1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: There's a claim the government kept it a bit on 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: the old d LO. But the Crown boards are in 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: for some very large fee increases, some of them up 4 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: to eighty percent. So chairs of some of the big 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: boards are going to be earning eventually about one hundred 6 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: and sixty thousand dollars a year. Judith Collins, public Services Minister, 7 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: is of course with us, Judith morning to you. 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: I've good morning now. 9 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: There is logic in us watching the Prime Minister of 10 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: post Cab yesterday, there is logic it got weight. How 11 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: did it all get out so out of line that 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: we need this sort of readjustment. 13 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Well, there wasn't any increase. It's about the last decade, 14 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: apart from a ten percent increase the previous government to 15 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: in twenty two twenty tweeny two. And I think the 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: problem is that governments basically lost the bottle to actually 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: say we can't have our chair people of these organizations 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: that many cases are responsible for hundreds of millions or 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: thousands of millions of dollars of assets being the poorest 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: people paid people in the room. Because that's basically what's 21 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: been happening. And if we want to get good people 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: to come and help us to reform the public service 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,279 Speaker 2: and to if you get these crown duties really going 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: and coming as they should have been, we are going 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: to have to pay for that. And so this is 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: not a right across the board increase. It's saying these 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: are the free ranges, so that we can, for instance, 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: you know, from of these criny entities the moment the 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: chairperson of that board, we paid forty thousand dollars. If 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: you're a busy lawyer or a busy accountant, or you're 31 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: a busy business person, you're sitting there thinking, why the 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: hell would I do that? Take all the political risks, 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: take all their hits for forty thousand dollars. And by 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: the way, I'm not doing my own business in that time. 35 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: And if you're in Wellington and you're otherwise, you live 36 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: in Auckland, your workers in Wellington, that's a whole day, 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: two days, three days maybe taken up on it, and 38 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: why would you do it? So in those cases direct 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: their profit sector equivalents about seventy thousand for those sorts 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: of same jobs. And you know, we just we can't 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: keep putting people into job obviously they're not qualified for. 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: But also we can't just run this like some sort 43 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: of tim pop outfit, which is what I'm sorry to 44 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: say some of the previous government did. 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I don't want to 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: be too unfair, but if you look at the health 47 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, I mean there were some unusual people 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: on there that needed to be moved on. 49 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: Look, if you choose people on a merit, you're going 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: to get the right people for the job. And that 51 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: doesn't mean to say you go through a little box 52 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: and say can I tick off this number of ethnicities, 53 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: this number of genders, this number of whatever. You just 54 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: get the right people for the job. And those right 55 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: people the people who really know how to do this job. 56 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: And I've done this job in the past before I 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: came into politics. It's hard. They're not going to do 58 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: it if they've frankly insulted and they're told good time, 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: stop worth anything. 60 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: They couldn't agree more. Put your ag hat on just 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: really quickly your opinion on the voting changes. How hardline 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: are you on that has the government your ag view 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: made a serious error or we can debate this well. 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: I've taken a position of not longly discussing these section 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: seven reports. But I can say this I am as 66 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: the Attorney General. I'm deptually bound by the rulings that 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: have already happened and the law as it has developed. 68 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: And given that the previous voting restriction on prisoners received 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: a Section seven report by the former Attorney General for Nason, 70 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: and there's been court cases since the impruding Supreme Court, 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: I am surbound by the law as it is, not 72 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: as the law might be in the future. So I 73 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: just give my advice for government based on it all 74 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: as it is. 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Got it well said, Appreciate it. Judith Collins, the Attorney 76 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: General and Public Service Minister. By the way, in New 77 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: Zealand chairs on two seventy Fletcher Building, cheers on three 78 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: point forty Health New Zealand one twenty five, so you 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: can still even they're still again. For more from the 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to News Talks at B 81 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.