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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 3: Yes, We'll good afternoon to you. Welcome on in. It

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Speaker 3: is the twenty seventh of January anniversary day for much

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Speaker 3: I'm working, you're working. I'm Andrew Dickens. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: listening on the program today. The school years approaching and

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Speaker 3: charter schools are proving to be very popular at the

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Speaker 3: Principle of Mastery School in Canterbury is two minutes away.

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Speaker 3: Australia Day was not a good day for monuments across Australia.

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Speaker 3: So Oli Peterson's joining us to staffter four thirty Digital

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Speaker 3: interesting but not very much on point. The Kaiper Mayor

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Speaker 3: News Talks at b got co dot ns here. It's

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Speaker 3: eight after four so submissions have opened in the Select

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Speaker 3: Committee looking at the Treaty Principal's Bill, which if it passes,

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Speaker 3: becomes the Act. There are so many that the chair,

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Speaker 3: So obviously that's impractical and ain't gonna happen. So there's

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Speaker 3: about contentious bills these days seems to be more about

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Speaker 3: the quantity of submissions and not the quality. And if

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Speaker 3: three hundred thousand submissions about nothing. Meanwhile, Hobson's Pledge got

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Speaker 3: There was never indication that Hobson's Pledge would not be heard.

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Speaker 3: It's a piece of performative politics from Hobson's Pledge be

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Speaker 3: they're not being muzzled. Charter schools are coming day one

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Speaker 4: Rose Joreban, Nice to be here.

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Speaker 3: How much interest have you had, Oh, we've had a

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Speaker 4: We have held information nights before we were approved. I

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Speaker 4: So we've yeah, sure, we've got sixty students enrolled for

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Speaker 4: It's not about the building capacity, it's about what we've

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Speaker 4: So mastery school is for children that are behind in

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Speaker 3: How many teachers are registered them, how many aren't.

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Speaker 4: Our opening day is the third effeb So we've got

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Speaker 4: I think self governing boards, that's what they can do.

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Speaker 3: Well, good luck to you and I wish you're only

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 3: Oh news talks, he be. It's nineteen minutes out for

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Speaker 3: this talks fort Jason Pine. Hello, Hello, Andrew. Did you

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Speaker 3: Very good stuff. Hey, and briefly I'm going to talk

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Speaker 7: Look, I can't wait to hear more.

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Speaker 3: Excellent answer, very diplomatic. You're a pro. And are you

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Speaker 7: I am on tonight. We'll talk some tennis and also

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Speaker 3: take through, Andrew, I believe that Donald Trump has missed

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Speaker 3: President Trump is not wrong. Gaza is a demolition site.

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Speaker 3: And also the story from Oliver Piece and that President

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Speaker 3: that are being held in Las Vegas. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 3: Just clean out that whole thing. Now. Donald Trump has

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Speaker 3: We go to Perth. He's working today from six pm.

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Speaker 3: Oly Petersonello good Andrew, great to be here. Happy Australia

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you used to be not anti Semitic as well.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and then they'll vote for what they perceive

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Speaker 3: prefer him, but we prefer him more than that other bloke,

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Speaker 3: and that's for sure. Can I asked you a question

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Speaker 3: about the Australia Day thing because I didn't watch the

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Speaker 3: Australian Open yesterday because I was busy watching Cold Shizzle

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Speaker 3: U which was so good at ice House. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I've always been confused when the Australian Open is playing

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Speaker 3: and then it's Australia Day and then they have the

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Speaker 3: fireworks and then they stop the games for like fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: Did that happen again?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: You got to schedule it better, haven't you, Like you've

447
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Speaker 15: just got to sort of figure out when the match

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Speaker 15: is going to start, when the fireworks are going to

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Speaker 15: be on. I got to be honest, s I didn't

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Speaker 15: catch the final my self because I was down here

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Speaker 15: at the fireworks here in Perth, but I wouldn't be

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Speaker 15: surprised if they pressed the pause. But not it because

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Speaker 15: it just becomes so distracting through the players.

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Speaker 3: All Right, what happens if you get caught with cocaine

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Speaker 3: in Australia these days?

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Speaker 15: Well you think you go to court or you think

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Speaker 15: you might have the threat of jail time. But because

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Speaker 15: the new South Wales courts are just choker block, they're

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Speaker 15: just giving gap fines because they're trying to get rid

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Speaker 15: of the backlog at the moment of the court. So

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Speaker 15: there was a record number of fines issued last year

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Speaker 15: instead of chargers.

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Speaker 14: So twenty three percent of people.

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Speaker 15: Who've been caught in cocaine with cocaine last March walked

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Speaker 15: away with a four hundred dollars criminal infringement notice.

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Speaker 14: Ninety nine percent was sent to court the month before.

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Speaker 15: So, I mean, if you're thinking about what dealing this stuff,

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Speaker 15: or you're thinking about consuming this stuff, you've got a

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Speaker 15: one in four chance of just getting a fine, and

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Speaker 15: you probably think we'll stuff it.

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Speaker 2: I'll do it.

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Speaker 15: I think this seems a really poor message Andrew to

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Speaker 15: the criminals and also the people who want to take

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Speaker 15: this stuff, that it's basically a white flag moment that

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Speaker 15: the authorities are giving up on catching the criminals and

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Speaker 15: catching the people who were peddling this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Also, unfortunately, because over the last year they've been headlines

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Speaker 3: saying the Colombian cartels are currently targeting Australia and New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: They see it as a fresh and untapped cocaine market.

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Speaker 3: Particularly if you guys aren't doing anything about.

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Speaker 14: It, well, that's it.

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Speaker 15: And there was I know there was a big sting

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Speaker 15: recently in Sydney where there were hundreds of people arrested

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Speaker 15: or charged as a result of pedaling this stuff and

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Speaker 15: paraded before the cameras and column inches in the newspapers

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Speaker 15: and obviously talked about here on radio and thought, oh,

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Speaker 15: well done, tough on crime. You're doing really well. Then

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Speaker 15: you go and get this stuff and you think, well

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Speaker 15: are you or was that just a pr exercise because

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Speaker 15: you knew what was coming.

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Speaker 3: Now hopes that Donald Trump will go to Vegas to

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Speaker 3: watch rugby league.

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Speaker 15: This has to be the most bonkers story out of Australia.

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Speaker 14: I've got to give Peter Vilandi's the chair.

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Speaker 15: Of the AARLC, a little bit of credit here, Andrew

496
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Speaker 15: because he loves Hollywood, he loves a headline. He's obviously

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Speaker 15: gone and met King Charles before he's met the former

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Speaker 15: president Joe Biden. Now he reckons he's going to be

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Speaker 15: able to get Donald Trump to fly from Washington to

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Speaker 15: Vegas for obviously the first rounded the rugby league to

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Speaker 15: be played there in Vegas, as it was last year

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Speaker 15: and this year again and they're going to market. Nathan

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Speaker 15: Cleary is the Tom Brady of the National Rugby League.

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Speaker 14: This is just nuts.

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Speaker 15: As if the President is going to be in Vegas

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Speaker 15: watching National Rugby League, I got it again, got to give.

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Speaker 14: Pv All credit here for a bit of publishing.

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Speaker 3: Nothing nothing venture, nothing gains. But of course that first

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Speaker 3: weekend the Warriors are playing. So I'm if we could

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Speaker 3: get Donald Trump to say up the Wars, that would

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Speaker 3: make my day.

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Speaker 15: I reckon you should You've got to be on a

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Speaker 15: plane there. You've got to be going over, haven't you?

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Speaker 3: And hah yeah, dreams mate, Hey, thank you.

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Speaker 14: So much for your time, pleasure anytime over.

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Speaker 3: Peterson six pr and yeah, if he does turn up,

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Speaker 3: I wonder if the Warriors are sending Donald Trump a

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Speaker 3: jersey as we speak as well, because that would just

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Speaker 3: be fun to see. Let's just do it anyway. It

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Speaker 3: is sixteen minutes to five now. Much of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: on holiday right now, with anniversary days mostly over the Northilm,

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Speaker 3: but all over the place. So not everybody's working right now,

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Speaker 3: I am, you are whatever, But the politicians are because

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Speaker 3: they're based in Wellington, so we've got a lot of

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Speaker 3: politics around the place. Nichola Willis made an announcement at

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Speaker 3: Wellington Airport and we've also got the Treaty Principles bill

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Speaker 3: submissions have started, all three hundred thousand of them. So

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Speaker 3: Jason Walls, our political editor, has been following Developments joins US.

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Speaker 1: Next Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is now thirteen to five, and Jason Walls

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Speaker 3: joins US now our political editor and the most workiest

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Speaker 3: person in twenty twenty five at Newstalks MBA. You've worked

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Speaker 3: more than everybody else, Jason.

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Speaker 17: Well, it's about quality as well as quantity, Andrew, and

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Speaker 17: you bring both to the table.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was talking about quality and quantity when it

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Speaker 3: came to the Treaty Principle's Bill when I opened up

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Speaker 3: the program today, because there's an awful lot of submissions,

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Speaker 3: but how many are on point?

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Speaker 17: Oh that's the I mean, it's been a long day

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Speaker 17: in terms of the Treaty Principles submissions. Then listen, I'm

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Speaker 17: going to keep it snappy because at this point we

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Speaker 17: all know what the bill is and who is on

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Speaker 17: what side. For example, you know, you know all you

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Speaker 17: already know before they open their mouths who all the

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Speaker 17: four people are. For example, David Seymour.

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Speaker 18: Having a free society where everyone's equal before the law,

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Speaker 18: where you can get a resource of consent to build

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Speaker 18: a home for someone or start a business, there is

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Speaker 18: prosperity is good for all people.

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Speaker 17: And then you've got the Hobson's pledges having a free society,

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Speaker 17: which is also David Seymour, but I can assure you

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Speaker 17: Hobson's pledge were very for the bill. And then you've

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Speaker 17: got people on the other end of the spectrum in

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Speaker 17: terms of you know, Mari Leader Helmet Modlik.

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Speaker 12: This Treaty Principles Bill is a constitutional solution looking for

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Speaker 12: a problem finer.

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Speaker 17: And then you had submitting on behalf of the New

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Speaker 17: Zealand Barus Sales Association Chris Finleyson, who says the principles

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Speaker 17: do not describe the relationship between the Crown and Tangata Fenawa.

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Speaker 19: There are principles that could possibly go in a written constitutional,

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Speaker 19: though they aren't particularly well drafted, but they don't belong

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Speaker 19: in the Treaty of Waitangi Principles built.

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Speaker 17: So a lot of toing and froing and submission started

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Speaker 17: at eight am and they're still going. So there's been

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Speaker 17: a marathon session for James Meager and his Justice Committee.

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Speaker 17: But I'll bring you back to this quote from David

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Speaker 17: Seymour very early this morning, because it was quite cryptic

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Speaker 17: in the way that he said it. Have a listen.

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Speaker 20: Finally, this bill, some will say, may not pass this time,

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Speaker 20: we shall see it. But I can tell you that

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Speaker 20: you are part of something important and inevitable.

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Speaker 17: So that we will see was curious because it's not

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Speaker 17: going to pass. The National Party said that they will

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Speaker 17: not be supporting it, and there's a practically zero percent

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Speaker 17: chance that they will change their mind. Because if you

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Speaker 17: thought the HIKOI was huge in terms of the forty

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Speaker 17: two thousand estimated people that came to Wellington, imagine the

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Speaker 17: size of it if Chris Luxon went back on his

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Speaker 17: word and did support the bill. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 17: what it is that David Seymour is saying there, but

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Speaker 17: the bill will not pass.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did. He said another quote over the

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Speaker 3: last little while as well, where he said it took

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Speaker 3: people a long time to get their heads around the

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Speaker 3: end of life legislation that he proposed, and similarly, they

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Speaker 3: may take people a long time to get their heads

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Speaker 3: around this Treaty Principal's bill and Act and legislation that

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Speaker 3: he's proposing.

