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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: So good day. In less than a week's time Kiwi Museo,

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Speaker 2: Nadia Reid is going to release her fourth album. The

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Speaker 2: album is called inter Now Brightness. It's her first album

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Speaker 2: in five years, and from what we've heard so far,

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Speaker 2: it is a record of poise and beauty and a

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Speaker 2: little bit of fun as well. Nadia Reid is with

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Speaker 2: us this morning, Kilda. Good morning, Ah.

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Speaker 3: Kilda, it is good morning.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the night, the beginning of the night.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is it. I feel like that we should

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Speaker 2: confront the elephant in the room immediately, which is that

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Speaker 2: into our brightness. Mark's has shifted on lots of different fronts,

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Speaker 2: but I suppose it also, Mark's a literal shift for you.

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Speaker 2: You're speaking to us from Manchester, of all places, and

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Speaker 2: this is your new home.

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Speaker 4: It is been here fourteen months, Yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 4: starting to feel at home now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's taken me a while.

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Speaker 4: I think anyone that's been to Manchester, well, anyone that's

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Speaker 4: been the UK knows that arriving in the depths of

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Speaker 4: winter is a tough one. But it's grown on me,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, it's feeling good.

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Speaker 2: It's a shock, isn't it. When you see the sun setting,

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Speaker 2: like call it a four in the afternoon, you think,

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Speaker 2: hang on, hang on, I'm being robbed here totally.

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Speaker 4: And just you know, we're just like taking vitamin D

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Speaker 4: every day because you actually don't see I mean, there

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Speaker 4: was a little bit of sun today. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: hanging out for a Kiwi summer for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So why Manchester, Why Manchester of all places?

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Speaker 4: Well, my management lived here, I and my press agent

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Speaker 4: lived here, lives here, and so I visited over there

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Speaker 4: last well since twenty sixteen. I visited Manchester a lot,

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Speaker 4: and well I toured the UK a lot. And I

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Speaker 4: think initially I was I really was quite smating with

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Speaker 3: Perhaps were just a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just didn't feel like the right time to

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Speaker 4: be in London, and so we went up north and

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Speaker 4: knew three people and just kind of took a bit

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Speaker 4: of a risk, clearly. And it's I mean, also, I

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Speaker 4: think there is a bit of an exodus happening at

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Speaker 4: of all over the place because they want more room.

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Speaker 4: And you know, even my friends in London who have

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Speaker 4: very fancy jobs, you know, they're still in very small

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Speaker 4: flats and I just wanted a bit more.

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Speaker 3: Space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you.

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Speaker 5: It's not like Manchester doesn't have a rich musical history

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Speaker 5: as well, so you know exactly, yeah, yeah, oh very good. Well,

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Speaker 5: one adventure for you and your family. But like I say,

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Speaker 5: Into Our Brightness kind of marks a bit of a

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Speaker 5: shift on multiple fronts, including stylistically. And so you've got

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Speaker 5: a collection of.

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Speaker 2: Tracks that have written all over the place, I think,

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Speaker 2: Reef of all places. So what were you trying to

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Speaker 2: achieve with inter and out Runness.

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Speaker 4: I think this album was that the approach was different

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Speaker 4: because when my third album, Out of My Province came

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Speaker 4: out March twenty twenty, that the whole natural order of

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Speaker 4: things was kind of interrupted. You know, we were all

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Speaker 4: going through this universal experience of the pandemic, and of

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Speaker 4: course the border has closed and so suddenly my year

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Speaker 4: get to kind of stretch that album's legs and you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't have terribly much to say. You know, we

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Speaker 4: I did have. I had, I wrote, We recorded twelve songs,

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Speaker 4: ten of which made it onto the album. So somehow

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Speaker 4: I wrote all these songs, and I suppose in terms

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes when you said out, I mean, I've

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Speaker 4: made four albums now, and every every time I've made

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Speaker 4: don't know, sort of urgency. Perhaps that you know, I

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Speaker 4: it didn't. You know, it wasn't done until I flew

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Speaker 4: out to the UK. That was the marking point of

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Jack Tame on new Stalk ZB. I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking with Kiwe Museo, Nadia Read and Nadia you mentioned

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Speaker 2: your kids. So in the years since your last album,

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Speaker 2: you have had two. How do you feel that has

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Speaker 2: kind of changed your perspectives or changed your creative output.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's a huge, it's a huge thing.

