1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hilda. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Unity is 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: the theme for this year's Masoiki. Today is the fourth 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: year of the public holiday marking the Mali New Year. 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: It's the first holiday to recognize molding and the first 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: new public holiday introduced since Why Tungi Day became a 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: holiday in nineteen seventy four. Today on the front page, 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Professor Rangi Matamua, the chief advisor for Maturiki, is with 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: us to take us through what the holiday means. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: First off, Rangi, what is Matariki. 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 4: So Matariki is a cluster of stars, most commonly known 13 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 4: as play and so it's in the constellation of Taurus. 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: And it's actually there are a few hundred stars in 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 4: that cluster, but there's only a handful that are visible 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 4: to the naked eye. So Maturik is the Mali name 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 4: that's given to. 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 5: That group of stars. 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: And in terms of martaiqui, what's the law there if 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: people don't know? 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 4: So, stars rise four minutes earlier every day. So the 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: stars you see in the sky, say in the summertime 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 4: in the morning, are not the stars that you see 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: in the sky in the winter time, they change, they 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 4: change their positions throughout the year. 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 5: And so what happens is Martariqui will. 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 4: Rise on the horizon in the eastern sky just before 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: the sun rises in the middle of winter. So when 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: it appears in that position in the middle of winter, 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: before the sun rises, you knew that you were around 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: the shortest day of the year. And so that was 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: a marker for when people begin their New Year celebration. 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 4: And most cultures that have a New year, if that's 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: you know, for want of a better phrase, sell lebraided 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: it in the winter. You'll see that right across Europe. 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: You'll see that in many other cultures as well. They'll 37 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: wait till the middle of winter and then they knew 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 4: that the shortest day had ended and the you know, 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 4: somen was coming back and bringing back life and warmth 40 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: of the earth. 41 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 5: Well, Mardi did exactly the same. 42 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: But the marker that we chose to understand and know 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: when we were in the correct phase of celebration was 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: the pre dawn rising of Matadiki. 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: And I understand that there's a theme this year. What's that? 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: So the theme this year is matadi Ki mapuanga that 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 4: means mataiki and Puanger. 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 5: So you know, Mahdi, just like any other group of people. 49 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: We have our own you know, you can even though 50 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: you're one people, perhaps we have so much diversity within 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: our within our culture, and different regions have different approaches. 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 4: For the vast majority of Maldi, Matadiki is the symbol 53 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: that begins the new year, but for some tribes, the 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: star Puanger or Ridal is actually the star that marks 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: the beginning of the new year. It's a star that 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: rises near at the same time of the year, but 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: it was just a different start that was selected. 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 5: So what we're doing in this year is. 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: Celebrating mantari qui mar puna, which means celebrate together. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 5: So we're saying to people, even though you. 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 4: Might have perhaps a little bit different approach, or there 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: are these wonderful nuanced eardiosyncrasies or different characteristics that different 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: regions have, we should celebrate those, but also come together 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 4: to celebrate the Mardi New Year. 65 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 6: Siniki is representative of the Marii new year, but also 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 6: something that was key as part of seasonal recognizing the 67 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 6: change in seasons, and also recognized in different regions of 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 6: it sometimes being at different times, but it is unique 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 6: to New Zealand. It is something that's unique about our 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 6: place in the world, and so it's a real chance 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 6: for us to not only mark that in our own calendar, 72 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 6: but to showcase that internationally as well. 73 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: How significant do you think that that theme of unity 74 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: is at a time when there's been a lot of 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: talk about culture wars and of course the Treaty Principal's Bill, 76 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: It seems pretty timely to be thinking of togetherness. You know. 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: It's we're in a period where there's a lot of division, 78 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: and not just in the country but right across the world, 79 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 4: and it's often driven, i think, in many ways at 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: a political level. And so people become divided because of 81 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: their different, diverse practices, or different backgrounds or even different lifestyles, 82 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: and so people become isolated and marginalized, and words become weaponized, 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: and people become politicized and then even radicalized. 