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Speaker 17: So you know he is optimistic, yeah, and optimistic he

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Speaker 17: can be. It's good for his brand in terms of

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Speaker 17: the fact that every time the treaty. Principal's bill is mentioned,

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Speaker 17: his polling tends to slide up a little bit. I

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Speaker 17: mean it does go down as well, but for the

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Speaker 17: whole I think it's been quite good for him. So

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Speaker 17: it's in his interest to want to keep this debate

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Speaker 17: going as long as possible.

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Speaker 3: True, And it's also the supporters of this bill will

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Speaker 3: hear that and say if it gets turfed out by

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Speaker 3: National that's not the end of it, and that it

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Speaker 3: is going to be a continuing battle. And so the

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Speaker 3: issue is not going to go away, and you and

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Speaker 3: I will still be discussing it for some months still

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Speaker 3: to come.

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Speaker 17: She's a hope not I'm done with it. I'm so

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Speaker 17: sick of it.

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Speaker 9: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, if not years and possibly decades, so.

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Speaker 17: Then we go, I know, don't do that to me, right.

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis made some statements of Wellington Airport today. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk about that in a few moments time. But she

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Speaker 3: has also indicated that certainly the sale of state owned

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Speaker 3: assets are not off the table.

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Speaker 21: Indeed.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it was an interesting comic by her because privatization

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Speaker 17: was a you'll remember a key theme from David Seymour's

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Speaker 17: speech on Friday, and I'm sure doubt you're no doubt

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Speaker 17: aware of that. It has fully reignited the debate around

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Speaker 17: asset sales in New Zealand, which has got the usual

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Speaker 17: suspects all up in arms about it. In fact, the

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Speaker 17: Green Party has written a letter to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 17: to quote put this issue to bed once and for

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Speaker 17: all by him ruling out states or the sale of

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Speaker 17: public services and key infrastructure. They feel like the Prime

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Speaker 17: Minister's not been entirely truthful in this debate, especially given

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Speaker 17: this interaction in the House in October last year.

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Speaker 22: Are the government's choices to underfund critical infrastructure like our hospitals,

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Speaker 22: our schools and our theories essentially just seeing them up

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Speaker 22: to fail to pave the way for an eventual sell

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Speaker 22: off of these crucial assets that.

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Speaker 3: We all own.

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Speaker 23: The members in a very dark and conspiratorial mood today,

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Speaker 23: I just say, I don't know that we have We

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Speaker 23: have no plans to do any asset sales.

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Speaker 17: So we have no plans to do any asset sales.

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Speaker 17: But contrast that with what Nicola Willis said just this

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Speaker 17: afternoon for some concepts. She was asked about a piece

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Speaker 17: of work The treasure is undertaken to draw up a

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Speaker 17: proposed statement of sale for state owned enterprises owned by

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Speaker 17: the Crown. Here's what she said when asked about the

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Speaker 17: progress of this work.

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Speaker 24: We have asked the Treasury to look at the esse

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Speaker 24: its the government owns and ask itself whether we're doing

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Speaker 24: a good job managing them, why we own them, and

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Speaker 24: whether they're delivering weal to their purpose. And they have

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Speaker 24: identified some areas where they think that the entity is

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Speaker 24: no longer delivering as well as it should to its purpose,

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Speaker 24: and where we should consider other ways of managing that

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Speaker 24: set will getting more from it and we will have

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Speaker 24: more to say about nation.

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Speaker 17: So that does not sound very in line with that.

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Speaker 3: We have no plans to do any asset sales.

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Speaker 17: In fact, Nicola Willis actually went further when she was

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Speaker 17: asked about aligning David Seymour's speech about Quotable Value, which

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Speaker 17: is a company owned by QVO, owned by guess mate.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to it right after six or I'll put

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Speaker 3: that to it, and I thank you for your time

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Speaker 3: to day mister worker Jason Walls.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: In a country where we already build too many houses

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Speaker 13: on productive land. Also, planting trees on that sort of

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Speaker 13: land is criminal and stupid. What this country does is

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Speaker 13: feed the world. But here is where the old freedom

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Speaker 13: of movement and thinking comes in. If you've got one

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Speaker 13: hundred hectors and the person who wants to buy us

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Speaker 13: wants to plant trees, is offering more than the bloke

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Speaker 13: next door who wants to expand us farm and keep sheep.

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Speaker 13: You are now potentially limited by a government that has

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Speaker 13: decided for you what you do with your property, and

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Speaker 13: that's always a fairly tricky area. One day we will

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Speaker 13: work our trees aren't the answer to climate change, and

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Speaker 13: by the time we work that out, reconverting that land

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Speaker 13: won't be possible. So in that sense, this decision basically

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Speaker 13: saves us from ourselves. Back tomorrow at six am the

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Speaker 13: Mic Hosking breakfast with the rain driver of the lam

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Speaker 13: used torg zedb.

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Speaker 3: Yes he's back tomorrow two thirty am. Wake ups now

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Speaker 3: text through what about New Zealand first bill coming up? Yes,

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Speaker 3: New zem versus not supporting David Seymore's processes at the

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Speaker 3: moment because they have their own ideas about this. There

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Speaker 3: is already a Treaty Principles Act on the legislation and

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Speaker 3: New Zealand first wants to reform that thing and they

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Speaker 3: believe that's a better way of doing the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: So this will come and viv says time for a

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Speaker 3: referendum on this bill. I say, yeah, They've got to

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Speaker 3: figure out what the bill is going to say before

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Speaker 3: you can have a referendum on it. That's why we're

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Speaker 3: having this select committee now. In just a few moments time,

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Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about digital nomads. Nicola Willis

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Speaker 3: has announced that they are free to work remotely for

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Speaker 3: up to ninety days in New Zealand. So these are normally,

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Speaker 3: like it, guys who can do programming from anywhere, but

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Speaker 3: it could also be consultants who are consulting from anywhere,

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Speaker 3: people who can use Zoom the whole time, ninety days

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Speaker 3: working remotely in New Zealand. The government certainly believes that

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Speaker 3: this could help short term with our economic growth and

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Speaker 3: the number of who will be traveling here because they

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Speaker 3: can work here without a visa. But the question is

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Speaker 3: can we is there a market like that? Can we

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Speaker 3: support a market like that? Will that market actually turn up?

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Speaker 3: So we'll be talking about this in a few moments time.

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Speaker 3: We're also talking to Hobson's pledge who claim that they

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Speaker 3: weren't on the first day of submissions for the Treaty

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Speaker 3: Principles Act because they were being censored and muzzled, which

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't. So we're going to get on the chimes

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Speaker 3: to have their.

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Speaker 25: Saycome, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 25: for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplicy Alan Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be after very welcome to the program. It is seven

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Speaker 3: minutes after five. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 18: Having a free society where everyone's equal before the law,

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Speaker 18: where you can get a resource of content to build

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Speaker 18: a home for someone or start a business, baddest prosperity,

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Speaker 18: badest good for all people. It perpetuates racism, white supremist

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Speaker 18: views and inequities that colonization has entrenched.

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Speaker 22: We have seen polls showing increased social discontent.

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Speaker 8: It is doing harm.

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Speaker 19: And can legislate to provide that the Earth is flat

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Speaker 19: and so on. It doesn't make it flat. It is

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Speaker 19: arguably beyond the competence of parliaments start interfaring with the

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Speaker 19: Treaty which was signed between the Crown and Mari in

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Speaker 19: eighteen forty.

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Speaker 26: Co governance in central and local governments or privileged access

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Speaker 26: to power through consultation obligations are said to be justified

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Speaker 26: by the treatment. This violates the principle of equality.

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Speaker 3: Yes, submissions are finally underway for the much talked about

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principles Bill. It happened today three hundred thousand submitters

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Speaker 3: thirty four Today we're invited to present to the Justice

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Speaker 3: Select Committee in person. But one lobby group is upset

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Speaker 3: that it was not asked to speak on the first day,

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Speaker 3: and that is Hobson's Pledge. So Elliot Ikulay from Hobson's

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Speaker 3: pledge joins me. Now, hello, Elliott k.

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Speaker 9: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. Why are you upset?

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Speaker 16: No, we're all So we're calling it out. So I

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Speaker 16: think something important in our democracy. We've got to be

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Speaker 16: able to call out these things, and especially if it

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Speaker 16: extends up from the House of Power. So we One

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Speaker 16: thing about us is that we had a swap with

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Speaker 16: an awesome group called Democracy Action, and that was just

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Speaker 16: by happened stance because we found out this morning that

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Speaker 16: we had not had a slot at all given to

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Speaker 16: us either today or on Thursday, which is extraordinary when

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Speaker 16: you think we were one hundred and forty thousand members strong.

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Speaker 16: We speak on all these issues all the time. We're

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Speaker 16: known as educators in it, and we've been throughout New

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Speaker 16: Zealand a lot speaking about this. So extraordinary to find

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Speaker 16: that out, And of course he was a little bit

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Speaker 16: of ruckus at the end of that when the chairperson

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Speaker 16: stated that that indeed was not the case. Well, we've

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Speaker 16: gone back and we found it that no was the case.

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Speaker 16: And just to be clear, we're not saying that he's lying,

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Speaker 16: but that system somewhere in that system it did not

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Speaker 16: go through.

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Speaker 3: Just to be clear, because we asked committee what was

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Speaker 3: that about, and they said that you were invited in

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Speaker 3: the first emails it went out to make a submission,

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Speaker 3: but unfortunately you were not able to respond by the deadline,

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Speaker 3: so those slots were filled up by the submitters. Who did.

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Speaker 3: What do you say to that.

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Speaker 16: I can say that we've got the records, we've got

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Speaker 16: the system, we've got our replies, and then we've got

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Speaker 16: our email that we sent out in there. We have

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Speaker 16: done everything we've got we've got them, we've got them.

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Speaker 16: The evidence is right where we've got it. There's no

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Speaker 16: way that it could be denied simply because we've got

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Speaker 16: the records timestamped and everything.

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Speaker 3: Why would they do that though, I mean, they are

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Speaker 3: a select committee where they they held they listened to

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Speaker 3: pro concerns, they listened to con concerns, they listened to everybody.

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Speaker 3: They've turned around and said you didn't make it by deadline,

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Speaker 3: and you say they don't.

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Speaker 16: Well, absolutely, well we've we've got the receipts. So whatever

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Speaker 16: you're being hearing from over there is utterly inaccurate. It

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Speaker 16: is incorrect. We've got the receipts, and we were on

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Speaker 16: top of this, as you know we would be. So

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure what they're doing over there, or if

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Speaker 16: whether this was mischief or whether it was an honest

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Speaker 16: mistake from some staff member. We don't know. But what

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Speaker 16: we do know is that it was extraordinary that Hobson's

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Speaker 16: pledge of all the civil rights advocacy groups did not

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Speaker 16: get a speaking slot. So we are grateful to Democracy

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Speaker 16: Action are We're grateful for those supporting us.

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Speaker 3: Well, you were claiming, you were claiming of course that

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Speaker 3: you'd be muzzled. You've been claiming that you'd been censored

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Speaker 3: as well, but you swap the spots with Democracy Action

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, and then you got to talk in front

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Speaker 3: of the committee and so you talked to from They

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Speaker 3: did not muzzle or stop you from talking at the

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Speaker 3: stage after you've fulfilled it under under a thing that

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Speaker 3: is allowed under the laws. So that's that they're not

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Speaker 3: doing very well if they are actually censoring you.

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Speaker 16: Well, I don't believe we ever mentioned that we'd sins

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Speaker 16: of all muscled, So somewhere along the line we have

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Speaker 16: been left out. Now I think that's where some very

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Speaker 16: big Christians need to be raised. What was the process?

