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Speaker 1: Digging through the smith to find the real story. Egoring,

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Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplessy Elm drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: Chris Luxen wants to raise the pension age to sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: So we'll have a chat to David seymore about that.

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Speaker 3: He's the Associate Finance also the act party leader. How

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Speaker 3: is Trump's international ban on the students for Harvard going

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Speaker 3: to affect Kiwi students? And also go Media Stadium that's

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Speaker 3: about smart has got two sold out games this weekend,

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Speaker 3: just won a prize. We'll have a chat to the

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Speaker 3: boss about.

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Speaker 4: That, Heather Duplicyl.

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Speaker 3: When I say the boss, I mean the boss of

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Speaker 3: the advertisers. Now let's talk about this business with the pensionage.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So Chris Luckson has said today twice that he wants

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Speaker 3: the pension age to go up to sixty seven, and

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Speaker 3: he said at once on Kerrey Show this morning, and

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Speaker 3: then at a post budget lunch speaking to business leaders

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Speaker 3: he repeated it and he told them that this is

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Speaker 3: basically going to be election policy for national next year. Now,

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Speaker 3: regardless of how you may feel about this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you'd have to be coming around to the realization, wouldn't you,

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Speaker 3: That we are inch and closer and closer to this

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Speaker 3: It's not long now. I think that the government will

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Speaker 3: have completely wound down its government support of Kei we Saver,

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Speaker 3: and then it's going to come after the pension next,

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Speaker 3: because this is not just about money for people. This

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Speaker 3: is emotional. Let me lay out the emotional argument for

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Speaker 3: you as it plays out in my head. Okay, goes

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Speaker 3: like this, don't touch my pension. You can touch anything else,

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Speaker 3: do not touch my pension. I don't care if they

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Speaker 3: take away every other piece of welfare that is available

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Speaker 3: to me and other people. In fact, they would actually

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Speaker 3: welfare in this country for the middle class who don't

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Speaker 3: actually need it. You get a best start payment for

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Speaker 3: having a newborn. You having a baby, they give you money.

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Speaker 3: You get the Winter Energy payment, you get working for families,

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Speaker 3: which I think is a crime. You get the subsidized

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Speaker 3: child I'll care for sending your kid to kindy. You

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Speaker 3: get free tertiary education for the third year. God only

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Speaker 3: knows why. Free government money for your key. We save.

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Speaker 3: But now, as far as I'm considered way too much

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Speaker 3: of that stuff going on, they can take all of

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Speaker 3: they can means test it. So actually the most only

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Speaker 3: the most needy in this country get it. But I

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Speaker 3: will do everything I can to stop them touching my

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Speaker 3: pension because I have earned that money. This is not

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Speaker 3: a question about whether I need that money. It is

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Speaker 3: that I have earned that money. I, like you, have

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Speaker 3: contributed huge amounts of tax to this country, and actually

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Speaker 3: I have not claimed very much back for myself, and

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Speaker 3: The Only thing that stops me from being very sour

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Speaker 3: the bludging by some on that money, is the knowledge

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Speaker 3: that when I hit sixty five and want to retire,

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Speaker 3: I will get a little bit back. Call it a

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Speaker 3: good will gesture from the government. If you like a

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Speaker 3: government who I have helped prop up, just like you

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Speaker 3: getting this one across the line. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 3: the emotional argument that I have just laid out for you,

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Speaker 3: and I think they might find it easier to take

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Speaker 3: away a lot of other welfare first. And unless they

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Speaker 3: take away a lot of other welfare first, I am

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Speaker 3: not budging on the punt pension together do for c Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 3: fees apply. Now please tell me if you feel the

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Speaker 3: same as me. I suspect many people do anyway. New

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Speaker 3: Zealand good news. We're getting a second Supercars race Ruapuna

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Speaker 3: Raceway and christ Church is going to host a Supercars

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Speaker 3: the event in Topel will continue until at least twenty

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Speaker 6: Now, Hey Phil, good a, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well? Thank you. Now you've been wanting I

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Speaker 7: Have you?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, this is this is the best who's that I've

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Speaker 6: good for christ Hesh, I's see how falan to be honest,

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Speaker 6: Have you.

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Speaker 3: Got you guys petrol heads down there?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's been a petrol flowing around. Some of them

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Speaker 10: Yes, you.

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Speaker 9: Are you that?

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Speaker 6: The talk is from what I'm hearing, and we've done

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Speaker 6: homework on what Taapo had last year. But it's about

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Speaker 6: twenty thousand people, which I think is light. It'll bring

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Speaker 6: people can travel in easy. We've got six new hotels

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Speaker 6: best thing is it's the same week or certainly the

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Speaker 3: Much money are you putting in rope money.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure that's going through our Christchi chen z

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Speaker 6: and they do that. They don't tell me these numbers.

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Speaker 3: It can't be more than ten million, though, can it?

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Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no. Ten

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Speaker 3: Like how much less?

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Speaker 8: Phil?

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Speaker 6: Lots lots least from what I'm told.

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Speaker 3: From what if they told you, But I haven't.

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Speaker 6: I haven't been tod Now I'm.

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Speaker 3: Being suspicious because you've been told something and it's lots

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Speaker 6: Come on, Phil, No, no, no, no, that's that's that's

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Speaker 6: be a really good return. But the bars that are

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Speaker 3: The bars like gold bars or drinking buzz.

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Speaker 6: The buzz z.

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Speaker 3: I thought I thought you were coming at me with

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Speaker 6: Supercap from what I'm told, Well, I have been told

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Speaker 6: After they've been out in Haddle they have been handling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. All right. Listen, Phil, thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: and I'm really stoked for you. That's film major christ

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Speaker 3: Church mayor Heather. They won't touch your pension. It will

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Speaker 3: five from David. How old do you think I am?

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Speaker 3: I just had a baby the other day. What do

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Speaker 3: That enrages me even more. Now I'm even angry I

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Speaker 3: have Thanks David. Now you've set me off again. Hey,

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Speaker 3: it's not gonna happen because they know it's not going

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Speaker 3: their minds. So they're not going to go there. BYD

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Speaker 3: their utes and it is awesome. BYD has just sold

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Speaker 3: more electric vehicles in Europe than Tesla has for the

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Speaker 3: April a seventy. Let me try to say this properly

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Speaker 3: for you, seven two hundred and thirty one, So seventy

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Speaker 3: Well that it's probably won't be the last time. Quarter pasted.

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Speaker 3: Here here Heather, Heather bingo, most don't even pay tax,

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Speaker 3: so it's a double negative. Heather, I totally agree. Here,

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Speaker 3: the pension alone or Heather. The pension is not a

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Speaker 3: that nails it right there. Eighteen pass four Jason Pine

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Speaker 11: I wish my text has agreed with me so vigorously, Heather, I.

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Speaker 3: Haven't looked at the ones that disagree with me.

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Speaker 11: I'm blanking them, no, and that's what I tend to do,

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Speaker 11: and there's nothing left to read.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see what your problem is. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Listen,

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Speaker 3: spam texting you when you're on tomorrow and just give

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Speaker 3: you lots of good things to use. But I have

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Speaker 3: did you realize it sold out the football and then

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Speaker 11: You feel like you just want to sort of park

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Speaker 11: up at go medium out smart over the weekend. Right

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Speaker 11: six o'clock tomorrow night, Aukland FC Melbourne victory one nill

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Speaker 11: advantage after the first leg, so just avoid defeat and

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Speaker 11: you make the Grand five, which will be back there

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Speaker 11: over King's Birthday weekend, and then just hang around because

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Speaker 11: on Sunday six o'clock I'll get the football post down,

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Speaker 11: sellout crowd will roll in to watch the Warriors up

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Speaker 11: against the Raiders, who we know beat the Warriors in

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Speaker 11: the minds of this team which has now won five

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Speaker 11: in a row. Honestly, there's no better place to be

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Speaker 11: than Penrose this weekend and it's not often you can say.

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Speaker 11: I'm here for the forty tomorrow, yeah, Or I'm there

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Speaker 11: media and just simply cannot wait for tomorrow night in

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Speaker 11: a football sense, Heather, as you say, extra seats up

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Speaker 11: near twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine thousand expected to

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Speaker 3: Trump is having a crack at Harvard, So you know

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Speaker 13: Here headlines next, recapping the day's big news and making

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 9: That'd be right.

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Speaker 3: A thirty year old man has been charged with two

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Speaker 14: Going to continue to investigate this as a head crime

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Speaker 3: The Liberal and National parties in Australia are meeting right

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Speaker 4: Labor, early labor, early labor.

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Speaker 16: We've been doing it to track she's now, you know,

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Speaker 16: She her decision to stay on the disc. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 17: Now, Hey, Dan, I would not want to be the

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Speaker 3: I think this is a very good point that you

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Speaker 17: because this could have very well been just like a

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Speaker 17: lot of other attacks and shootings we've had over here,

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Speaker 17: just a one off thing. We do know that the

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Speaker 17: guy has not entered a plea yet. He's behind bars

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Speaker 17: and the next tier and he's scheduled for will happen

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Speaker 17: in the middle of next month.

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Speaker 3: And motivation is simply that the pair were Jewish.

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Speaker 4: That appears to be in the in the sad.

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Speaker 17: I don't want to use the word hook, but there's

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Speaker 17: always there's always something that you find out of these stories,

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Speaker 17: is the fact that they were scheduled to be engaged,

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Speaker 17: and you know, that's that's, you know, one of those

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Speaker 17: things wrong place wrong unfortunately. I mean any place, anytime

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Speaker 17: would have been bad. But when you hear something like that,

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Speaker 17: it just kind of goes, oh boy, that was that

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Speaker 17: was hard.

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Speaker 18: Dan.

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Speaker 3: Is this big enough news for you guys in the

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Speaker 3: US to sway opinion on what's happening in the Middle

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Speaker 3: Middle East?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 17: No, no, I mean I think the Middle East is

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Speaker 17: one of those those situations that over here, I mean

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Speaker 17: we follow. Obviously you're very concerned about it. Obviously makes

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Speaker 17: news when the president, you know, has a meeting with

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Speaker 17: somebody over there. But I think it just is is

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Speaker 17: the news cycle what it is. It just sort of

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Speaker 17: is a flash in the pan. Unfortunately. So no, this

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Speaker 17: I don't think this will have any sway on anything

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Speaker 3: Now, it turns out that some of the stuff that

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Speaker 3: Trump was using as evidence of the killing of white

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Speaker 3: farmers in South Africa was in in fact photographs from

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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Speaker 17: Right the Reuters pointed this out, and apparently he was

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Speaker 17: showing the screenshot of the video that was taken there,

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Speaker 17: and he falsely presented it as evidence of these mass killings.

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Speaker 17: And we're fine out, well, the image didn't quite match

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Speaker 17: this story. It was a YouTube screen grab, and the

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Speaker 17: White House is not responding uh to a request for

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Speaker 17: comment right now. But the managing editor of The American

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Speaker 17: Thinker and the author of the post that sid question,

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Speaker 17: wrote in a reply to Reuters that they thought that

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Speaker 17: the President had misidentified the image. And he, you know,

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Speaker 17: he interrupted this meeting that he had with the President

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Speaker 17: to play this video and he said, you know, this

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Speaker 17: was showing the evidence of genocide to the wife farmers

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Speaker 17: over there in the conspiracy theory, and then he flipped

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Speaker 17: through these copies of articles and you know what's yeah,

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Speaker 17: I mean, what's what's interesting about this, Heather, is that

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Speaker 17: this seemed like a very gotcha type moment, which President

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Speaker 17: Trump has pulled with several other world leaders.

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Speaker 9: And and why he would do this in such a

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Speaker 9: public environment. I don't know.

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Speaker 17: I think it's unlike anything I can remember previous presidents

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Speaker 17: in doing. But as we know, he's he's not like

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Speaker 17: any previous president we've had. H That's why his followers,

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Speaker 17: I think, are so loyal.

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Speaker 3: I've been wondering about that as well, Dan how And

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Speaker 3: the conclusion that I've come to is that I think

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Speaker 3: he's just trying to draw world attention to what is

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Speaker 3: going on in South Africa. I mean, how much of

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Speaker 3: it has like, how much of the plight of the

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Speaker 3: white farmer in South Africa has actually registered with an

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Speaker 3: American audience?

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Speaker 9: I would say zero?

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Speaker 3: Then, so is there any good that comes out of this?

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Speaker 3: And that perhaps there is now a bit of global

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Speaker 3: attention on what is actually happening there?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, there might be, But how long will that global

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Speaker 17: attention last? And what will come of it, you know,

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Speaker 17: moving forward? Or was it just a quick headline and

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Speaker 17: by this time tomorrow, I mean it's over and done with.

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Speaker 17: But as you mentioned, I think it was when we

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Speaker 17: talked the other day, or maybe it was last week

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Speaker 17: when the UK's Prime Minister decided to do a phone

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Speaker 17: call and not meet with a president, and they said

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Speaker 17: it was a timing issue. If I was a world leader,

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Speaker 17: I'd be very you know, I'd have to be very skeptical,

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Speaker 17: perhaps making sure that everything's lined up and everything's dotted

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Speaker 17: and crossed before I went in there, because I've seen

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Speaker 17: so many of these moments in the Trump presidency here

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Speaker 17: in the first three months.

