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Speaker 1: Talk about it, come back good Charlotte and gave it

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Speaker 1: I'll give you those details in a moment, but in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, Benji and Joel Madden are with us. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning you, sir Joel. Let me see if I

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Speaker 1: got this right. Basically, so you're at a family wedding,

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Speaker 1: Everyone goes, oh my god, they're fantastic. You stand there,

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Speaker 1: or somebody stands and go, actually, we're not bad. How

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Speaker 1: about an album? Could we make an album mixing? You

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Speaker 1: basically how it's gone off?

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Speaker 2: I got that right, Yeah, it's some version of that.

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Speaker 3: You almost got it. We did kind of have a

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Speaker 3: It's special, and we had a great time and we

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Speaker 2: You know, so it did it? Did it did pan out?

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Binji? I mean that was always going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, the great thing was with this

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Speaker 3: And you know, and actually it was there was a

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Speaker 4: So I think that vibe. I even think when you

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Speaker 1: Right, Benji mean talk about the genesis of all this.

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Speaker 1: I want a great answer. It was a good aunt.

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Speaker 1: So listen to you guys. We look forward to seeing

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