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Speaker 16: Who was involved in all of that?

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Speaker 3: All right, well that will out and you'll publish that

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Speaker 3: and we'll find out who tells the truth. That is

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Speaker 3: an important thing to do. Meanwhile, you do have it,

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Speaker 3: you say, other people had the essay today, So what

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Speaker 3: did you make of it? Do you feel that the

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Speaker 3: issue is actually being debated?

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Speaker 16: I think that, well, we had a great time. We

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Speaker 16: put forward our position is very strongly in it. The politicians,

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Speaker 16: some of those politicians have spotted quite negatively towards it,

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Speaker 16: and that was a great part. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 16: exactly how democracy is supposed to operate. So we did

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Speaker 16: have a great time. We only had ten minutes to speak,

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Speaker 16: so unfortunately we couldn't take too many questions on that

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Speaker 16: in terms of it was interesting in some of the

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Speaker 16: responses that we're hearing in some of the other submissions.

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Speaker 16: And this is where I get quite a little bit irritated,

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Speaker 16: because there's a real strong sense that those who are

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Speaker 16: supporting it, they many not all, tend to float from

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Speaker 16: white guilt to a type of victimhood and that does

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Speaker 16: not help our people or our nation at all. That

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Speaker 16: it's something that we need to get rid of. So

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Speaker 16: it's one of the things that that we faced up

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Speaker 16: and confronted as well.

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Speaker 3: Erdikla from hoston Spaces, thank you for your retirement is

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Speaker 3: now twelve minutes after five zid be well. The other

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Speaker 3: big thing is that Nicola Willis went to well into

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Speaker 3: the airport and said that the government is relaxing visitor

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Speaker 3: visas to allow tourists to work in the country remotely,

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Speaker 3: they called nomads, and from today visitors who work for

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Speaker 3: overseas companies can do their remote work while holidaying here

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Speaker 3: for up to ninety days. The aim of the government

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Speaker 3: is to get visitors to stay here for longer and

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Speaker 3: to spend more. And they believe there are many, but

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Speaker 3: they don't know the numbers. Tim Alp is the managing

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Speaker 3: director of Liiloh, which is a traveler accommodation provider. He

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Speaker 3: joins you, now, hello, Tim, good Andrew, how are you

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Speaker 3: going good? Is this much of a change? Surely people

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Speaker 3: just bring in their computer and start working anyway, and

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Speaker 3: we don't know whether they're a digital nomad or not. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's definitely the case.

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Speaker 27: We've seen a big spike in that across our properties

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Speaker 27: post COVID, a lot of people coming in and we

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Speaker 27: call them pleasure. So they come in and they work

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Speaker 27: for a couple of weeks, they stay and they look

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Speaker 27: around the city and work during the day. And yeah,

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Speaker 27: so it is there already. But I definitely think this

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Speaker 27: is a really good move by the government.

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Speaker 3: Well, it makes it legal, it makes it you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not on the sneaky sneaky. But the question is

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Speaker 3: will this increase the numbers if we've already got the

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Speaker 3: numbers doing it?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I think it will increase the numbers. I think

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Speaker 27: there's definitely a desire and if we can get the

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Speaker 27: word out there globally that you can come to you

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Speaker 27: Zealand and as you say, you can legally work and

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Speaker 27: travel and do your work while you're here. I think

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Speaker 27: that's a great thing. And so I think, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 27: increase the numbers. To what degree, we don't know, but

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Speaker 27: as said, we're already starting to see it. We're designing

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Speaker 27: our properties around that so you can work for wherever

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Speaker 27: you are. And so I definitely think the days of

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Speaker 27: the old business center in the windowless room are over,

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Speaker 27: and I think people will actually be able to work

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Speaker 27: whilest their travel.

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Speaker 3: How will they know, I mean, how are we going

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Speaker 3: to tell them we're open for digital nomad business.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, that's the biggest challenge I see, Andrew. So I

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Speaker 27: think you know, Tourism New Zealand do a great job

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Speaker 27: promoting New Zealand on a pretty tight budget. We've got

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Speaker 27: to get out there. We've changed the working holiday visas,

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Speaker 27: we've changed this digital nomad's visa. We've done all this

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Speaker 27: great stuff, but we're nowver to tell the world. So

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Speaker 27: we've got to get out internationally. We've got to go

874
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 27: to big trade shows. We've got to be telling people

875
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 27: that actually New Zealand is a great destination for that

876
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 27: and you can come and you can work and travel

877
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 27: at the same time.

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00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: All right, And what we're a what eighty six percent

879
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: of what happened before for COVID We just from your

880
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: own personal position from LILO, are our reccommodation providers getting by?

881
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 21: We need more?

882
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 27: Definitely we're getting by, but it's we're definitely not to

883
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 27: where we need to be. I mean, I think the

884
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 27: big thing now is we need to get more events.

885
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 27: So things like Luke Comb's or All Blacks Games and

886
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 27: stuff at Ian Park are huge for the Auckland market.

887
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 27: But I think if we can just keep focusing on

888
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 27: New Zealand should be the biggest export in a tourism

889
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 27: ship for New Zealand. And we said to keep focusing

890
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 27: on promoting ourselves globally.

891
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: Time out, Managing Director of lailoh, I thank you for

892
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: your time. It is five point fifteen. So gosh, this

893
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: little storm that just slammed through Munga Phi, causing incredible

894
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: damage and sucking one poor woman right out of a window.

895
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: It's amazing that there weren't even more serious injuries, but

896
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: just incredible. So we're going to talk to the Kaipro

897
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: mayor in just a few moments time to find out

898
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: how the cleanup is going. After a dramatic day yesterday

899
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: New Sure so b it is now eighteen minutes after

900
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: five boy the storm and Munga Pi. It was short,

901
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: it was sharp, it was specifically violent. Nine home and

902
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: buildings got yellow stickered, eighty one lost their power out

903
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: of the tornado came through. Two people were seriously injured.

904
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: One boke in the motor hub was almost skewed by

905
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: a flying tree. There were about fifty properties in the

906
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: in the beach sediment that were damaged when the storm

907
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: came through early yesterday morning. And of course everybody's asleep

908
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: and suddenly all hell is breaking loose. So today they're

909
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: mopping up, and we are joined by the kai Premier,

910
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: Craig Gipsy and hello Craig.

911
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 9: You got here, and Andrew.

912
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: Hell of an night, a.

913
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 9: Oh man. Keep it going on. But excuse the pun

914
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 9: that we can now see the wood for the trees

915
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 9: see well.

916
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 3: By saying it's still going on as the weather still

917
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: a bit dodgy up there.

918
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 9: No, it's not the weather it's the ongoing commitment to

919
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 9: trying to get things back to normal. We've had a

920
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 9: huge cleanup going on and it's going to continue for

921
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 9: a while.

922
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 8: It's quite. It's quite and tell you to see it.

923
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 9: You don't realize how how effective that storm was destroying stuff.

924
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, short, sharp and violence and I really

925
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: did the blue houses apart the power. Where is the

926
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: power going to come back on? Because we're hearing that

927
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: might be delayed.

928
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, they've discovered that there's two power poles that have

929
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 9: got serious cracks and they've they've had to renew after

930
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 9: renewing most of the ones that have fallen over so

931
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 9: and also they found that there was a transformer that

932
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Speaker 9: needed replacing, so that's kind of slowed things down a bit.

933
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 9: But no Power will have all but thirty customers restored

934
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 9: with power by midnight tonight, and tomorrow they'll clean that up.

935
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Speaker 9: So I'm expecting all power to be restored sometime tomorrow.

936
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: A lot of people displaced, do they all get accommodation?

937
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: It was everyone that We've got one person who required

938
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: emergency accommodation and the welfare team organized this, but other

939
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 5: than that, I think people relied on the generosity of

940
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Speaker 5: friends and family and.

941
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Speaker 9: Other people that stepped up. So that's what communities do

942
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 9: for each other in these situations.

943
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Great, I was going to say, let's talk about the

944
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: community because that's always the designing and defining factor. After

945
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: something was horrific, as is, how are they responding.

946
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 9: Oh, look brilliantly. That's what's expected here in the Cipriate district.

947
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 9: You know, we had that with Gabriel as well. People

948
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 9: do they just step up in the generosity is of Kiwis.

949
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Speaker 1: You know.

950
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Speaker 9: One of our problems has actually been to try and

951
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 9: hold people back from wanting to help, simply because of

952
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 9: the power line situation made it dangerous to be in there.

953
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: It couldn't have happened in a worse weekend because it's

954
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: Ilka the anniversary and you were pretty full.

955
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's true. You know, people have been very respectful.

956
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 8: We haven't had rubberneckers down there. It's been I think

957
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 8: I could say that we've.

958
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 9: Had a great response from our emergency services, particularly our

959
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 9: power people North Power. But you know, for example, today

960
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 9: the news and response team from Orkan came up. They

961
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 9: were about twenty four of them and they linked up

962
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 9: with counselors and myself and we went door knocking. There's

963
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 9: a lot of people there, I would imagine who are

964
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 9: very traumatized by the sevent When you imagine it came

965
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 9: and it went. It came with a raw the noise

966
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 9: of it, and it was incredible and then fifteen probably

967
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 9: only about fifteen seconds in your houses no more so

968
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 9: it was frightening for him.

969
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: Well, mate, it sounds that your community is good. It

970
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 3: sounds like you're getting through it and I'd like to

971
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: thank you for taking your time out to tell us

972
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: all what's happening. Craig Jeffson is the mayor of Kuipra.

973
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: Mangafi is a town that's been hit. It is five

974
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: twenty two.

975
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

976
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: drive home, it's Andrew dickens on hither duplessy Alan drive

977
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs they'd

978
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: be yes.

979
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: This is five twenty five. Here comes to school year

980
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five and not before time. Love you dearly,

981
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: but please go back to school. This year seven new

982
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: charter schools open their doors and so far they have

983
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: to be judged of success because they have been swamped

984
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: with applications, and at the end of the day, a

985
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: school is judged by its users or if you would

986
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: like its clients, And if the schools are offering a

987
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: service that is desirable to the marketplace of parents, then

988
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: that's a greater measure of its success than the concerns

989
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: of a few indentured and inflexible education experts who say

990
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: this is just the wrong way to do things. Now,

991
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: in particular, I want to make mention the Maori centered

992
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: Dippiny School which has risen on the site of the

993
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: old Saint Stephens in the Bombay Foothills, just out of Aucombe,

994
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: that has received four times as many applications for places

995
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: in their first cohort. Then they can deal with four

996
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: times now. Saint Stephen's has a history. It was a

997
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: successful mildly boarding school for one hundred years. It closed

998
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: after rolls fell and Orkanders have watched those wonderful buildings

999
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: go to rack and ruin and fall apart. You can

1000
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: see them from the Southern Motorway which passes nearby. But

1001
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: now and I drove past it today the buildings are glowing,

1002
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: earthworks are being completed, and a very spiffy new gym

1003
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 3: is rising out of the ground. The new school aims

1004
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: to entrench ti kung and Maori with Anglican values to

1005
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: develop character beyond the curriculum. They're saying they'll do the

1006
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: numeracy in the literacy, the loss to teach ti kung

1007
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: a Maori, the loss to teach religious values as well.

1008
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: It's not cheap. It costs twenty thousand dollars a year,

1009
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: but demand is widespread through all economic levels according to

1010
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: the school. And it's proof that many Maori see the

1011
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: need for a good education. And it's proof that many

1012
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: Mari see the need for a Maori centric education, and

1013
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: they are the clients. It's a poke in the eye

1014
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 3: for those who believe that Maori should not be free

1015
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: to run their own affairs in their own ways, and

1016
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: those who think Maori running their own institutes is in

1017
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: itself a prejudice. If tp and A is a long

1018
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: running success ensuring numeracy and literacy within a Maori centric organization,

1019
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: there is no recent to doubt that there might be others.