84 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 5: And so the division does that. 85 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: And what we're saying is it's okay to be different, 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: It's okay, but it's about coming together with our difference, 87 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: is to celebrate the things that make us the same. 88 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 4: There isn't a single person who lives in this country 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: who does not descend from a culture that used that 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: group of stars Matiqui or plad E's or the Seven 91 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 4: Sisters or the hen in checks, regardless of where you 92 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: are in the world, that did not look to those 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 4: stars to mark new year, or to mark planting, or 94 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 4: to mark harvest or many other things. 95 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 5: And so it's saying we're from all. 96 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: Of these different, diverse backgrounds, but we come together to 97 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: celebrate as one. I think it's such an important message 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 4: in the context of where we are in terms of 99 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: I guess the climate that is dividing many of us. 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: Why does the date change every year? 101 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: You do you know why Easter changes every year? 102 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: No? 103 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know most people don't know. The reason 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: Easter changes every year, and it's about a month's difference 105 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 4: is because the Easter celebration is built on a lunar 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: solar calendar. It's not part of the Gregorian calendar. It 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 4: existed well before the three hundred and sixty five and 108 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 4: called a day Gregorian calendar system that we follow today, 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 4: and it was based on a particular lunar period of 110 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 4: a particular lunar month, and that's why it shifts because 111 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: the lunar months and the solar months are not the 112 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: same thing. And that's exactly the reason why Mantadiki shifts, 113 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: because it's based on a traditional Mildi lunar calendar system 114 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: that re existed here before the arrival of the Gregorian calendar. 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: So it shifts against the Gregorian calendar, but in terms 116 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 4: of the lunar calendar, it stays the same. Now, lunar 117 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: calendars they only have three hundred and fifty four days, 118 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: not three hundred and sixty five. So it just don't 119 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: want to bore people too much with the kinds of 120 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 4: it all, but fairly much. It means every three years 121 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 4: you need to add an additional lunar month into the 122 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 4: calendar system to make sure that your lunar cycle sinks 123 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: into your solar cycle. And so that's the reason why 124 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 4: Easter shifts and the same reason why Mantaiqi shifts. 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: So have you viewed the cluster yet? 126 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: No? 127 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 5: Do you know how to? 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: No? 129 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 7: Okay, wake up? Go outside. 130 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 5: There's a hard part. 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 7: You're already away before sunrise. Once the sun's up foot 132 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 7: washes out the stars. You don't want to get up 133 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 7: to real leaf because you have to wait for the 134 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 7: cluster to actually rise over the horizon. So between five 135 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 7: thirty and six thirty is a good time of the 136 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 7: morning to see it. You're going to look to the southeast. 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 7: You're going to look for Oriyan's bout, which is also 138 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 7: known as the pot. 139 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 8: Ryan. 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 7: It's also known as Totau, and then you're going to 141 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 7: look straight out from the pot and you'll see Puanga. Yeah, 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 7: and then you're going to look lift to the pot. 143 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 7: You're going to see big orange stand and you're going 144 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 7: to look a little for the lift, and then you're 145 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 7: going to see the Matsadiki cluster. So it's just a 146 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 7: cluster of stars and look a little bit hazy, and 147 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 7: between five thirty and six city is the best time 148 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 7: to see it. 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw. 150 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, the Matadiki Advisory Committee set out 151 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: the Maturiki Public Holiday day. 152 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: For the next thirty years. How does that happen? 153 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: You can actually work out what years will have extra 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: months and when the particular and correct lunar phases will 155 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: be of the correct lunar months. So it's no different 156 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: as setting out moving forward Christmas for the next one 157 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 4: hundred years. See Christmas doesn't always fall on the same day. 158 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: It doesn't always fall on a Saturday or a Sunday 159 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 4: or a Friday or a Tuesday of changes, but it 160 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: will always be on the twenty fifth. That's exactly the 161 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: same as we've worked out. We understand that Marta Deque 162 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: won't changes against the Western calendar, but it always falls on. 163 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 5: The correct lunar period of time. So yeah, we just you. 164 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: Can project right out for thousands of years if you 165 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: really wanted to, what the correct lunar phases of the 166 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: correct lunar months will be. 167 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: This is the fourth year celebrating Matauriqua is a public holiday. 