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Speaker 2: Hello there, seven past midday, Good afternoon, and welcome in

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Speaker 2: to the Sunday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talk

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Speaker 2: sad BE for December fifteen, ten days to Christmas. And

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Speaker 2: just as we go to where Mitchell Satin has been bold,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has been dismissed in their first innings of

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Speaker 2: the Third Test in Hamilton, all out for three forty seven.

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't think that would still be anywhere close

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Speaker 2: When you're nine down, you think, well, Oky, that that

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Speaker 2: We've been playing since eleven o but only now has

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Speaker 2: England got the tenth and final New Zealand wicket. Mitchell

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Speaker 2: first Test match of this series, bowled by Potts for

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Speaker 2: seventy six. Willow Rourke with a very handy sticking around

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Speaker 2: five not out of thirty balls, three four seven, three

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Speaker 2: about three four seven having been having been sent in?

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Speaker 2: got more? Anyway? Leading cricket writer Dylan Cleaver standing by

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Speaker 2: Time iron Man seventy point three in Toepaul this weekend

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Speaker 2: The Test in Hamilton obviously also the Third Test between

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Speaker 2: As mentioned a short time ago, Mitchell Santna out for

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Speaker 2: I'll just ask you that sent in, would you be

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Speaker 2: It just occurred to me when I was at the

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Speaker 2: would be interested in it. I just you look around domestically,

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Speaker 2: there's no obvious heir apparent. As you say, maybe it's

429
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Speaker 2: an overseas coach, maybe it's a Steve Rickson type person.

430
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Speaker 6: And I mean I was a great fan of coach Diriction,

431
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Speaker 6: to be fair, the thing being the coach role. Now,

432
00:24:02,587 --> 00:24:05,667
Speaker 6: the one thing Stead ahead in his favor of all

433
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Speaker 6: the coaches we've had in the last thirty years was

434
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Speaker 6: that stead could travel. He wasn't needed at home that

435
00:24:11,827 --> 00:24:14,307
Speaker 6: wasn't a young family with young children, and he couldn't

436
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Speaker 6: be away. He actually could go away. And so one

437
00:24:17,947 --> 00:24:20,747
Speaker 6: of the criteria of any coach that's going to take

438
00:24:20,787 --> 00:24:23,747
Speaker 6: this job is that you do not have any impediments

439
00:24:23,827 --> 00:24:25,787
Speaker 6: like you've got to be at home for the kids

440
00:24:25,827 --> 00:24:29,067
Speaker 6: for sports on a Saturday or whatever. Your kids have

441
00:24:29,147 --> 00:24:31,507
Speaker 6: gone up, grown up, whatever. Your wife is happy for

442
00:24:31,547 --> 00:24:33,027
Speaker 6: you to go around the world and she can spend

443
00:24:33,027 --> 00:24:35,587
Speaker 6: on your credit card and who cares. But the find

444
00:24:35,587 --> 00:24:37,747
Speaker 6: of it is, how do you find somebody like that?

445
00:24:37,827 --> 00:24:40,187
Speaker 6: What do you do the advertise that's saying, please make

446
00:24:40,227 --> 00:24:43,107
Speaker 6: sure that you are available twenty four to seven, et cetera,

447
00:24:43,147 --> 00:24:46,467
Speaker 6: et cetera. We've been fortuedous were stead that way. But

448
00:24:46,547 --> 00:24:48,907
Speaker 6: I'm just not sure who it is that you could

449
00:24:48,907 --> 00:24:52,227
Speaker 6: find that seriously would give up half a year of

450
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Speaker 6: touring with the national team.

451
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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Brendan McCullum does, David. And look, he's

452
00:24:57,667 --> 00:24:59,947
Speaker 2: a guy who I imagine if we had Brendan McCullum

453
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Speaker 2: as a coach, be amazing. But I know that for

454
00:25:01,987 --> 00:25:05,707
Speaker 2: a fact he in his contract with England flies in

455
00:25:05,907 --> 00:25:08,067
Speaker 2: a week before every series and it's going to be

456
00:25:08,107 --> 00:25:09,667
Speaker 2: a lot busier for him in the new year because

457
00:25:09,667 --> 00:25:11,907
Speaker 2: he's taking over his white ball coach as well. But

458
00:25:11,947 --> 00:25:15,067
Speaker 2: for his time as Test coach, he basically flies in

459
00:25:15,507 --> 00:25:17,947
Speaker 2: for the week before the series wherever it may be

460
00:25:18,067 --> 00:25:21,067
Speaker 2: in England or elsewhere, and then stays with him for

461
00:25:21,107 --> 00:25:22,987
Speaker 2: the series, then flies back out again and his family

462
00:25:23,027 --> 00:25:27,027
Speaker 2: travel with him, so he basically uplifts his life, drops

463
00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:31,147
Speaker 2: it down. We're of England, are playing cricket and happy days,

464
00:25:31,427 --> 00:25:33,187
Speaker 2: so I don't know where the New Zealand cricket. I'm

465
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Speaker 2: going to be at home to the same sort of

466
00:25:34,387 --> 00:25:38,387
Speaker 2: thing as a fly in, flyout coach. But as I've

467
00:25:38,427 --> 00:25:42,547
Speaker 2: often said David, in the search for innovative solutions, nothing

468
00:25:42,547 --> 00:25:43,507
Speaker 2: should be off the table.

469
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you something, Jason, and that is what things actually.

470
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Speaker 6: If England in twenty five and they've got eleven Test

471
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Speaker 6: matches next year, they've got one against some barb where laws,

472
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Speaker 6: they've got five against India, but they've got the Big

473
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Speaker 6: five in Australia. If Australia, England would have win the

474
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Speaker 6: ashes convincingly next year, it'll be su Brenda McCullum.

475
00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:07,667
Speaker 8: That's a certainty.

476
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Speaker 6: But the other thing is just on the coach thing.

477
00:26:11,307 --> 00:26:13,547
Speaker 6: He's one of the box. He's out of the box.

478
00:26:13,587 --> 00:26:17,267
Speaker 6: They thought out of that, we won't have that. And

479
00:26:18,307 --> 00:26:21,067
Speaker 6: actually just talking about that new CEO of New Zealand Cricket,

480
00:26:21,107 --> 00:26:26,907
Speaker 6: Scott how whatever his last name is, congratulations to him

481
00:26:26,947 --> 00:26:29,267
Speaker 6: for getting a third Test against the West Indies. His

482
00:26:29,387 --> 00:26:30,707
Speaker 6: predecessor David.

483
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Speaker 8: White, No, no, we couldn't do that.

484
00:26:32,147 --> 00:26:35,067
Speaker 6: We can't spend any money, no, no whereas this guy

485
00:26:35,067 --> 00:26:37,947
Speaker 6: at least has got some imagination and foresight to capitalize

486
00:26:37,987 --> 00:26:40,387
Speaker 6: and test cricket. So that is one reason why it'll

487
00:26:40,387 --> 00:26:44,267
Speaker 6: never be a Sir David White, think chriss but the

488
00:26:44,347 --> 00:26:46,307
Speaker 6: fact that it is at least this guy has got that.

489
00:26:46,667 --> 00:26:48,907
Speaker 6: I'll just give you one name for a potential coach

490
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Speaker 6: if you were thinking about it, and that would be

491
00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:54,187
Speaker 6: potentially Ross Taylor. He'd be one of the only people

492
00:26:54,627 --> 00:26:56,867
Speaker 6: that I could think of, whether he'd want it and

493
00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:58,427
Speaker 6: whether or not in his own cricket didn't want them.

494
00:26:58,467 --> 00:27:02,427
Speaker 2: But well it's it's an idea, David, It's an idea.

495
00:27:02,947 --> 00:27:06,107
Speaker 2: Seven three eighty four was the attendance yesterday at the

496
00:27:06,147 --> 00:27:07,787
Speaker 2: thing next game, Just to put a cap on that,

497
00:27:08,067 --> 00:27:09,827
Speaker 2: seven three eight four good to chat to you mate,

498
00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:12,827
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in. Yeah, I don't think I've never

499
00:27:12,827 --> 00:27:15,547
Speaker 2: heard Ross Taylor express any interest at all in coaching.

500
00:27:16,187 --> 00:27:18,787
Speaker 2: He certainly hasn't done it domestically, not that that is

501
00:27:18,867 --> 00:27:23,587
Speaker 2: necessarily a prerequisite. Look at Brendan McCullum. I don't think

502
00:27:23,587 --> 00:27:26,947
Speaker 2: it ever coached at all Addie before in the IPL,

503
00:27:27,027 --> 00:27:30,027
Speaker 2: sorry the IPL, but he'd never coached Red Bull cricket, Addie.

504
00:27:30,187 --> 00:27:31,787
Speaker 2: But it was out of the box, as David said,

505
00:27:31,787 --> 00:27:36,147
Speaker 2: and out of the box thought from from the powers

506
00:27:36,187 --> 00:27:39,027
Speaker 2: that be an English cricket to say, you know what,

507
00:27:39,067 --> 00:27:40,987
Speaker 2: that guy's got a bit about him and he has

508
00:27:41,307 --> 00:27:43,187
Speaker 2: he has now he's going to take over the White

509
00:27:43,187 --> 00:27:44,627
Speaker 2: bull side? Are we just as good as that?

510
00:27:44,707 --> 00:27:45,147
Speaker 8: At that.

511
00:27:47,107 --> 00:27:49,027
Speaker 2: Twenty six away from one, I've got to get a breakaway, George,

512
00:27:49,067 --> 00:27:50,867
Speaker 2: please hold mate, want to chat to you. There is

513
00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:52,227
Speaker 2: a spear line if you want to jump aboard O

514
00:27:52,307 --> 00:27:54,707
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine to

515
00:27:54,747 --> 00:27:58,107
Speaker 2: two on text. It's more than just a game.

516
00:27:58,427 --> 00:28:02,547
Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnohomes, New

517
00:28:02,627 --> 00:28:06,707
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs, they'd be to one.

518
00:28:06,747 --> 00:28:09,787
Speaker 2: Why not? Stephen Fleming asks this text. That is a

519
00:28:09,907 --> 00:28:12,787
Speaker 2: very good shout, A very good shout. I think Stephen

520
00:28:12,827 --> 00:28:16,387
Speaker 2: Fleming as black Caps coach would be hugely popular. And

521
00:28:16,427 --> 00:28:18,147
Speaker 2: would he want to do it? That's the thing. Would

522
00:28:18,147 --> 00:28:20,267
Speaker 2: he want to do it? Thanks for holding George? How

523
00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:20,987
Speaker 2: are you mate?

524
00:28:21,627 --> 00:28:22,227
Speaker 5: Some good things?

525
00:28:22,267 --> 00:28:23,267
Speaker 3: Piney, how are you mate?

526
00:28:23,547 --> 00:28:27,067
Speaker 2: Very good? Very good. I'm just going to say, enjoying

527
00:28:27,067 --> 00:28:28,667
Speaker 2: the cricket. I think I'm enjoying the cricket. Are you

528
00:28:28,747 --> 00:28:29,467
Speaker 2: enjoying the cricket?

