need to

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Speaker 3: You know, the former New Plymouth mere It basically called

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Speaker 3: anyone who justs agreed with him a racist. That's the

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Speaker 3: sort of that's what started us on on the sort

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Speaker 3: of path you know that we I mean, it's sort

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Speaker 3: of the end result of cancel culture. Once you start

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Speaker 3: calling people racists and trying to shut down that debate,

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Speaker 3: you do inflame a sort of a sort of out

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Speaker 3: the mob. And eventually what we warned about literally in

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Speaker 3: the full page ad yesterday calling for people to sign

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Speaker 3: the public Better is that you know this could lead

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Speaker 3: to bad places. In less than twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 3: here is a bad place. I think that that all parties,

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Speaker 3: including the Maori parties, should be saying, look, we don't

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Speaker 3: want to we don't want to go here. And look

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Speaker 3: I I look at the we put an email to

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Speaker 3: the couple of thousand people that put their name to

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Speaker 3: that that letter and today pulling this out and I

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Speaker 3: just said, you know, this is not the mu zeal

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Speaker 3: I've lost my train of sort sorry.

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Speaker 1: Hit about it.

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Speaker 4: Jordan jack Well, I I agree with Jordan. I think

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Speaker 4: it would be impactful if political leaders like to party.

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Speaker 4: Maldi said, Hey, actually, this kind of this this you know,

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Speaker 4: if we are if we are having if we are

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Speaker 4: having violence political violence, And I say, because we haven't

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Speaker 4: had that one hundred concerned in this case, but if

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Speaker 4: we are having political violence relating to this issue, that's

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Speaker 4: totally unacceptable. The problem is that, I would say, the

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Speaker 4: peoples on the fringes of this argument, some people in

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Speaker 4: the friend of this argument see it as beneficial to

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Speaker 4: their cause to throw fuel on the fire. On both

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Speaker 4: sides can also say can I can I also say that,

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Speaker 4: you know you just characterized in Anayama hooter is winging

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Speaker 4: about it. I mean, just just think about your own

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Speaker 4: language here the way, and that you have just very

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Speaker 4: very quickly, very reflexively, just completely minimized her experience. She

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Speaker 4: will have had some of the most appalling abuse of

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Speaker 4: any modern modern place. I have to agree with her.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying you have to agree with her, but

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Speaker 4: you've just said, oh, yeah, she's one is Murray Chong.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely we all agree he's a victim. I agree, Marray

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Speaker 4: Chong's a victim too. But then when you don't use

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Speaker 4: that kind of language, I mean, it's it's you're playing

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Speaker 4: into exactly the kind of problem you describe it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Back with the huddle, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams. Jack, do

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Speaker 2: you reckon we're being too hard on the canoeists or

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Speaker 2: was it the most embarrassing New Zealand performance at the

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Speaker 2: Olympics ever?

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Speaker 4: I don't about ever, but certainly at these Olympics, I

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Speaker 4: don't think we've been too hard on them. I think

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Speaker 4: it was embarrassing. I think given the standards of the

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Speaker 4: ENDOC supposedly said it around selecting for our other athletes

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Speaker 4: and other sports, it was a disgrace. I mean, honestly

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Speaker 4: it was. My wife always scoffed at me because I

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Speaker 4: did that classic like mean thing where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: how would I fear if I was competing against these

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Speaker 4: world class athletes in this extremely difficult event. But that

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Speaker 4: was one sport where even she had to agree that

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Speaker 4: maybe if I was out there on the course and

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Speaker 4: I had to win at my back, perhaps even I

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Speaker 4: could have been send them across the line.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Jordan? Your producer was trying to go me to say,

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Speaker 3: this is an outrageous waste of tax payer money and

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Speaker 3: all that sort of thing, which might all be true,

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Speaker 3: but maybe it's not a conturion And it's probably my

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Speaker 3: worst nightmare is sort of waking up and having to

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Speaker 3: be having to be an all black and the embarrassment

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Speaker 3: that I've got zero skilled in this area. But like

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Speaker 3: these guys, knowing they were taking the proverbial, who've got

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Speaker 3: a free trip to Paris, got to see the village,

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Speaker 3: have all the fun, pretend to be elite athletes, knowing

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Speaker 3: the whole time.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly, more importantly, they get to compete in

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Speaker 2: the thing that they're supposed to compete in, which is kayaking.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, on the other hand, I sort of

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Speaker 3: got it, like again, it's a problemmaking thurer in this.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, god on you mate, what is it? What

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Speaker 3: is more New Zealand and like a free CONTACTI through

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Speaker 3: France village?

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Speaker 2: Do you realize though, that they're not actually canoeists like that,

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Speaker 2: they're just to get into the kayak.

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Speaker 4: Taking the I understand that. I mean they by by

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Speaker 4: competing in the C two they could also compete in

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Speaker 4: the K four, in which they didn't totally humiliate themselves.

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Speaker 4: I think they they made it through to the second round, right,

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Speaker 4: but it was hardly like a totally dazzling performance. Look,

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Speaker 4: that was the plan because they need to save the

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Speaker 4: energy for the K four. I mean, it just makes

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Speaker 4: for a bit of an embarrassing spectacle.

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Speaker 2: Is embarrassed on canoeing? Isn't canoeing? Actually? The thing that

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Speaker 2: is the most embarrassing here that that that Jordan, that

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Speaker 2: you can have people who don't even know how to

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Speaker 2: canoe make it into.

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Speaker 3: Sports bodies at the Olympics are hardly covering themselves and.

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Speaker 4: Laurie, Yeah, surely the qualification standards. That's that's the truly

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Speaker 4: embarrassing thing about this. The loophole is the most embarrassing

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Speaker 4: thing you've brought me around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh thank you?

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Speaker 1: How about that? All right?

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Speaker 2: That's the huddle this evening Jordan Williams and Jack Same.

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