1020
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: It will also be proof that we could see Malory

1021
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: running all sorts of other institutions. For instance, they could

1022
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: run their own health facilities, so you know, Tippany, I

1023
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: wish you only the best. I'd like to advise that

1024
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: loads of people will be watching carefully, and I have

1025
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 3: to say that most will be hoping for the best,

1026
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: of course, but there will be others hoping for the worst.

1027
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: It's five twenty.

1028
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Seven US talks that'd.

1029
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: Be Niicola worse. After six o'clock today, she's got all

1030
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: the ideas about the nomads and the digital nomads, but

1031
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: she's also been talking about privatization. And so the question

1032
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: I have to ask is, when you know QV apparently

1033
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: has been mentioned. I mean, why do we need the

1034
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: government owning QV? Can anyone tell me why do we

1035
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: need the government over in QV? So that could possibly

1036
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: be up for sale? We will ask us of Nikola

1037
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: Willis just after six o'clock today, and just a few

1038
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 3: moments time though, Greg Barton, who's an expert on Palestine,

1039
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: on President Trump's idea for the Palestinians to go to

1040
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 3: Egypt and Jordan and for the Gaza to be redeveloped

1041
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 3: into some sort of beach PSI condo, because what used

1042
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 3: to be a fantastic beach, you know, Lebanon and Bey

1043
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: Route used to be the Paris of the Mediterranean, but

1044
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 3: no more. But it could be again if Donald Trump

1045
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: has his way, So all this is still to come.

1046
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Dickets fill again for Heather Allen who's on

1047
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: maternity leave. This is the news talks, be.

1048
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Getting the facts discarding the fluff. Is Andrew Dickens on

1049
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: Hither Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get

1050
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: connected news talks.

1051
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 11: It be.

1052
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 10: My name Sam.

1053
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 14: Myself for hours.

1054
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: I'm glad to learn to you. If you're on holiday

1055
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: because of an anniversary day, or if you're working because

1056
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: you're helping our economic growth, I welcome you to the program.

1057
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 3: After my comments about the nay, a bit of feedback

1058
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: on the text ninety two to ninety two small charge applies.

1059
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: Interesting that charter schools is an act policy, given all

1060
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 3: the feedback today about how racist they are. Fair point.

1061
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about this a little bit more with

1062
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: the huddle in just a few moments time now. The

1063
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: closure of the Desert Road for rogue repairs is understandably

1064
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: upset everybody in the transport and logistics field. It's an

1065
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: hour long detour which is lasting quite a long time.

1066
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: It's a major it's going to be felt. It's going

1067
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: to put consumer prices up due to the increase in

1068
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: shipping costs. But like all storms that come to disrupt us,

1069
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: they can also clear the way and do some good.

1070
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 3: So the good people of oh Cuney who have been

1071
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: doing it tough through the winter, because I know they're

1072
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: getting a windfall. Business is booming. Hungry truckers are arriving

1073
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: at Coney and eating the place up, and most notably

1074
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Speaker 3: in the chocolate A clear shop. Now, this is the

1075
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: new name for an old bakery which was always run

1076
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: by a local identity by the name of Johnny Nation

1077
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: who had big ears. And I know this because I

1078
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: used to work in Cerney. I was the breakfast announcer

1079
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: on Mountain Radio two weeks so for a winter, and

1080
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Speaker 3: our studios were right beside Johnny's Bakery. And Johnny Nation's

1081
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: Bakery was famous for what their chocolate are claars, and

1082
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: I can confirm they are magnificent. I can also confirm

1083
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: I've just suggested to the Marcus Lush Show, who makes

1084
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: the best chocolate clears in the land and see whether

1085
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: the claims that Johnny Nations are the best are the best?

1086
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: Which they are, but there we go. They'll think about

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Speaker 3: that tonight. These chocolate clears are so magnificent that they

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Speaker 3: are selling eleven hundred a day. That's a lot of chocolate.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of a cleare, and that's a lot

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Speaker 3: of money going to a place that has been doing

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Speaker 3: it tough. And that's a good thing. Twenty two to

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Speaker 3: six z me okay. Donald Trump has described Gaza as

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Speaker 3: a demolition site and suggested to clean the whole thing,

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Speaker 3: clean out the whole thing exact words, either temporarily or

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Speaker 3: for the long term to allow rebuild. He wants Egypt

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Speaker 3: and jaw Or to take in Palestinian some Gaza. It's

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Speaker 3: not the first time he's floated this idea. Last week

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Speaker 3: he said this.

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Speaker 2: You know, Garza is interesting.

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Speaker 11: It's a phenomenal location on the sea, best weather, you know,

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Speaker 11: everything's good. It's like some beautiful things could be done

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Speaker 11: with it.

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Speaker 3: It is a beautiful place. It used to be a

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Speaker 3: beautiful place, and then it wasn't. Greg Barton is Deacon

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Speaker 3: University's Professor of Global Islamic Politics at Australia and joins

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Speaker 3: us now good a Greg, good day, good to be

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Speaker 3: with he second time in a week he's talked about

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Speaker 3: this idea. How serious do you think it is?

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Speaker 6: Pretty serious? I think he's flying a kite to see

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Speaker 6: what sort of response he gets, what he can get

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Speaker 6: away with. So Donald Trump typically will say things that,

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Speaker 6: you know, a contradictory. He will allow himself plausible deniability,

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Speaker 6: so he could walk his way back from this one.

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Speaker 6: But clearly he's got an interest to see whether it's

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Speaker 6: got traction. What he's expressing has been expressed by the

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Speaker 6: fire right elements of the current Israeli government, and to

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Speaker 6: be fair, even Joe Biden's administration did speak to Jordan

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Speaker 6: and Egypt about whether they could take some of the

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Speaker 6: people of Gaza. Different motivations, but I mean the idea

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Speaker 6: has been out there. People in Gaza very worried about this.

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Speaker 6: They worry that they're being pushed off their land. Trump

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Speaker 6: may not go through with this, but he's giving it

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Speaker 6: a try to see what it might flye.

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Speaker 3: Well, the United States was traditionally or recently anyway, a

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Speaker 3: proponent of the two states solution. But in suggesting this

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Speaker 3: where you can't have a two states solution when you've

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Speaker 3: moved everybody into Egypt, do you think he's going back

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Speaker 3: on that the things are changing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think if Donald Trump has his way, and

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Speaker 6: bear in mind, he's not deeply ideological. He's transactional and

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Speaker 6: he'll pick his fights, and you know, he like nothing

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Speaker 6: but have been being a winner. He's not going to

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Speaker 6: die in a ditch over this. But in Donald Trump's

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Speaker 6: own mind, there's no deep commitment to a two state

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Speaker 6: solution or a peace process or indeed sort of broad

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Speaker 6: conceptions of justice. He's got a very different view than

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Speaker 6: what America has held traditionally. But his view may not hold.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: Look, here's the thing about big transactional and just going

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Speaker 3: for quick wins and stuff. Because some people were surprised

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Speaker 3: when Donald Trump forced Benjamin Nettuna who to sign the

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Speaker 3: seas fire deal with Hamas. Could it be that he

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Speaker 3: was going for this idea which was supported by the

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Speaker 3: far rights in Israel? And could that have had anything

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Speaker 3: to do with it?

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Speaker 6: Certainly possible. I think one of the factors at play

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Speaker 6: with both of US and Netna whose government, is the

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Speaker 6: unpredictability of Donald Trump. From their perspective, they just don't

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Speaker 6: know what he might do. They know he's given to

1151
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Speaker 6: blossom bluster. He himself famously in that book that his

1152
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Speaker 6: name is on the Art of the Deal, said that,

1153
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 6: you know, part of the deal making is to put

1154
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Speaker 6: outrageous claims upfront and see what he can get away

1155
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Speaker 6: with test people. So perhaps that's what he's doing, but

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Speaker 6: it does mean that for anyone dealing with him, they

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Speaker 6: can't be certain. So I think Amas was genuinely anxious

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Speaker 6: that things make it worse under Donald Trump. I think

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Speaker 6: Nettna who Willso I thought better to take a verd

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Speaker 6: in the hand than risk uncertainty. It's almost inevitable that

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Speaker 6: there's been the floating of this idea and other sort

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Speaker 6: of ideas that would please far right elements of the

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Speaker 6: cabinet in Israel. It doesn't mean that Trump is going

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Speaker 6: to commit himself to going through with it, but this

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Speaker 6: is certainly inching closer to being something they're going to

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Speaker 6: try and put on. It's worth nerving too that his

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump's son in law, Shared Kushna, has been part

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Speaker 6: of real estate consortium's looking at having Jewish settlements in

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Speaker 6: Gaza and sort of great real estate deals on the

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Speaker 6: beach front.

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Speaker 3: But do you think he realizes how deeply this resonates

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Speaker 3: with Arab nations, because if you go back to nineteen

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Speaker 3: forty eight, the movement of Palestinians out of what they

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Speaker 3: thought was their homeland was as kind of like what

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Speaker 3: started this whole thing off.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he understands that history or cares about it.

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Speaker 6: What he does care about, though, is his relationship with

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Speaker 6: Mohammad bin some One, the crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 6: Yah MBS yours, Yes, that's right and NBS. Trump recently

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Speaker 6: approached NBS and said, look, you know, maybe we could

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Speaker 6: pick it up the deal we had talked about last

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Speaker 6: time when I was president, and NBS came back and said, sure,

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Speaker 6: we'll increase it. I think he spoke of a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 6: NBS also is pretty good at negotiating, perhaps better than

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump. But there's a transactual interest on both sides there.

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Speaker 6: And of course, one of the hallmark policy visions of

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Speaker 6: the previous Trump government was this idea of Abraham Accords

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Speaker 6: and peace between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which makes a

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Speaker 6: lot of people angry because it covers over what we're

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Speaker 6: just discussing, that history of occupation, but it also potentially

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Speaker 6: opens the way forward opens the way forward for Saudi

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Speaker 6: and other Arab support for Redoo and the Gaza strip

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Speaker 6: with a new Palaestin the administration. So the devil was

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Speaker 6: very much the details. And it could be something that

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Speaker 6: is a force for good, you know, a very difficult situation,

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Speaker 6: or it could be something that just further adds to injustice.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Greg Barton is the Professor of

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Speaker 3: Global Islamic Politics at the Dickin University, which is in Australia.

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Speaker 3: It is now sixteen minutes to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand's Southerbeast International Realty, Local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no huddle today. Jose Pegani from Chavan the CEO

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Speaker 3: and David Farah from Kiwi Barga Courier Posters. Hello people,

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Speaker 3: Hello ill, let's just talk about what we've just been

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Speaker 3: talking about. What did you make David of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 3: floating the idea of clearing out Gaza.

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Speaker 21: This is Egypt and Jordan's worst nightmare and will never happen.

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Speaker 21: Egypt built a wall to keep Palestinians and Gaza out

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Speaker 21: of Egypt. People forget there's a wall on both sides.

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Speaker 21: Jordan controlled the West Bank for nineteen years before nineteen

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Speaker 21: sixty seven. They didn't set up a Palestinian government. They

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Speaker 21: didn't say to Palestinians, cume liv and Jordan, you can

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Speaker 21: be part of Jordan, etc. They do not want a

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Speaker 21: huge influx of Palestinians into.

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Speaker 28: Jordan and Egypt.