529
00:28:30,427 --> 00:28:32,667
Speaker 3: I love him the cricket. A and yeah, two quick

530
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:35,987
Speaker 3: comments if I've got time, Tim said, and maybe will young,

531
00:28:36,947 --> 00:28:38,667
Speaker 3: but hey, really I think it's a really good idea.

532
00:28:38,667 --> 00:28:41,267
Speaker 3: You've done a bit of a tribute to Tim Saudia

533
00:28:41,587 --> 00:28:45,587
Speaker 3: over yesterday and today, because his recent form is somewhat

534
00:28:45,587 --> 00:28:49,347
Speaker 3: overshadowing what a fantastic servant he's been for the game,

535
00:28:49,387 --> 00:28:52,387
Speaker 3: and he spearheaded the very strong attack through this sort

536
00:28:52,387 --> 00:28:56,427
Speaker 3: of golden era. My favorite memory of Tim Soudy is

537
00:28:56,467 --> 00:28:58,467
Speaker 3: actually a white ball one, even though I know red

538
00:28:58,467 --> 00:29:01,467
Speaker 3: ball's probably has been as strong as suit. But it

539
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:04,147
Speaker 3: was the twenty fifteen Cricket World cut down in Wellington

540
00:29:04,147 --> 00:29:06,627
Speaker 3: and he got seven for thirty three. I think it

541
00:29:06,707 --> 00:29:08,227
Speaker 3: was against the English and it was just one of

542
00:29:08,267 --> 00:29:11,627
Speaker 3: those magical medical afternoons in the Capitol. He just had

543
00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,107
Speaker 3: the ball on a string. I think they had five

544
00:29:14,147 --> 00:29:15,867
Speaker 3: slips in the gully and we had them all out

545
00:29:15,867 --> 00:29:19,067
Speaker 3: in twenty five overs and he was just at his

546
00:29:19,427 --> 00:29:21,747
Speaker 3: supreme that day. Just I think about five or six

547
00:29:21,787 --> 00:29:23,987
Speaker 3: of them were caught in the slips in the gully

548
00:29:25,107 --> 00:29:28,067
Speaker 3: And it was an awesome afternoon that McCullen came out

549
00:29:28,107 --> 00:29:30,707
Speaker 3: and smack seventy nine off the city or so and

550
00:29:31,827 --> 00:29:34,787
Speaker 3: the party carried on down into the dockside there and everything,

551
00:29:34,827 --> 00:29:37,387
Speaker 3: and it was just I think that Saturday. They then

552
00:29:37,387 --> 00:29:39,347
Speaker 3: went on to play Aussie and Williams and hit the six.

553
00:29:39,427 --> 00:29:41,307
Speaker 3: So it was just, you know, that was such a

554
00:29:41,307 --> 00:29:45,107
Speaker 3: good time to be a cricket supporter, and Saudi was

555
00:29:45,147 --> 00:29:46,147
Speaker 3: instrumental throughout.

556
00:29:46,987 --> 00:29:49,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I could not agree more with any

557
00:29:49,507 --> 00:29:51,867
Speaker 2: of that that year, that day at the stadium twenty fifteen.

558
00:29:52,227 --> 00:29:54,627
Speaker 2: I think we've spoken about it before, but yeah, because

559
00:29:54,907 --> 00:29:56,987
Speaker 2: England were out so quick that New Zealand came out

560
00:29:56,987 --> 00:30:01,227
Speaker 2: to bat before the scheduled innings break and then they

561
00:30:01,227 --> 00:30:04,107
Speaker 2: only and Bears went mental and they only needed about

562
00:30:04,147 --> 00:30:06,987
Speaker 2: ten and then they had the they had the dinner

563
00:30:06,987 --> 00:30:08,507
Speaker 2: break because I think they had all those food they

564
00:30:08,547 --> 00:30:09,187
Speaker 2: had to get rid of.

565
00:30:10,067 --> 00:30:12,827
Speaker 3: They did, they did, and I think he well, I

566
00:30:12,827 --> 00:30:15,267
Speaker 3: think it just that was just the way in which

567
00:30:15,267 --> 00:30:17,427
Speaker 3: they were playing those matches and winning them was just

568
00:30:18,187 --> 00:30:20,907
Speaker 3: was just an awesome, you know, time to be hard

569
00:30:20,947 --> 00:30:23,187
Speaker 3: of from a spectator. But he, I think bj Woling

570
00:30:23,227 --> 00:30:25,267
Speaker 3: even said it to yesterday. He had a bit of

571
00:30:25,267 --> 00:30:28,587
Speaker 3: a wobble in twenty nineteen, sad and he reinvented himself somewhat.

572
00:30:28,707 --> 00:30:31,107
Speaker 3: I think, as you said, he dropped about a five

573
00:30:31,227 --> 00:30:33,747
Speaker 3: chaos on his pace, but he was coming wide at

574
00:30:33,747 --> 00:30:36,147
Speaker 3: the wicked and he was he's really crafty. You know,

575
00:30:36,227 --> 00:30:38,027
Speaker 3: he was swinging it out, swinging it out and then

576
00:30:38,227 --> 00:30:40,507
Speaker 3: coming dipping one back in for LB and things. So

577
00:30:41,147 --> 00:30:44,667
Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a really cunning bowler, smart bowler,

578
00:30:44,667 --> 00:30:47,627
Speaker 3: and he's you know, he's been a fantastic servant for

579
00:30:47,667 --> 00:30:51,867
Speaker 3: the game, and he's spearheaded this attack really really well.

580
00:30:51,947 --> 00:30:55,427
Speaker 3: So you know, couldn't couldn't wish him a better, better retirement,

581
00:30:55,467 --> 00:30:57,307
Speaker 3: And as you say, it's a shame he's not sort

582
00:30:57,347 --> 00:30:59,547
Speaker 3: of the bowler he was at the moment, But that

583
00:30:59,587 --> 00:31:01,827
Speaker 3: should not take away from from what he's given to

584
00:31:01,947 --> 00:31:02,787
Speaker 3: New Zealand cricket.

585
00:31:03,227 --> 00:31:04,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, here here what about well Young?

586
00:31:04,987 --> 00:31:05,107
Speaker 9: Hey?

587
00:31:05,107 --> 00:31:07,427
Speaker 2: You giving him on the TA Yeah, it's an interesting

588
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:07,707
Speaker 2: one day.

589
00:31:07,747 --> 00:31:10,587
Speaker 3: I think what well Young needs to do is just

590
00:31:10,627 --> 00:31:13,707
Speaker 3: to get century monkey off his back and really make

591
00:31:13,787 --> 00:31:17,347
Speaker 3: himself resistle. You know, he's find as you've said, he

592
00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:21,667
Speaker 3: finds himself in that replacement player mode where he just

593
00:31:21,707 --> 00:31:24,667
Speaker 3: covers an injury and slide back in. But I think

594
00:31:24,707 --> 00:31:26,667
Speaker 3: there does have to be a place for him. I think,

595
00:31:27,067 --> 00:31:29,107
Speaker 3: you know, the two players for me that are probably

596
00:31:29,187 --> 00:31:33,027
Speaker 3: under pressure are Conway and Mitchell and and you know,

597
00:31:33,507 --> 00:31:36,067
Speaker 3: I think Will Young is more naturally a middle order

598
00:31:36,107 --> 00:31:39,627
Speaker 3: player and Darren Wtchill's been great, but but I think

599
00:31:39,667 --> 00:31:43,107
Speaker 3: of late you know, but combining him with Revender and

600
00:31:43,947 --> 00:31:45,747
Speaker 3: the way in which they've got out after they've got

601
00:31:45,787 --> 00:31:47,907
Speaker 3: good starts makes me think, you know, there's a bit

602
00:31:47,947 --> 00:31:51,147
Speaker 3: of there's a bit of pressure on there around those

603
00:31:51,187 --> 00:31:53,467
Speaker 3: two players to give Will younger go in in his

604
00:31:53,587 --> 00:31:56,827
Speaker 3: more suited area and see what he's made of and

605
00:31:57,067 --> 00:31:59,587
Speaker 3: if and if he can pull a sentry out, he

606
00:31:59,627 --> 00:32:03,347
Speaker 3: can just make himself completely irresistible to to.

607
00:32:03,787 --> 00:32:07,747
Speaker 2: Not pick Yeah, and cricket more than any sport does that.

608
00:32:08,507 --> 00:32:11,027
Speaker 2: If you get the runs, you're right. It's a it's

609
00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:13,627
Speaker 2: a very very difficult proposition to leave someone out who's

610
00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:16,947
Speaker 2: consistently scoring runs. I mean, you watch a game of

611
00:32:17,027 --> 00:32:19,427
Speaker 2: rugby and you think he's playing well. But cricket, you

612
00:32:19,467 --> 00:32:21,587
Speaker 2: know you've got the scores there to back up your

613
00:32:21,867 --> 00:32:24,227
Speaker 2: your gut feel about whether somebody is playing well or not.

614
00:32:24,387 --> 00:32:26,227
Speaker 2: And you're right. If William gets runs and he gets

615
00:32:26,267 --> 00:32:29,267
Speaker 2: that Century Monkey office back, as you say, then he

616
00:32:29,307 --> 00:32:33,387
Speaker 2: will make himself irresistible to the select this. Hey, better move,

617
00:32:33,427 --> 00:32:38,507
Speaker 2: George none, you too, George, Yeah, good on your mate,

618
00:32:38,507 --> 00:32:40,267
Speaker 2: which had again soon no doubt. Thanks for calling through.

619
00:32:40,267 --> 00:32:42,187
Speaker 2: I got a couple of get through just before that, though.

620
00:32:42,227 --> 00:32:44,747
Speaker 2: Let's get you to sid In Park and Hamilton. Courtesy

621
00:32:45,147 --> 00:32:48,827
Speaker 2: of the Alternative Commentary Collective. Henry Agam bowls two are.

622
00:32:48,867 --> 00:32:58,787
Speaker 1: The leading edge from Crawley and a great catch.

623
00:32:58,827 --> 00:33:03,627
Speaker 2: He's confused, he doesn't want to leave in fact, and

624
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:07,147
Speaker 2: he feels like, I think Henry didn't catch that bounced,

625
00:33:07,547 --> 00:33:09,507
Speaker 2: so they're gonna check it, and they have checked it

626
00:33:09,627 --> 00:33:12,987
Speaker 2: and it didn't bounce before Matt Henry caught it. So

627
00:33:13,187 --> 00:33:15,427
Speaker 2: Zach Crawley caught and bowl Matt Henry for twenty one

628
00:33:15,507 --> 00:33:19,107
Speaker 2: or fourteen balls. It's typically England's English batting, isn't it?

629
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:23,347
Speaker 2: So the first Wicke at falling at thirty two, so

630
00:33:23,427 --> 00:33:26,627
Speaker 2: thirty two for one and no sooner had that happened

631
00:33:26,747 --> 00:33:32,267
Speaker 2: than this happened Henry two Ducket's.

632
00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:34,667
Speaker 10: Twenty he's out his way.

633
00:33:36,267 --> 00:33:40,107
Speaker 2: So cracking delivery. He didn't even bother to review that one.