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Speaker 4: And you know I've been I could say so much,

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Speaker 4: but it's been so much better than I expected. And

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Speaker 4: I think there was this fear around, you know, do

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Speaker 4: I have to choose? And I remember before I when

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Speaker 4: I first met my now husband, I remember saying to

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Speaker 4: him like, if I have to choose, you know I

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Speaker 4: want I don't want to give up music, like I

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Speaker 4: want this career. You know, it's so it feels so

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Speaker 4: fulfilling to me. It gives me such great purpose. So

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Speaker 4: if if someone's making me choose, I choose this and

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Speaker 4: then slowly like sort of you know, softened into things

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Speaker 4: and then I've had had the two girls, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I've got an abundance of women musicians that inspire me.

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Speaker 4: You know, Tammy Nielsen, I've had like amazing talks with

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Speaker 4: her about how how she manages motherhood and touring and

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean, we don't want to talk politics,

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Speaker 4: but Jacinda I done was an amazing you know at

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Speaker 4: job and being a mom, you know, it was meaningful

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Speaker 4: to me politics aside. And so I suppose, you know,

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Speaker 4: I feel proud at the moment because I do have both.

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Speaker 4: I'm making it work and I have a really good

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Speaker 4: a quote recently by another artist who said, you know

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Speaker 4: that the pram in the hallway isn't the enemy of art,

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Speaker 4: and so I guess that's kind of just my I'm

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Speaker 4: feeling invigorated by, Yeah, by living in this time where

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The reason I sorry to talking you that I think

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Speaker 2: on the first track on the album is it, Emmanuel.

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Speaker 2: I think you had an experience a because you were

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Speaker 2: leaving Port Charmers and you know, kind of packing up

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Speaker 2: home and you had a young baby, and there was

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Speaker 2: a sense in writing that song that yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: of purpose that that people talk about coming with parenting,

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Speaker 2: and you sort of you know, and you're left contemplating

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Speaker 2: some of the big questions in life.

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Speaker 3: Totally.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's you know, the first line is yeah,

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Speaker 4: like can this circle never break? There's there's far too

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Speaker 4: much at stake now, And I think I had that

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Speaker 4: sense of, you know that there's someone else that really matters,

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Speaker 4: a Carlion quote that where he says, you know, the

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Speaker 4: greatest burden a child must can carry is the unlived

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Speaker 4: in mind when I'm when I'm out doing this crazy

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Speaker 4: sort of bizarre mysterious work that you know, the more

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Speaker 3: I can be and so yeah, so it's I guess

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, when I was pregnant the first time,

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Speaker 4: I was like I said to my husband, like, if

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Speaker 4: But you know, you just sort of you're all jacked

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Speaker 4: like my friend Holly Forolbrook said like, we're actually like

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Speaker 2: Time zones and just kind of no routine and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you're back home just before Christmas. I think you're

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Speaker 2: touring in the UK shortly, and what's the plane are

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Speaker 2: you gonna bring, like come back here but later in

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, we're looking at November, so I really want

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Speaker 4: summer because in December and January it's just a small here.

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Speaker 4: But also, yeah, it's just timing, and but I can't

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Speaker 4: you know, I have this sort of job that's going

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Speaker 4: to bring me back every so often, and my band

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Speaker 4: is still living there, so it's I definitely have a

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Speaker 4: lot of sort of heart strings still pulling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well across the oceans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I'm pleased to hear that. Hey, congratulations on

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Speaker 2: Into Our Brightness, and yeah, good luck for the for

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Speaker 2: the nick few weeks and for touring in the UK.

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Speaker 2: And we do very much look forward to having you

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Speaker 2: back on home soil.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Really good to chat Nadia. Nadia read Her new album

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Speaker 2: Into Now Brightness is out on Friday on all of

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Speaker 2: the usual streaming platforms or You can pick up a

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Speaker 2: vinyl copy at Nadia Reid dot com.

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