168 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 2: Do you think the understanding of Marsadiki has grown over 169 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: that time? 170 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: It clearly has, and I mean the Ministry for Culture 171 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 4: and Heritage have put out reports every year showing that 172 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: it's increased. It's gone from I think fifty one percent 173 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: of the entire population to celebrating it in its first year. 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 4: Last year, I think it was sixty two percent or 175 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: something like that. I want to be making up numbers. 176 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was three quarters of Kiwis see 177 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: Masadiki as a chance to celebrate the culture, people and 178 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: stories of al Tierroa up from seventy percent in twenty 179 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: twenty three, So clearly, I mean that's going to be encouraging. 180 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: It is, it is, and I think it's like that 181 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 4: because there is no politics in Matauriki. There isn't There 182 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: is no right way or wrong way to celebrate it. 183 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 4: It can be as simple as just sitting down with 184 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: loved ones and having a meal, to going out and 185 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 4: watching a rugby match, to spending time going out to 186 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 4: walk the dogs. It's about people reconnecting to their loved 187 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 4: ones and reconnecting to the environment. There are tradition, Maldi 188 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: four more ceremonies that are taking place right across the 189 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: country at the moment. There are also people just in 190 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: their homes spending time with each other. But it's mostly 191 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: based on three principles. Number one, it's a period where 192 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 4: we reflect on our loved ones and we honor the 193 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: legacy that they've left us. The second thing we do 194 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: is we celebrate all of the wonderful things that make 195 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: us who we are, all of those wonderful things that 196 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: means to be a ki we And the last thing, 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: as we look to the future and look to a 198 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: prosperous here, but also to who we want to be 199 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: in the future, and so I think those really core, open, 200 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: wonderful values resonate with all people. 201 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 5: So I'm really stoked that it's growing. I'm really really. 202 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: Happy that I get the feeling that people are starting 203 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: to embrace it. They're always going to be those groups 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: of people that will say it's just another day off 205 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: for me, or I don't want to celebrate that, and 206 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: that's cool, But hoping that as it starts to evolve 207 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 4: and people become more comfortable with it and realize that 208 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: there are no month police or no one's being judged, 209 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: or it's open to everyone, that will become part of 210 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: people's normal yearly cycle and part of our national identity. 211 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: This year, to celebrate Matadiki, we're having a lot of 212 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: friends over to our fuddy and we're going to put 213 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: down the hangy. I'm calling it Houerdiki. It's like friends 214 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: miss but for Martadiki. 215 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 8: For Martiniqui. This year, I'm going to make some cute 216 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 8: little short bread stars, which may not be successful, and 217 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 8: I'm having some of my best friends over so that 218 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 8: we can share some reflections and some of our goals 219 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 8: for the next year. 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: Are there any other significant dates or events in the 221 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: multi calendar that you would like to see more widely 222 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: celebrated as well. 223 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, there are there are those seasonal celebrations and those 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 4: are mildly celebrated at the end of the harvest. So 225 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: that was in the autumn, celebrated in the spring, when 226 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: we planted, we celebrated in the middle of summer. And 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 4: these were like acknowledgments of the seasonal cycles. But the 228 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 4: big one, big one was Mataiki and that was big 229 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: community events and feesting and coming together. But all of them, 230 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 4: all of those Mali seasonal celebrations are deeply intertwined with 231 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: the environment. 232 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: So there you know. 233 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 4: The Maldi calendar system is an environmentally driven astronomical calendar 234 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: system and so it's people had such intimate connections and 235 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: a knowledge of the environment, and it was embedded into 236 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: everyday practice. And so I'd love to see more of 237 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: that happen and people connecting to our environment and where 238 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: we are in this part. 239 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: Of the world. 240 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today, You're welcome. 241 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 242 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 243 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: at enzadherld dot co dot nz. 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