634
00:33:40,707 --> 00:33:44,067
Speaker 2: Is it in swinging delivery? And it had am form

635
00:33:44,307 --> 00:33:49,027
Speaker 2: in front of middle star. The height was good and

636
00:33:49,187 --> 00:33:53,667
Speaker 2: Henry just bowling magnificently. Again, let's had a lot, Yeah,

637
00:33:53,707 --> 00:33:56,987
Speaker 2: wonderful stuff. So that's been Duckett's at LBW to Matt

638
00:33:56,987 --> 00:34:00,347
Speaker 2: Henry for eleven. So from thirty two without loss, England

639
00:34:00,347 --> 00:34:04,507
Speaker 2: in our thirty three for two Matt Henry two for sixteen.

640
00:34:04,627 --> 00:34:09,187
Speaker 2: He continues to lead our bowlers with great skill, accuracy

641
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Speaker 2: and success. Lachland, thanks for holding mate. How are you

642
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Speaker 2: good mate? You Lachlan? I'm great? Thanks mate? What's on

643
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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 11: Just the fact that Tim Salvey's actually gone has actually

645
00:34:23,627 --> 00:34:27,187
Speaker 11: put the cracks up me because he was actually a

646
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Speaker 11: pretty decent bowler.

647
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Speaker 2: Oh, with that question, more than decent, our second greatest

648
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Speaker 2: wicket taker. So are you a bit worried about who's

649
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Speaker 2: going to come and to replace him?

650
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Speaker 11: Yeah? Actually, well I was thinking that Darryl let you

651
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Speaker 11: would yeah different.

652
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Speaker 2: I mean Daryl Mtch was hardly bold though has he

653
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Speaker 2: in an international cricket So I'm not sure that that

654
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Speaker 2: he's a natural placement. I think you're probably looking more

655
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Speaker 2: at someone like a like a Nathan Smith who's had

656
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Speaker 2: a few opportunities Ben Sears. Maybe. I think there's a

657
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Speaker 2: few candidates there. I don't think the cupboards necessarily.

658
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Speaker 11: Beare you well, yeah, good points on but it's actually

659
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Speaker 11: set a point where came Williamson, Brenda McCallum all that.

660
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Speaker 12: So yeah, all right.

661
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Speaker 2: Well I think I think we can look forward with

662
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Speaker 2: a bit of optimism, Lachlan, I hope we can anyway.

663
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Speaker 2: And look the point you make about we're sort of

664
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Speaker 2: coming to the end, don't we have this of this

665
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Speaker 2: golden era? And you look at the team that won

666
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Speaker 2: the World Test Championship in twenty twenty one, which wasn't

667
00:35:32,587 --> 00:35:35,347
Speaker 2: that long ago, only three years ago. The only guys

668
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Speaker 2: in this team today who played in that game the

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Speaker 2: World Test Championship final of Tom Latham came Williamson and

670
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Speaker 2: Tim Southey. You know it's been an almost complete changing

671
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Speaker 2: of the guard, which I guess happens, doesn't it. It

672
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Speaker 2: happens in international cricket. Twelve forty five are going to

673
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Speaker 2: get a breakway going to get you to set in

674
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Speaker 2: park shortly on newstalksb.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions off the turf Weekend Sport with Jason

676
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Speaker 1: Hine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

677
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Speaker 2: Talks twelve ay from one, twelve minutes away from lunch.

678
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Speaker 2: On day two of the Third Test between New Zealand

679
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Speaker 2: and England and Hamilton, let's get you to seven park

680
00:36:13,507 --> 00:36:17,147
Speaker 2: our man there is Andrew Orderson orders New Zealand resumed

681
00:36:17,187 --> 00:36:19,547
Speaker 2: three point fifteen for nine. They got through to three

682
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Speaker 2: forty seven so eked out thirty odd more runs and

683
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Speaker 2: have England thirty three for two. This is their session,

684
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Speaker 2: isn't it?

685
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Speaker 13: Sure is pinning. I think that's now standing displayed by

686
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Speaker 13: New Zealand and you mentioned first with will O Rourke

687
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Speaker 13: and Mitchell san Sant. They're getting to seventy six oh

688
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Speaker 13: five from thirty balls, including his first boundary in Test cricket.

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Speaker 3: I think off the one.

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Speaker 13: Hundred and eighty third ball he's faced in the games

691
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Speaker 13: at this point. So milestone is Willow will be importantly

692
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Speaker 13: keeping the New Zealand team total ticking over that three

693
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Speaker 13: forty seven and now the deficit threeteen with England thirty

694
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Speaker 13: three to two. Couple of key breakthroughs. Initially Zach Crawley

695
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Speaker 13: looking like the party proves at Tim Saldi bolling from

696
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Speaker 13: his eponymous end with sixteen off the first or Sally's

697
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Speaker 13: first over all boundaries of it, but he's since been

698
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Speaker 13: removed magnificent court and bold and the follow through by

699
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Speaker 13: Henry who has also taken Ben Duck at l WW

700
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Speaker 13: for eleven with Crawler game for twenty one. So yes,

701
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Speaker 13: New Zealand in command of this particular juncture getting to lunch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Matt Henry with both wickets, as you say,

703
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Speaker 2: he has rise has been quite extraordinary, hasn't it In

704
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Speaker 2: the last two or three years. He is now the

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Speaker 2: leading light in our seam attack without a shadow of

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Speaker 2: a doubt, and I.

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Speaker 13: Think, well, a raucous blossoming. But Henry, certainly they've seen

708
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Speaker 13: your partner here now and you know he said to

709
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Speaker 13: endure a period he had to waste his time beyond

710
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Speaker 13: Saudi and Bowls and Wagner and just had to keep

711
00:37:48,747 --> 00:37:52,707
Speaker 13: plugging away and really tenacious man. Henry showed a lot

712
00:37:52,747 --> 00:37:55,867
Speaker 13: of carriage over time. He's got plenty of pluck and yeah,

713
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Speaker 13: just coming into his own now and leading the way.

714
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Speaker 13: And here's a certain maturity about him in the game

715
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Speaker 13: now that that's pretty admirable to observe.

716
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Speaker 2: I are still in cleave with this a short time

717
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Speaker 2: ago when we had him on the air. Sure with

718
00:38:06,787 --> 00:38:08,987
Speaker 2: you can shedney light. But in ninety seven overs in

719
00:38:09,027 --> 00:38:12,387
Speaker 2: New Zealand's innings they didn't use their spinner. England Bashi

720
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Speaker 2: didn't bowl at all. Was that just because there was

721
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Speaker 2: always just something there for the seamers.

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Speaker 13: I think that's how Stokes would have read it. I

723
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Speaker 13: am surprised you didn't get used in some capacity just

724
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Speaker 13: to bring them into the game as much as anything,

725
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Speaker 13: and to just test it out because they're quite creative England.

726
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Speaker 13: You know, we've seen that in the time that there's

727
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Speaker 13: all been a policy, if you like, But I guess

728
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Speaker 13: using them thinking more for that that third innings though,

729
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Speaker 13: when it comes into play this year and because another

730
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Speaker 13: thing they're not using the He's actually had some success

731
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Speaker 13: against the Zealand so far in the series, so that

732
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Speaker 13: makes it more puzzling and confusing.

733
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Speaker 2: Finning indeed, indeed, well let's see what happens in the

734
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Speaker 2: second innings and whether Mitchell Santney gets a few overs

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand in England's first I thinks just before

736
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Speaker 2: you go a text through here, and it sort of

737
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Speaker 2: relates to our chats about the catering at the various

738
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Speaker 2: cricket grounds. Mike context of always wondered what international cricket

739
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Speaker 2: teams eat for lunch? Do they get an upgrade from

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Speaker 2: what the media get? Have you got the insight as

741
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Speaker 2: to what the teams get for lunch?

742
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Speaker 13: That's my understanding, certainly at Lord's or maybe the likes

743
00:39:20,747 --> 00:39:23,747
Speaker 13: of the edge of those fine culinary establishments of the

744
00:39:23,747 --> 00:39:27,627
Speaker 13: world Michelin star type fear as I understand it, Piney,

745
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Speaker 13: But yeah, the media is step down. But that's that's understandable.

746
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Speaker 13: We don't have we don't have quite the nutritional requirements.

747
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Speaker 2: I wondered with a plat with hot dog.

748
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Speaker 7: Territory, but you know, there you go.

749
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Speaker 2: No, I guess if you're if you're batting, and if

750
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Speaker 2: you're batting and you you don't want to fill your

751
00:39:46,987 --> 00:39:50,667
Speaker 2: fill your stomach up, do you at lunch time? You know?

752
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Speaker 2: And so in those some of those places you mentioned,

753
00:39:52,827 --> 00:39:54,467
Speaker 2: it's almost a little bit of a shame, isn't it.

754
00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:57,587
Speaker 2: You don't get the chance to enjoy everything that's on

755
00:39:57,627 --> 00:39:58,947
Speaker 2: off or if you're out there in the middle and

756
00:39:59,347 --> 00:40:01,147
Speaker 2: you've got to sort of you know, just maybe pick

757
00:40:01,147 --> 00:40:02,587
Speaker 2: it a bit of salad over lunch.

758
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Speaker 14: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 13: I think probably with the pliers it's more big. The

760
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Speaker 13: quality in media gets the quantity, and certainly I'm not

761
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Speaker 13: complaining you could pile onto it from the.

762
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Speaker 7: In soul your plate.

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Speaker 3: Fin it's all good.

764
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Speaker 2: Good on your orders. I know you've got a one

765
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Speaker 2: o'clock's there, No, I can't tell. I can tell there's

766
00:40:20,267 --> 00:40:22,787
Speaker 2: not a lot of disappointment in your voice. Made I

767
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Speaker 2: love it. I never got a one o'clock report to file.

768
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, mate, we'll catch up again before

769
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Speaker 2: three o'clock. Andrew Ordison, our man at Seddon Park and Hamilton,

770
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Speaker 2: England forty two for two trail by three hundred and

771
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Speaker 2: five after New Zealand were dismissed this morning for three

772
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven. Seven to one News Talk's EDB.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

774
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Speaker 1: sport with Jason Zin News Talk ZB four.

775
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Speaker 2: To one News Talk's EDB. Good to see Tim Saudi

776
00:40:51,427 --> 00:40:54,947
Speaker 2: bouncing back from a troublesome first over which went for

777
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Speaker 2: sixteen runs, one off his next over a maiden after

778
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Speaker 2: that in four from his fourth over, so four overs

779
00:41:01,587 --> 00:41:04,747
Speaker 2: none for twenty one. Now for Tim Southy. Matt Henry's

780
00:41:04,747 --> 00:41:07,627
Speaker 2: picked up the two wickets to fall in England's first innings.

781
00:41:07,747 --> 00:41:10,067
Speaker 2: He has two for twenty six, with Crawley and Duck

782
00:41:10,107 --> 00:41:12,587
Speaker 2: at the two openers, both back in the Hutch. We'll

783
00:41:12,627 --> 00:41:15,907
Speaker 2: keep you updated after one, but first up after the news,

784
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,387
Speaker 2: going to drill down into the challenges of transitioning from

785
00:41:19,467 --> 00:41:24,947
Speaker 2: professional sport to life after professional sport. Tim Bateman has

786
00:41:24,947 --> 00:41:28,827
Speaker 2: been a prominent voice in this area. Former top player'morly

787
00:41:28,827 --> 00:41:31,467
Speaker 2: All Blacks captain and owner now of a welldess company.