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Speaker 3: Dan, it's good to talk to you, mate. You have

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Speaker 3: yourself a lovely weekend. Thank you so much, Dan Mitchinson,

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Speaker 3: US correspondent.

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Speaker 4: Ever do fore allen.

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Speaker 3: So yesterday when I was talking to Nichola Willis, I

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Speaker 3: asked her why did she didn't go harder with the

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Speaker 3: twenty percent a tax incentive which is in the budget.

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Speaker 3: I might have underestimated this thing. This is going to

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Speaker 3: be huge, but maybe not in the way that I realized,

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Speaker 3: or even necessarily the ministers around the cabinet table realized.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like they realized what is about to happen.

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Speaker 3: So apparently there's a story in Newsroom on Newsroom dot

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Speaker 3: Codono is written by John o'milne, and according to John,

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Speaker 3: who's a very respected journalist, so you can pretty much

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Speaker 3: believe what he's saying. According to John O. He was

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Speaker 3: up at Shane Jones's post party. It seems he was

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Speaker 3: there at Shane Jones's post budget party in the Beehive,

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Speaker 3: and at some point in the evening, Jonesy left the

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Speaker 3: party his own party and went downstairs to the House

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Speaker 3: to check with the other ministers who were still in

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Speaker 3: the in the debating chamber whether there really was no

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Speaker 3: cap on how much people could spend on an asset

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Speaker 3: in order to claim the twenty percent back. And then

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Speaker 3: he came back stoked and he said, yes, there is

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Speaker 3: no cap on how much you can spend on this asset.

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Speaker 3: That means even a massive gas rig will be eligible.

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Speaker 3: And Jonesy says, these gas rigs, it's a billion dollars

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Speaker 3: for one, it's been six or seven hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 3: It can go up to a billion. And then John

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Speaker 3: o'meln writ's got your eye on a fleet of company

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Speaker 3: cars or a nice shiny skyscraper to house your business.

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Speaker 3: Commercial buildings are also eligible. Developers are just talking through

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Speaker 3: the nitty gritty now, like whether that extends to sizemic

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Speaker 3: strengthening power plants are also eligible. Ministers don't actually know

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Speaker 3: the scale of the scheme. To which they've agreed. They

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Speaker 3: genuinely don't, and they won't know until businesses start filing

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Speaker 3: their tax returns next year. Johno, in writing the story,

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Speaker 3: then goes to talk to John Cuthbertson, who's the tax

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Speaker 3: leader at Chartered Accountants A and Z, which is effectively

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Speaker 3: the country's most senior tax accountant. He says the accountant,

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Speaker 3: it's uncapped. Exclamation mark. I mean I would have thought

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Speaker 3: that you would have wanted some mechanism to keep control

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Speaker 3: of it. Willis will have to impose some sort of caps,

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Speaker 3: as John O, all constraints on it before it blows out.

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Speaker 3: But the difficulty is she's already told business that it's

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Speaker 3: available from yesterday, so it's going to be pricey. David

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Speaker 3: Seymore was going to be with us after five. We'll

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Speaker 3: have to chat to him about that.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two politics with centrics credit check your customers and

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Speaker 3: Jason Will's political editors with us now, Hi, Jason.

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Speaker 18: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So what's Labour going to do with pay equity? Are

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Speaker 3: they going to put all of that thirteen billion back in?

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Speaker 18: Listen? If only it was that simple. We actually have

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Speaker 18: no idea what is going on at this At this stage,

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Speaker 18: it's getting more and more confusing by the day now.

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Speaker 18: Speaking to reporters yesterday and we did briefly touch on

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Speaker 18: this yesterday, Chris Hopkins was unable to commit to returning

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Speaker 18: the thirteen billion the government saved through this revamping of

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Speaker 18: the pay equity schemes. And it's pretty a pretty fundamental

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Speaker 18: question as half of the new spending in the budget

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Speaker 18: came from these cuts and these reevaluations of that scheme.

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Speaker 18: So it is recommitting that thirteen billion would mean either

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Speaker 18: more cuts, it would mean more taxes or more borrowing

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Speaker 18: if they decided not to do that. So this morning

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Speaker 18: morning reports corn Dan probbed a little bit further with

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Speaker 18: Labour's Barbara Edmunds. Have a listen.

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Speaker 19: If you are how would you find this twelve billion

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Speaker 19: twelve nearly thirteen billion dollars because a lot of that

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Speaker 19: money has been refunneled back into call public services, so.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be built in.

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Speaker 20: How would you find that in a future budget.

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Speaker 19: We're gonna have to find it because we are committed

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Speaker 19: to it, because again women are not worth less and

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Speaker 19: that's our labor value. We don't believe that, so we

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Speaker 19: are committed to finding that.

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Speaker 3: We will look through the books carefully.

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Speaker 18: So we are committed to finding that. I mean, I

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Speaker 18: thought that was pretty unambiguous. But if only it was

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Speaker 18: that easy.

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Speaker 21: The position that both Barbara and I have said out

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Speaker 21: is very very clear. Label will reverse the government's changes

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Speaker 21: to pay equity. We'll set out how much that will

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Speaker 21: cost and how that will pay for it, how we

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Speaker 21: will pay for that in our fiscal plan that will

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Speaker 21: set out before the election. We're not in a position

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Speaker 21: to do that at the moment because we haven't seen

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Speaker 21: the gut breakdown of where that figure actually comes from.

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Speaker 18: Okay, so we're back to not confirming if there were

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Speaker 18: refund the whole thirteen billion dollars. And it's a bit

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Speaker 18: of a mess from labor because if they got into

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Speaker 18: government and then decided that they would not repay this

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Speaker 18: thirteen billion dollars, then all the arguments around cutting women's

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Speaker 18: pay completely falls apart. And the Prime Minister he was

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Speaker 18: having a great all time laughing at them up in Auckland.

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Speaker 22: Now Chris Hipkin speaks out on both sides of his mouth.

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Speaker 22: You know, he was actually for reversing it. The next

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Speaker 22: day he was actually said it's two hard, it's too difficult,

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Speaker 22: too complicated. Barbar Edmans is now saying that she would

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Speaker 22: reverse it all and find the thirteen twelve billion dollars

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Speaker 22: somewhere else, and Chris Itquin's still saying you won't do it.

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Speaker 9: So I mean, like it's very very confusing.

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Speaker 18: It's all as clear as much as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: Were you at Jonesy's party last night?

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Speaker 18: I was at John Z's party last night.

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Speaker 3: Did you see Jonesy leave and go down stares to

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Speaker 3: ask if it was just a free for all with

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Speaker 3: the tax incentive?

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Speaker 18: I well, listen, I didn't have eyes on Jonesy the

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Speaker 18: whole time, but he was wearing his beautiful baby blue suits,

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Speaker 18: so it was really hard to miss. It was hard

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Speaker 18: to miss him.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of this because this seems to

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Speaker 3: meet I mean, the way that this is being portrayed

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Speaker 3: in this newsroom article is that the cabinet ministers themselves

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Speaker 3: did not realize how much this is going to cost.

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Speaker 18: It did seem that way, didn't it In terms of

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Speaker 18: the regulatory impact statement as well. It kind of seemed

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Speaker 18: like this this idea about the cap to the captive

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Speaker 18: of this scheme hadn't really been investigated that much by

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Speaker 18: the ministers in charge. And of course it's a it's

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Speaker 18: a it's a heck of a question, isn't it, Because

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Speaker 18: this is a fund or this is this is a

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Speaker 18: policy that is aiming to boost businesses coming to New

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Speaker 18: Zealand and if you've got a scheme where it would

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Speaker 18: take just a handful of billion dollar oil rigs or

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Speaker 18: commercial developments to swallow up most of the money in

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Speaker 18: any given year. So we put it to the Prime

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Speaker 18: Minister this afternoon and he actually said that he wasn't

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Speaker 18: really all that concern.

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Speaker 22: We're come to all what we've estimated it to be

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Speaker 22: and the impact that it will be annually. The way

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Speaker 22: we've done it is by actually saying it's twenty percent

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Speaker 22: that you get to depreciate in their first year, and

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Speaker 22: that's that's the cat that's in place.

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Speaker 3: So there is a cap, but this is that's not

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about. Luso.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's hard to pen down, but nevertheless this has

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Speaker 18: gone through the House today. The House is in urgency,

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Speaker 18: but not before Julian Gender, who is obviously the Greens MP,

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Speaker 18: tried to change the name of the bill. Have a listen, Honoral.

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Speaker 2: Julian Gender's table to memory clause one to change budget

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Speaker 2: measures to taking money from babies to give text breaks

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Speaker 2: for you is out of order as being not a

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Speaker 2: serious amendment.

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Speaker 18: I'll tell you what I Heather, it didn't stop there.

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Speaker 2: Ricardo men into marts. Table to memory clause one to

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Speaker 2: change budget measures to manifesting trickle down economics is out

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Speaker 2: of order as not being a serious amendment. Under change

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Speaker 2: budget measures to let them eat cake measures is out

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Speaker 2: of order as not being a serious amendment. Und to

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Speaker 2: change budget measures to let them buy yachts budget measure

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Speaker 2: is out of water. It's not being as serious as men.

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Speaker 3: And it went on and on and on.

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Speaker 18: I just thought, this is this is a good use

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Speaker 18: of your time in the house.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was quite funny. I like that she hates

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Speaker 3: newts as well, Like just how much that would have

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Speaker 3: ripped the nickers of Julia Angie. And it just brings

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Speaker 3: me a great deal of pleasure. Hey, how hungover are

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Speaker 3: You're on a scale of one to ten?

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Speaker 18: Oh, like a two. I had a couple of drinks,

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Speaker 18: so I was getting no. No, I wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 18: I've I had I'm in my mid to early thirties.

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Speaker 18: Now I can't do frevolous things like go out and

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Speaker 18: drink on a week.

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Speaker 3: Now you can't even count you are hungover. It's not

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Speaker 3: mid to early. You don't go backwards in time.

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Speaker 18: It's early to mid Like I admit, I forgot how

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Speaker 18: old tea I.

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Speaker 3: Told you to go get the tea? Did you go

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Speaker 3: get the tea?

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Speaker 18: Well, the we've got tea in the press galery office

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Speaker 18: and the.

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Speaker 3: Tea, Jason, don't waste the tea that's sitting in the

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Speaker 3: post office.

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Speaker 18: Listen, as I told you yesterday, we're still out for

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Speaker 18: consultation and we need six to nine months.

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Speaker 3: Send another staff men to get the tea because because

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Speaker 3: they can't just sit there being wasted. Thank you. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk to you a quarter past six. Jason Wall's political editor,

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Speaker 3: seven away from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast Malin.

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Speaker 1: It's minister Nikola Willis is with us nineteen year olds

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Speaker 1: who are unemployed.

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Speaker 4: You're going to mean to test the parents.

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Speaker 17: Well, I have talked to parents who say it's pretty tough.

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Speaker 23: Michela, don't play this game with me.

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Speaker 8: It depends where are you going to mean to test

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Speaker 8: the mat Is it one eighty plus or is it

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Speaker 8: a lot lower?

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Speaker 9: And a lot of parents are going to go I

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Speaker 9: can't afford to do that.

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Speaker 8: We only really want it to be an exceptional circumstances

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Speaker 8: because our base expectation is if you can't get a job,

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Speaker 8: you should be in training.

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Speaker 23: You're talking to how much Nicola?

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Speaker 18: How much does a parent have to earn before you

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Speaker 18: ping them?

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Speaker 4: Should it be one aighty plus?

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Speaker 9: Well, I actually think it should be less than that.

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Speaker 4: Cabinet will obviously have to.

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Speaker 13: Deliberate back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 13: with a Vida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 18: Either.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand the concern ry the twenty percent tax

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Speaker 3: reduction on business capital is the concern that businesses will

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Speaker 3: invest a lot more than the otherwise would, and doesn't

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Speaker 3: that mean that there will be more tax raised than

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Speaker 3: there otherwise would as well as boosting productivity. Look, the

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Speaker 3: simple concern is that there will just be so potential

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Speaker 3: for there to be so much spent in a short

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Speaker 3: period of time that it blows out the amount of

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Speaker 3: money the government had set aside for it. So that's

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Speaker 3: the But we'll have a chat to David Seamore about it.

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Speaker 3: He might have an idea. Now listen about the tea.

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Speaker 3: So Lana, if you're listening, I just want to say

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Speaker 3: thank you. And Lana's probably listening right now. You'll be

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Speaker 3: listening right now, Lana, because Lana was listening at this

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Speaker 3: time in the program yesterday when I was complaining that

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Speaker 3: there's no tea in the press gallery. Literally how many

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Speaker 3: of them are there? There's like fifty of them, isn't there.

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Speaker 3: There's not a tea bag in the kitchen, not a

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Speaker 3: tea bag, Like either they're too busy to buy tea

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Speaker 3: or too tight fisted. That's probably it to buy tea,

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Speaker 3: just like two uncivilized to sit down for a cup

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Speaker 3: of tea. Anyway, So Lana was picking up her child

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Speaker 3: from the preschool and she heard me complaining about it

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Speaker 3: on the radio. So she went and got some tea

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Speaker 3: and put it in a little little container and stuck

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Speaker 3: a little act badge on it if she worked with

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Speaker 3: the act party, stuck a little act badge on it,

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Speaker 3: and then came and left it outside our door and

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Speaker 3: didn't even take I had to do like the most

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Speaker 3: epic amount of investigation involving David Seawater find out and

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Speaker 3: then to think that Jason wall is just leaving that

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Speaker 3: tea lying there unclaimed. So ungrateful, unrail take it because

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Speaker 3: it's not a lot of time. You don't often get

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Speaker 3: freebies from the ACT Party.

