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Speaker 1: Politics, Wednesday, Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Why aren't they there?

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Speaker 2: Are they all?

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Speaker 1: They are too? We gotta tell him, don't you don't

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Speaker 1: you blame me, bloody Sam this morning. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to get rid of him because hold on, I just

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Speaker 1: go no, no, you don't need to come and I

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Speaker 1: can do this and stand there and the hopeless people

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Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by. Are you surrounded by a lot of

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Speaker 1: hopeless people, Ginny.

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Speaker 2: No, they're pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Actually that's pretty good. I'm not going to slay them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I am surrounded by the Laver Caucus.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about technology, talking a bit, talking about technology, mate,

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Speaker 2: very quickly.

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Speaker 4: At the Royal New Zealand Police College yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing that practice thing where they do their

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Speaker 1: new trials where they push people into cells and stuff?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely in their head like it.

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Speaker 2: They had a sensor on his two parts, but they

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Speaker 2: had a sensor on the roof that now actually on

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Speaker 2: the ceiling that actually will will actually monitor the person's

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Speaker 2: respiratory rate and heartbeat to see if they're getting stressed.

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Speaker 4: And we also had the police dog section out. The

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Speaker 4: police dogs have.

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Speaker 2: They've got body armor and they've now got a very

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Speaker 2: powerful directional speaker that they can attach the body armor,

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Speaker 2: which means that the dog handler can actually give instructions

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Speaker 2: remotely to both the dog and an offender that's been caught.

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Speaker 4: And they've tried they've been trial. Yeah, and they've tried it,

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Speaker 4: and they've.

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Speaker 2: Said that what what what it's done unintentionally? Is it

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Speaker 2: like someone under the influence of drugs or alcohol actually

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Speaker 2: think the dog's talking to them and probably become confused.

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Speaker 2: They'll become compliant they are to try to conversation.

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Speaker 3: Did they did someone?

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Speaker 1: They got there? So, yeah, I'm looking at the dog

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Speaker 1: and the dog saying sit down, sit down.

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Speaker 4: Now exactly, yeah, exactly what your hands effective? Got your

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Speaker 4: hands up. It's really effective.

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Speaker 2: It means that if it's raining, the handlers can stay

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Speaker 2: in the vehicle, they don't have to get out.

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Speaker 3: We could do with that, and maybe the speaker in

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Speaker 3: Parliament could have some of the gears that would like

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Speaker 3: kind of help question time, run that's good?

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Speaker 1: Is this cunting us is used by forces all over

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, now it's used by forces all over the world,

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Speaker 2: but we're not all over the world. There's a few

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Speaker 2: forces that have used it, and now New Zealand is

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Speaker 2: sort of picking up and it's going to use it.

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Speaker 4: They had a case the other day where.

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Speaker 2: They had an offender in a building wouldn't come out

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Speaker 2: and they just started playing Barry Manilow music over the speaker.

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Speaker 4: Very Trevor Maller, Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Technically, Hey, Ginny, have you seen Karen macinnulty this morning?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: I haven't.

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Speaker 1: No one has apparently. I've been ringing him and he

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Speaker 1: just will not answer his phone. And I mean, what time?

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Speaker 1: What times the labor parties start? I reckon it's between

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Speaker 1: nine o three nine o five.

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Speaker 3: Well, he'd be running procedure shortly, so maybe that's the

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Speaker 3: reason why he runs the morning moving. That's happening about?

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Speaker 1: Its bloody, it's the problem. Yeah, he got it on

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Speaker 1: silent or something. What's what's what's the problem with you.

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Speaker 3: Asking it about as alcohol? Billy? It's up today and

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes I am. And that's the problem because I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at that this morning. I mean this potentially. Are you

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Speaker 1: up with this Mark mcinaalty's alcohol bill?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to vote for it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm supporting it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, good, good. So what's and no one

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Speaker 1: knows about this because Cara wan answers bloody phone. So

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Speaker 1: he's got this bill and so it's a conscience vote.