788
00:41:31,547 --> 00:41:33,467
Speaker 2: So yeah, looking forward to jetting to Tim Bateman.

789
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Speaker 1: Shortly the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

790
00:41:38,107 --> 00:41:41,827
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on WI Jens forward

791
00:41:41,907 --> 00:41:45,747
Speaker 1: with Jason Vain on your Home of Sport on What

792
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Speaker 1: Used Talks one seven.

793
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Welcome back to the show, Welcome

794
00:41:52,627 --> 00:41:56,027
Speaker 2: into the show, whatever the case may be. I'm Jason fine,

795
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Speaker 2: this is Weekend Sport, any McDonald's show producer. We are

796
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Speaker 2: with you until three o'clock. I extended this invitation to

797
00:42:02,067 --> 00:42:05,587
Speaker 2: people yesterday who were out doing their Christmas shopping. Perhaps

798
00:42:05,627 --> 00:42:08,427
Speaker 2: against there were I don't know. Maybe you're just the

799
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Speaker 2: driver in the situation. You're just the method of transportation

800
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Speaker 2: while somebody else in your family is the one doing

801
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Speaker 2: the Christmas shopping. I've often thought, and I've heard it

802
00:42:18,027 --> 00:42:23,067
Speaker 2: said that there's nobody more surprised on Christmas morning than

803
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Speaker 2: the father watching his kids unwrapped their Christmas presents.

804
00:42:27,067 --> 00:42:27,307
Speaker 6: Look.

805
00:42:27,347 --> 00:42:30,867
Speaker 2: That might be a stereotype. I don't know. But if

806
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Speaker 2: that's the boat that you find yourself in and you're

807
00:42:33,907 --> 00:42:36,147
Speaker 2: tuned in, look, we're happy to help you through the

808
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Speaker 2: rest of the afternoon or the next little bit of it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: if you want to interact with us, please do. If

810
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Speaker 2: you've got some time on your hands, do it by phone.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety

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Speaker 2: two is our text line. If you want to use

813
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Speaker 2: that method of communication, we'll be happy to hear from you,

814
00:42:50,987 --> 00:42:53,747
Speaker 2: or you can just listen in. It's great that you've

815
00:42:54,187 --> 00:42:56,707
Speaker 2: got a bit of time to spend, spend with us,

816
00:42:56,987 --> 00:43:00,067
Speaker 2: lunch in Hamilton, beautiful day in Hamilton by the looks

817
00:43:00,067 --> 00:43:02,667
Speaker 2: of the television pictures and from what Andrew Orderson was

818
00:43:02,667 --> 00:43:05,907
Speaker 2: telling us before one o'clock. If you are just tuning

819
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Speaker 2: in and you want an update, fifty four for two

820
00:43:08,187 --> 00:43:11,027
Speaker 2: England fifty four for two that after New Zealand got

821
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Speaker 2: through to three hundred and forty seven all out this morning,

822
00:43:13,867 --> 00:43:16,307
Speaker 2: they were three point fifteen for nine when they resumed

823
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Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock, Mitchell, Satner and will O'Rourke doing a

824
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Speaker 2: pretty good job of eking out the last few runs.

825
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Speaker 2: They put on forty four for the tenth wicket before

826
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Speaker 2: Mitchell Santon was the last man out for seventy six.

827
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Speaker 2: Will O'Rourke five not out, including his first Test boundary,

828
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Speaker 2: so three forty seven England have started chipping away at that.

829
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Speaker 2: Fifty four for two. Crawley and Duck at the men out,

830
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Speaker 2: the two openers both out of the bowling. Matt Henry

831
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Speaker 2: Who's got two for twenty eight one forty is when

832
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Speaker 2: they will resume at Seddon Park in Hamilton. James Mcony

833
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Speaker 2: this hour and a little bit of surf life saving

834
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Speaker 2: for you as well. But we start with intriguing and

835
00:43:57,947 --> 00:44:01,667
Speaker 2: slightly troubling news this week two thousand and three England

836
00:44:01,907 --> 00:44:05,387
Speaker 2: rugby World Cup winner Ben Cohen revealed this week he

837
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Speaker 2: sold his World Cup winner's medal in order to survive

838
00:44:10,907 --> 00:44:14,867
Speaker 2: financial struggles. During COVID nineteen, ben Cohen played fifty seven

839
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Speaker 2: tests for England, started in the two thousand and three

840
00:44:18,427 --> 00:44:21,987
Speaker 2: final victory over Australia in Sydney. Also played a couple

841
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Speaker 2: of matches for the British and Irish Lions. In two

842
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Speaker 2: thousand and one, in a newspaper interview, ben Cohen talked

843
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Speaker 2: about his post career struggles, including selling his winner's medal

844
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Speaker 2: in order to help relieve financial pressure on he and

845
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Speaker 2: his family. Now it again opened up the ongoing discussion

846
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Speaker 2: of the challenges of transitioning from life as a professional

847
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Speaker 2: sportsperson to life beyond that stage of life. Tim Bateman

848
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Speaker 2: played professional rugby for NELLI two decades with the Crusaders

849
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Speaker 2: and the Hurricanes. The multi All blacksby Captain. He also

850
00:44:54,547 --> 00:44:57,467
Speaker 2: had time in Japan and has been a prominent voice

851
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Speaker 2: in the space in both physical and mental wellness, and

852
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Speaker 2: he joins us now, Tim thanks for taking the time

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Speaker 2: to discuss this topic. It's an important one. I think.

854
00:45:06,347 --> 00:45:11,227
Speaker 2: I think that stories like ben Cohen's perhaps a little

855
00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:12,907
Speaker 2: bit more common than we think.

856
00:45:14,467 --> 00:45:16,787
Speaker 15: Well, they really are, aren't they, Which is just such

857
00:45:16,787 --> 00:45:20,187
Speaker 15: a shame. You know, it's an unbelievably sad story. But

858
00:45:20,227 --> 00:45:22,667
Speaker 15: it's not abnormal, is it. You know, we've all heard

859
00:45:22,707 --> 00:45:24,707
Speaker 15: stories like this and it's not a new thing either,

860
00:45:24,907 --> 00:45:27,307
Speaker 15: something that's been around a long time, and it crosses

861
00:45:27,387 --> 00:45:30,187
Speaker 15: codes and in necially crosses all industries. You know, support

862
00:45:30,307 --> 00:45:33,547
Speaker 15: is obviously highlighted a lot more. But it's just really so.

863
00:45:33,667 --> 00:45:36,467
Speaker 15: I mean, that whole financial management s side of things,

864
00:45:37,227 --> 00:45:40,427
Speaker 15: it's done right. Ideally you wouldn't be in a situation

865
00:45:40,507 --> 00:45:43,067
Speaker 15: like he's just been in. So it's yeah, it's really unfortunate.

866
00:45:43,107 --> 00:45:46,107
Speaker 15: But we hear much too much of it, don't we.

867
00:45:46,347 --> 00:45:48,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We do want to draw down to

868
00:45:48,427 --> 00:45:50,427
Speaker 2: that financial side of things and others in a moment,

869
00:45:50,467 --> 00:45:54,467
Speaker 2: but in very broad terms to how challenging is the

870
00:45:54,507 --> 00:45:57,507
Speaker 2: move from professional sport to life after that.

871
00:45:58,627 --> 00:46:01,427
Speaker 15: Yes, I mean it is a challenge. I mean, once

872
00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:02,947
Speaker 15: you know, I know, this is not the only challenge.

873
00:46:02,987 --> 00:46:05,307
Speaker 15: It's not a unique challenge. Everyone has challenges in life.

874
00:46:05,347 --> 00:46:08,467
Speaker 15: But it really is a difficult transition. It's really hard

875
00:46:08,467 --> 00:46:11,867
Speaker 15: to sort of explain all the different facets that that

876
00:46:11,947 --> 00:46:14,867
Speaker 15: you sort of have to consider. So just to check

877
00:46:14,907 --> 00:46:18,067
Speaker 15: a couple out there. So physical, it's like you significant

878
00:46:18,147 --> 00:46:21,507
Speaker 15: changes physically. I mean, you know, I played professionally for

879
00:46:21,507 --> 00:46:24,707
Speaker 15: seventeen years and my work was training, so literally I

880
00:46:24,747 --> 00:46:27,427
Speaker 15: turned up. I had people guiding me through being as

881
00:46:27,427 --> 00:46:31,027
Speaker 15: healthy as I possibly could be physically strong, fast, and

882
00:46:31,107 --> 00:46:33,147
Speaker 15: the flow and effects of that that move into sort

883
00:46:33,147 --> 00:46:34,987
Speaker 15: of that mental space as well. But you've also got

884
00:46:34,987 --> 00:46:36,947
Speaker 15: a lot of mental support around you with mental skills,

885
00:46:36,987 --> 00:46:42,027
Speaker 15: coaches and stuff, you know, mentors and whatnot that are

886
00:46:42,067 --> 00:46:43,867
Speaker 15: really shaping that. And all of a sudden, it's like

887
00:46:43,907 --> 00:46:46,307
Speaker 15: a stop mark that happens on those two things immediately,

888
00:46:46,627 --> 00:46:48,147
Speaker 15: you know, And all of a sudden, you've got to

889
00:46:48,147 --> 00:46:50,587
Speaker 15: figure that out, you know, and you can do nothing,

890
00:46:50,827 --> 00:46:52,667
Speaker 15: you know, and there'll be consequences for that.

891
00:46:53,067 --> 00:46:55,547
Speaker 5: You don't have to continue obviously, train my professional.

892
00:46:55,187 --> 00:46:56,587
Speaker 15: Athlete But one thing I always sort of try and

893
00:46:56,627 --> 00:46:58,347
Speaker 15: courage people to do is find a way that you

894
00:46:58,387 --> 00:47:01,747
Speaker 15: can stay active physically, because you can underestimate what that's

895
00:47:01,787 --> 00:47:05,067
Speaker 15: doing to you both physically and mentally. But there's a

896
00:47:05,147 --> 00:47:07,107
Speaker 15: number of other sort of factors so that we can

897
00:47:07,187 --> 00:47:07,707
Speaker 15: discuss that.

898
00:47:08,667 --> 00:47:10,787
Speaker 5: Yeah, those two are real obvious ones.

899
00:47:10,827 --> 00:47:13,107
Speaker 15: You leave an environment where you really looked after physically

900
00:47:13,187 --> 00:47:15,787
Speaker 15: and mentally, and all of a sudden, yeah, you're sort

901
00:47:15,787 --> 00:47:17,627
Speaker 15: of out on your own. Things are a little bit different.