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Speaker 24: I'll tell you that I gave it, Simon Next, Questions, answers,

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Speaker 24: facts analysis, the drive show you trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Heather du Pusy on Drive with One New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 9: There'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Chris Luckson has twice said today that he wants

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Speaker 3: to raise the retirement age to sixty seven. Now this

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Speaker 3: is after pulling more government support out of our other

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Speaker 3: retirement scheme, key we Saver yesterday's budget. Chris Luckson says

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Speaker 3: they'll take the proposal to next year's election.

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Speaker 22: I think we should try to make the case of

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Speaker 22: the Sex and seven the cleans way of del third

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Speaker 22: and I think elections or that exactly again.

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Speaker 3: But of course there's a catch in that catch be

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters. David Seymour is the other leader of the

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Speaker 3: other coalition party, the ACT Party, and with us now, hey, David.

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Speaker 5: Hey, ever, would you support going to sixty seven. Well,

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Speaker 5: we've campaigned on it for years, and often to our cost.

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Speaker 5: I suspect that people have been turned off voting act

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Speaker 5: because there's some truth are expensive to tell politically. But

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Speaker 5: the reality is that our country now has a major

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Speaker 5: problem with balancing the budgets over the next decade and beyond.

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Speaker 5: That's because every year about sixty thousand people turned sixty

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Speaker 5: five and live longer, and the number of children they

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Speaker 5: had to keep paying taxes is less than it was

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Speaker 5: in say, the nineteen sixties, when this whole thing became

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Speaker 5: the norm. So I believe it's actually essential that we

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Speaker 5: face up to it and change of in saying it

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Speaker 5: for a long time. I remember when the National parties

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Speaker 5: said they were going ho for the change, but they

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Speaker 5: wanted to start it in twenty thirty seven. That was

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Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen, twenty years delay on the policy, and

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Speaker 5: then of course a few years went by and they said, well, look,

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Speaker 5: we might do it by twenty forty four. So, of course,

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Speaker 5: is now coming back into the present and saying we've

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Speaker 5: got to start being honest with each other about our future,

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Speaker 5: then I would support that and welcome to the position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the difficulty you guys are going

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Speaker 3: to have is that there is so much welfare that's

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Speaker 3: just handed out. I feel like that social contract to

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Speaker 3: touch that, you would probably have to wind back a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of other welfare first to save money, don't

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Speaker 3: you think, well.

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Speaker 5: I just think the fact that turning away from retirement,

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Speaker 5: one in six New Zealanders right now are on some

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Speaker 5: sort of benefit. Now, I believe that there should be

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Speaker 5: something for people who are you, only have a disability

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Speaker 5: or can't work. In fact, I think there's people in

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Speaker 5: those circumstances who should have more. But I refuse to

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Speaker 5: believe that one in six working age New Zealanders unable

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Speaker 5: to work. It's just an outrage, really, And that's why

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Speaker 5: the biggest item on the government budget. I mean, we're

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Speaker 5: spending about one hundred and forty five billion dollars on

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Speaker 5: everything in the budget, but over forty five of that

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Speaker 5: one hundred and forty five is basically super and benefits

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Speaker 5: of various sorts and form both.

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Speaker 3: Are you counting things like the winter energy payment, the

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Speaker 3: best start payment, working for families, like the whole.

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Speaker 4: Lot of it.

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Speaker 5: I'm counting those, but I'm also counting things like sole

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Speaker 5: parent support, which many listeners will know is the DPB

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Speaker 5: Job Seeker many will know as the doll.

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Speaker 4: You add it all together, and.

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Speaker 5: There's things like invalids and veterans and things that I

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Speaker 5: think we should absolutely stand behind and ideally increase. But

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Speaker 5: they're one in six is far too many. And frankly,

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Speaker 5: you know, I look around Parliament and I see it

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Speaker 5: appears to be possible for people to work well past

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Speaker 5: sixty five. So I think it's time for everyone to

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Speaker 5: get on board.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, did you realize, because Jonesy obviously didn't realize,

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Speaker 3: did you realize that there's no cap on how much

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Speaker 3: these people can spend on assets and then claim the

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Speaker 3: twenty percent tax incentive?

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean, I you know, I've seen

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Speaker 5: people criticize that feature, but if you think about it,

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Speaker 5: there's no risk to the government. If people end up

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Speaker 5: doing more investment in capital equipment than we thought, then

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Speaker 5: that's true, that's more money, that more investment that we

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Speaker 5: won't be able to text as much. But overall there's

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Speaker 5: still more investments, so it's not as they were going

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Speaker 5: to be worse off.

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Speaker 3: No, no, But is there not a chance that the

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Speaker 3: six point six that you've set aside billion dollars obviously

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Speaker 3: over four years blows out.

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Speaker 5: Well when there is, but it's also true that if

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Speaker 5: that happened, it's because there's even more investment than we

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Speaker 5: thought and we'll actually get more tax off.

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Speaker 3: At in the lock run, so it pays for itself.

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Speaker 4: How did Jones not realize that ability?

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Speaker 5: No cap Look, I mean, I think he may see

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Speaker 5: me as the nerdy end of the of the government spectrum,

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Speaker 5: but sometimes you know, it has its advantages.

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Speaker 3: It was very magnanimous of you, well, said David Seymour,

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Speaker 3: Act Party leader. I think what we're trying to we're

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Speaker 3: what we're establishing. As Jones, he was not necessarily paying

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Speaker 3: attention at that particular meeting. Twelve past five, Heather do

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Speaker 3: for Sea concern over how the Trump administration's latest move

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Speaker 3: against Harvard University will affect Kiwi students who are over there.

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Speaker 3: The Ivy League university has been banned from enrolling any

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Speaker 3: more overseas students, and anyone who's actually studying there right

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Speaker 3: now will have to either transfer out to another university

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Speaker 3: or leave the country or risk deportation.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 3: Jamie Beaton is a co founder of Crimson Education, which

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Speaker 3: helps the international students get into these Ivy League school schools. Jamie, Hello,

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Speaker 3: how's it going very well? Thank you, Jamie. Are we

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Speaker 3: taking this seriously? Do we think Trump's actually going to

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Speaker 3: do this?

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Speaker 23: Trump's policy here is very similar to his one hundred

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Speaker 23: and twenty percent tariff on China, which is it's a

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Speaker 23: short term pressure hit against Harvard to try to make

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Speaker 23: them comply to some of his more aggressive demands. So

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Speaker 23: I would suspect this is probably going to last for

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Speaker 23: three months or so. We're of course planning for adverse scenarios,

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Speaker 23: but it seems like it's more a bluster than something

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Speaker 23: that will stick around for a while.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if it does stick around for three months,

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Speaker 3: does it affect you, like, is that enough to actually

879
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Speaker 3: disrupt your business?

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Speaker 23: Business wise, we are totally fine because our students applied

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Speaker 23: to a wide brand of US schools, So you know,

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Speaker 23: we had thirty six kids go to Harvard, which is

883
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Speaker 23: you know, was the most globally last year in our industry.

884
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Speaker 23: But that's still a small fraction of thousands we sent.

885
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Speaker 23: So business wise, all good, but we're more focused than

886
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Speaker 23: our students and the ones holding Harvard offers, and how

887
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Speaker 23: are they going to navigate this next period where they

888
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Speaker 23: can make choices last for example letting it out technique

889
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Speaker 23: gap or even they could take some online courses from

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Speaker 23: Harvard while they wait for this thing to clear up.

891
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Speaker 23: So we're navigating that for the students that are directly affected.

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Speaker 3: Are there some workarounds where you can just keep on

893
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Speaker 3: kind of plugging at it despite this?

894
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Speaker 23: Yes, there are.

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Speaker 25: So.

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Speaker 23: During COVID, a lot of students left America and they

897
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Speaker 23: were doing online courses from their home country. The Department

898
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Speaker 23: of Homeland Security can restrict F one visas temporarily, but

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Speaker 23: they can't stop Harvards, for example, facilitating online course students

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Speaker 23: sitting in New Zealand or Australia. So temporarily, if they

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Speaker 23: needed to, they could just do their Harvard degree from elsewhere.

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Speaker 23: And also, Harvard has the world's best roster of exchange

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Speaker 23: partners for universities, so a student could easily do one

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Speaker 23: semester abroad and then come back to campus once this

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Speaker 23: thing sells down. So there are a number of move

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Speaker 23: students can make temporarily, But the question is how long

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Speaker 23: it lasts. We think it's unlikely the spreads to more

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Speaker 23: campuses and it's a very focused Harvard hits.

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Speaker 3: Now, is this going to affect your cinder who's there

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Speaker 3: on a fellowship?

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Speaker 23: So students from the fellowship right now, it may directly

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Speaker 23: affect and their mate. I mean that the scholarship money

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Speaker 23: wouldn't be removed, but there would be risks to them

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Speaker 23: having to, for example, leave the country on short notice.

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Speaker 23: For the most directly affect the people are those that

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Speaker 23: probably are in one year programs for which it is

917
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Speaker 23: quite disruptive of their life. Probably a lot of the

918
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Speaker 23: graduate students in particular, who you know, were planning around

919
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Speaker 23: being on campus and being out at a certain time.

920
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Speaker 23: So I would say for those students, the keep thing

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Speaker 23: to figure out is, you know, can they just keep

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Speaker 23: doing their courses from afar? Of course those doing research

923
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Speaker 23: won't be that affected because they can do that from

924
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Speaker 23: other places, but it will be course work based mass

925
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Speaker 23: programs that are one year long, and it could be

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Speaker 23: a bit more spicy.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, thank you very much, really appreciated Jamie beat and

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Speaker 3: Crimson Education co founder. Right, we need we've got a

929
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Speaker 3: lot to get through, but also social media up next

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Speaker 3: quarter past listen. I got an email from somebody today.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to name them because I'm not sure

932
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Speaker 3: that I should. But they work for ASB and they

933
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Speaker 3: told me ASB is upping the key. We save the

934
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Speaker 3: contributions for their make that they make for their stuff

935
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Speaker 3: almost immediately, because in the budget yesterday it said all

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Speaker 3: you know, all employers have to go from its three

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Speaker 3: percent three percent contribution to a four percent four percent

938
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Speaker 3: of contribution by I think it's within the next three

939
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Speaker 3: years or thereabouts, ASB starting in September. So got on

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Speaker 3: them for doing that. Eighteen past five. Now, as the

941
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Speaker 3: debate rolls on over whether the government should ban under

942
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Speaker 3: sixteens from social media, and Australian clinical psychologist is visiting

943
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Speaker 3: New Zealand arguing that we absolutely should, Doctor Danielle Einstein

944
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Speaker 3: is with us now, Doctor Danielle, Hello, Hi, have mate.

945
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Speaker 3: I can't get past your surname. I know, how good

946
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Speaker 3: is that? Any relation?

947
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Speaker 26: Well, I've kept it going.

948
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Speaker 14: We come from the same family and all, so, but

949
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Speaker 14: that's as close as it gets.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty cool. Now listen, do you think I

951
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Speaker 3: mean the big debate that we're having here in New

952
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Speaker 3: Zealand about whether the government should do this or not

953
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Speaker 3: is whether they actually can do it. Is it doable?

954
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Speaker 14: I spoke with your Minister for Education today and she

955
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Speaker 14: has some fantastic ideas. And what is really important here

956
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Speaker 14: is that we are asking the platforms to step up.

957
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Speaker 26: So it's not a question of its whether it's doable.

958
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Speaker 26: It's a question of who has skin in the game.

959
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Speaker 14: The platforms need to take some responsibility for the age

960
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Speaker 14: of which young people are on their platforms because it's

961
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Speaker 14: just causing so many harms. We actually just can't afford not.

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Speaker 9: To do it.

963
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Speaker 3: But this sounds to me like it's not doable. What

964
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Speaker 3: do you mean so like it is not doable for

965
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Speaker 3: these guys to verify that somebody at fifteen is not

966
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Speaker 3: sixteen and that somebody at sixteen is sixteen.

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Speaker 26: These platforms know how you're feeling.

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Speaker 14: These platforms know how you're posting, what you're sharing, They

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Speaker 14: know how and they can read it.

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Speaker 26: They can do that, They will be able to do it.

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Speaker 26: That is a sidetrack argument, can they do it?

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Speaker 14: The real concern is the actual advocates and the people

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Speaker 14: that are actually misinterpreting evidence and data and saying it's

974
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Speaker 14: not really harming everyone, it's not harming them.

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Speaker 26: In the same way.