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Speaker 1: And pubs are going to be open over Easter the

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Speaker 1: way pubs should be open over Easter but haven't been

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Speaker 1: allowed to because of these mad Easter rules we have.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like it could go through. And if

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Speaker 1: it goes through today, correct me if I'm wrong, Jinny.

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Speaker 1: But if it goes through today, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: Laura and the pubs will be open Forisa, won't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I have to check the legislation,

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Speaker 3: but I'm sure he's pretty sure it would make the

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Speaker 3: change available in endic day is the other one that

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Speaker 3: it impets as well for people for pubs that one

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't he or you or anybody done something like

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Speaker 1: this before. This is what we want you guys for

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Speaker 1: more drinking.

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Speaker 3: It's largely because our alcohol lords are a bit of

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Speaker 3: a use and so when you get in there and

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Speaker 3: do a little bit, it probably needs to fall overhaul.

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Speaker 3: But this was a change. I think he had a

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Speaker 3: local insect group that talked about it. And how they

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Speaker 3: were impacted. And so this is sort of one change

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Speaker 3: that affected a bit, won't fax all of it, but

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Speaker 3: it seems like a reasonable change. I'm voting for.

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Speaker 1: It, so you should well done. But Mark, what have

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Speaker 1: you seen Chris Bishop lately? What's gone? He's got this

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Speaker 1: housing thing in Auckland completely nutterly cocked up. How come

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Speaker 1: he's fallen into this particular trap.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just he's he's got the ballots right in

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Speaker 2: terms of delivering housing which we need in Auckland, and

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Speaker 2: he's actually done a really good job of that and

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Speaker 2: also making sure that the that the character you know

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Speaker 2: of communities is maintained and kept in the housing goes

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Speaker 2: where it should and where it makes sense. And that's

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Speaker 2: like main sort of public transport route.

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Speaker 1: Do you honestly believe that, I mean, you live in Auckland,

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Speaker 1: you're a you're getting any feedback on this because the

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Speaker 1: problem with the numbers. No one understands the numbers. No

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Speaker 1: one understands what's getting built and where and why and how,

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Speaker 1: And that's before you get to your volcano shafts and

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Speaker 1: all that sort. He seems like a guy in Wellington

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Speaker 1: who doesn't get the vibe of Auckland and is just

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Speaker 1: getting up everyone's nose.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got quite a bit of feedback on it

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Speaker 2: initially and people want to change in my and my

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Speaker 2: elleterate and that's why we've made the changes. And now

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Speaker 2: it's up to council, but we've given them all the

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Speaker 2: tools and the ability to be able to put housing

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Speaker 2: with people want it. When with feedback directly from communities,

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Speaker 2: it's like.

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Speaker 1: It's like me trying to redesign Jackson Street, you know, Ginny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like I've been to Jackson Street, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert on Jackson Street, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want to mess with me.

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Speaker 3: Or he came instead of guns are blazing saying he

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Speaker 3: amazing sort of plan. And the problem is that all

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Speaker 3: the people who didn't want the extra gentification, the more

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Speaker 3: poor put really poor quality against housing without the infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: We saw in the interviewsy Day. That's what happens when

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Speaker 3: you get more concrete than no supporting infrastructure, So it

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Speaker 3: just means it'll be pushed into poor quality intensified housing,

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Speaker 3: and it doesn't do what he promised, which is to

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Speaker 3: build along those main arterial routes like the Eastern Busway.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen under this. So you're going

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Speaker 3: to have pockets of buildings and pockets of more gittorization

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Speaker 3: of buildings built up without supporting infrastructure. I think that's

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Speaker 3: been a complete stuff up.

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Speaker 4: It has been.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's not one hundred thousand poor housing, houses

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Speaker 2: that labored, never didn't even come close to delivering on

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Speaker 2: heym before we get to the end of the show, it's.

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Speaker 3: Not it's not my market. It's not that at all.

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Speaker 3: It's not quality.

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Speaker 4: Happening that people want. It's the first.