902
00:47:17,867 --> 00:47:20,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are two of six pillars you talked

903
00:47:20,707 --> 00:47:23,107
Speaker 2: about on a terrific podcast I listened to a little

904
00:47:23,147 --> 00:47:26,427
Speaker 2: while ago with James Marshall about the six important pillars

905
00:47:26,427 --> 00:47:30,227
Speaker 2: for transition success. You've mentioned physical self and mental health,

906
00:47:30,267 --> 00:47:34,707
Speaker 2: social well being, financial structure, and passion or purpose with

907
00:47:34,787 --> 00:47:36,667
Speaker 2: the others. Are there any of those two that are

908
00:47:36,707 --> 00:47:40,987
Speaker 2: more common among retiring athletes than perhaps some of the others.

909
00:47:41,587 --> 00:47:45,587
Speaker 15: Well, Yeah, it's cool that the needless sort of the

910
00:47:46,107 --> 00:47:48,747
Speaker 15: framework through which I can sort of see things takes

911
00:47:48,747 --> 00:47:51,147
Speaker 15: social for example. You know, like the reality is in

912
00:47:51,187 --> 00:47:53,827
Speaker 15: a RUGDI or any sort of higher fluence bort environment

913
00:47:53,987 --> 00:47:56,587
Speaker 15: with a group of like minded people and you're having

914
00:47:56,627 --> 00:47:58,187
Speaker 15: a lot of fun together every day. You know, you

915
00:47:58,307 --> 00:48:00,467
Speaker 15: see's all the various stuff that's going on, but also

916
00:48:00,747 --> 00:48:02,787
Speaker 15: you've got this real sort of social connection. I hope

917
00:48:02,787 --> 00:48:04,907
Speaker 15: could travel up to Japan and all of a sudden,

918
00:48:04,907 --> 00:48:07,147
Speaker 15: I've got forty like mine people.

919
00:48:06,907 --> 00:48:08,547
Speaker 5: That I'm working together with every day.

920
00:48:08,827 --> 00:48:10,787
Speaker 15: Once again, you transition out of that, and it's not

921
00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,067
Speaker 15: as if that's there's no one that you can hang

922
00:48:13,067 --> 00:48:15,307
Speaker 15: out with socially, but it's just a different dynamic and

923
00:48:15,347 --> 00:48:17,587
Speaker 15: so you have to make adjustments to that. So once again,

924
00:48:17,587 --> 00:48:20,467
Speaker 15: what I always recommend players, you keep a really good

925
00:48:20,507 --> 00:48:24,507
Speaker 15: social network out of the game, out of whatever you're doing.

926
00:48:24,547 --> 00:48:27,347
Speaker 15: So when that leaves, you're sort of not left time dry,

927
00:48:27,387 --> 00:48:30,347
Speaker 15: because it is It's funny that, you know, the year

928
00:48:30,387 --> 00:48:32,227
Speaker 15: after Addis the Crusaders, it just feels a little bit

929
00:48:32,267 --> 00:48:35,027
Speaker 15: different message rich among it, even though we're close friends,

930
00:48:35,027 --> 00:48:36,867
Speaker 15: and it just does it feels like, you know, you're

931
00:48:36,907 --> 00:48:39,507
Speaker 15: that sort of guy clinging on from the outskirts, and

932
00:48:39,587 --> 00:48:42,467
Speaker 15: so even though you've built these really strong connections, it's

933
00:48:42,507 --> 00:48:45,507
Speaker 15: just a little bit different. But in financial obviously it's

934
00:48:45,667 --> 00:48:47,907
Speaker 15: that we're touching on here and there's a big there's

935
00:48:47,907 --> 00:48:51,747
Speaker 15: a big transition around finances and I'm firmly of the

936
00:48:51,827 --> 00:48:54,587
Speaker 15: view that you know, it shouldn't be a ceiling. You know,

937
00:48:55,427 --> 00:48:57,147
Speaker 15: the money that you can make as a row players

938
00:48:57,147 --> 00:48:59,427
Speaker 15: shouldn't be the only time that you can make that

939
00:48:59,427 --> 00:49:00,987
Speaker 15: sort of money. If you if you set things up

940
00:49:01,027 --> 00:49:03,467
Speaker 15: well and you do things honestly, you should be able

941
00:49:03,467 --> 00:49:06,547
Speaker 15: to sort of, you know, chase another nuntin. But is

942
00:49:06,587 --> 00:49:08,387
Speaker 15: last two that you sort of touched on just now,

943
00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:11,227
Speaker 15: that sort of passion and purpose and structure that is

944
00:49:12,107 --> 00:49:14,267
Speaker 15: that that's that's a really important one that she was

945
00:49:14,267 --> 00:49:17,587
Speaker 15: down at Otaio Correction Facility speaking with some of the

946
00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:21,667
Speaker 15: inmates that are transitioning out, and this is the two

947
00:49:21,867 --> 00:49:23,427
Speaker 15: or the structure one for them is a.

948
00:49:23,387 --> 00:49:23,987
Speaker 5: Real big one.

949
00:49:24,067 --> 00:49:26,907
Speaker 15: So like as a rugby player, I could tell you

950
00:49:26,907 --> 00:49:28,547
Speaker 15: what I was going to be doing in three years time,

951
00:49:28,627 --> 00:49:29,867
Speaker 15: what I was going to be eating, where I was

952
00:49:29,907 --> 00:49:31,507
Speaker 15: going to be, who was going to be worth the things?

953
00:49:31,627 --> 00:49:33,867
Speaker 15: And that provides quite an element of certainty in your

954
00:49:33,867 --> 00:49:37,387
Speaker 15: life that your weeks and your years and your months

955
00:49:37,387 --> 00:49:40,187
Speaker 15: are very very structured. Once again, when you leave, you've

956
00:49:40,187 --> 00:49:42,467
Speaker 15: got to build your own structure into your life. Well,

957
00:49:42,467 --> 00:49:44,027
Speaker 15: when do you find time for your family, When do

958
00:49:44,027 --> 00:49:45,867
Speaker 15: you find time to look after yourself pysically, when do

959
00:49:45,907 --> 00:49:48,147
Speaker 15: you find times that be social? When do you how

960
00:49:48,147 --> 00:49:51,867
Speaker 15: do you manage all these things? And so it's optimized

961
00:49:51,907 --> 00:49:54,467
Speaker 15: with a high forence environment, but you've got to figure

962
00:49:54,507 --> 00:49:56,827
Speaker 15: all that stuff out for yourself. So once again, it's

963
00:49:56,867 --> 00:50:01,027
Speaker 15: just it's a transition that that passion and purpose piece

964
00:50:01,827 --> 00:50:04,467
Speaker 15: very similar to the social you're in an environment where

965
00:50:04,507 --> 00:50:08,667
Speaker 15: people are really towards something and you're on the shared

966
00:50:08,747 --> 00:50:10,667
Speaker 15: mission to ear every week, where you're sort of almost

967
00:50:10,707 --> 00:50:14,027
Speaker 15: like you go into war, you know, And it just

968
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:16,987
Speaker 15: fosters a real sense of enjoyment and passion for what

969
00:50:17,027 --> 00:50:20,267
Speaker 15: you're doing. When you leave that, it's not about you

970
00:50:20,307 --> 00:50:21,827
Speaker 15: don't have to replace it to the same a group,

971
00:50:21,827 --> 00:50:23,867
Speaker 15: but you've got to find something else that you can

972
00:50:24,027 --> 00:50:26,347
Speaker 15: sort of be passionate about or can taste. Because I

973
00:50:26,387 --> 00:50:29,107
Speaker 15: really think there's a lot of benefits that come towards

974
00:50:29,187 --> 00:50:31,507
Speaker 15: working to working on something or towards something that you

975
00:50:31,587 --> 00:50:32,307
Speaker 15: really care about.

976
00:50:33,387 --> 00:50:35,507
Speaker 2: So interesting, and I look at those six things, and

977
00:50:35,547 --> 00:50:37,747
Speaker 2: as you've outlined, they're all so important. I guess though,

978
00:50:37,747 --> 00:50:40,427
Speaker 2: you could get by without you having your mates around all,

979
00:50:40,467 --> 00:50:42,987
Speaker 2: without having a particular purpose, but you need to earn,

980
00:50:43,027 --> 00:50:45,267
Speaker 2: don't you, well, most people do. There's very few who

981
00:50:45,947 --> 00:50:49,147
Speaker 2: retire from professional sport with enough to not ever have

982
00:50:49,267 --> 00:50:53,747
Speaker 2: to work again. What can be better done to help athletes,

983
00:50:54,027 --> 00:50:57,027
Speaker 2: you know, I guess, not have to face those financial challenges,

984
00:50:57,267 --> 00:51:00,107
Speaker 2: but also to help alleviate them.

985
00:51:00,587 --> 00:51:03,187
Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I'm probably a little bit different to

986
00:51:03,267 --> 00:51:05,947
Speaker 15: how some people would view this, but I'm a massive

987
00:51:05,987 --> 00:51:09,627
Speaker 15: fan of sort of personal accountability, personal responsibility. And the

988
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:12,427
Speaker 15: reality is is there is a lot of support out

989
00:51:12,427 --> 00:51:16,067
Speaker 15: there and and some players and athletes will choose to

990
00:51:16,107 --> 00:51:18,787
Speaker 15: engage with it more than others, and you know, and

991
00:51:18,827 --> 00:51:21,387
Speaker 15: that's and that's once again, it's not it's not to

992
00:51:21,467 --> 00:51:23,867
Speaker 15: throw any under under the bus, and that life is

993
00:51:23,947 --> 00:51:26,467
Speaker 15: challenging for everyone. But at the same time, like your

994
00:51:26,547 --> 00:51:28,467
Speaker 15: life is discerned by what you choose to put in

995
00:51:28,507 --> 00:51:30,187
Speaker 15: and where you choose to put your focus. And so

996
00:51:30,627 --> 00:51:34,027
Speaker 15: if you've had zero time thinking about or planning for

997
00:51:34,467 --> 00:51:37,187
Speaker 15: a change socially or financially or physically.

998
00:51:37,267 --> 00:51:39,547
Speaker 14: Whatever it is that's going on, i mean, the reality

999
00:51:39,587 --> 00:51:40,027
Speaker 14: is it's going.

1000
00:51:39,947 --> 00:51:42,867
Speaker 5: To be harder. That's that's just the way it fools out.

1001
00:51:42,947 --> 00:51:45,507
Speaker 15: And i mean, I'm sure there's lots of things that

1002
00:51:45,507 --> 00:51:48,707
Speaker 15: that all organizations can do to better support their people.

1003
00:51:49,507 --> 00:51:51,827
Speaker 15: So it's not if it's not a complete blanket, but

1004
00:51:51,907 --> 00:51:53,947
Speaker 15: in my experience it's really good.

1005
00:51:53,987 --> 00:51:56,467
Speaker 5: An individual driven and the.