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Speaker 21: And they probably have to almost feel sorry for their

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Speaker 21: leaders because they've seen at home. They think we'll go

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Speaker 21: good relationship with Trump and then he comes out with

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Speaker 21: this half formed thought and this only having to deal

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Speaker 21: with that.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's just not

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Speaker 2: gain happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Josie, as Greg Barton just said, you know,

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Speaker 3: he starts high, ends out low. He brings in new ideas,

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Speaker 3: something might happen. And as he said, maybe that the

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Speaker 3: Saudis might come in and rebuild Gaza.

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Speaker 29: For everybody, Well, we hope this ends up is that

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Speaker 29: the regional powers around Gaza have got to step up, right.

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Speaker 29: So that's Egypt, it's Jordan, it's the Saudis, it's Syria,

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Speaker 29: it's the new leadership in Syria. And hopefully where this

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Speaker 29: ends up is that, of course it has to be

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Speaker 29: an Arab led rebuild. It can't be a rebuild that's

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Speaker 29: led by the US or even the EU, although everybody's

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Speaker 29: going to have to be part of it.

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Speaker 28: I mean, as.

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Speaker 29: ChildFund Andrew, we're in Garza, We've got partners in Gaza,

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Speaker 29: and we're working, you know, to try and rebuild already,

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Speaker 29: and it's incredible. I mean, there's fifty million tons of

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Speaker 29: rubble let alone, the forty two thousand casualties, most of

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Speaker 29: whom are children and women. So it's a huge, huge rebuild,

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Speaker 29: and it's going to cost about fifty billion, and you

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Speaker 29: cannot do it without those regional partners there. So I hope,

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Speaker 29: in this sort of disruptive, obnoxious way that Trump has

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Speaker 29: of trying to insert himself into global politics, if we

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Speaker 29: end up in a place where the Arab states around

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Speaker 29: Gaza are putting pressure on Israel to say, hey, you

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Speaker 29: have to support the Palestinian authority as an alternative to Humas.

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Speaker 29: There has to be a government in Palestine that we

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Speaker 29: can work with, and there has to be a two

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Speaker 29: state solution.

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Speaker 3: That Cent isn't. It's some people think he's a genius,

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Speaker 3: others think he's just lucky. Whatever, he's certainly interesting. So

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Speaker 3: now here's the thing. David Farrah made some submissions to

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Speaker 3: the Treaty Principles build today if you didn't know that,

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk about.

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Speaker 1: That next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 3: Agani and David Farrerh are on the huddle today. The

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Speaker 3: Treaty Principal's Bill submissions started and David, you made a submission.

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Speaker 3: So how did it go and was it constructive?

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Speaker 21: I was pleasantly surprised that went well, as in all

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Speaker 21: the questions we're genuinely engaging with my submission rather than gotchas,

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Speaker 21: which they often are. And I pose a bit of

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Speaker 21: a challenge to the MPs because we all know this

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Speaker 21: bill won't pass. But the point I made is should

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Speaker 21: Parliament remain silent on what the principles of the trity are,

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Speaker 21: having stuck it into thirty pieces of legislation and leave

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Speaker 21: it to judiciary is actually a dereliction of duty. If

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Speaker 21: you do that, then you're going to get politicized judges

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Speaker 21: like in the US. So what I said is why

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Speaker 21: doesn't each political party put forward their own version of

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Speaker 21: what they think the principle should be? And then start negotiating,

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Speaker 21: see what common ground there is, and then you actually

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Speaker 21: can have a debate about what of the principle is

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Speaker 21: most correct. But just saying we're going to do nothing

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Speaker 21: and leave the status crime place, I think it's a

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Speaker 21: very bad idea. And like I said, the NPS engaged

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Speaker 21: with that. They talked about the pros and cons of

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Speaker 21: Parliament are working to define the principles which would not

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Speaker 21: necessarily be the principles there are at that in the

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Speaker 21: Act Party Bill.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's good that you found a constructive because Hobbs's

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Speaker 3: pledge did not. They are annoy that they didn't get

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Speaker 3: pictures of it on the first day, so they swapped

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Speaker 3: spots of another group to make sure they were heard.

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Speaker 3: Today the committee said you responded too late, and Hobbs's

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Speaker 3: pledge to say, no, we know, we have the receipts

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Speaker 3: to prove it. So should they have waited their turn, Josie,

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Speaker 3: because well, they were going to speak. It's not that

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Speaker 3: they weren't going to speak, and they claim that they've

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Speaker 3: been censored and muzzled.

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Speaker 29: To be honest, though, Andrew, you know, it's not really

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Speaker 29: the big issue, is it. I mean, they got to speak,

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Speaker 29: they can have a little argument behind the scenes as

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Speaker 29: to who said what when and whose emails were a

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Speaker 29: record of what happened. But the real issue is exactly

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Speaker 29: the stuff David was just talking about, which is, you know,

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Speaker 29: how do we deal with a discussion about the Treaty?

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Speaker 29: And I think the problem with the Treaty Principal's bill

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Speaker 29: is that it's trying to insert another legal mechanism into

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Speaker 29: something that's already our constitutional document, i e. The Treaty

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Speaker 29: or White Tongy. And if you think about the US Constitution,

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Speaker 29: for example, I mean, imagine the divisions that you or

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Speaker 29: further divisions you were causing the US if you suddenly

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Speaker 29: introduced a bill to interpret the Constitution. So you know,

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Speaker 29: for example, US Constitution is something like right to bear arms. Well,

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Speaker 29: they of course they don't mean you can get muskets

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Speaker 29: and start having vigilante groups like they did in the

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Speaker 29: seventeen hundreds. What they mean is you've got a right

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Speaker 29: to own a gun. So Americans can debate that, as

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Speaker 29: you know, and they do all the time, about whether

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Speaker 29: that's something you should or shouldn't do, But you don't

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Speaker 29: need another legal mechanism to insert in the middle of it.

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Speaker 29: Where you're just going to make things worse. And that's

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Speaker 29: the problem with this Treaty's principle Bill. And the other

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Speaker 29: problem with it is that it's basically a contract, right,

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Speaker 29: It's like a trade treaty or a visa free treaty

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Speaker 29: or whatever. Certain obligations, certain responsibilities have been promised to Marty,

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Speaker 29: and I would say a really good example of that is,

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Speaker 29: I know you've been talking about it, Andrew, the charter schools,

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Speaker 29: which are a devolution to Marty to run their own education.

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Speaker 29: So there are modern ways of interpreting the treaty without

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Speaker 29: having this sort of disruptive Treaties Principal Bill.

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Speaker 3: Now, the other big thing that happened today is that

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis came out and said we can have a

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Speaker 3: ninety day visa for digital nomads. Now I have a

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Speaker 3: problem with this and that digital nomads are already digitally

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Speaker 3: nomading already, David. So is this actually going to be

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Speaker 3: increased numbers that are coming to New Zealand if they're

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Speaker 3: already doing it.

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Speaker 21: I suspect it will be more legalizing what's happening, because

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Speaker 21: in theory, if you're here on the tourist visa and

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Speaker 21: you're spending twenty hours a week in your earbnb doing

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Speaker 21: back home etc. You know, you're working around in New Zealan.

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Speaker 21: So they're probably already doing it, and this just means

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Speaker 21: you can now do it without feeling.

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Speaker 3: Guilty now of course, but my question, the whole big

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Speaker 3: thing here is we need short term measures that increase

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Speaker 3: economic growth. And I'm giving a feeling, just a suspicion

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Speaker 3: that nobody knows how this will affect growth because no

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Speaker 3: one knows the numbers well, because nobody knows how many

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Speaker 3: people are working this way already already.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, I think that the only thing that we'll do

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Speaker 29: in terms of economic growth is attract the kind of

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Speaker 29: tourists that will come here now for you know, longer,

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Speaker 29: so they can get potentially a nine month visa doing

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Speaker 29: this stuff, or you know, extend their existing visitor visa.

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Speaker 29: So it will attract a different kind of tourists who,

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Speaker 29: as you say that they're already doing this anyway. I

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Speaker 29: mean I travel to different countries for work and I

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Speaker 29: do it all the time, so they're already doing it.

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Speaker 29: I thought it was interesting though the OECD has identified

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Speaker 29: a sort of long term problem with this, is that

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Speaker 29: so if we increase the number of digital nomads all

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Speaker 29: over the world who are basically not paying tax in

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Speaker 29: the country that they're in, you could actually risk a

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Speaker 29: decline in global revenues from income tax.

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Speaker 3: It's in your text base. No very good, Josey beginning,

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Speaker 3: David Farah, you've been brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Red or Blue?

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Speaker 1: Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The

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Speaker 1: latest on the US election? It's hither duplicy, Alan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected, use talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: New Talks. It'd be so. Nicola Willis is joining me

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Speaker 3: right after the news, and the question will be how

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Speaker 3: many more digital nomads will come to New Zealand with

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Speaker 3: the changes to the law, since we now all admit

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Speaker 3: that they're already coming here, we just don't know because

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Speaker 3: they're digitally nomadding the whole sort of thing. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's after the sex O'CTT news. Marilyn Rice Mean says

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Speaker 3: Johnny Nation's Chocolate of Clears are the best in the world.

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Speaker 3: I love them. If I know anyone going through ohacony,

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Speaker 3: I asked them to buy me a cup because they

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Speaker 3: are frankly amazing and then she puts four exclamation marks afterwards.

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Speaker 3: So are Johnny Nation's chocolate to clear is the best

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand? Are they indeed the best in the world?

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Speaker 3: The yummy as for sure? News and Sports Next, I'm Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 3: This is News Talks, Empire.

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Speaker 2: Man keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hendrew Dickens, New Stalks Envy.

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Speaker 3: It's good evening to you. Seven minutes after six and

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Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Dickens. Nicola was just a second. Kimi Rail

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Speaker 3: and NAPI Port have come up with an idea using

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Speaker 3: rail to keep forestry production in business and keep logging

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Speaker 3: trucks up the road. And that makes Hawk's Bay residents happy.

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Speaker 3: So what is the deal? How's that going to work?

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Speaker 3: We'll run you through that at about six thirty five

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Speaker 3: this morning, but right now it's time to say for

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Speaker 3: a regular catch up. Good evening to Nicola. Was Finance Minister. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 3: So this afternoon you announced the tourist free to work remotely.

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Speaker 3: They call them, you know what do they call them?

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Speaker 3: They call them digital nomad?

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Speaker 24: Digital nomads, that's right, people who are wanting a bit

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Speaker 24: of a workation and.

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Speaker 3: They can do it for up to ninety days in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. How big is this market?

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Speaker 24: Well, around the world there are several countries who have

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Speaker 24: actively said, look, you can come and visit our country

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Speaker 24: and keep working remotely while you're here, And apparently it's

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Speaker 24: a very large market already today, I've had people tell

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Speaker 24: me that their contacts in the US, particularly those in

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Speaker 24: LA have said, look, that could be really interesting for

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Speaker 24: me because I'm rebuilding my home and having somewhere to

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Speaker 24: base myself that's also beautiful and wonderful, and where I

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Speaker 24: can keep working in my digital business is very attractive indeed,

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Speaker 24: And for us Andrew, that means more money going through

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Speaker 24: the toils of our accommodation providers and all of that

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Speaker 24: good stuff, and more GST for the government books as well.

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Speaker 3: A bit of kid kid I used to coach soccer

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Speaker 3: who's currently digitally nomadding it's himself somewhere in Asia but

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Speaker 3: working for a Wellington company. But the question I asked

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Speaker 3: you is how big is the market? Like how many

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Speaker 3: people are we talking here?

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Speaker 24: Well, we are yet to see that. Officials find it

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Speaker 24: very difficult to estimate how many more visitor visas we

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Speaker 24: will get out of this. What we know is that

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Speaker 24: right now we're still fifteen percent below the tourism levels

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Speaker 24: we were in twenty nineteen, So we know we've got

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Speaker 24: big capacity for growth and we'll be tracking those numbers

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Speaker 24: very closely. What I can anticipate happening is that one

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Speaker 24: you'll get a new group of visitors who might not

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Speaker 24: otherwise have contemplated coming here. He'll be comfortable, they can

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Speaker 24: keep in touch with their job. The other thing will

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Speaker 24: get I think, is people staying longer, because you'll have

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Speaker 24: that person who comes over for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 24: falls in love with the place, or falls in love

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Speaker 24: with a kiwi and then says, well, I want to

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Speaker 24: extend my stay. How can I do that while staying

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Speaker 24: in touch with my workface And the answer is you can.

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Speaker 24: The visa allows you to do it. Please stay for

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Speaker 24: a bit longer, spend more money in New Zealand.

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Speaker 14: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: Understand the concept that again is about just how many

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Speaker 3: people are out there. Whether it's actually going to make

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Speaker 3: an impact on our economic growth.

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Speaker 24: Well, we think it will make an impact on economic

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Speaker 24: growth because every tourist that comes to New Zealand benefits

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Speaker 24: our bottom line. That's what supports people who are working

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Speaker 24: for tourism providers, who are working accommodation providers, restaurants, cafes.

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Speaker 24: The more people they have coming through their doors and spending,

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Speaker 24: the better that is for our economy as a whole.

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Speaker 24: It means more jobs can be supported, it means more

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Speaker 24: money can go into the tills of our local community.

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Speaker 24: It is positive on the short term and in the

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Speaker 24: long term. Andrew, these are smart people. These are people

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Speaker 24: with really great skills. Otherwise their employers wouldn't let them

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Speaker 24: work on the other side of the world.

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Speaker 29: And we want connections.

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Speaker 3: So have you capt it ninety days so it stays

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Speaker 3: in line with the ninety days with it we have

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Speaker 3: in our employment laws, so people can actually figure out

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Speaker 3: whether they're worth it to stay here or not.

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Speaker 24: Well, we've actually said this can be for up to

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Speaker 24: nine months, and the cases of many people, they will

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Speaker 24: extend it for that long. And that's just simply a

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Speaker 24: reflection of our current visitor visa settings which allow people

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Speaker 24: to visit New Zealand for up to nine months on

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Speaker 24: tourism visa. And we're saying if you're on that kind

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Speaker 24: of visa, you're allowed to work remotely for it for

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Speaker 24: as long as you like within that nine month period.

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Speaker 3: Now. Bernard Hiccky this morning said that your economic growth

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Speaker 3: plan relies on tourists flooding into the country, but you

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Speaker 3: don't want to invest in tourism, infrastructure and housing. So

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Speaker 3: is that a fair criticism.

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Speaker 24: Well, I think he's mischaracterizing our growth plan. It's not

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Speaker 24: just about tourism. We're also looking at what we can

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Speaker 24: do across the economy to facilitatestract legislation, driving productivity through

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Speaker 24: other means.

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Speaker 3: He said, your short term economic growth.

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Speaker 24: Well, look, we do need some quick ones. The economy

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Speaker 24: is suffering right now in too many New Zealanders and

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Speaker 24: businesses are feeling the consequences of that. And as we

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Speaker 24: look to the future, yes, we will have to invest

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Speaker 24: together with communities and more infrastructure. We're a government with

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Speaker 24: a big transport infrastructure plan, big investment plans down the pipe.

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Speaker 24: But as I said, right now, we're still fifteen percent

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Speaker 24: below the levels of tourism we were achieving five years ago.

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Speaker 24: So we know this capacity for more growth and it's

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Speaker 24: up to us to make it easier for people to

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Speaker 24: come here.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Treasury has been reviewing the government assets. People are calling

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Speaker 3: you to do that asset recycling? Are you going to

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Speaker 3: be making a decision on that? And can I also

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Speaker 3: say the jungle drums are beating saying you might sell QV.

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Speaker 24: Well, look, I want to see New Zealand manage its

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Speaker 24: existing assets a lot better. So I've been working with

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Speaker 24: Treasury looking at all of the assets we own. That's

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Speaker 24: everything from QV through to dozens of farms owned by

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Speaker 24: Land Corp. Many assets, and I've been asking Treasury to

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Speaker 24: tell me one are they being managed well to the

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Speaker 24: greatest benefit for New Zealanders? And two is there a

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Speaker 24: good purpose for us owning them? And what can we

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Speaker 24: do to make sure we get more value out of

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Speaker 24: that investment in the future. So that's advice that the

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Speaker 24: Cabinet has yet to But as we look to the future,

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Speaker 24: we've got to make the most of our assets. We've

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Speaker 24: got to invest wisely because we know for a fact

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Speaker 24: we need more hospitals, we need more schools, we need

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Speaker 24: more roads, we need more public transport infrastructure. So that's

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Speaker 24: where our priority lies. And making sure our dollars are

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Speaker 24: going where our priorities.

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Speaker 3: Are well, we're all itching to hear. We want to

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Speaker 3: know when.

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Speaker 24: Well, look the Prime Minister has been clear that we're

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Speaker 24: not planning on selling any of our major state assets

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Speaker 24: this term. But what I intend to set out for

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Speaker 24: the New Zealand people is a much clearer picture of

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Speaker 24: the broad range of assets that the government currently owns

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Speaker 24: and I think New Islanders would be surprised at some

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Speaker 24: of the things that we own. And then we need

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Speaker 24: to go to the question of do we think that

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Speaker 24: that's the best way for that money, which is ultimately

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Speaker 24: tax pers money to be used and are there better options?

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Speaker 24: The bottom line for me though, is we have to

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Speaker 24: be able to deliver at least has got a service

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Speaker 24: preferably better, and deliver real value for the tax pay

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Speaker 24: not just in the short term but the long term too.

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Speaker 3: Nicolar words, as Minister, I thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: your time. It is fourteen minutes after six and initial

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Speaker 3: reaction from you. Brett says, all the nomads are in

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Speaker 3: Shang Mai. Thank you. C says will these digital nomads

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Speaker 3: be required to travel, carry travel insurance health insurance or

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Speaker 3: will they piggyback off the rate player and the taxpayers

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand. Debra says, what will this do to

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Speaker 3: the rental market and it's the government looking after its

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 3: own people first. And someone writes, what a load of

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 3: rubbish digital workers, digital nomads are working when they're here.

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Speaker 3: Now there are no numbers. We will get zero more visitors.

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Speaker 3: So that's your initial reaction. It is fourteen minutes after

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Speaker 3: six This is the News Talks a B and in

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Speaker 3: just a few moments time Mark Lister from Craig's Investment Partners.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither due for c Ellen with the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: and maas Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future,

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 3: V News Talks at B six seventeen as time for

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Speaker 3: a look at the markets. It's been a huge week

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Speaker 3: for US tech companies Meta, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and Tesler

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Speaker 3: all reporting this week. Mark Listener is from Craig Investment

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Speaker 3: Partners and he's with me right now.

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Speaker 28: Hello Mark, Gooday, how you going, Andrew?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. What are you expecting from these particular companies results?

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Speaker 28: Well, I expect them to look solid. We won't hear

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01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 28: from quite all of those ones you mentioned.

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Speaker 9: This week.

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Speaker 28: Meta, Microsoft, and Tesla will report on Wednesday, so we

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01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 28: will hear from them on Thursday morning. New Zealand time,

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 28: and then Apple will follow the next day, so Thursday,

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Speaker 28: and the US Friday, and New Zealand. I think Amazon

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 28: might be a week after that, and Nvidia, which is

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01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 28: obviously the highest profile of all of them, will be

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Speaker 28: next week as well. But still you've got four of

1555
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 28: the Magnificent seven reporting this week, and they represent those

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01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 28: four collectively about eighteen percent of the S and P

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Speaker 28: five hundred by size. So where they go, the US

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01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 28: sheer market goes. They've obviously been performing exceptionally well over

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 28: the last few years, and if the reporting season so

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Speaker 28: far is anything to go by and the performance of

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Speaker 28: these companies in recent quarters, I think you'll see some

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Speaker 28: solid numbers and it should look very impressive.

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Speaker 3: So Mediteza and Amazon, their bosses have been courting favor

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: that the original question was publicly sacking up to but

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: I thought that was a bit vulgar personally, so I've

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Speaker 3: decided their bosses have been courting favor with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Would you expect their businesses to get a significant boost

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Speaker 3: from his presidency?

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Speaker 28: Well, look hard to know. I don't think there's anything

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01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 28: too specific in the policy settings that we're expecting from

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,879
Speaker 28: Trump to impact them. Dramatically. To be honest, these businesses

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 28: are all in pretty good shape already, and they are

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01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 28: marching to the beat of their own drum, and they

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 28: are all in fundamentally good shape. So maybe it's just

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01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 28: a wise or a stu move on their part to

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Speaker 28: make sure they're in the good books with the current

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 28: regime as a bit of an insurance policy. But I

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01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 28: don't think there's anything completely obvious that we'll see out

1579
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 28: of the Trump potential policy playbook that will will dramatically

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Speaker 28: change the landscape. It's more about the US economy and

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01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 28: it's about the growth in AI and what's happening in

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Speaker 28: these individual businesses. But they're all exceptionally good companies that

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Speaker 28: have been performing very very well.

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Speaker 16: Well.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an example of the Trump playbook in

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: just a few moments time. We're calling it the biggest

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Speaker 3: flip flop in history, but I'll have details for it

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Speaker 3: right after you. One final question. The Fair Reserve have

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Speaker 3: their next interest rate decision on Thursday morning, our time,

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Speaker 3: and what are you expecting.

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Speaker 28: I think they will pause, so I think they will

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Speaker 28: do nothing with interest rates, which is kind of interesting

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01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 28: because they you go back to the middle of last year,

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01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 28: and their OCR the equivalent was at five and a

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01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 28: half sent same as US. We've obviously been coming as

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01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 28: have they. We've ended up at four and a quarter

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 28: and will be in the threes but within a month's time,

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Speaker 28: because we'll cut another fifty in February. But they're down

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Speaker 28: at four and a half, and I think they'll stop

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Speaker 28: here and just hold the line for a little while.

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 28: You know, you will see a couple more cuts over

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01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 28: the course of this year, but they're going to go

1603
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 28: a lot slower. So you've got that unusual situation where

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01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 28: the US ocr is higher than that of New Zealand,

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 28: and that's unusual. You don't see it very often, and

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 28: I think that's why the currency is obviously in the doldrums.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely I get that, because you can put your money

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: in a place that can get more interest. BacT Hey,

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01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,560
Speaker 3: Mark listen from Craig Investments Partners. I thank you so

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: much for your time today. Now on the Trump playbook.

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Speaker 3: Here is the fastest flip flopan in world history. The

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 3: White House has said that Columbia has agreed to allow

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 3: the United States to transport repatriated migrants back to the

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01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: country because what happened was two US military planes carry

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Speaker 3: deportees were blocked by Columbia early in the weekend, early

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01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 3: on Sunday and the weekend. So after the Columbian president

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: did that, rejected the planes from landing, Trump turned round

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: and said, right emergency, twenty five percent tariffs on all

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Speaker 3: imports from Columbia. That's going to be raised to fifty

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Speaker 3: percent in a week. There will be a travel band

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01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 3: for Columbian citizens and a ravocation of visas for Columbian

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 3: officials in the United States. So that was on Sunday morning,

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Speaker 3: Sunday evening. So because Monday our time, White House Press

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Speaker 3: Secretary Caroline Never announced that the United States and Columbia

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Speaker 3: had agreed to the unrestricted acceptance of migrants from Columbia

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Speaker 3: and would allow them to be returned to the country,

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Speaker 3: including on US military aircraft, without limitation or delay. A

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01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 3: quick threat. They folded inside twelve hours, the fastest flip

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Speaker 3: flop in history. And that's the Donald Trump playbook right there,

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 3: Start high and things happen. It is six twenty two.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: Business hour, We're a predicts on news Talks, Aby's news Talk.

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Speaker 3: We heard mentioned of AI when we were talking with Mark,

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01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 3: and AI is the big thing. And of course China

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01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: has gone and freaked America out by releasing their own AI,

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: which is just as good as any AI. But think

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 3: about it is it takes a smaller computer to do.

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01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: It doesn't need so much computing thing. And you know

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: what China have done. They've made it open source so

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 3: you can use it and you can adapt it and

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 3: you can do it what you want with it. And

1642
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: this is freaking out the American tech stocks because they're saying, well, okay,

1643
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 3: they're taking away our advantage. We've got AI too, And

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01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: if you listen to all of them, they're talking about

1645
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 3: AI all the time and Elon muskers too. But here

1646
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 3: are the Chinese going, oh, okay, if the world wants

1647
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 3: AI here, it is for free, have it open source

1648
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 3: up to you. So that's going to be a fascinating development.

1649
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 3: But me I wanted to say about AI, I'm not

1650
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 3: a fan of it. I've never been a fan of AI.

1651
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 3: My producer was using AI today, but I never liked

1652
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 3: AI because of the Terminator and Matrix movies where the

1653
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 3: machines become sentient and they realize the greatest threat to

1654
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 3: humanity was humanity itself. Therefore, to make us safe, the

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01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 3: best idea is to get rid of us. I've always

1656
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 3: thought that's actually quite credible that aside I can see

1657
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 3: how AI can make us better, even though it can

1658
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 3: only use ideas that already exist, rather than creating new ones,

1659
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 3: search as the Internet for what already exists and then

1660
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: tells you what's there. That could mean that in a

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: way we're getting a bit dumb down because we're letting

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01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: the machines do our thinking for us, and they can

1663
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: only look backwards and not creatively.

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Speaker 9: Yet.

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Speaker 3: But the latest outrage about AI for me is and

1666
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 3: this is the latest unintended consequence, is stories over the

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01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 3: weekend about AI created child porn. Of course this is interesting,

1668
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 3: this is pictures that are horrific, But is there a

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01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: victim when the victim is not a thing all, it's

1670
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: a AI creative piece of child porn. And of course,

1671
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 3: of course the perverbs were always going to take advantage

1672
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Speaker 3: of the latest technology. Come on, they always have. Look

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01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 3: how quickly they got onto the Internet, and look how

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Speaker 3: big Internet porn became. Now we've got AI created child porn.

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01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: It's another warning to me anyway that AI is the

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01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 3: newest Pandora box and you open it and all sorts

1677
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 3: of evils come out. And good though, it's a development

1678
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: that can do so much good, but it can also

1679
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 3: unleash so many new hells, it's fair to say so.

1680
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 3: Kimi Rail and the Napierport have come up with this

1681
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: idea to get blogs to the port, get trucks off

1682
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: the road, and they're working together, both parties, Kimi Rail

1683
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 3: and naple Port on air with me in five minutes.

1684
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,919
Speaker 2: Crouching the numbers and getting the results. It's all ridiculous.

1685
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: Swim the business our fun news talks V that heavy

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Speaker 2: and m run.

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Speaker 21: Me and.

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Speaker 3: Do Imrew Dickenson for Headdre c Allen or more on

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: that in just a second. Ron's just sent me a

1690
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 3: text post to what I was saying about AI and

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01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 3: child porn before, and he says that people that watch

1692
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 3: child porn are sick, but if AI can save the

1693
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 3: kids from that trauma, then go AI. And that's an

1694
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 3: interesting point because because it's not real, people are saying

1695
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 3: that child porn created by AI is a victimist crime.

1696
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: It's well, yeah, okay maybe, but it's still a crime.

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01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 3: It's still objectionable. It still actually helps somebody maintain a

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 3: state of mind. And it doesn't take a person with

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01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 3: a great imagination to imagine that if somebody is getting

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01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 3: some sort of kicks out of AI generated child porn,

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: that they won't at some stage go gee, wouldn't it

1702
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 3: be great if it was a real thing. So I

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01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: don't think that is a good thing at all, and

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: I don't say go ai ron, so I don't agree.

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01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 3: Now I'm doing Heather Show. So I got a text

1706
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: through here. See Andrew last year before your holiday, I

1707
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 3: thought you said that you were going to do Heather

1708
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 3: slot whilst she's on leave. Yes I am, and here

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01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 3: I am doing it for a bit. But then that

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 3: changed to the early slot. Yes, that's true. I start

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01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: doing the early slot later this week. And then I

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01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 3: heard today that Roman Travers is going to be doing

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01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 3: that on Tuesday. So are you doing it or are

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: you not doing it?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 3: I am doing it, but you see, I finished work

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01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 3: here at seven o'clock at night, and to get in

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01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 3: for early edition tomorrow, i'd have to wake up at

1719
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 3: three thirty in the morning and early edition starts at five.

1720
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 3: And if you know your employment law, you're going to

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 3: have at least twelve hours between shifts, and frankly, I

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Speaker 3: didn't think I could do a good job finishing here

1723
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Speaker 3: at seven, going home, having some dinner, going to be

1724
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 3: getting up at three thirty and doing it all over again.

1725
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 3: And guess what, the boss has agreed. So I'm not

1726
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: doing early edition tomorrow, but from Wednesday i am your

1727
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 3: early edition hosts until Heather comes back from her maternity leave,

1728
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 3: and knowing just what a beast that woman is, it

1729
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: could be in like a week's time, weeks time because

1730
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: the's just incredible workaholics. So there we go twenty three

1731
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: to seven zid be So after the closure of the

1732
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 3: tonguey Wai mill in the Rupehu district, forestry company Earnslaw

1733
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: has found a way to sorry urnsall One has found

1734
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 3: a way to continue production and keep its contractors in work.

1735
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 3: You see, the Ernzol used to take the logs to

1736
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 3: the pulp and paper millk usually made into pulp of

1737
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 3: paper and then you know stuff actually ended out coming

1738
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,560
Speaker 3: on and anyway, what's happened is they have struck a

1739
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: deal with Kiwi Rail and Napier Port where log trains

1740
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 3: now run five days a week on the Napier Palmerston

1741
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 3: North line, dropping off six hundred tons of unprocessed logs,

1742
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: but the still exploitable to Napier Port. And doing this

1743
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: it removes twenty one logging trucks off the road. If

1744
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: you know your Hawk's Bay, you know that locals have

1745
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 3: long said, why do we always have logging trucks slamming

1746
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 3: through Hastings and through through Nape to get to be

1747
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 3: shipped off? So this is a this is a good idea.

1748
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 3: Nape your Port chief executive Officer Todd Dawson and Kiwi

1749
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: Roale Executive General Manager of Freight Markets, Alan Paper joins me.

1750
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 3: Now Ted and Alan, Hello.

1751
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 5: Killy Andrew.

1752
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 3: Where's the other one?

1753
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 28: Andrew?

1754
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: Just checking out? I had two of you, Todd, Todd,

1755
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 3: we will we will start with you from Napier Port.

1756
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 3: How did this deal come to be?

1757
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 23: Oh, look, it's it's a great deal and it's it's

1758
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 23: come about through I guess some really good collaboration amongst

1759
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 23: the parties that that have been involved into little one.

1760
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 28: Kiwi Rail, ourselves and McCarthy's Transport.

1761
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 23: You know, it's a logical solution for for the movement

1762
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 23: of logs through the through the port takes as you said,

1763
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 23: you know, it takes a lot of trucks off the

1764
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 23: road that are damaging the roads and things like that too.

1765
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 23: So just a lot of work and and logic being

1766
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 23: applied and some good collaboration amongst the interested parties to

1767
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 23: make it happened, which is really awesome to see.

1768
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 3: How big a change is it though, to go from

1769
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: receiving process to process would and with timber, lumber and

1770
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 3: pulp to receiving big old logs at the port.

1771
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 23: It was a fair bit of change, a fear bit

1772
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 23: of change at both ends a supply chain, both up

1773
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 23: and tangy way and also at the port. In general,

1774
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 23: there's a lot less moving parts involved than moving the

1775
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 23: logs I've trained. There are more touch points in terms

1776
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 23: of moving logs straight out of the bush on trains

1777
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 23: through to the port, but versus there as you're you're

1778
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 23: asking around the pulp versus timber, it's a little.

1779
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 28: Less complex actually, So.

1780
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 23: It's a bit of change, but nothing that's not manageable.

1781
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 3: And where are the logs being shipped to? Who takes

1782
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: this stuff?

1783
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 23: All of the majority of New Zealand's logs and general

1784
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 23: go up to China probably bet not even send them

1785
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 23: go up to China and the rest of them to

1786
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 23: various different parts of the world.

1787
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 3: Let's go to keep me well, Allan, there must have

1788
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 3: been a no brainer. I mean, you've got rid of

1789
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 3: tracks to put them on trains.

1790
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 30: Yes, fantastic. Look, it's going to put about the nineteen

1791
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 30: wagons probably up to one hundred and twenty thousand tons

1792
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 30: a year. That allows for the sort of break, the

1793
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 30: harvesting break, the crews, the hard working crews have sort

1794
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 30: of December January, so we're just picking it up. We

1795
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 30: placed nineteen wagons today, we'll go back tomorrow. They'll be

1796
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 30: loaded overnight. We'll pick up nineteen tomorrow and we'll put

1797
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 30: another nineteen empty wagons ready for the following day. So yeah,

1798
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 30: we're really great to see the circuit of logs back

1799
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 30: on the rail networks. Fantastic.

1800
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 3: And did you have enough rolling stock and also locomotives

1801
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 3: to be able to do it? Was it difficult making

1802
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: the trains available.

1803
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't.

1804
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 30: We were already running trains previously up to Winston Polk,

1805
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 30: so it was a case of just putting those back

1806
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 30: into that work. And we had some wagons that we

1807
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 30: could repurpose and for the log traffic. So yep, it

1808
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 30: was easy enough to do and really pleased to kick

1809
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:52,759
Speaker 30: things off today, which is great.

1810
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 3: From Kerry Rowl's point of view. How does this benefit

1811
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 3: the region?

1812
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: Well?

1813
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 30: As Todd said, we and working with Andy Watson, who's

1814
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 30: the mirror of the rung Atticking District Council, I guess

1815
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 30: the shared concern was that the logging trucks going over

1816
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 30: that Tai Happy Napier Road and looking further ahead to

1817
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 30: sort of the autumn and winter next year. Everybody knew

1818
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 30: that that was just going to cut up the roads

1819
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 30: even further. Even the McCarthy's is the log transporter. So

1820
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 30: it was really a great opportunity to get round the

1821
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 30: table find our solution between ourselves, you know, McCarthy's, Todd

1822
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 30: at the Port and inslall one get this moving and

1823
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 30: look at what it's going to do. A save a

1824
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 30: whole lot of maintenance for the district council that they

1825
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 30: were very clear that they couldn't afford. So I think

1826
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 30: it's a great outcome around us as well as the

1827
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 30: public less trucks up and down that road.

1828
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 3: Well done, gentlemen, on your creativity, Todd, can I can

1829
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 3: I ask you a question though I understand that wins

1830
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 3: and Peters has been stiffing around the port that I

1831
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 3: understand that Winston Peters believes it might be a good

1832
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: place to put the into island. Can you confirm or

1833
01:28:58,760 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 3: deny that.

1834
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 9: Oh?

1835
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 23: Look, I think there's a little bit of a misalignment

1836
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 23: of information there. I'm certainly not the inter Napi course

1837
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 23: not considering taking the inter Isla Interda into the port.

1838
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: It would certainly be you'd be interested in more freight

1839
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 3: traveling between the islands coming through your port, Oh for sure.

