1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: The Grand All Day in Auckland is one of the 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: cities more disliked operations. Auckland Transport got a fair bit 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: of power taken off them and it will be transferred 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: back to the council. We need some laws passed to 5 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: make it all happen and that is the job of 6 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the Transport Minister, Simming and Brown who is with us morning? 7 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Good morning mite? 8 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Do they and I watched the I watched the press 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: conference live yesterday, so I know your answer. But helped 10 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: me out a little bit here when you went to 11 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: them at and said this is happening one it can't 12 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: have been a surprise, but did they did they arc 13 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: up a bit? 14 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: Now? I think the reality is this is this is 15 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: a conversation which has been going on to some time 16 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: and they spoke to the CE He was very tend 17 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: to work with us. How we implement this and make 18 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: sure it works well. Our job now is to get 19 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: the legislation drafted in the House through Parliament and then 20 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: implement it for Auckland, to make sure that Auckland does 21 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: have more will have democratic accountability over decisions made in 22 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: the city which affect their daily lives. 23 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: That was the part that I was disappointed and why 24 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: is this so slow? You're going to draw the legislation up, 25 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: put it and send it off to select committees taking forever. 26 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's the part of mitary process, so it does 27 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: take time. But today's about sending Verukeley message around the 28 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: decisions that have been made. We've got a busy legislative 29 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: agenda as a government, so we're going through Parliament next 30 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: year and then it'll be up to the new council 31 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: elected in the next year to implement it. 32 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: What was the was the weak point that at was 33 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: so useless? Would you have still done it no matter 34 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: how good AT were or not. 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: I think a key thing here is every other region 36 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: across New Zealand, decisions around who approves the regional land 37 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: transport plan, the road controlling authority, those decisions sit with 38 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: elected members. In Auckland, it does not, So this is 39 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: actually a principal decision to restore democracy to those decisions 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: and allow Aucklanders if they don't like the fact that 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: their local board or their counselors are removing some car 42 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: parks to put in a cycle way, they can vote 43 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: them out. At the moment they don't have that ability 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: and the Verukeley messages as Aucklanders aren't happy with the 45 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: decisions that have made. They all know who's responsible and 46 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: we've got to hold them to account for those decisions. 47 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: So the disappoints. So I agree with that concept. But 48 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: the disappointing part is what about all the dumpty doos 49 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: on the local board who rightly or wrongly you elect 50 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: idiots in general. And so you've got people who are 51 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: now with tremendous power in their hands, and they may 52 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: or may not be up to it. 53 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: Well, the problem is these people haven't had power that's 54 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: been there to be sort of an advocacy kind of body, 55 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: which is go around advocating for things they like. Now 56 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: they're going to have power, and now the local people 57 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: who vote for them will know who to blame for 58 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: decisions in their local community and directly hold them to account. 59 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: And I encourage people to put their names forward and 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: I encourage people to make sure they hold these people 61 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: to account. At the moment, they don't have that ability 62 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: in that power in Auckland. We're restoring it and putting 63 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: it in local people's hands. 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Understand that, But how variable will it be and how 65 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: much individual and specific power do they have because a 66 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: local board out west is not a local board down 67 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: south or out east or up north and Lolton it's 68 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: a big city direct. 69 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. So one of the key things will be there'll 70 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: be some some parts of the road controlling authority which 71 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: will have a regional Impactso for example Keith Roots. Obviously 72 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: those decisions need be made at a regional level, so 73 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: that will be done by the anybody what happens on 74 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: a local street with some local shops and the car 75 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: parks outside it, Ultimately that's a local decision that should 76 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: be pushed down to the local board. So that's actually 77 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: the principle already set in the Local Government Act for Auckland. 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: It just hasn't been implemented and this is going to 79 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: formalize that into legislation. 80 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: All right, good to talk to you appreciate it. 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