1006
00:51:56,467 --> 00:51:59,827
Speaker 15: Support that you get from the organization that should almost

1007
00:51:59,907 --> 00:52:02,547
Speaker 15: be a bonus. I probably think about when I first

1008
00:52:02,587 --> 00:52:05,587
Speaker 15: came into into a high performance to what it was

1009
00:52:05,627 --> 00:52:08,427
Speaker 15: like when I left and we had professional development, managed

1010
00:52:08,427 --> 00:52:10,627
Speaker 15: to be mental skills coaches. We had you know, we

1011
00:52:10,627 --> 00:52:12,227
Speaker 15: would be put on to the right people if we

1012
00:52:12,307 --> 00:52:15,027
Speaker 15: wanted doors open. There was a whole network that you

1013
00:52:15,067 --> 00:52:19,227
Speaker 15: could access. But the reality is it doesn't feel important

1014
00:52:19,267 --> 00:52:21,187
Speaker 15: at the time. You're really just thinking about the game

1015
00:52:21,227 --> 00:52:23,587
Speaker 15: and the weekend, and you've got ten guys behind you're

1016
00:52:23,587 --> 00:52:25,387
Speaker 15: wanting to take your spot, so it doesn't become a

1017
00:52:25,427 --> 00:52:28,587
Speaker 15: real just as never seen as a real priority until all.

1018
00:52:28,467 --> 00:52:32,427
Speaker 2: Of a sudden it is, yeah, I've got written down here.

1019
00:52:33,227 --> 00:52:35,627
Speaker 2: I wonder if players who are early in their careers

1020
00:52:35,707 --> 00:52:38,227
Speaker 2: are less open to discussions of the sort because it

1021
00:52:38,347 --> 00:52:40,387
Speaker 2: just seems so far away from them, Jim, doesn't it

1022
00:52:40,387 --> 00:52:42,867
Speaker 2: a twenty one, twenty two year old player who all

1023
00:52:42,907 --> 00:52:45,467
Speaker 2: they're caring about is exactly what you've outlined, playing their best,

1024
00:52:45,547 --> 00:52:47,987
Speaker 2: keeping their spot becoming it all black, whatever it might be.

1025
00:52:48,227 --> 00:52:52,187
Speaker 2: Are players early in their careers less open to discussions

1026
00:52:52,227 --> 00:52:54,227
Speaker 2: about what happens post career?

1027
00:52:55,307 --> 00:52:57,867
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's quite unique, isn't it if you

1028
00:52:57,867 --> 00:53:00,507
Speaker 15: think about every other career. You know, you don't go

1029
00:53:00,627 --> 00:53:04,187
Speaker 15: into your legal career or your teaching career having to

1030
00:53:04,267 --> 00:53:07,347
Speaker 15: plan for your next career. Yeah, you're not thinking, actually

1031
00:53:07,347 --> 00:53:09,507
Speaker 15: I need to think about what's going to happen next.

1032
00:53:10,267 --> 00:53:12,827
Speaker 15: But so I think rugby is unique, or hard sports,

1033
00:53:12,867 --> 00:53:13,627
Speaker 15: water is unique, and.

1034
00:53:13,587 --> 00:53:16,107
Speaker 5: That there is always going to be a finish line.

1035
00:53:16,547 --> 00:53:19,227
Speaker 5: This is, but it never really feels like it.

1036
00:53:19,867 --> 00:53:22,147
Speaker 15: And I think, I mean, I know that the induction

1037
00:53:22,267 --> 00:53:24,227
Speaker 15: they do at the ends that are for all new

1038
00:53:24,227 --> 00:53:26,867
Speaker 15: players is a huge focus on this. The reality is, guys,

1039
00:53:27,267 --> 00:53:31,467
Speaker 15: the average lifespan of professional players in New Zealand, I

1040
00:53:31,467 --> 00:53:33,947
Speaker 15: think it was three years when I was back back

1041
00:53:33,987 --> 00:53:36,467
Speaker 15: when I was playing. It might have grown potendially for

1042
00:53:36,507 --> 00:53:38,627
Speaker 15: four or five years, but really, really, you know, that's

1043
00:53:38,667 --> 00:53:41,787
Speaker 15: the average life. So if you're thinking, well, some guys

1044
00:53:41,787 --> 00:53:43,507
Speaker 15: are going to be here a year, some guys might

1045
00:53:43,587 --> 00:53:45,427
Speaker 15: get to be here fifteen years, you know, some guys

1046
00:53:45,467 --> 00:53:46,907
Speaker 15: are going to be out of here in a couple

1047
00:53:46,947 --> 00:53:51,547
Speaker 15: of months. So it's I think that everyone's aware of it,

1048
00:53:51,667 --> 00:53:55,427
Speaker 15: everyone understands it, but actually being able to practically take

1049
00:53:55,467 --> 00:53:58,027
Speaker 15: steps to manage that transition.

1050
00:53:58,267 --> 00:54:00,587
Speaker 5: It's not. I don't think it's as engaged with it

1051
00:54:00,627 --> 00:54:01,267
Speaker 5: as it can be.

1052
00:54:02,507 --> 00:54:06,027
Speaker 2: You're a parent. Do you think parents might be reticent

1053
00:54:06,427 --> 00:54:11,187
Speaker 2: towards steering their their talented child towards a professional sporting

1054
00:54:11,227 --> 00:54:13,867
Speaker 2: career because of what might happen to them beyond it.

1055
00:54:15,547 --> 00:54:16,067
Speaker 2: I hope not.

1056
00:54:16,867 --> 00:54:17,707
Speaker 5: I really hope not.

1057
00:54:17,827 --> 00:54:21,187
Speaker 15: I mean, I think I think you know, once again,

1058
00:54:21,347 --> 00:54:24,107
Speaker 15: it's it's really what you choose to put in and

1059
00:54:24,107 --> 00:54:26,187
Speaker 15: and and the and the way you engage with anything

1060
00:54:26,227 --> 00:54:29,107
Speaker 15: that matters most, and the opportunities that come and the

1061
00:54:29,147 --> 00:54:32,707
Speaker 15: experiences that you get to have and h sport are

1062
00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:35,907
Speaker 15: absolutely incredible. And say one thing I would sort of

1063
00:54:35,947 --> 00:54:37,667
Speaker 15: love to say is I think some of the skills

1064
00:54:37,667 --> 00:54:41,547
Speaker 15: that you acquire through professional sports, they aren't recognized out

1065
00:54:41,587 --> 00:54:44,227
Speaker 15: of the game, which is a real shame. Like some

1066
00:54:44,267 --> 00:54:47,347
Speaker 15: of the best leaders I know and some of the

1067
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Speaker 15: most driven, some of the guys that are super diligent

1068
00:54:51,947 --> 00:54:54,827
Speaker 15: and planning, the communication skills are through the roof and

1069
00:54:56,147 --> 00:55:00,587
Speaker 15: are really able to inspire and it's super dedicated and discipline,

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00:55:00,987 --> 00:55:03,947
Speaker 15: all these skills that in any in any career are

1071
00:55:03,987 --> 00:55:07,467
Speaker 15: really really important. You can't build into a CV, really,

1072
00:55:07,547 --> 00:55:09,867
Speaker 15: you know, there's no there's no qualification that you get

1073
00:55:09,867 --> 00:55:10,507
Speaker 15: when you leave.

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Speaker 5: The game that's recognized out of the game.

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Speaker 15: So I think, I mean, I think professional squad is

1076
00:55:15,827 --> 00:55:18,947
Speaker 15: incredible for the opportunities that you get, for the experiences

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00:55:18,947 --> 00:55:20,187
Speaker 15: that you get to have. So if I was a

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00:55:20,267 --> 00:55:21,827
Speaker 15: parent with the you know, I am a parent with

1079
00:55:21,827 --> 00:55:23,587
Speaker 15: you with young girls, I would love them to want

1080
00:55:23,627 --> 00:55:27,307
Speaker 15: to choose to delve into into professional squat push themselves

1081
00:55:27,307 --> 00:55:29,787
Speaker 15: into a career because I really do think even if

1082
00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:32,747
Speaker 15: it's not professional, I just think being engaged in sport,

1083
00:55:32,867 --> 00:55:34,907
Speaker 15: being a part of a team, you know, where you've

1084
00:55:34,947 --> 00:55:37,147
Speaker 15: got this sort of mission together. I just think there's

1085
00:55:37,147 --> 00:55:40,787
Speaker 15: so many upsides to that that I hope people wouldn't

1086
00:55:40,827 --> 00:55:42,787
Speaker 15: be so hey, stay from it just in case you're successful,

1087
00:55:42,787 --> 00:55:44,027
Speaker 15: because it's going to be a hard transition.

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00:55:44,547 --> 00:55:48,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic topic. You've given us a terrific food for thought. Tim,

1089
00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:51,707
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for giving us your time, mate, Thanks

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00:55:51,747 --> 00:55:53,867
Speaker 2: for having me now, thanks for joining us. Tim Tim Bateman,

1091
00:55:53,907 --> 00:55:57,627
Speaker 2: then former top level rugby player for nearly two decades,

1092
00:55:57,667 --> 00:55:59,827
Speaker 2: with the Crusaders and the Hurricanes playing in Japan. Captain the

1093
00:55:59,907 --> 00:56:04,347
Speaker 2: Mighty All Blacks. Good player, but clearly a very very

1094
00:56:04,867 --> 00:56:09,307
Speaker 2: intelligent blog, particulate eloquent on this topic, which I've always

1095
00:56:09,467 --> 00:56:16,267
Speaker 2: found fascinating, the transition and the challenges of transitioning from

1096
00:56:16,307 --> 00:56:20,227
Speaker 2: being a professional sportsperson to the next part of your life,

1097
00:56:20,307 --> 00:56:24,947
Speaker 2: because we all know that well for most sports anyway,

1098
00:56:24,987 --> 00:56:27,547
Speaker 2: there are probably some exceptions where you can play longer.

1099
00:56:27,587 --> 00:56:32,107
Speaker 2: But let's look at the contact sports like rugby, rugby,

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00:56:32,147 --> 00:56:36,347
Speaker 2: league football, netball, hockey. You know, any sport you can

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00:56:36,387 --> 00:56:41,227
Speaker 2: play professionally which is a physical sport. By the time

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00:56:41,227 --> 00:56:45,427
Speaker 2: you reach your mid thirties, you're coming towards the end

1103
00:56:45,627 --> 00:56:47,347
Speaker 2: and there is a heck of a lot of life

1104
00:56:47,427 --> 00:56:51,307
Speaker 2: left after that for you to negotiate and to navigate.

1105
00:56:52,667 --> 00:56:54,987
Speaker 2: You might have some thoughts on this anything that resonated

1106
00:56:55,027 --> 00:56:57,067
Speaker 2: with you there From Tim Bateman, I'd be keen to

1107
00:56:57,147 --> 00:57:00,027
Speaker 2: kick this around with you. Any personal experiences you've had.

1108
00:57:01,307 --> 00:57:04,027
Speaker 2: And the question I asked there at the end, it

1109
00:57:04,067 --> 00:57:06,347
Speaker 2: was something that was posed to me during the week

1110
00:57:06,667 --> 00:57:09,987
Speaker 2: when we were thinking about this topic, is if your

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00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:14,987
Speaker 2: child is a talented young sports person who has started

1112
00:57:15,027 --> 00:57:19,947
Speaker 2: to think about the possibility of a life in professional sport.

1113
00:57:20,027 --> 00:57:23,947
Speaker 2: Would you be in any way reticent about that, in

1114
00:57:23,987 --> 00:57:29,187
Speaker 2: any way worried that they will at some point, if

1115
00:57:29,227 --> 00:57:31,907
Speaker 2: they're successful and go on to be a pro athlete,

1116
00:57:32,347 --> 00:57:38,587
Speaker 2: will have to transition out the other end into a productive, happy, successful,

1117
00:57:38,947 --> 00:57:43,227
Speaker 2: safe life. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten to eighty one.