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Speaker 2: It's the first of April today, which is yes, April

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Speaker 2: Fool's Day. I just wanted to let you guys know

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Speaker 2: there's no such thing as a dog speaker that plays

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Speaker 2: very mentally well.

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Speaker 1: That's genuinely impressive.

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Speaker 4: Do you know you're really good? Mark? I got it

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Speaker 4: to a good liar.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you that marks a really good liar.

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Speaker 1: I got a text during the ad break and they

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Speaker 1: were talking about mcinolty's thing. When they saw it this morning,

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Speaker 1: they thought it was an April Fool's joke, and I went, oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't have April fool's jokes anymore. Thank god we've

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Speaker 1: gone past that. And yes, I still I still.

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Speaker 4: Buy it to the April Fool's joke. Mate, you got

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Speaker 4: to you got to give it a crack. So well

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Speaker 4: done you guys.

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Speaker 1: You took the bait, but with alacrity. I I thought

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Speaker 1: that these were these were good ideas.

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Speaker 2: You started probing, you started asking me is this thing

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Speaker 2: done overseas?

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Speaker 4: And a lot of stuff. I thought it was on

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Speaker 3: Did you pick that up yourself? Marked all by yourself?

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Speaker 3: Because it's quite impressive, as you thought, they're all on

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Speaker 3: your own.

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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely I went to I went to the Labor

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Speaker 2: Caucus two weeks ago, so can you come up with

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Speaker 2: one idea? And they came up with.

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Speaker 1: Just to just to wrap this convivial session up. Just

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Speaker 1: remind me, Ginny, and please reassure me that this india

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Speaker 1: FTA that Hipkins is writing letters about and stuff that

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Speaker 1: you will get there, this is this we hope. So

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Speaker 1: you're not.

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Speaker 3: We're not we're not profounding against it. But the big

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Speaker 3: problem is you know, we did the numbers on the

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Speaker 3: how much of this you know, have the expectation that

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Speaker 3: New Zealand businesses are going to invest thirty four billion

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Speaker 3: into it. That's that's a big problem because we looked

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Speaker 3: at what we need to China and it's a fraction

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Speaker 3: of that even with dairy over a period of quite

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Speaker 3: a number of years. So that's a massive issue that

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Speaker 3: we're promising to invest duty four billion into Indian companies

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Speaker 3: when it's just you know, a big question.

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Speaker 1: What the penalty if we don't, Well.

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Speaker 3: It means that they can pull out of all those markets.

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Speaker 3: So if there's a business and there's trade going on

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Speaker 3: and those businesses relying on that trade, then it doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to continue. They can use it as an out

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Speaker 3: and so that's not certainty for New Zealan businesses who.

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Speaker 1: Were wanting to do But is that aspirational or is

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Speaker 1: that like black and white invest or, why sign up?

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Speaker 3: Why sign up to it? It's sign up to it

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Speaker 3: and it's inspirational.

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Speaker 4: You know, like really did this?

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Speaker 2: Labor did this on the Chinese Free Trade Agreement with the.

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Speaker 4: Excuse they came in the government and then.

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Speaker 3: They got mark you.

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Speaker 2: Know you opposed it when we were in government, and

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Speaker 2: then you went into government, you flipped and you supported it.

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Speaker 4: It's been a great free trade a group for us.

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Speaker 4: I just think this is important.

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Speaker 2: India is India is really important for US as a country.

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Speaker 2: It's a great it's going to be. We've got to

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Speaker 2: keep trading with other countries.

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Speaker 1: Rangenge the speaker for it, really was.

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Speaker 4: We could record Jenny Boyce and use that instead of

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Speaker 4: very man like. They're probably a good.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you have a good week. I appreciate it. Jinny Anderson,

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell, it's good to know you can still get sucked.

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Speaker 1: And that spectacularly. The thing that the what did he have?

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Speaker 1: The laser monitor thing? I thought that could be very

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Speaker 1: real and it seemed sensible to me. The dog thing

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Speaker 1: was reasonably good anyway. Sucked in good for April fourths.

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Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast

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Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio.