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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with us Allabari afternoon. Heather, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Critical Minerals is up again, Yes.

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Speaker 2: It is, and you remember yesterday Chris Luxen was asked

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Speaker 2: about it and said that, look, no decisions have been made,

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Speaker 2: but we now find out that are specific talks going

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Speaker 2: on in Washington. That's not to say that Luxon was

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Speaker 2: wrong because no decisions have been made. There's a meeting

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Speaker 2: of Critical Minerals ministerial being hosted by Marco Rubio, and

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Speaker 2: that's dozens of countries are at it. So New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is one of them. And for New Zealand to come

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Speaker 2: away with a joint statement saying that look, we'll look

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Speaker 2: at this issue, you know, more seriously, and of course

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Speaker 2: they will, so will all the other countries say exactly

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Speaker 2: the same thing. So Chris Hipkins in my tonguey today

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Speaker 2: and also the Green said that Luxan was out of touch,

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Speaker 2: didn't know what was going on with his own government. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I listened to us very carefully on this one,

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Speaker 2: and he certainly wasn't out of touch. But somebody that

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Speaker 2: would seem to be out of touch today was Chris

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Speaker 2: Hopkins himself. He essentially said that the issue was between

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Speaker 2: Penie Hena whether he had resigned or not. Now, certainly

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Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins seemed very confused about that. Have I listened

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Speaker 2: to how he answered questions about it.

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Speaker 3: I've always been really clear, and my position stays the

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Speaker 3: same today that MP's make their own decisions and own

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Speaker 3: announcements about their futures, and then I'm happy to comment

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Speaker 3: on them once they've done that, but I don't do

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Speaker 3: that on their behalf. I'm not going to be commenting

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Speaker 3: further on the matter until Pennie himself has made for

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Speaker 3: the public comments on it. He's making an announcement at

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Speaker 3: four o'clock and I'm after that. He's well, if if

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Speaker 3: if meta outlets have reached the embargo, then that's.

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Speaker 2: The pre that's his call.

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Speaker 3: He's doing interviews well, I understand he did some in

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Speaker 3: some pre recorded interviews in advance under in bargo. If

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Speaker 3: media outlets have broken the embargo, that's a question for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to comment on it later on. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to comment on it later on. I'm going to comment

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Speaker 3: on it later on. You can keep asking, but I'll

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Speaker 3: give you the same answer.

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Speaker 2: He was even asked at one stage whether he had

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Speaker 2: confidence in Penie he Naude and wouldn't answer that. Now

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Speaker 2: you think that would be a simple thing for him

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Speaker 2: to do. There's been a suggestion that he Naa is

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Speaker 2: looking at the New Zealand First party and coincidentally, Shane

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Speaker 2: Jones is having his shindig prior to White Tongy Day

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night up in white Tongy and it'll be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see if Pennie he Nader is there. But he

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Speaker 2: said specifically in an interview that I've heard that that

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Speaker 2: was done in Wellington that he would not be joining

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Speaker 2: New Zealand First, even though he has a lot of

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Speaker 2: respect for Winston Peters and for change.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but so something's gone on here though, hasn't it?

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Speaker 1: Because if Chippy for Chippy to be asked if he

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Speaker 1: would express confidence and back, I think the question was

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Speaker 1: would you back Penna Henaday For him to decline backing

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Speaker 1: Pena he Nada, something weird has gone well again the

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Speaker 1: bad blood between the two of them, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: But again Hipkins was clearly unaware that an early statement

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Speaker 2: was coming from his own office in Wellington because they

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Speaker 2: released a statement. This is the Labor party just after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: So presumably forced though by the.

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Speaker 2: Fact that somebody had said that, yes, exactly had gone

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Speaker 2: did precipitate that.

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Speaker 1: But look, I haven't a lesson though, Barry. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how hard was it so Chippy was holding this press

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Speaker 1: conference of what was a haus Won two or whatever

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Speaker 1: it was, How hard was it for him to simply

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Speaker 1: being nimble and go, Okay, things have transpired faster than

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Speaker 1: we thought they were earlier, So just answer the bloody

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Speaker 1: questions what he's made himself. He turned it into a

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Speaker 1: fast and what was supposed to be a press conference

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Speaker 1: about unity between Labor and the Greens turned into a

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Speaker 1: press conference about why the Maldi party wasn't there and

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Speaker 1: what the weird thing was going on between.

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Speaker 2: Him exactly all his fault, Yeah, totally totally, and he

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Speaker 2: should have said something by now, because the statement's been

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Speaker 2: out for what almost two hours now from the lands.

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Speaker 1: It very much smacks of him trying to avoid saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure several because we have asked Hippy.

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Speaker 1: To come on the show, and to be fair, his

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Speaker 1: day is books, but Chippy is not. Chippy's not coming

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Speaker 1: on this show to talk about Penny or anything else today.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they're running away from stuff anyway. Listen,

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Speaker 1: unbarriaed good to talk to you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens, you've got to talk about them

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Speaker 2: getting together today. That's a rare, rare recurrence.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts desperate, well looks it is.

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Speaker 2: Talk about Chippy declaring his hand. He's got no comeback

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Speaker 2: from this. So the Greens are on board, look at

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Speaker 2: their loopy policies and think about what a coalition would

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Speaker 2: look like with that.

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Speaker 1: Never mind their staffing issues well like Golly the Thief, Yes,

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Speaker 1: yes for example.

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