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Speaker 14: We are all being affected, whether it's the individual under

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Speaker 14: sixteen or the skio at which they go to and

978
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Speaker 14: the group at which they're in, whether they actually feel

979
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Speaker 14: like they belong. And the mental health crisis which is

980
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 14: affecting countries around the world is undeniable. So we just

981
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Speaker 14: it's not a question of durable or age assurance. It's

982
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Speaker 14: a question of whether it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 3: Danielle, I'm starting to form. I'm a mother, but my

984
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Speaker 3: children are very young. The preschool is so well under

985
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Speaker 3: the age of using the social media. But obviously have

986
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Speaker 3: been reading things in advance, like The Anxious Generation and stuff,

987
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Speaker 3: and I have come to the view that I think

988
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Speaker 3: that social media is as bad for their little brains

989
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Speaker 3: as sigis are for their lungs. Am I being hysterical?

990
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Speaker 14: No, it's actually it has our phones and our computers

991
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Speaker 14: and our emails, and in particular social media, which is

992
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 14: particularly persuasive and pervasive.

993
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 26: It hooks us, it it pulls us in. It's addictive.

994
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 14: You can fill the addictive pull as you walk in

995
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Speaker 14: the door of your home, and you if you pick

996
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Speaker 14: up your phone and try and look, Am I want it?

997
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Speaker 9: Am?

998
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Speaker 26: I needed somewhere. That's how you can tell.

999
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Speaker 14: Or if you get into the car and need to

1000
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Speaker 14: be connected immediately that second, you can feel it's an

1001
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 14: invisible draw card.

1002
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Speaker 26: It's the dope.

1003
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Speaker 14: I mean, it's the uncertainty heather of is there something

1004
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 14: good possibly waiting for me? And the important thing to

1005
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 14: know is that because there's not always something good, sometimes

1006
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 14: we don't get the message we want.

1007
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Speaker 26: Then we look somewhere else on our phone, all.

1008
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Speaker 14: Right, or our computer or our message for something else,

1009
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Speaker 14: and all of a sudden, particularly children who just don't

1010
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Speaker 14: have the emotional wherewithal yet, they just don't have the

1011
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 14: tools yet to manage themselves and it's affecting their development.

1012
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Speaker 26: And that's what that's the message we've got to get out.

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00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: Danielle. It's good to talk to you. Look after yourself,

1014
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Speaker 3: Doctor Danielle Einstein, clinical psychologist. Right, we're going to talk

1015
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Speaker 3: next about Joe Biden in this Business with health cover

1016
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Speaker 3: Ups five twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Informed Inside into Today's issues, duplicy Ellen Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, let's get connected youth talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be sports.

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Speaker 3: Huttle's going to be with us shortly hither the contract

1021
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: for the pension was sixty then it went to sixty three,

1022
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: then it went to sixty five. So where in the

1023
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: contract does it say it can never be changed as

1024
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Speaker 3: a fair point. It's twenty five past five. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to name any names, but I was

1026
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Speaker 3: listening to a podcast this morning and it was featuring

1027
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Speaker 3: a political commentator who has a reasonable profile in the US,

1028
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Speaker 3: and he was explaining his conspiracy theory that Joe Biden

1029
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: wasn't actually diagnosed with prostate cancer last week, but last year.

1030
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Speaker 3: And what he thinks is Joe Biden was actually diagnosed

1031
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Speaker 3: in the middle of twenty twenty four, and it was

1032
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Speaker 3: around about the time in July that Joe Biden sent

1033
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Speaker 3: out that tweet that said I'm sick and then really

1034
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Speaker 3: quickly deleted it. And this conspiracy theory goes that they

1035
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Speaker 3: then put Joe Biden on hormone treatment, which makes your

1036
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: thinking a little bit cloudy, which explains why Joe Biden

1037
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: would get extra confused at times, and they deliberately kept

1038
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Speaker 3: it quiet in the hope that he he could still

1039
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Speaker 3: run again and then could win the election. And basically

1040
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Speaker 3: the whole thing was a cover up. And then this

1041
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: guy said something along the lines of, well, the Biden

1042
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: team denies it, but we know they lie, they don't

1043
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: we because they covered up his mental decline, And this

1044
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: is their problem, isn't it. This is why so many

1045
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: people don't believe that Biden's cancer was only diagnosed this month,

1046
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: because the Biden team has done this once and been busted.

1047
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 3: When everyone else could see that he was going gaga,

1048
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Speaker 3: when Fox was running videos of him stumbling and making

1049
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: no sense, they kept on denying that he was going gaga.

1050
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Speaker 3: When it was so imperent for the whole world to

1051
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: see that things were not right in that debate with Trump,

1052
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: they kept on denying it. And now we're reading books

1053
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Speaker 3: about the fact that they knew the whole way through

1054
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: and they just covered it up. But here's the problem.

1055
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Speaker 3: Whether we believe that Biden had his cancer diagnosis just

1056
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: in the last few days or a year ago doesn't

1057
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Speaker 3: actually matter, because that's actually not the biggest problem here.

1058
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: The biggest problem is that these guys have infected our

1059
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: perception of the entire political class across the Western world,

1060
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Speaker 3: haven't they. And I really don't think that's an exaggeration.

1061
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Speaker 3: They didn't just undermine voter confidence in the Biden team,

1062
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Speaker 3: or just in the Democrats, or even just in the

1063
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: political parties in the United States. They have undermined our

1064
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: belief in the entire political class in the Western world

1065
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: because we already suspected that our politicians fibbed to us,

1066
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Speaker 3: don't we We suspect they ferb and they twist the

1067
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Speaker 3: truth and they mislead us. I mean, just cast your

1068
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Speaker 3: mind back to the pulpit of truth for five seconds

1069
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: and remember all of those FIBs that were coming off

1070
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Speaker 3: that maybe it's little lies, maybe it's big lies, but

1071
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: we've always suspected it. Well, we just watched it play

1072
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Speaker 3: out in the most obvious line in front of the

1073
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Speaker 3: whole wide world. And I think, if you're prepared, if

1074
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Speaker 3: you can see it playing out like that with Biden,

1075
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Speaker 3: where else is it happening, brace yourself. I reckon for

1076
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Speaker 3: more conspiracy theories being openly aired brazenly in public now,

1077
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Speaker 3: because that's what happens when you don't trust the truth anymore.

1078
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Speaker 3: And frankly, of Biden, who was the quote good guy

1079
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Speaker 3: of American politics, could lie so brazenly, then voters an't

1080
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Speaker 3: gonna trust anyone.

1081
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Speaker 4: Heather do per Se Allen.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which Jake Tapper. Do you remember Jake Tapper

1083
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Speaker 3: wrote the book. He's written the book with another guy

1084
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Speaker 3: from Axios. Anyway, I'm gonna Jake Tapper's just apologized multiple

1085
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Speaker 3: times for failing to cover the Trump thing. Probably all.

1086
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Speaker 3: I'll run you through that before the end of this hour.

1087
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Speaker 3: Headlines next, and then let's go find out how on

1088
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Speaker 3: earth are going to manage two sold out games at

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Speaker 3: Mount Smart in two days. News tipsippe.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be normal.

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Speaker 13: To me out the dover shot of whiskey. They named

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Speaker 13: ja Downtown.

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Speaker 18: There's a party downtown near Fair Street. Everybody had buket.

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Speaker 1: Either.

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Speaker 3: I listened to exactly the same podcast. Good from you, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: It's quite a good podcast, doesn't it. It's quite wild

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Speaker 3: hearing that conspiracy theory sports title standing by. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: four away from six now. It's a huge weekend this

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Speaker 3: week ago media Mount Smart Stadium. You got two sold

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Speaker 3: out games, the Auckland FC second semi final which is

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Speaker 3: happening tomorrow, and then the Warriors on Sunday. The stadium

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Speaker 3: has also just been given the prize for the Best

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Speaker 3: Stadium Atmosphere by the Football Players Association.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: Mike Gray is the managing director at GO Media, who

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Speaker 3: sponsor the stadium, is with us now, Mike.

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Speaker 9: Hallo, Hi here, They're lovely to talk to you again.

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Speaker 3: It's lovely tools you. Congrats on that award. Listen. How

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Speaker 3: much work is it going to be for these guys

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Speaker 3: having to turn around what's too sold out games in

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Speaker 3: two days?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 25: The ground staff they are pretty impressive, to be honest,

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Speaker 25: so they've got quite seasoned at this. I was over

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Speaker 25: in Sydney with the Crusaders last weekend and I was

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Speaker 25: looking at the state of the ground at the Aliens

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Speaker 25: and it wasn't good. So I think they do an

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Speaker 25: incredible job at GO Media.

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Speaker 3: What do they actually have to do to the turf

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Speaker 3: to keep it up to scratch?

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Speaker 25: Oh, they just make sure people don't go on it

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Speaker 25: as little as they can. They're mowing it constantly, all

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Speaker 25: those sorts of things. But it's just it's a great purchase.

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Speaker 25: It's just looked after.

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Speaker 3: Will you ever watch what they do between games? Like

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Speaker 3: they're going to have to do something on Sunday morning

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Speaker 3: to make sure that the turf is okay for Sunday

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, well they have to remark it. They have to

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Speaker 25: get the rugby posts up soccer GOLs down. So I

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Speaker 25: have actually watched it taking place after games where they've

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Speaker 25: got to get it ready for the next day.

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Speaker 9: So, yeah, they're on nights, do they Sometimes they do? Yep.

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Speaker 25: They're literally mowing it to get rid of the paint

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Speaker 25: lines and they start straight away.

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Speaker 3: Oh so game one has to have a little bit

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Speaker 3: longer in terms of the grass than game two.

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Speaker 9: Well, depending on the sport, but yes, they do like

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Speaker 9: different cuts and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which game are you more invested in? I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to lie, I'm more invested in the football?

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Speaker 4: Well my I margin, well, no I am.

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Speaker 25: I am specifically tomorrow because I want them to get

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Speaker 25: to the final.

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Speaker 9: I think they deserve it.

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Speaker 25: They've been outstanding and it'd be so cool to have

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Speaker 25: them to have a final, which will be in Auckland.

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Speaker 25: But you know, the Warriors two on the table and

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Speaker 25: I'm going to call it. I think it's going to

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Speaker 25: be the year. I think they're going to go the

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Speaker 25: whole way this year. Do you think so, yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to It's just words, Mike, What are you

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Speaker 3: going to put behind those words?

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Speaker 9: My Adolha, that's not a loss, is it. Hey?

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Speaker 3: Now, how are you feeling about that situation with the

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Speaker 3: boutique stadium that's going to be built potentially at Western Springs,

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Speaker 3: because that's going to rip these guys away from you?

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Speaker 25: Oh well, I've got relationships with both of the bidders,

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Speaker 25: so it's a bit hard for me to comment. But

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Speaker 25: I think at the end of the day, what Auckland

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Speaker 25: needs is the right type of stadiums for the community.

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Speaker 9: And as long as the whatever's developed there.

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Speaker 25: Because it's at public consultation now, as long as it's

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Speaker 25: fit for purpose, I think that's the key one. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, listen, have a lovely weekend. Thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for your time. I hope you have a wonderful time.

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Speaker 3: That's Mike Grave, managing director at GO Media naming rights

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Speaker 3: obviously for Mount Smart and I twenty one away from.

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Speaker 1: Six Friday Sports with New Zealand Souberby's International Realty find

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Speaker 1: You're one of a kind, clear.

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Speaker 7: Foot in touch there, So I'm going to go back

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Speaker 7: and disallow to try because it's a clear footing touch.

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Speaker 7: That wasn't the final attacking phase within scoring. As Artie

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Speaker 7: Savi pointed out, the Blues got the ball back.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting discussion point. Can you

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Speaker 3: talk to these court?

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Speaker 7: God afternoon added mission from Super Rugby officials and the

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Speaker 7: refereeing panel made a mistake disallowing a more onea pacific a.

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Speaker 9: Dry That's okay. I think of angus and the refs

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Speaker 9: always talk to them like we're human. We make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: On the sports title this evening, Andrew Ordison news trug

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Speaker 3: Z'DB sports reader and Nick Bewley commentating the Crusaders Highlanders

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Speaker 3: game live and free from seven o'clock on Gold HALLO

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Speaker 3: you too.

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Speaker 9: Great?

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Speaker 6: See that? Greens?

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Speaker 3: Or does you go into this? Are you going to

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Speaker 3: either of the matches over the weekend? No, I'm not, Ashley.

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Speaker 15: I'll probably sit there and put my feet up and

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Speaker 15: watch on Telly.

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Speaker 3: And there is a joy to that of a nice

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Speaker 3: warm fire. Yeah nice? Is that wild? Is that because

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Speaker 3: you want to be home or is it simply because

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Speaker 3: no one's invited you?

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Speaker 9: Oh? Probably, but of both.

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Speaker 12: No, I'm happy to be home, believe you me.

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Speaker 19: That'll be good.

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Speaker 3: Just watch it with the kids on the count totally.

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Speaker 3: Now listen next, I'll tell you what's really got me

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Speaker 3: quite unnecessarily wound up this week as the Super Rugby rules.

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Speaker 3: How on earth are we supposed to follow the game

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Speaker 3: if the refs can't follow the game.

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Speaker 8: That's a good point, isn't it? And I'm glad I

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Speaker 8: don't have a hard copy of the rugby law book.

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Speaker 8: Would be pretty heavy away around towards as they head

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Speaker 8: to Apollo Project Stadium tonight for the Crusaders Highlanders. But

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Speaker 8: look at it is frustrating.

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Speaker 9: I must have been.