1118
00:57:43,227 --> 00:57:45,267
Speaker 2: Thing that some said there that stood out for me,

1119
00:57:45,387 --> 00:57:47,667
Speaker 2: or one of a number of things, was the personal

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Speaker 2: accountability bit. He said, you know that these professional athletes

1121
00:57:54,147 --> 00:57:59,227
Speaker 2: all know they all know that it's it's a limited

1122
00:57:59,267 --> 00:58:02,787
Speaker 2: shelf life the profession they choose. And as I say,

1123
00:58:02,867 --> 00:58:04,987
Speaker 2: there's a lot of life to live after you stop playing.

1124
00:58:06,347 --> 00:58:09,707
Speaker 2: Most people would say, no, one's entitled to work until

1125
00:58:09,707 --> 00:58:11,467
Speaker 2: they're thirty five and then that's it. And I don't

1126
00:58:11,467 --> 00:58:13,787
Speaker 2: think there's any suggestion of that. And there are very

1127
00:58:13,787 --> 00:58:19,187
Speaker 2: few professional sports people who are able to earn enough

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00:58:19,187 --> 00:58:22,587
Speaker 2: money in their career to never have to worry about

1129
00:58:22,587 --> 00:58:24,627
Speaker 2: working again. But it's not just the money really, it's

1130
00:58:24,947 --> 00:58:28,467
Speaker 2: the sense of purpose, the mental and physical well being,

1131
00:58:28,507 --> 00:58:30,827
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. But what I would say

1132
00:58:30,907 --> 00:58:34,387
Speaker 2: is that professional sports people are put into a very

1133
00:58:34,467 --> 00:58:39,067
Speaker 2: unique bubble. Often very early in their lives. You think

1134
00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:43,027
Speaker 2: about a sportsperson in their late teens coming into a

1135
00:58:43,027 --> 00:58:47,067
Speaker 2: professional rugby environment, if we're going to use a hypothetical here.

1136
00:58:47,907 --> 00:58:51,347
Speaker 2: From the moment they are inside a professional rugby environment,

1137
00:58:51,387 --> 00:58:56,427
Speaker 2: they're told where to be, what to eat, what to wear,

1138
00:58:58,227 --> 00:59:02,227
Speaker 2: everything about what their week will look like, the structure

1139
00:59:02,267 --> 00:59:04,187
Speaker 2: of the week. When they have their meetings, when they

1140
00:59:04,227 --> 00:59:06,947
Speaker 2: have their gym sessions, when they have their days off.

1141
00:59:07,587 --> 00:59:10,427
Speaker 2: A lot of things are done for them. It is

1142
00:59:10,507 --> 00:59:13,147
Speaker 2: not a normal life, not the normal life of a

1143
00:59:13,787 --> 00:59:16,387
Speaker 2: if you if you think of a typical teenager, it's

1144
00:59:16,427 --> 00:59:19,347
Speaker 2: not a normal life. So it's not surprising that when

1145
00:59:19,347 --> 00:59:22,467
Speaker 2: they come to the back end of it they find

1146
00:59:22,507 --> 00:59:24,987
Speaker 2: it a little bit challenging to to go into a

1147
00:59:25,027 --> 00:59:29,307
Speaker 2: normal life. The other one which is very interesting to

1148
00:59:29,347 --> 00:59:32,467
Speaker 2: me is the fact that you have to have a purpose.

1149
00:59:32,547 --> 00:59:36,787
Speaker 2: That there is there is just an innate need among

1150
00:59:36,907 --> 00:59:40,707
Speaker 2: human beings to have a purpose. And once that you

1151
00:59:40,747 --> 00:59:44,107
Speaker 2: know that purpose is taken away, it's got to be

1152
00:59:44,147 --> 00:59:47,627
Speaker 2: replaced by something else. But the qualities that are learned

1153
00:59:47,627 --> 00:59:51,027
Speaker 2: and honed and enhanced in sport have to be valuable

1154
00:59:51,667 --> 00:59:56,427
Speaker 2: useful in other industries, don't They resilience, commitment, reacting to disappointment,

1155
00:59:56,467 --> 01:00:02,547
Speaker 2: problem solving all of that stuff. Leadership. There are a

1156
01:00:02,587 --> 01:00:05,987
Speaker 2: lot of things which are transferable across across industries, and

1157
01:00:06,067 --> 01:00:09,547
Speaker 2: yet it is still a very very difficult bridge to cross,

1158
01:00:10,067 --> 01:00:12,867
Speaker 2: and even the ones who have done it well, like

1159
01:00:12,947 --> 01:00:17,707
Speaker 2: Tim Bateman Francesca was talking earlier about Andy ellis another

1160
01:00:17,747 --> 01:00:21,507
Speaker 2: one who seems to have successfully transitioned into a number

1161
01:00:21,507 --> 01:00:25,347
Speaker 2: of different projects. Posters playing career. But they all say,

1162
01:00:25,427 --> 01:00:28,507
Speaker 2: they will all tell you that it is at the

1163
01:00:28,547 --> 01:00:32,747
Speaker 2: time a challenge to step away. They all know what's

1164
01:00:32,787 --> 01:00:35,147
Speaker 2: going to happen, they all know that it's a limited

1165
01:00:35,147 --> 01:00:40,747
Speaker 2: shelf life, but the vast, vast majority of them find

1166
01:00:40,747 --> 01:00:44,267
Speaker 2: it very very difficult to move away from it for

1167
01:00:44,387 --> 01:00:46,667
Speaker 2: whatever reason that might be, oh, eight hundred and eighty

1168
01:00:46,747 --> 01:00:48,347
Speaker 2: ten eighty, if you've got any thoughts on that, nine two,

1169
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Speaker 2: nine and two on text one twenty six it iss

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Speaker 2: We're back after this. On Weekend Sport, the.

1171
01:00:53,027 --> 01:00:56,387
Speaker 1: Biggest seams in sports are on the Weekend Sports with.

1172
01:00:56,547 --> 01:00:58,067
Speaker 2: Jason Pain and GJ.

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01:00:58,267 --> 01:01:01,707
Speaker 1: Gubnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be one nine on Weekend Sport talking transition from

1175
01:01:06,787 --> 01:01:11,267
Speaker 2: pro sport to life beyond pro sport. Hello, Morris, you

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01:01:11,307 --> 01:01:11,587
Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 8: You look at sport, there's no different than guys who

1178
01:01:15,627 --> 01:01:18,027
Speaker 8: come out of the army. You're in a you know,

1179
01:01:18,027 --> 01:01:19,867
Speaker 8: you're in your for teen years. You're in a regiment

1180
01:01:19,947 --> 01:01:23,587
Speaker 8: of regime that you transition out into the ta million workforce.

1181
01:01:24,067 --> 01:01:27,107
Speaker 8: And that's what these guys are doing. But the biggest

1182
01:01:27,147 --> 01:01:31,827
Speaker 8: problem is is that you don't have a lot of

1183
01:01:31,867 --> 01:01:35,467
Speaker 8: time to transition. Your career is over and that next

1184
01:01:35,547 --> 01:01:38,667
Speaker 8: day you're unemployed. And if you look at the French

1185
01:01:38,707 --> 01:01:40,307
Speaker 8: what they do with their rugby parts, I think they

1186
01:01:40,307 --> 01:01:43,067
Speaker 8: get a they contribute each each year and if you

1187
01:01:43,147 --> 01:01:46,027
Speaker 8: played over three years, you get a twelve month, you

1188
01:01:46,107 --> 01:01:48,187
Speaker 8: get your salary for twelve months afterwards. Give you that

1189
01:01:48,227 --> 01:01:51,547
Speaker 8: transition time. And I think that that's where you know,

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01:01:51,587 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 8: for professional sports athletes, they need to start looking at

1191
01:01:53,787 --> 01:01:54,387
Speaker 8: things like that.

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01:01:55,227 --> 01:01:57,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, the money one's the interesting one for me, Morris.

1193
01:01:57,467 --> 01:01:59,027
Speaker 2: Like I said to Tim Bateman, you can get by.

1194
01:01:59,107 --> 01:02:01,067
Speaker 2: I mean the stuff might be difficult, Like you know,

1195
01:02:01,067 --> 01:02:03,147
Speaker 2: I say, moving out of a team environment, not having

1196
01:02:03,147 --> 01:02:06,227
Speaker 2: the adulation, you know, not having the skills to cook

1197
01:02:06,387 --> 01:02:07,747
Speaker 2: your own meals and stuff, like that. But you can

1198
01:02:07,827 --> 01:02:10,107
Speaker 2: quickly sort of you know, fudgs your way through that.

1199
01:02:10,187 --> 01:02:12,587
Speaker 2: But it's the financial thing, the fact that the that

1200
01:02:12,587 --> 01:02:15,267
Speaker 2: your paypack it stops. The moment you stop playing your paypack,

1201
01:02:15,307 --> 01:02:17,387
Speaker 2: it stops, but you've still got bills to pay.

1202
01:02:19,107 --> 01:02:21,187
Speaker 8: Yeah, but a lot of things is that, Like you know,

1203
01:02:21,307 --> 01:02:23,347
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing is that with most people

1204
01:02:23,347 --> 01:02:26,067
Speaker 8: when they're any good money and then the dream, but

1205
01:02:26,067 --> 01:02:28,307
Speaker 8: they in the head they know it's not going to last.

1206
01:02:29,067 --> 01:02:31,347
Speaker 8: And in these areas around that, and I think a

1207
01:02:31,347 --> 01:02:33,507
Speaker 8: lot of the issues people say, oh, well, I'm unemployed,

1208
01:02:33,507 --> 01:02:35,147
Speaker 8: and you know, everyone's fault with their own, but a

1209
01:02:35,147 --> 01:02:36,787
Speaker 8: lot of their own fault because they choose to have

1210
01:02:36,827 --> 01:02:39,027
Speaker 8: an expective, color choose to live the life of Riley

1211
01:02:39,227 --> 01:02:42,067
Speaker 8: and they don't plan to hit and there's a lot

1212
01:02:42,067 --> 01:02:43,787
Speaker 8: of work needs to go into that, and I think

1213
01:02:43,827 --> 01:02:45,867
Speaker 8: what they should be doing is obviously taking a percentage

1214
01:02:45,867 --> 01:02:48,347
Speaker 8: of their paycheck, putting it into a pinch in front.

1215
01:02:48,547 --> 01:02:50,627
Speaker 8: It look twenty years ago, I worked at the freezing works.

