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Speaker 1: Got another report out into the organized crime from the

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Speaker 1: Advisory Group. The last report warned that corruption is getting

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Speaker 1: worse because officials are being recruited by the organized crime.

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Speaker 1: The report, the report the time reckons that we can

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Speaker 1: perhaps tackle us by getting our communities involved. Steve Simon

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Speaker 1: is the chair of Ministerial Advisory Group for Organized Crime

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Speaker 1: and with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hi, Steve, good morning. How are you hear that?

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Speaker 1: I'm well, thank you. How do we get the communities involved?

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Speaker 2: There's there's a number of ways that The first point

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Speaker 2: is to treat the community as part of the solution.

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Speaker 2: A big part of that is getting them involved by

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Speaker 2: giving them some natural information they can they can use.

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Speaker 2: Our committee thinks it's a really good idea to let

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Speaker 2: the public, particularly in the local communities, know what the

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Speaker 2: real problems organized crime are for them and ways that

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Speaker 2: can identify that organized crime and report that to the

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Speaker 2: authorities and work as a community to try and support

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Speaker 2: those who are trying to break free from bank customers

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Speaker 2: of organized crime.

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Speaker 1: Steve, do you think people don't understand? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: see a couple of guys walking down the street. It's

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Speaker 1: I don't know, three in the morning. They've got hoodies on.

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Speaker 1: You know that looks dodgy. So you know what dodgy

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Speaker 1: looks like. You know how to report it. You've got

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Speaker 1: your one wall one, you've got your five I five

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Speaker 1: or whatever. What else do people actually need to know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, head, that's a good point for something like that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you would know as clear as the light of day.

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Speaker 2: That's a problem. But when you go to buy a

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Speaker 2: fruit from a fruit store at a market and you

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Speaker 2: see there's a number of vulnerable, potentially migrant workers there,

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Speaker 2: if you become aware through conversations that perhaps those people

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Speaker 2: are not in a legitimate employment opportunity, it's those signs

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Speaker 2: that that might be some migrant exploitation going on. It's

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Speaker 2: your grandmother reporting that she got the strange text messages

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Speaker 2: asking her to send money or put in her Wishpang

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Speaker 2: bank account, that she might be subject to fraud. It's

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Speaker 2: about how you might help her with being resilient there.

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Speaker 2: So it's opening our minds and thinking organized crime is

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Speaker 2: not just guys where are patches driving around on motorbikes.

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Speaker 2: It's about organized crime reaching in as a business and

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Speaker 2: infecting our communities.

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Speaker 1: So how do you get people to kind of move

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Speaker 1: away because the immediate reaction is that that's just introducing

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Speaker 1: a culture of knarking. How do you get people to

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Speaker 1: kind of move beyond that.

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Speaker 2: I think we need to change our attitude organized crime

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Speaker 2: is in our country. As we set out in our

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Speaker 2: Mask report, organized crime is affecting us in a large

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Speaker 2: number of ways. And the thing that we have in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, you know, we've done lots of research lots

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Speaker 2: of the countries around the world. We've met with and

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Speaker 2: talked with people in the UK as straining the other

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Speaker 2: places that are similar to us, they also have a

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Speaker 2: really bad organized crime problem and it's worse there. The

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Speaker 2: difference that we have as a community when you talk

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Speaker 2: to our agencies, when you talk to our private businesses,

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Speaker 2: when you talk to our community groups, keep this give

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Speaker 2: us stuff. We really want to do something about getting

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Speaker 2: rid of organized crime. And so if we can change

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Speaker 2: our attitude to saying it's not okay to have that here,

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Speaker 2: it's not okay to have that business going on, run

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Speaker 2: our families and run our friends, we want to get

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Speaker 2: rid of it. Then if we take that approach, really

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Speaker 2: it's not so much a k marketing thing, it's more

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Speaker 2: saying you're not welcome here. It's an intolerance welcome in

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Speaker 2: our country, intolerance of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Steve, listen, thanks very much, really appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we can turn this thing around. That

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Speaker 1: Steve Simon, the chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group for

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Speaker 1: Organized Crime.

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