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Speaker 8: We're talking about that incident last week with the foot

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Speaker 8: and touch, and I felt really sorry for Angus Gardner,

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Speaker 8: the referee.

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Speaker 9: He stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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Speaker 8: He's seen a really obvious, a clear and obvious foot

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Speaker 8: and touch, irrespective of World Rugby's you know, over complicated

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Speaker 8: complex laws. Ultimately the place should it should have been

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Speaker 8: picked up fundamentally by the assistant referee, but it shouldn't

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Speaker 8: have been a try.

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Speaker 3: So but now we find out maybe it should have

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Speaker 3: been a try because between the foot being in touch

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Speaker 3: and the try.

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Speaker 8: Posession, that's right, that's right, and and the fact that

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Speaker 8: it's changed again since the most i guess highly scrutinized

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Speaker 8: incident at the regularl Cup when the All Blacks were

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Speaker 8: disallowed to try you know, the two phases. It gets

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Speaker 8: even more complicated based on if it's an obstruction or

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Speaker 8: a penalty offense, let alone a foot in touch or

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Speaker 8: a knock on or a forward pass. So look, I

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Speaker 8: think we're trying to find perfection in an imperfect world. Personally,

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Speaker 8: I think they should have played, you know, played to

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Speaker 8: what they saw. It was clear and obvious. But at

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Speaker 8: the same time, you know that the administrators are determined

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Speaker 8: to let the game flow, and the fans want that

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Speaker 8: too in terms of television Match official coming in. So

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Speaker 8: I just think when it's clear and of years, which

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Speaker 8: it was, that that's when the TMO can jump in,

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Speaker 8: rather than you know, all these spots and maybes or

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Speaker 8: shades of gray for very rare circumstances like what we

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Speaker 8: saw on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Just what actually is the problem here? Is is it

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Speaker 3: the overly complicated rules or is it the TMO involving

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Speaker 3: themselves and then getting it wrong.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think in that I mean, keep's a good

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Speaker 15: referred everything, but they've missed. If they've missed the foot

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Speaker 15: and touch, that's where the problem started. And I mean

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Speaker 15: the rule seems relatively clear at least if it's in

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Speaker 15: the last attacking play, then yep, you can ping it.

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Speaker 15: And if it's not, and in this case it's not,

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Speaker 15: then you can't. So that would be relatively clear cut.

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Speaker 15: But as Nick mentions, they've flip flopped around these sort

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Speaker 15: of things right back, you know, you go back to

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Speaker 15: that World Cup final, et cetera. It's just and then's

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Speaker 15: just a straking fans taking fans away from the game,

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Speaker 15: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: You can I put something to you. Okay, So Angus

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00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 3: Gardner looks at it on the field and he goes,

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Speaker 3: it's a try, right, and then TMO goes, actually, hang

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00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: on the tank, let me go back glance, No there's

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Speaker 3: a fooden touch. But if TMO wants to go backwards

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Speaker 3: and go no, actually there was a foot in touch,

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Speaker 3: then why didn't TMO see that there was also a

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00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 3: change in possessions? Do you know what I mean? Like

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Speaker 3: it's it feels to me like if they had just

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00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 3: not sad, if TMO didn't exist right now, we wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even be having this debate because the try would have

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Speaker 3: been awarded and it would have been the right call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's just a clanger.

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Speaker 3: It's a isn't it.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Yeah, yeah it is.

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Speaker 9: It is.

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Speaker 15: Okay, But then I've got to be able to But

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Speaker 15: then the original part of that is the foot should

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Speaker 15: have been picked up in touch before that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, possibly, Okay, So here's the nuclear option. Nick that

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00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: Elliott is trying to push this as Elliot Smith and

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00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: he knows as Rugger. He says, you've got to get

1278
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: rid of the TMO altogether. What do you think?

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00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 9: No, I disagree with Elliott on that.

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Speaker 8: I think I think that we need to be very

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00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 8: clear and I think that that Rugby is trying its

1282
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 8: utmost to figure out the exact involvement of the TMO,

1283
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 8: because I think we can all agree last year, in

1284
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Speaker 8: the last couple of years, it was getting too much,

1285
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 8: and it was it was ruining the flow of the game.

1286
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 8: Fans were frustrated, players, administrators and so on. You know,

1287
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 8: there seems to have tied it up that by and large,

1288
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 8: But ultimately I actually think the problem and again I'd

1289
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 8: have to go back and just clarify, but it came

1290
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 8: up on the big screen as part of like the

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 8: broadcast replay, so that they put it up, everyone else

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 8: saw it, and then they had to act upon it

1293
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 8: because ultimately it's a put of Dutch. So that's where

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 8: I think clear and obvious. If it's clear and obvious,

1295
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 8: you know, we're not talking about is that ford? Is

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00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 8: it mildly a forward pass? Is it a blade of

1297
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 8: grass between it? You know, Lalamela, Lola Milo's full right

1298
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 8: boot was on that was on that pape, so that

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Speaker 8: that that's where that's where it starts and finishes for me.

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00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 8: I think they're going some way to doing it. And

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Speaker 8: and look, this is a problem for sport, not only rugby,

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 8: but you know, you look at football at the moment,

1303
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 8: you've got the involvement of the vaar. You look at

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 8: you know, the the the increasement of technology and sport

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Speaker 8: is something every every code is trying to wrestle with.

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Speaker 8: But ultimately you've got to find that balance between over

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Speaker 8: involvement and the absolute striving for perfection when you know,

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Speaker 8: just like players, officials and referee make mistakes too.

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Speaker 3: Now, all right, we'll take a break, come back with

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Speaker 3: you guys in the tickets quarter to.

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Speaker 1: Two the Freight East Sports title with New Zealand Southby's International.

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Speaker 4: Reality the ones with local and global reach.

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Speaker 3: Right, you're back at the sports tittle Andrew Ordison and

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Speaker 3: Nick Beerley orders, have you caught up with some run

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Speaker 3: at straight event business that's going on?

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Speaker 20: I have indeed here.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I felt like, you know, you're Marty McFly getting

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Speaker 15: in the deloreum and going back about thirty years.

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Speaker 20: I mean, it's just we've had all this evidence about concussion,

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Speaker 20: CT etc. Brain damage. I mean the trouble is if

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Speaker 20: you if you get rid of that, though, I suppose

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Speaker 20: that you're looking at boxing, you're looking at MMA, what

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Speaker 20: else would you ban? I suppose?

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Speaker 3: I mean there was a few that's crowd there.

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Speaker 26: You can't ban it.

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Speaker 3: Crowd marvel at the stupidity, can't you?

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Speaker 20: That's right exactly, That's that's my conclusion. If who want

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Speaker 20: to do that, I mean, you'd be funding it as

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Speaker 20: a tax pay later on when the you know, the

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Speaker 20: head injuries take their toll. But nonetheless, yeah, it's just

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Speaker 20: it just feels feels crazy doing that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, I get out, Nick, I need

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Speaker 3: you to explain something to me, though, because we had

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Speaker 3: George Burgess, the former Rabbit O on yesterday and he said,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing behind this is that it's like taking

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Speaker 3: you back to being in a war, you know. It's

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Speaker 3: like it's like the same stuff that they were doing

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Speaker 3: with the warrior spirit and just running at each other.

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Speaker 3: What the hell is wrong with men that you people

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Speaker 3: have to do this kind of thing?

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Speaker 8: Hey, hey, don't don't tarnish us all with the same

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Speaker 8: brush now here, and some of us are.

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Speaker 3: I've got a theory what I reckon is going on

1344
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: is men. It's well known and documented that men love

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01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 3: risk more than a woman, right, but the world has

1346
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 3: become too soft and there's not enough risk in the

1347
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: world for you anymore. Like, what's the biggest risk that

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01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: you face Probably going home and not packing the dishwasher.

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Speaker 3: So what's happening is there's some blokes out there who

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Speaker 3: are creating risk.

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Speaker 18: What do you think, Rocker.

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Speaker 8: I can't get my head around the run at straight content,

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Speaker 8: And to be perfectly honest, I was going to hopeful

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Speaker 8: we weren't going to give it too much oxygen tonight.

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Speaker 8: But look each to their own. If you want to

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Speaker 8: put yourself in that situation, there's absolutely no chance. I

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Speaker 8: don't think these competitors or runners would be doing if

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Speaker 8: there wasn't a surprise buddy involved.

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Speaker 9: They're not just doing.

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Speaker 8: It's a warrior spirit, you know, there's there's something in

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Speaker 8: it for them.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, it's not for me.

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Speaker 3: Now I feel really bad, don't you. Orders Like we've

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Speaker 3: got to stop talking about it or we're going to

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Speaker 3: be promoting it.

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Speaker 20: Where's it going to end up? Is it going to

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Speaker 20: sort end up with a running man territory or you know,

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Speaker 20: where do we where do we finish all this? I mean,

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Speaker 20: it feels like a real circus ack this one, and

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Speaker 20: I just don't know just that. Yeah, you're right here.

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Speaker 20: I think you've just got to consign it to you know,

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Speaker 20: if you want to go and do that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 20: well good luck to you. But boy, it's just a

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Speaker 20: thing like craziness.

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Speaker 3: Nicholasten, tell me, are you keen on the supercars event

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Speaker 3: that's coming down your part of the world?

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Speaker 8: Look on, no petrol head, but yeah, I think if

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Speaker 8: I have the time then I'll head along. And look,

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Speaker 8: I'm really pleased for the motorsport community down here, particularly

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Speaker 8: at the Cannabury Car Club who've put a lot of

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Speaker 8: work in to get this across the line. I'm fascinated

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Speaker 8: to see its level of interest. Like most things, I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, in a new addition to a sporting calendar,

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Speaker 8: there will be a bit of a novelty element for

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Speaker 8: the casuals and I think it'll be well supported initially.

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Speaker 8: I do wonder, you know, long term how sustainable it

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Speaker 8: could be with topaul there as well.

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Speaker 9: Look, you know, working in.

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Speaker 8: The sports media business, I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 8: maybe outside of a New Zealand leg and Bathhurst Supercars,

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Speaker 8: the interest for the casual sports observers probably weighing to

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Speaker 8: touch since the Scott McLaughlin Shane van Gisbergen days. But

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Speaker 8: then again, there's a young key we driver by the

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Speaker 8: name of Matt Payne, only twenty two years of agees

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Speaker 8: don't okay at the moment, so who knows, might be

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Speaker 8: sort of dawn of a new era. To you know,

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Speaker 8: we're a very successful motorsport country when you look at

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Speaker 8: you know, some of our most successful drivers around the world,

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Speaker 8: Scott Dixon and the like and lead lawson of course,

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Speaker 8: So I'm I can't wait to see how it goes.

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Speaker 9: And I really hope it is a success. Yeah. Same.

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Speaker 3: Listen, guys, go and enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it is Andrew Ordison and Nick Berley sports title

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Speaker 3: this evening eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk Z'B.

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Speaker 3: Heather. The TMO actually told the ref he should award

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Speaker 3: the try as there was a possession turnover, and Gardner

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Speaker 3: overruled him, which so I checked that with Nick Bewley,

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Speaker 3: and apparently that is entirely true. Not only did the

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Speaker 3: TMO say, hey, there was a possession to turn over,

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Speaker 3: you should you should award the try, but apparently one

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Speaker 3: of the line judges touch judges were also saying exactly

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Speaker 3: the same thing. So the whole thing is just because

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Speaker 3: it's just a shambles, isn't it. I mean, listen, I

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Speaker 3: keep coming. Actually, in the end, I come back to

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Speaker 3: the fact that it's just a rules problem because ultimately

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Speaker 3: the actually involved itself but got it right in the end.

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Speaker 3: By the looks of things, one of the refs missed

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Speaker 3: the fact that the foot was on the line. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: it's just too many rules complicating the thing, and you've

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Speaker 3: got all these people sitting there unable to decide what

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Speaker 3: to do. It's a rules problem. If nobody if you

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01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 3: can't agree, then it's a rules problem, I think now.

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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper, so do you remember back into it. This

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Speaker 3: is Jake Tapper who's written the book about Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: and his mental decline, in the fact that it was

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Speaker 3: all a cover up and blah blah blah. Jake works

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Speaker 3: for CNN. Do you remember back in twenty twenty, Jake

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Speaker 3: Tappa held that interview on CNN with Lara Trump. It

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Speaker 3: was a humdinger of an interview because Lara went on

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Speaker 3: the interview and said, oh, something wrong with Biden, Oh

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: something funny going on with him, mental decline, And Jake

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01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: got so ht up and he said she had no

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Speaker 3: qualifications to be deciding what was going on with Biden,

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Speaker 3: and he cut the interview off. And then guess what happened.

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: Jake wrote a book, didn't he, in which he basically

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Speaker 3: backed up exactly what Lara was saying. He now says

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01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 3: she he was right and I was wrong. He's apologized

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: to her. He said, I look back at that exchange

1441
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Speaker 3: and not just that, but my coverage in general with humility,

1442
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I did cover this. I can

1443
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 3: point to times where you know, I asked him this,

1444
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: or I asked him that, or I pointed this out

1445
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 3: to this person or whatever. Whatever. Jackie sound weak on this,

1446
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 3: but knowing what I now know, I barely scratched the surface.

1447
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Speaker 3: Very few people outside the conservative media world were doing so,

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Speaker 3: so there we go. I mean, it is quite like.

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing is that Jake is selling you a

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01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: book rise He's asking you to pay him to tell

1451
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 3: you a story which he could have told you five

1452
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: years ago for free if he was actually doing his

1453
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: journalism properly. But such as that's how the world works now.

1454
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: I meant to tell you earlier this week about Chorus

1455
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 3: pulling out the copper wires, but I didn't have time

1456
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 3: because it's been budget week and there's been all the

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01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: shenanigans going on with the Maori party and stuff. So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try and explain. I'll tell you about

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Speaker 3: it in the next hour. Next up, though, we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to Robin Walker, who is a tax expert,

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Speaker 3: on just how much we're going to end up paying

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Speaker 3: in this tax incentive skin potentially news talks at.

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Speaker 1: B where business meets insight the business hours with hither

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Speaker 1: duplessy Ellen and theirs, Insurance and investments, Grow your.

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Speaker 4: Wealth, Protect your future, News talks.

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Speaker 9: At B.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: have j Peter Lewis out of Asia, just get the

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Speaker 3: first real good indicator of what the trade tensions are

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Speaker 3: doing to the Chinese economy. Jason Woolves will wrap the

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Speaker 3: political week that wasn't. Gavin Gray will be with us

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Speaker 3: out of the UK where they are considering chemical castration

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Speaker 3: again seven Parlus six. Now to the budget yesterday, it

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Speaker 3: turns out there is no cap on how much the

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Speaker 3: government could end up spending on that business tax incentive

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01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: which was unveiled in that budget. It seems to have,

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Speaker 3: according to at least one report, called even Cabinet Minister

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Speaker 3: Shane Jones by surprise that businesses can spend as much

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Speaker 3: as they like and still claim the twenty percent tax incentive. Now,

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Speaker 3: Robin Walker is a tax partner with Deloitte and it's

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, have Robin Hi, were you surprised?

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Speaker 23: I was surprised.

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Speaker 27: I was absolutely gobsmacked. Why I just wasn't expecting it.

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Speaker 27: I thought when they took you know, depreciation of buildings,

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Speaker 27: which cost half a billion dollars to take money to

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Speaker 27: save some money, that you know, that was a huge number.

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Speaker 27: But this is three times that. I would never have

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Speaker 27: envisioned them spending this. But I think it's really positive.

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Speaker 3: Oh, hold on, I think we're talking about different things.

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Speaker 3: You are surprised that it's in the budget at all.

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Speaker 27: Yes, I was surprised it was in the budget at all.

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Speaker 27: I thought I'd do some tinkering.

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Speaker 3: That is, this is massive And are you surprised that

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Speaker 3: there is no cap.

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Speaker 27: I think having no cap puts the right incentives. But

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Speaker 27: I mean, obviously it makes it easy for people. So

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Speaker 27: it is important though that people think about how it

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Speaker 27: actually works through. So it's not like if you spend

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Speaker 27: one hundred dollars, you get twenty dollars cash back. The

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Speaker 27: actual cost of it is you get twenty percent is

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Speaker 27: a depreciation deduction. So if you're a company, you then

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Speaker 27: get your deduction is twenty eight percent of that.

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Speaker 4: So if you're.

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Speaker 27: Spending ten thousand dollars, for example, BET equates to a

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Speaker 27: cash tax saving of five hundred and sixty dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I worked it out. It's basically about five point

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Speaker 3: six percent of whatever is spending. Right, So you're spending

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Speaker 3: a billion, it's five point six percent of that that

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Speaker 3: you get back. Yep, we'll get off rather whatever.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Are you surprised that buildings are in there? Shit, buildings

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Speaker 3: been there, because it's somehow I had just imagined that

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Speaker 3: this would be for productive assets, assets that are going

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Speaker 3: to actually increase our productivity, not things like buildings.

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Speaker 27: Well, commercial buildings do have productive use. I mean, it's

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Speaker 27: definitely good for our building stock to be modern as well.

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Speaker 27: And one of the positive things is that improvements to

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Speaker 27: existing buildings, and we've got a lot of existing buildings

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 27: that need earthquake strengthening that will also qualify those expenses

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Speaker 27: have largely been what we call black hole. There's been

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Speaker 27: no deductions allowable for business owners for those and so

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Speaker 27: that was really creating a drag on people getting a

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Speaker 27: move on incurring that type of expenditure, whereas this will

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Speaker 27: put a real incentive on people to get started.

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Speaker 3: Would you have left it at twenty percent or would

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Speaker 3: you have gone higher?

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Speaker 27: When you look at the regulatory impact statement, and it's

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Speaker 27: a really good read for the Bostins out there who

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 27: need some weekend reading. They say that twenty percent is

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 27: the sweet spot.

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Speaker 23: So it's you know, it's obviously costing.

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Speaker 27: A lot, but it's not costing as much. So officials

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Speaker 27: also looked at whether or not they could reduce the

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Speaker 27: company tax rate by five percent instead of this, and

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Speaker 27: this was a lot cheaper.

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Speaker 3: The reason I ask is because, as I, as I

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Speaker 3: discussed on the show yesterday, both Donald Trump and Rishi

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: Sunac I've been told actually ran it out at about

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent. And I was having a chat to

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Speaker 3: former Revenue Minister stun Asho was in the budget yesterday

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Speaker 3: along with your good self, and he was saying to

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Speaker 3: me that businesses had asked for fifty percent, so twenty

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Speaker 3: percent seems on the low end.

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Speaker 27: Well it's still more than nothing.

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 3: You're you're you're so easily pleased.

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Speaker 23: I am easily please.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well we'll just take it's more than nothing. And

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Speaker 3: there there it is. Robin, I really appreciate it. Thank you,

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01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: look after yourself. Its Robin Walker, Deloitte tax partner. Yesterday

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: there was a big our interest in Wellington seems to

1551
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 3: have dropped off a little bit now that the largest

1552
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,919
Speaker 3: problem when Wellington is going to be gone by October.

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 3: This is Tory Fano, obviously, but there are still some

1554
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: interesting things that are happening in Wellington. And one of

1555
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 3: the things is that had this big meeting yesterday trying

1556
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: to decide what to do with you know, various various things,

1557
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: how to spend their money that would go in your house,

1558
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 3: blah blah. It's all very Wellington issues. But one of

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: the things they decided to do was to vote for

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Speaker 3: motorbikes and scooters and I'm talking about like mopeds to

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Speaker 3: pay parking rates of a dollar an hour. It would

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Speaker 3: apply Monday to Friday, and it would apply eight am

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01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 3: to eight pm, and you could park a dollar an hour,

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Speaker 3: and then once you had six dollars, it just at

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 3: stop says it's a six dollar cap. And not everybody

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01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: loved it because some of the counselors like Ben McNulty

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01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: started putting up some really ridiculous arguments like oh no,

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Speaker 3: you can't. You can't charge parking for a motorbike because

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Speaker 3: then everybody's going to be incentivized to drive their cars. Mate,

1570
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 3: think about what you're saying, Think about what you're saying

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: six dollars a day for a motorbike parking is not

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Speaker 3: even going to touch the sides of what you pay

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01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: for an hour with a car. So no, you're not

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 3: going to give up your bike and then start bringing

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 3: in your car that's going to be even more expensive.

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Speaker 3: You're numpty anyway. I like ben So I say numpty

1577
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: with love anyway. Anyway, I like the side apart from

1578
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 3: all those ridiculous arguments. I like this idea. Everybody needs

1579
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: to be doing this if everybody isn't already doing some

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01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: way when they're doing this earlier. Because what you need

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01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: to understand is that that motorbike car park is a

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01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: council asset and it needs to make the money for

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 3: the ratepayers, because if it's not making money for ratepayers,

1584
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 3: and the rate pays are basically providing it for free

1585
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: for the motorbike people. So it's good that the motorbike

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: people come and pay to use that, and that will

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01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 3: go just the tiny, tiny, tiny little way to contributing

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 3: to the rates, so the rates don't have to go

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Speaker 3: up by how much they're going up. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full show. Podcast

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Speaker 1: on My Art Radio, empowered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Hi head the just to infuriate the numpty brackets with

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 3: love some more. What we really need is number plates

1594
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 3: on cycles so that when they weave their way through

1595
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 3: the traffic dangerously, we can report them and have them

1596
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 3: taken off the road. Nick, A lot of people would

1597
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Speaker 3: agree with you. I'd imagine sixteen past six or it's

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Speaker 3: wrapped the political week that was with our political edits

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Speaker 3: to Jason Walls, welcome back, Thank you very much. What

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Speaker 3: was your favorite thing in the budget?

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Speaker 9: You know, I was.

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Speaker 18: There was a number of things, I think for me.

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01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 18: I there was a question to Nicola, and I thought

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01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 18: she handled the questions quite well. There was one in

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01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 18: particular about government debt and it was one of the reporters.

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 18: I'm not gonna name who they are, but essentially it

1607
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 18: was like, you know, it's only two percent.

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01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 3: I named in yesterday on the program.

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Speaker 18: Okay, it's Bernd Higgins. But Bernard has been asking since

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 18: I was essentially and said when it's essentially since I've

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 18: been born, right that why isn't the government borrowing more?

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 18: Why can't they just borrow more and just you know,

1613
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 18: eat the interest and Nicola Willis gave a really good

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01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 18: answer as to why that was a bad idea and

1615
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 18: talked about the interest bill being about eight or nine

1616
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 18: billion dollars a year, and it was it was quite

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 18: refreshing to hear somebody talk like this and to say

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 18: instead of just kind of taking the easy wrote in

1619
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 18: terms of getting and piling on more debts so we

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01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 18: can fund other things, that's actually saying we'll hang on

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Speaker 18: a second. We can't just ratchet up debt because people,

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 18: the young people of today are going to have to

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Speaker 18: pay for that tomorrow. And in saying that, I mean

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01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 18: the debt bill is still enormous, But it was I

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01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 18: thought it was good to hear her clap back if

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Speaker 18: you will do you know what I thought.

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Speaker 3: Was fascinating Yesterday I got talking to Paddy Gower naming

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Speaker 3: names again, got talking to Patty Gower in the lock

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01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 3: up and he said to me, oh, this is a

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: fantastic budget because it's a classic blue budget and there's

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Speaker 3: money for the farmers to go and buy a uton

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 3: then claim twenty percent back. And what occurred to me

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Speaker 3: while he was saying that is that we haven't quite

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Speaker 3: snapped out as a country of looking at these budgets

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Speaker 3: and like framing them as successful or not based on

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: who they give money to, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And there's always a tendency to say who the

1639
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 18: big winners are out of every single budget.

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 3: When actually this is a loser's budget because we are

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01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 3: our debt is heading to forty six percent. What we

1642
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 3: really need to be talking about as a country is

1643
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 3: what are we prepared to cut? What are we prepared

1644
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 3: to give up to get the books back in order?

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 3: And I don't know that we're quite getting there as

1646
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 3: a country yet, are we. If the framing is like

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Speaker 3: this is a great blue budget.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 18: Yeah, And it was actually quite interesting sitting right next

1650
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,959
Speaker 18: to you when you and Patty had that very animated

1651
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 18: and lively discussion. It was quite funny watching the two

1652
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 18: of you in full flight. But yeah, no, I mean

1653
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 18: I do tend to agree, and I think that we

1654
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 18: kind of need to wean ourselves off sort of the

1655
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 18: big winners and the big losers and kind of have

1656
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Speaker 18: a situation where we look at a budget and say,

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Speaker 18: we need a period of fiscal consolidation for a while

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Speaker 18: just to get things just on the straight and arrow.

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Speaker 3: Really you know what, I've met my match with Patty.

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 3: I couldn't get a word in each ways.

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Speaker 26: Did you know that?

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Speaker 18: Well, it was because I was sitting there trying to

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01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 18: take cuts for our bulletins and the only thing I

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01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 18: could hear was this is a great budget. And you

1665
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 18: were like, this is a terrible budget. It was it

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 18: was like it was great, Well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for noticing. So, I mean, look, have we has

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Speaker 3: this week? Has yesterday not underscored too chippy that he

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Speaker 3: should not take the side of the Maori Party ever,

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01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 3: they will embarrass him.

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Speaker 18: You would, you would think, and it's it's it's very

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Speaker 18: He stood up in the house and he gave he

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Speaker 18: he was one of the only ones that actually give

1674
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 18: a speech before Chris Bishop kind of surprised us all

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01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 18: and adjourned the debate. But he said, now listen, I'm

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Speaker 18: not defending the Marti Party, and everybody erupted in laughter

1677
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 18: because it's exactly what he was doing, and this idea

1678
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 18: that you know, he's pulling it back a little bit.

1679
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 18: In terms of the punishment from the Privileges Committee, they'd

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Speaker 18: recommended twenty one days for the co leaders. He had

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 18: said three days, and then later in the day, he

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Speaker 18: reverted that back to twenty four hours. But I mean,

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Speaker 18: and I think I've said this to you before. One

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Speaker 18: of the most fascinating things that I've heard recently was

1685
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 18: actually David Farrier on your show, and he was talking

1686
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Speaker 18: about the fact that he's done some polling about the

1687
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Speaker 18: drag effect on the leaders. And if you're a NAT

1688
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 18: you tend to like Winston and you tend to like

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Speaker 18: David Seymour, if you're a Labor supporter, you tend to

1690
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 18: not like the Tea Party, Marty Cole leaders and the Greens.

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Speaker 18: So I think he's got some real concerns there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, is that a surprise to you, Jason, No,

1693
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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 18: I think that the Labor Party is still a centrist party,

1695
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 18: but the left in terms of the Greens, anti Party Marty,

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01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 18: are moving very very much, Yeah, into this very left

1697
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 18: space which haven't seen occupied.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if we haven't all together appreciated that. Sure.

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 3: I mean, Actors you know, is kind of extreme in

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01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 3: some of the stuff, but they that extremity is nothing

1701
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 3: compared to how extreme the Maori Party is. Like they

1702
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: are so extreme that they actually make that whole coalition impossible.

1703
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 18: Right, and it's going to be something that Chris Hipkins

1704
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 18: is going to have to balance because I was talking

1705
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 18: to a few people last night from the various different

1706
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 18: parties and they were almost sort of rubbing their hands

1707
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 18: with glee in terms of the ads that they're going

1708
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 18: to run in the next election, because all they need

1709
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 18: to do is just sort of go back to that

1710
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 18: classic National Party ad where it's all the different parties

1711
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,839
Speaker 18: rowing the same row boat and going around in circles.

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Speaker 3: Jason, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

1713
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Speaker 3: As always, Jason Wall's political edits are wrapping the political

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Speaker 3: week that was. Hey from the budget Yesterday's a bit

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Speaker 3: of good news if you're one of those stats nerds.

1716
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 3: Stats has been given sixteen point five million dollars to

1717
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 3: start reporting inflation more frequently. So at the moment they

1718
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 3: reported quarterly and from the start of twenty twenty seven

1719
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Speaker 3: they will be reporting it monthly. Now this is good

1720
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Speaker 3: news because the infrequency of data, the fact that we

1721
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Speaker 3: only get it quarterly instead of monthly, is at least

1722
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: part of the reason why the Reserve Bank has so

1723
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: so badly cocked up the inflation story. It's why they

1724
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: went at least part of the reason why they went

1725
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: so hard health leather and printed the money and took

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Speaker 3: us to the inflation heights because they were like, no,

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Speaker 3: there's no inflation, no inflation, no inflate. Oh there's inflation

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Speaker 3: because the data wasn't coming through fast enough. And then

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Speaker 3: it's also potentially part of the reason why they've gone

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: so hard. They had to go so hard the other

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01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: way anyway, So fingers crossed getting it every month, which

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01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,839
Speaker 3: basically brings us up to speed with I would consider

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01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: most other countries are doing good news for US six

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Speaker 3: twenty two, croasing.

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01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results, it's hither dupicled with

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01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: the business hour and mass insurance and investment.

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 4: Let's throw your wealth protect your future.

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 9: These talks end me.

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01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 3: Look, if you if you've been following the situation with

1740
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 3: justice over in the UK, you'll know that they're running

1741
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 3: out of prison space. So one of their solutions is

1742
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: to instead of keeping the sex offenders in jail, chemically

1743
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,560
Speaker 3: castrate them, right, so give men, give them medication to

1744
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 3: suppress the seks drive and then let them out of jail.

1745
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 3: And they're considering making it mandatory. So we have chat

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 3: to Gavin Gray when he's with us shortly. It's twenty

1747
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 3: five past six now, so it was walking down Ponsmby

1748
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 3: Road earlier this week and the boy who's three loves

1749
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 3: to see anybody doing any work with road cones. Loves

1750
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 3: a road cone. So he currently in Auckland is absolutely

1751
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 3: beside himself just loving all the road cones because they're everywhere.

1752
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, every time we come across the road cone,

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01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 3: we've got to stop and ask the lads what they're

1754
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: up to. And these guys are still at the corner

1755
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 3: of I think it's like one of the little ones

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01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: you know around about. They're by toll And corner of

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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 3: toll And Ponds me or whatever round about there, and

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01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: they've they've got they've got the area coned off and

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01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: they've lifted the man cover and that they're down in

1760
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 3: the hole right, and so he wants to know what

1761
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: they're up to, and that pulling the copp cables out.

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01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 3: Chorus is pulling out the copper cables because as we know,

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01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 3: they're shutting down the copper network by twenty thirty five,

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01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: and if they have parts of the country where there's

1765
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 3: genuinely no one using it, anymore or very few people,

1766
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 3: and they just shut it down and rip out the cables. Anyway,

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01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 3: what's interesting about it is Chorus had said that they

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: were not going to keet the cables out of the ground,

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: they were going to leave them there, but presumab for them.

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01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 3: Presumably they then looked at the copper price, which is

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01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: astronomical right now, which is why old mates are running

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01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 3: around stealing copper, piping and stuff of people's houses, as

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01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 3: stealing stuff out of the state houses. Apparently, copper price

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01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 3: at the moment is four dollars sixty ish. It was

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01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: five years ago it was about half that. It's about

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01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 3: two dollars twenty or thereabouts. So if you can get

1777
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 3: your hands on a bit of copper, then you can

1778
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 3: make a mint. And Chorus has decided we are sitting

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 3: on a gold mine, so they're ripping that stuff. I do,

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01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's one of two ways

1781
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: of looking at this. You can either think, geez, that's desperate,

1782
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 3: or you can think waste not. And I'm very firmly

1783
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: of that opinion. I loved it. The two guys are

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01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: down there with those bolt cutters, and they would get

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01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 3: they were official the sound don't sound particularly official with

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01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: bolt cutters and stuff, but they were here. Do you

1787
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 3: want some tips for how to get in good night's sleep,

1788
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: Here you go. Tips for a good night sleep. According

1789
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: to the experts. What you need to do is obviously

1790
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 3: stay away from too much caffeine in the afternoon. Limit

1791
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 3: your alcohol use because it's going to fragment your sleep.

1792
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 3: This is in the Sydney Morning Herald. But also your

1793
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 3: bedroom temperature should be about seventeen to eighteen degrees, which

1794
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 3: is pretty cool. And then set an alarm for one

1795
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 3: hour before you expect to go to bed. When that

1796
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 3: alarm goes off, shut down all the lights in your house.

1797
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: You're going to be stunned by how sleepy you are

1798
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 3: in that hour before going to bed. Try not to

1799
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 3: use your devices. Limit it right, because the devices help

1800
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 3: you procrastinate your sleep and also as boring as the sound.

1801
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 3: Go to bed at exactly the same time every night

1802
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: and wake up at exactly the same time every day,

1803
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: and you will find that sleep regularity and just getting

1804
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 3: your body into a little clock and that hour's warning

1805
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 3: sleep like a baby. Headline's next, Oh, I get with mine.

1806
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 4: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1807
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen

1808
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: and Mays insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1809
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 17: You'se talks at me.

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 18: Absolutely right when you were.

1811
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 3: Talking to Jason Walls that the budgets need to deal

1812
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: with our foreign debt. Now on Hipkins's this year changed

1813
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: just into an abusive desperado. Look, I was quite surprised

1814
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 3: at I think that we fall into this trap when

1815
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 3: we do political coverage and in the press gallery. You

1816
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: fall into this trap where you assess a budget based

1817
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 3: on who did it give money to and how does

1818
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 3: it help the government win the next election, and look

1819
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: from a political lens, Like from the political perspective, that's

1820
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 3: not a bad lens, but that doesn't help us economically

1821
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: as a country, does it. Handing out money to like

1822
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: basically Paul Barreling, basically buying votes does not help the

1823
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 3: countries situation. And I feel like now that I'm out

1824
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: of the press gallery and out of Wellington, out of politics,

1825
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 3: starting to get a different perspective. I feel like I'm

1826
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: listening too much Hosking. To be honest, I'm going to

1827
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 3: turn into Hosking any minute now. Just be completely obsessed

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: with debt. But I think that is I think he's right.

1829
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Speaker 3: This is the most important thing actually anyway, now.

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Speaker 10: Don't keep that pin away from that desk either.

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01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 3: That is why this is our Yeah, Gavin Gray is

1832
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 3: going to be this out of the UK and ten

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01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: minutes time's twenty four away from seven.

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Speaker 4: Heather do for see Ellen.

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01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent is with us. Hello Peter,

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: Hello Heather. Peter. Now I'm looking at all of this

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01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 3: data that's coming out of China and it just looks

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: like a raft of bad news. Is there anything good

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01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 3: in there?

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Speaker 12: Well, it is a lot of data, and it's important

1841
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 12: data as well, because it's for April. And you'll remember

1842
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 12: back on the second of April, that's when Donald Trump

1843
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 12: declared Liberation Day and that announced all these reciprocal tarots,

1844
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 12: which went at one stage on China as high as

1845
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 12: why one hundred and forty five percent before they were

1846
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 12: withdrawn back down to about thirty percent. So the data

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01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 12: gives us an idea of what what's happened a couple

1848
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 12: of things. First of all, the impact of tariffs hasn't

1849
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 12: been as bad as initially feared. An industrial production which

1850
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 12: is a measure of manufacturing, and factory output did better

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 12: than what put people some thoughts. Manufacturing was up about

1852
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 12: six point six percent year on year, not a bad number,

1853
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 12: slowing still it had collapsed. Exports have collapsed to the

1854
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 12: US in that data, but what has happened is it's

1855
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 12: sort of been offset by exports elsewhere, in particular Southeast Asia,

1856
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 12: some of the emerging markets, the Middle East. So what

1857
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 12: we're seeing is that although shipping, shipments and exports to

1858
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 12: the US are definitely slowing as you would expect with

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01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 12: those high tariffs, there are new markets that China is

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 12: finding to help offset that. And it just shows that

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01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 12: really President Jiu Jinping's strategy is probably the right one,

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01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,799
Speaker 12: which is basically working on a new global trading system

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01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 12: that just doesn't involve the US. If the US doesn't

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 12: want to trade with China fair enough, we'll go and

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 12: trade elsewhere and build up an alternative trading system.

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Speaker 3: How much appetite do you think there is amongst other

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01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 3: trading countries like ourselves, like Australia blah blah blah to

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Speaker 3: actually lock in.

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Speaker 9: With she on that.

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Speaker 12: I think there is some I think have to be

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01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 12: careful about how far that will go because countries like Australia,

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01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 12: New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and not natural political allies

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Speaker 12: of China, but at the same time that there are

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01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 12: big power in the Asian Economic zone, in the global zone,

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Speaker 12: and therefore these countries do want to trade with them

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01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 12: and do need to trade with China. I can, but

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01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 12: it would also like to trade with the US as well,

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01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 12: which is more of a natural political ally for those countries.

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01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 12: So they're trying to tread a careful line between appeasing

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01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 12: both and not upsetting either. And perhaps the master of

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01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 12: doing that, of being able to trade with everyone is India.

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01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 12: Uendo Modi has built up a you know, the sort

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01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 12: of the handbook of how to do this and how

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Speaker 12: to sort of get trade deals done with almost everyone.

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Speaker 3: That it's a fair point. Listen, I see she has

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 3: been stepping up this call for industrial self sufficiency. Is

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01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 3: this falling on diff he is or is it actually

1888
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 3: working well?

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01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 12: It's working to a certain extent. There are things that

1890
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 12: China can do to protect itself from these tariffs and

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 12: also not just tarists, but from the blacklists that America

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01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 12: has put in Chinese companies. On companies like Welway. For example,

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01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 12: they're not allowed to sport their chips to the US.

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01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 12: Navidia is not allowed to sell its chips into China.

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01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 12: So there are certain things that China is good at.

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01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 12: So it needs to catch up. On semiconductors, it's nowhere

1897
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 12: near as advanced as the US, but it is catching up.

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01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 12: It's taken the lead in certain areas. The electric vehicles

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01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 12: stands out really. They are the world leader now in

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01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 12: electric cars and they have stolen a big march. We

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01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 12: just saw in the data yesterday that BYD now sells

1902
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 12: more cars electric vehicles into Europe than Tesla does, so

1903
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 12: they are really doing very well. Green energy is another

1904
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 12: area where China is doing good at. But there are

1905
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 12: still plenty of areas where it needs to sort of

1906
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 12: catch up, and it needs to modernize and it needs

1907
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 12: to become self sufficient. But it's certainly making the right

1908
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 12: steps and doing the right things to try.

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01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 4: And get there.

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01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 3: Festiner thing, Steff, Peter, thanks very much, look after yourself.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you week. That's Peter Lewis, our Asia

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01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 3: Business correspondent, nineteen away from seven the Dust. By the way,

1913
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 3: there are more allegations against jevn mcskimming, the former Deputy

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01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: Commissioner of the Police who resigned. These ones are that

1915
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 3: he acted inappropriately in relation to the vetting process for

1916
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 3: firearms licenses. The police have confirmed yep, they've had those allegations.

1917
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 3: They've been looking into them, been aware of them since March.

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Speaker 3: Linda Clark, Jeff mcskimmings lawyers, says he strongly denies any

1919
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 3: allegation he acted in any way inappropriately. So there you go,

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01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 3: So get a load of this, Okay, this is a

1921
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 3: great example I think of what good policing and good

1922
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 3: community can do. So there's a street in Parmeston North

1923
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 3: called Ada Street. It's probably famous in Palmerston North for

1924
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 3: being a bit wild, this says, but nuts by the way.