1840
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 23: I mean we've been quite vocal about our views on

1841
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 23: what we think should be a solution for the inter

1842
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 23: islander in Wellington, and there's a lot of cost associated

1843
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 23: with an inside infrastructure, and you've got to container terminal

1844
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 23: site there that is well suited to the earthquake conditions

1845
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 23: and a lot of work already been done to it.

1846
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 23: So we think that actually, overall a lot of money

1847
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 23: could be saved for New Zealand if there was some

1848
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 23: decisions made about the location of where the Winter Island

1849
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 23: a ferry ultimately goes in Wellington?

1850
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 21: Is that true?

1851
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 3: Allen I mean, because that's the whole thing. The kay

1852
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 3: Farla Farer down in Wellington was actually quite prone to

1853
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 3: the earthquakes. Is the container wharf a bit more solid?

1854
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 30: Look I'm no engineering expert. I guess what I would

1855
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 30: say is I think the Minister of Finance and the

1856
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 30: new Minister of made that comment before Christmas. It look

1857
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 30: they're going to use the next two or three months

1858
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 30: to really work that through and come up with a

1859
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 30: decision later this year. So look, we just wait for

1860
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 30: that decision process to go through and be made public.

1861
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 3: Well, both of you, gentlemen, have been fantastic company and

1862
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: I thank you so much for your time today. From

1863
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 3: Napier Port the chief executive Officer Todd Dawson, and from

1864
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: Kiwi Round the executive General Manager of Freight Market Alan Piper.

1865
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,919
Speaker 3: And this is News Talk to B and it's seventeen

1866
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 3: to seven.

1867
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1868
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: on the business hours with Andrew Dickens on News Talks.

1869
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 3: It's fourteen to seven and we're off to the UK

1870
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 3: and Gale Downey joins us. Hello Gale, Hello Andrews. So

1871
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 3: we were talking on Friday and we're going, oh, here

1872
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: comes the storm. And the storm got named stormy Yowen. Yowen,

1873
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 3: e Owen, e Owen. That's not from Lord of the Rings,

1874
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 3: is it.

1875
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 14: I don't know, well they say.

1876
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 31: It's from Yeah, yes, it's some debate about whether it's

1877
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 31: the Rings.

1878
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 3: She was the princess who was there in the horse

1879
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 3: riding land. Anyway, so you've got stormy Owen and they're

1880
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 3: correct in. And now you're finding out that you've got

1881
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 3: another one coming.

1882
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 31: Oh yes, this time it's storm Hominia and that's bringing

1883
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 31: with a huge gust of winds eighty plus miles an hour,

1884
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 31: this time hitting the south west of England in places

1885
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 31: such as Devon and Cornwall. Now it's been named by

1886
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 31: the Spanish Weather Service as heavy rain and winds have

1887
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 31: already battered the north of Spain and floodwaters of left

1888
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 31: cars and buildings submerged in western France. It's come our way.

1889
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 31: And while as you say, it's not as severe as

1890
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 31: Storm Io in the UK Met Office says there is

1891
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 31: a danger to life and Foalmouth Coastguard has warned people

1892
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 31: to stay away from the coast. And of course while

1893
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 31: this is happening, engineers are still working to restore electricity

1894
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 31: to homes affected by Iowin, a spokesperson for the Northern

1895
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 31: Ireland Electricity Boards, so it could take up to ten

1896
01:31:56,120 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 31: days to complete repairs, where seventy five thousand and people

1897
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 31: in Northern Ireland are still without power.

1898
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 3: O goodness. Okay, well, I'm sorry about that. But you know,

1899
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 3: I don't know something about the weather. Do you think

1900
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 3: the weather's changing.

1901
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 28: One day?

1902
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 31: You can't tell from one day to the next weather

1903
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 31: it's going to be sunny, or what we're going to get.

1904
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 3: It's crazy, now, Eowen, you're quite right, Oh, I'm quite right.

1905
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 3: Was in The Lord of the Rings, the Noble Woman

1906
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 3: of Rohan and played in the films by Miranda Otto,

1907
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 3: and of course was the one who killed the witch

1908
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 3: King of Angmar because he said that no man shall

1909
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 3: ever kill me. And Yeowen goes, I am no man

1910
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 3: and thrust her dagger into his face.

1911
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 31: But anyway, that's a bit like Macbeth, isn't it?

1912
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 3: For what it's worth? But there we are. I'm selling

1913
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 3: like Stephen Colbier. Now anyway to a very very serious story. Indeed,

1914
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 3: King Charles and other European royalty, and here's a state,

1915
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 3: We'll be heading off to the Nazi death camp Alchwitz

1916
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 3: Berken now in Poland, to mark the eightieth aniversary of

1917
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 3: its liberation.

1918
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 31: Yeah, that's right. He's the first British head of state

1919
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,919
Speaker 31: to actually visit the camp. In nineteen forty three, his grandmother,

1920
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 31: Princess Alice of Greece actually saved a Jewish family. She

1921
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 31: took them into her home and hid them in what

1922
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 31: was their Nazi occupied Athens. Six million Jews were murdered

1923
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 31: in the Holocaust a millionaire Alsvich and Ausvich was Nazi

1924
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:27,839
Speaker 31: Germany's largest concentration and extermination camp. So the day today

1925
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 31: to mark the eightieth anniversary of its liberation will begin

1926
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 31: with survivors. Now, these are people in their late eighties

1927
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 31: and nineties, will be laying reads at what was known

1928
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 31: as the Death War, which is the entrance to berkenhow

1929
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 31: where thousands of Polish prisoners, Jews and Soviet prisoners of

1930
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 31: war were shot. They put up a heated tent over

1931
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 31: the entrance as many of the survivors are just too

1932
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 31: frail to stay out in the coll for too long.

1933
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,600
Speaker 31: But obviously they want to be there, you know, to

1934
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 31: let the world know what happened.

1935
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's a hell of a place. I

1936
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: have a I know who went there not expecting we're

1937
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Speaker 3: just went there because it was there, and Phil part

1938
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 3: completely when they got there. Just the emotional impact of

1939
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,759
Speaker 3: it is just terrible. And I know also that Nicola

1940
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Speaker 3: willisonth announced Minister at this moment as we speak, will

1941
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Speaker 3: be at a commemoration that's being held in New Zealand

1942
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Speaker 3: as well. So finally, pharmacy leaders are calling for tougher

1943
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Speaker 3: rules around the online sale of weight loss jobs.

1944
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Speaker 31: Why well, hundreds of thousands of people are believed to

1945
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 31: be getting their prescriptions for these weight loss jobs privately

1946
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 31: through online pharmacies. So the leaders of the National Pharmacy

1947
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 31: Association have written to regulators and said, look, we know

1948
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Speaker 31: that some patients who previously had eating disorders or low

1949
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 31: body weight are being wrongly prescribed the drugs. They say

1950
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Speaker 31: a two way, twenty minute consultation with the patient is

1951
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 31: needed rather than what seems to be happening is an

1952
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 31: online questionnaire which people fill in to get the weight

1953
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 31: loss job. Now there has been a rise in the

1954
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Speaker 31: demand for weight loss jobs because the UK government wants

1955
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Speaker 31: to make them more available on the NHS. But Nick

1956
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Speaker 31: Kay who's the chairman of the association, says, you know,

1957
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Speaker 31: we want to help, We want to play our part

1958
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Speaker 31: in tackling obesity, and weight loss injections do have a role,

1959
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Speaker 31: but he said they're concerned that the current regulations allow

1960
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 31: some patients to inappropriately access weight loss injections without proper

1961
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Speaker 31: consultation or an examination of their historical medical records.

1962
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem with them is that they're so effective.

1963
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Speaker 3: I mean, they are so effective that you know the

1964
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Speaker 3: fact that they may or may not have further side

1965
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Speaker 3: effis if something else is again cal downey, betting down

1966
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Speaker 3: the hatches, keep drying, keep safe and we'll talk again later.

1967
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Speaker 3: We will bye bye. It is eight to seven.

1968
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Speaker 1: Whether it's micro microbe or just playing economics, it's all

1969
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with hither do to see Ellen

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Speaker 1: and as insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1971
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Speaker 2: These talks me.

1972
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Speaker 3: News talksb So I'm Andrew Dickins. Today I drove through

1973
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Speaker 3: the Coramandle, through the White Kaddow and through the hinterland

1974
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 3: of Auckland to be with you because yesterday I was

1975
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Speaker 3: at concert in Fitty Younger and Colmandel of course Cold

1976
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Speaker 3: chis or Ice House, back Runner and ever Clear a

1977
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 3: magnificent concert, one of the best, even though the weather

1978
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:30,759
Speaker 3: conditions were bad. Ice House predictably awesome, but Cold Chisel

1979
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Speaker 3: was actually quite an eye opener. What an incredible band.

1980
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 3: Jimmy Barnes was in full flight. And you always think

1981
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 3: of Jimmy Barnes and Cold Chisel, But can I just

1982
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: say Ian Moss, the guitarist and a singer of many

1983
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 3: of Cold Chizzel songs, was exceptional. His guitar work was exceptional,

1984
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 3: his vocals sounded just like they've always sounded for all

1985
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Speaker 3: those years. What a band Cold Chisel was and is.

1986
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Speaker 3: But that was the end of their fiftieth anniversary tour.

1987
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Speaker 3: I hope they come again, and I hope you get

1988
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Speaker 3: the chance to see him. And on the topic of music,

1989
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Speaker 3: and it has chosen our going out song and what

1990
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Speaker 3: is it? Boy?

1991
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Speaker 32: Well, you've you've really set me up for Cold Chisel there,

1992
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Speaker 32: But I've actually already played that twice over the over

1993
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Speaker 32: the weekend, so I've gone for a different Australian Australian

1994
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Speaker 32: artist to celebrate Australia Day. And of course it's a

1995
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Speaker 32: dale or Breathwait with a classic Australian hit, the horses.

1996
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Speaker 3: Okay, this isn't a big song in New Zealand, but

1997
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Speaker 3: my goodness is a huge song in Australia.

1998
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Speaker 32: He goes off over there and it's not Australia day

1999
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Speaker 32: without hearing.

2000
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Speaker 3: The horse, horses. You're quite right, you're quite right. Fantastic song.

2001
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Speaker 3: Thank you to Addy technical producer for the gain for

2002
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Speaker 3: as he'd got some holloway it know how you managed

2003
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Speaker 3: to do that. Laura and I are real workers. We

2004
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Speaker 3: were here, Kenzie's here. We're all good tomorrow. Mike's back

2005
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Speaker 3: on breakfast, Kerries back yep, the boys doing the afternoons,

2006
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 3: Ryan's doing Drive, Theman's doing early edition, and then from

2007
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Speaker 3: then on I'll do early edition. I'll leave you with

2008
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Speaker 3: Darryl lo Byter.

2009
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Speaker 2: To cleat the scroop line.

2010
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Speaker 25: Let you see him down on the ground.

2011
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Speaker 33: So do you wing looking on around. That's the way

2012
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Speaker 33: it's gonna be love, doll honing, you go riding on

2013
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Speaker 33: the artis.

2014
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can.

2015
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Speaker 3: Way up the sky the doll.

2016
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Speaker 33: And lift your ball big g up, pick it up.

2017
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Speaker 33: That's the way it's gonna be love going. You go

2018
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Speaker 33: riding on the heart cat way up the sky, the

2019
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Speaker 33: scanning and it's the fall begill up, the gar up, that's.

2020
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Speaker 21: Dot you.

2021
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Speaker 14: About around, thank you, thank you up.

2022
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Speaker 11: Some were in.

2023
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Speaker 9: God.

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Speaker 17: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 15: Read what all?

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Speaker 25: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

2028
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