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01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: It held the record a couple of years ago of

1926
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 3: being the most fire prone street in New Zealand. Most

1927
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: of the fires that happened in Parmeston North that year

1928
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 3: happened on Adas Street. There were forty two fires and

1929
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: one year forty two. Like, think about how many fires

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01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 3: you had on your street last year or twenty twenty three,

1931
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: they had forty two. You know, ninety five percent of

1932
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 3: them were deliberately lit. It's not The only problem that

1933
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 3: they had on Adas Street they had some fly tipping

1934
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: going on. The humans that lived there just sucked because

1935
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: when the firefighters came to put out the fires, they

1936
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 3: just throw bottles at the firefighters. So they were winners,

1937
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 3: weren't they cops were being called heaps. In one year,

1938
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 3: the cops were called two hundred and nineteen times on

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01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 3: Ada Street. Anyway, in April last year, the authorities thought, geez,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to do something about this. So they

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Speaker 3: got council together, and they got the police together, and

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Speaker 3: fens and the Safety Advisory Board and corrections and horizons Horizons,

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Speaker 3: the regional council got all the staff together put on

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Speaker 3: a barbecue for the reason. I know you're thinking, what's this,

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Speaker 3: We'll wait for it. Okay, it worked. They put on

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Speaker 3: a barbecue and I think the thing cost them about

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Speaker 3: one thousand dollars or thereabouts. They talked to the residents

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Speaker 3: about their visions for what the street could be like,

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Speaker 3: and then they contacted landlords and the property owners, and

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Speaker 3: they put up signs reminding people that they were in

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Speaker 3: an alcohol bank. I feel like they've got to change

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Speaker 3: attendants as well. Kicked out some people who were just

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Speaker 3: obviously up to no good and got some families and

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Speaker 3: instead advertised the fines for illegal dumping, advertised put up

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Speaker 3: traffic cameras, trim the street trees so that, you know,

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Speaker 3: you could see a little bit better, improve the invisibility

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And then the police and the

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Speaker 3: fire staff and the council stuff made a point of

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Speaker 3: walking and driving up and down the street to remain visible,

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Speaker 3: you know, just a bit of presence and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: A year on from that, that was April last year.

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Speaker 3: A year on from that, where are we at now?

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Speaker 3: Only two street fires? A only two? Well done, hater,

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Speaker 3: that's down from forty two. That's not bad. Police call

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Speaker 3: outs are down sixty three percent. They have saved themselves

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Speaker 3: for that one thousand dollar barbecue and all the associated

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Speaker 3: costs of trimming the trees and blah blah blah. They

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Speaker 3: have them saved themselves at least sixty thousand dollars worth

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Speaker 3: of intentional damage. That's that is good, isn't it. That's

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Speaker 3: an investment in a problem area where they've gone. You know,

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Speaker 3: what what we need to do is get a bit

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Speaker 3: of community going on here, a bit of a police presence,

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Speaker 3: and it's totally changed the way. Well, I mean there's

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Speaker 3: still two fires. Somebody's still up to know good, but

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Speaker 3: it's hell a lot better than it was sixteen away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplic, Ellen and mayors, insurance and investments, grow

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Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 9: These talks d be.

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Speaker 3: Heather. Ada Street is the student street, it's the kin

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Speaker 3: to castle. The fires couches. Well, it can't be houses

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Speaker 3: because if it was forty two house fires, hopeless to

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Speaker 3: be burned down by now thirteen away from seven. Gavin Grays,

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Speaker 3: our UK correspondent with US right now, Hey, Gavin, II there, Okay,

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Speaker 3: So it's really all on like in a verbal fights

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Speaker 3: between the Israeli government and the UK government, isn't it.

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Speaker 28: It has become pretty much like that Hather at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 28: First of all, Israel's foreign minister accused European countries of incitement.

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Speaker 28: This after the killing of two staff members from the

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Speaker 28: Israeli embassy in Washington, d C. Now why was he

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Speaker 28: saying incitement? Well because shortly before, about twenty four hours

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Speaker 28: before the pair were killed, the UK had put out

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Speaker 28: a joint statement with France and Canada criticizing Israel's approaching

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Speaker 28: guards and of course what many are saying is going

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Speaker 28: to be a catastrophic famine there, that Israel's tactics are

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Speaker 28: completely wrong. Well, then the Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminetnia who

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Speaker 28: said the British Prime Minister Sakirstanri's on the wrong side

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Speaker 28: of humanity. He said in a video in English that

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Speaker 28: when mass murderers, rapists, baby killers and kidnappers, thank you,

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Speaker 28: you're on the wrong side of justice, You're on the

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Speaker 28: wrong side of history. Now, the UK hasn't directly really

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01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 28: responded to that accusation, but in France they've absolutely spat

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Speaker 28: back saying this.

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Speaker 9: Is just not true.

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Speaker 28: It is not the reason these two were killed instead

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Speaker 28: of how dare you?

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Speaker 9: But there's no doubt.

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Speaker 28: Relations pretty low this after the trade discussions were suddenly

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Speaker 28: halted and also the ambassadors were called in in order

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Speaker 28: to discuss what is going on in Gaza. So this

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Speaker 28: Prime minister certainly having a big round, a big spat

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Speaker 28: here with Bena Mignette Lyoho, Kevin, how's.

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Speaker 3: This news gone down of chemical castration?

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Speaker 28: Yeah, very interesting this and it has been a debate

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Speaker 28: for a while, and there's been a pilot project here

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Speaker 28: in the UK.

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Speaker 9: So, first of all, some figures for you.

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Speaker 28: In different tests, one group of sex offenders who'd been

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Speaker 28: chemically castrated with comparing it with another group who had not,

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Speaker 28: found that reoffending rates were sixty percent lower among the

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Speaker 28: group have been chemically castrated. So in pilot projects this

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Speaker 28: is found to have been pretty good, not conclusively, but

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Speaker 28: pretty good at working. In Germany and Denmark, the use

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Speaker 28: of chemical suppression has been administered on a voluntary basis.

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Speaker 28: In other words, prisoners have been offered this if they

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01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 28: are there for a sex crime. In Poland, though it's

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Speaker 28: mandatory for some sex offenders now the UK currently has

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Speaker 28: a trial going on in Southwest England and they are

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Speaker 28: now expanding that trial to cover some twenty prisons in England.

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Speaker 28: What happens is a prisoner from a particular group set

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Speaker 28: of serious offenses, serious sexual offenses, sometimes repeat offending, is

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Speaker 28: offered this particular option. It is chemical castration, delivered through

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Speaker 28: two drugs. A selective serotonin A reuptake inhibitor is one

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Speaker 28: of them that is thought to limit sexual thoughts. Anti

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Speaker 28: Androgens are also administered, they reduce the production of testosterone

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Speaker 28: and limit libido and so far, Yeah, these figures are

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Speaker 28: pretty good. But you know, it is mandatory in a

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Speaker 28: couple of places, and indeed in California if it's a

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Speaker 28: second time sex offender. But I think it's going to

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Speaker 28: be very difficult here in the UK to make it mandatory.

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Speaker 28: And already many doctors groups saying we would not compulsorily

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Speaker 28: give somebody these drugs if that you know, they didn't

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Speaker 28: want them.

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Speaker 9: Why not.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, well they're saying it's down to sort of morals

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Speaker 28: on the code of a doctor, etc. Others are saying, well,

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Speaker 28: hang on a minute. You know, these people are going

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Speaker 28: out and doing the most horrific crimes, some of them,

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Speaker 28: so surely this is a sensible way of doing it.

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Speaker 4: It's painless, so it.

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Speaker 28: Would seem to be good, particularly incidentally, of course, when

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Speaker 28: prisons in this country are so full they're having to

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Speaker 28: release people early.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Gavin, thanks very much, really appreciate that, and have

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Speaker 3: yourself a lovely weekend. That's Kevin Gray, our UK corresponding, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what this will be that it will be

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01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 3: a question of where you sit on which right you

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01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 3: are prepared to infringe upon right because it's your right.

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Speaker 3: It's anyone's right to refuse medical treatment. But it is

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01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,800
Speaker 3: also so for the offender. It's their right to say no,

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01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to take that medicine. You can't force

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Speaker 3: me to. And it's whether you think that is important enough,

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01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 3: or whether you think it is more important that the

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01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 3: person that they have sexually offended against has the right

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01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 3: to not be sexually offended against. Because and I would

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01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 3: come down on the side I think if I was

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01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 3: ever asked by a jury to decide something like this,

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01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 3: if I was on the jury, I'd say no, give

2071
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 3: them the medicine, give them the chemical castration, because already,

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01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 3: if you sexually offend against somebody, I'm infringing on your

2073
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 3: liberties anyway, I'm chucking you in prison. That it's your

2074
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 3: right to be free to move right until I say right,

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01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 3: you've done a bad thing off, you go to jail,

2076
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 3: So I'm going to do the same thing. You've done

2077
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 3: a bad thing off. You go to eat pills, Go

2078
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: get them, eat them, yung yng yam enjoy. Then you

2079
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 3: can stop doing that nonsense from the budget yesterday. Guess

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01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 3: how By the way, I think if this went to

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01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 3: the public in the UK, I suspect the public would

2082
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 3: strongly support it, which is why Labor is flying that flag.

2083
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 3: See how that goes? Flying that little kite from the

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01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 3: budget yesterday. Guess how much it's costing us to fix

2085
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: that duval situation with the statutory managers? Two point three

2086
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: million dollars already and this budget has put in another

2087
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 3: half a million dollars. So what's that going to be?

2088
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 3: Two point eighty five just to sort out the messes

2089
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 3: to these This pair rather have allegedly created eight away

2090
01:36:59,240 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tiplice Allan Drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by news dog ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Hither if the patient is sectioned under the Mental Health Act,

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01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 3: they lose the right to reject medication. That's from Graham. Okay,

2095
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 3: here's another one. Okay, this is sleep tips from the

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01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 3: Sydney Morning Herald. The most common cause of insomnia is

2097
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 3: basically things you haven't worked through the day, So the

2098
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 3: things that cause you anxiety and stress throughout the day,

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01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 3: and you basically have to try and figure out a

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01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 3: way if you're getting insomnia, to keep your mind off itself.

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01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,560
Speaker 3: So the first thing you should do is meditation, and

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Speaker 3: the next thing you should do is what's called a

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01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 3: body scan, which is that you relax as you focus

2104
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 3: on each part of your body from head to toe.

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01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 3: I find the body scams just unbelievably boring, don't you,

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01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 3: Because I think that I've dealt with that part of

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01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: the body, but then I haven't. I had. The body

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01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 3: scan never works for me anyway. But you try it,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't like the sound of that, then

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01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 3: you try box breathing, which is you inhale for five seconds.

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Speaker 3: Oh obviously that was one second. You inhale for five seconds,

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01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 3: and then you hold it for five seconds, and then

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01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 3: you exhale for eight cents. And then if you don't

2114
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 3: like that, the other thing you could do is take

2115
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 3: your This is what I do. Take yourself on a

2116
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,759
Speaker 3: mental walk down the street in four K hype vivid detail.

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01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Do not count sheep, Heather says a text apropos the

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Speaker 3: first one, ain't I gave you? The first tip I

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01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 3: gave you on sleeping. I found a great tip for sleeping.

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Speaker 3: My mind goes over and over during the day, but

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Speaker 3: this has worked. You shut your eyes obviously, Thank you.

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01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 3: You shunt your eyes obviously, and then in your mind

2123
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 3: you say one word like love, and then in your

2124
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 3: thoughts you think of at least two words for l

2125
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 3: and then two words for and this is is this

2126
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:34,759
Speaker 3: not exactly?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah you You have definitely sprewed this one before.

2129
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Speaker 3: I did this one about three or four weeks ago,

2130
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Speaker 3: and it does work. I feel like I've said it

2131
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 3: out and now you've texted back to me like you'd

2132
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 3: like you've taken it as your own. But anyway, whatever,

2133
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 3: at least it's working.

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Speaker 10: So it goes to Show and Bloodline by Alex Warren

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Speaker 10: and Jelly Roll to class out tonight. This is brand spanking.

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Speaker 10: You only came out a few hours ago. At this point,

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Speaker 10: Usually I'd say yeah, yeah, News Talks, it'd be will

2138
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 10: always be your home for the newest country music. But unfortunately,

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01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 10: I've checked with the Boss and apparently the song has

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01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 10: actually been playing on iHeart Country and Z ever since

2141
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 10: it came out. So if you want to listen to

2142
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 10: country music, you should probably go there first. But we're second.

2143
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 10: I reckon you talking to the new country music. I'll

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01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 10: play it on a Friday.

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Speaker 3: You just did this so that you could claim credit

2146
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Speaker 3: for promoting another show.

2147
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Speaker 10: Well yeah, and then getting your pay right, well exactly,

2148
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 10: And I called the boss to double check the song

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Speaker 10: was in there, so he definitely knows that I'm going

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Speaker 10: to do it as well. So yeah, I thought I

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Speaker 10: was pretty clever there.

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Speaker 16: What a grazier.

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Speaker 3: Very good from you, and hey, enjoy your weekend, enjoy

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Speaker 20: Mm hmmm.

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