1216
01:02:50,667 --> 01:02:52,987
Speaker 8: It was sort of six or seven months a year,

1217
01:02:53,547 --> 01:02:54,987
Speaker 8: but when you got your holloway part at the end

1218
01:02:54,987 --> 01:02:57,267
Speaker 8: of the season, it was substantial, you know, and it

1219
01:02:57,387 --> 01:02:59,027
Speaker 8: got you through most of the rest of the year

1220
01:02:59,707 --> 01:03:03,707
Speaker 8: and and so you know, they need to start looking

1221
01:03:03,707 --> 01:03:05,227
Speaker 8: at things like that. And it's like I said, when

1222
01:03:05,227 --> 01:03:08,227
Speaker 8: the guys leave the military, they leave they think they've

1223
01:03:08,267 --> 01:03:09,627
Speaker 8: got the pinch and that all the rest of it,

1224
01:03:09,627 --> 01:03:14,107
Speaker 8: which allows him to transition into the community. And this

1225
01:03:14,147 --> 01:03:17,027
Speaker 8: is what we're not doing with professional athletes. And the

1226
01:03:17,107 --> 01:03:19,147
Speaker 8: other thing is that a lot of professional athletes have

1227
01:03:19,227 --> 01:03:21,587
Speaker 8: egos which people who join the army and other things

1228
01:03:21,627 --> 01:03:25,507
Speaker 8: don't in that. But I think at the same time,

1229
01:03:25,507 --> 01:03:28,187
Speaker 8: you've got to be responsible yourself and you can't blame hey,

1230
01:03:28,267 --> 01:03:30,787
Speaker 8: what do I do because the day you start sport,

1231
01:03:31,267 --> 01:03:34,307
Speaker 8: you know you've got a shelf life and they do

1232
01:03:34,427 --> 01:03:36,667
Speaker 8: more work on them. And there has to be I

1233
01:03:36,667 --> 01:03:39,547
Speaker 8: think a degree of self responsibility.

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01:03:39,427 --> 01:03:41,907
Speaker 2: High degree. London into them a high degree of that,

1235
01:03:41,987 --> 01:03:44,387
Speaker 2: And I totally agree Maris, But I also think there

1236
01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:47,307
Speaker 2: needs to be and there is, I know, some assistance

1237
01:03:47,387 --> 01:03:52,227
Speaker 2: for people who operate in a slightly different bubble than

1238
01:03:52,227 --> 01:03:53,747
Speaker 2: you and I do. Yeah, I mean that's the thing.

1239
01:03:53,947 --> 01:03:56,027
Speaker 2: Sports people are know different from you and I. They've

1240
01:03:56,027 --> 01:03:58,947
Speaker 2: got Kiwi saver, you know, they've they've got the opportunity

1241
01:03:58,987 --> 01:04:01,747
Speaker 2: to you know to put aside a percentage of their

1242
01:04:01,987 --> 01:04:04,667
Speaker 2: salary every month for Kiwi Saver. They've got access to

1243
01:04:04,787 --> 01:04:05,707
Speaker 2: financial advice.

1244
01:04:06,547 --> 01:04:06,747
Speaker 10: You know.

1245
01:04:06,747 --> 01:04:09,187
Speaker 2: They're just like you and I, who who have I

1246
01:04:09,187 --> 01:04:12,827
Speaker 2: guess taken responsibility for our lives. I don't know about you,

1247
01:04:12,827 --> 01:04:16,587
Speaker 2: but I've never had to worry about a job that

1248
01:04:16,667 --> 01:04:19,867
Speaker 2: will come to an end regardless like a professional sportsperson will.

1249
01:04:20,707 --> 01:04:25,827
Speaker 2: But there is a high degree of personal accountability here.

1250
01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:27,947
Speaker 2: But as I said to sim Bateman, when you're a

1251
01:04:27,987 --> 01:04:30,227
Speaker 2: young twenty one twenty two year old, you know, all

1252
01:04:30,267 --> 01:04:32,987
Speaker 2: you're thinking about is your next game, and retirement feels

1253
01:04:33,067 --> 01:04:35,627
Speaker 2: like a lifetime away.

1254
01:04:35,947 --> 01:04:38,187
Speaker 8: But saying that, if you look at some of those

1255
01:04:38,267 --> 01:04:40,947
Speaker 8: kids that have gone on every professional you know, in

1256
01:04:41,107 --> 01:04:46,347
Speaker 8: the guys like Britain Hall, he started spending excessively early

1257
01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:48,027
Speaker 8: on in his career. Then he realized, hey, there's a

1258
01:04:48,107 --> 01:04:50,587
Speaker 8: you know, so then he started planning ahead in using

1259
01:04:50,587 --> 01:04:53,227
Speaker 8: his brain and getting a hidden so he won't fall

1260
01:04:53,267 --> 01:04:55,067
Speaker 8: into that category. And there were a lot of kids,

1261
01:04:55,067 --> 01:04:57,707
Speaker 8: and I think around the rugby scene and professional athletes,

1262
01:04:57,867 --> 01:04:59,787
Speaker 8: they should be actually looking at trades and all the

1263
01:04:59,867 --> 01:05:02,347
Speaker 8: rest of it and looking at where we end after,

1264
01:05:02,547 --> 01:05:05,507
Speaker 8: you know, because it's kind of be a combination of both.

1265
01:05:05,507 --> 01:05:07,827
Speaker 8: And I think there's a degree you've you know, if

1266
01:05:07,827 --> 01:05:09,547
Speaker 8: you're praying for the Warriors, or you're playing for the

1267
01:05:09,547 --> 01:05:11,667
Speaker 8: All Raps, or you're playing for the Blues or whatever,

1268
01:05:12,067 --> 01:05:14,987
Speaker 8: he's also got to be a degree within those organizations

1269
01:05:15,027 --> 01:05:16,947
Speaker 8: or whether it be football for the Phoenix or anything.

1270
01:05:17,787 --> 01:05:19,987
Speaker 8: You know, when you get kids in academies and now

1271
01:05:20,227 --> 01:05:22,427
Speaker 8: it needs to start there giving them that thing. And

1272
01:05:22,707 --> 01:05:25,067
Speaker 8: I think that everyone said, oh I'm going to make

1273
01:05:25,107 --> 01:05:27,107
Speaker 8: I make the Aill Raps. I've made it a life.

1274
01:05:27,107 --> 01:05:29,267
Speaker 8: But you know, only reality is right nine a year,

1275
01:05:29,307 --> 01:05:31,147
Speaker 8: earning three hundred and fifty four a grade a year

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Speaker 8: for a limited period of time. I have a thirty

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Speaker 8: two year old son who is born in his own

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Speaker 8: went to Australia when he's fifteen. He made the Australian

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Speaker 8: Under twenties. They wanted them to do it for Australia

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Speaker 8: and he said, I don't want to do that. I said,

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Speaker 8: what are you going to do? He said, I'll go

1282
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Speaker 8: to university and forget about rugby. And I said why

1283
01:05:46,947 --> 01:05:49,507
Speaker 8: is that? He said, Dad, I in aighty to one

1284
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Speaker 8: hundred grad a year, I'll ruin a body with a

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Speaker 8: tom I'm thirty, you know, I'll be a cripple. He

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Speaker 8: played number eight. He went and got a degree and

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Speaker 8: he was earning four times more than what he earned

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Speaker 8: it rugby. He's now thirty two and he does there

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Speaker 8: any health issues with his body? And he said, you know,

1290
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Speaker 8: he said, I just look. He looked at it in

1291
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Speaker 8: a very honest and pragmatic way and he said what's

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Speaker 8: best for me, and that's what he did, and he

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Speaker 8: will go the opportunity of playing for Australia and playing

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Speaker 8: internessial rubby and all that in So, you know, and

1295
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Speaker 8: I think that kids need to look at things slightly

1296
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Speaker 8: differently in sports, not being all an end all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like a very sensible young man, your son Morris.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he gets it from his dad. Good to

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Speaker 2: chat to you, mate, Are you're sorll right? Because not

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Speaker 2: every young person looks at it that way, in a pragmatic,

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Speaker 2: cool headed fashion, because the attraction of being a professional

1302
01:06:39,787 --> 01:06:43,787
Speaker 2: sports person is so big, you know, the glitz and

1303
01:06:43,827 --> 01:06:46,427
Speaker 2: the glamour of it is so attractive to people, and

1304
01:06:46,547 --> 01:06:49,467
Speaker 2: rightly so, as Tim Bateman said, you know, he'd hate

1305
01:06:49,507 --> 01:06:51,667
Speaker 2: to think that because somebody had a bit of talent,

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01:06:51,707 --> 01:06:54,467
Speaker 2: they would be you know, they'd shy away from doing

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01:06:54,507 --> 01:06:56,547
Speaker 2: it just because they might be successful and then have

1308
01:06:56,587 --> 01:07:01,107
Speaker 2: to transition out. But yeah, it's very, very hard to

1309
01:07:01,107 --> 01:07:03,587
Speaker 2: look at it in a cool headed way when you're

1310
01:07:03,667 --> 01:07:06,507
Speaker 2: right there in the eye of the storm thinking, you know,

1311
01:07:06,587 --> 01:07:10,307
Speaker 2: when when a professional career in sport is close enough

1312
01:07:10,307 --> 01:07:15,947
Speaker 2: for you to touch attainable, you know, as it must

1313
01:07:15,947 --> 01:07:19,987
Speaker 2: be so hard to resist, so hard to look ahead,

1314
01:07:20,587 --> 01:07:24,067
Speaker 2: and even if you do, you clearly every sports person

1315
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Speaker 2: must except that that's going to happen to them and

1316
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Speaker 2: factor it into their decision making. Hello, Sherman, how do

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01:07:31,547 --> 01:07:33,027
Speaker 2: you doing very good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, because I guess it comes down to the decision

1320
01:07:37,787 --> 01:07:40,667
Speaker 10: that the individual, like that guy that was just on

1321
01:07:40,827 --> 01:07:45,827
Speaker 10: the sun, made decisions based on a ford of his life,

1322
01:07:46,907 --> 01:07:49,387
Speaker 10: depending on which halfway he wins.

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Speaker 5: And I guess young.

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Speaker 10: People end up with professional sports and they can only

1325
01:07:55,387 --> 01:07:58,187
Speaker 10: see the glory days that this is going to go

1326
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Speaker 10: for God forever, but beyond what they can see about

1327
01:08:02,147 --> 01:08:09,227
Speaker 10: their future and sadly the advice or lack of advice

1328
01:08:09,347 --> 01:08:12,947
Speaker 10: they might get this game is is not your forever.

1329
01:08:13,587 --> 01:08:17,027
Speaker 10: So to be fart if you'll be looking for a

1330
01:08:17,147 --> 01:08:21,467
Speaker 10: new game, a new moment, opportunity based on what you've

1331
01:08:21,507 --> 01:08:25,907
Speaker 10: reread table which I get you'll do that you want

1332
01:08:26,347 --> 01:08:29,867
Speaker 10: of skills to the table around us, a blunt of stuff.

1333
01:08:30,867 --> 01:08:33,787
Speaker 10: Sadly though, it doesn't win you a job if you're

1334
01:08:33,827 --> 01:08:38,987
Speaker 10: out there looking, no not you not the skill set,

1335
01:08:39,067 --> 01:08:43,907
Speaker 10: a skill set or a more skill job application.

1336
01:08:43,507 --> 01:08:44,787
Speaker 16: But they're not going to win you the job.

1337
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Speaker 2: So I guess in other ways though, Sherman, maybe the

1338
01:08:49,347 --> 01:08:51,467
Speaker 2: fact that you're a name, that you're a known person

1339
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:53,987
Speaker 2: might play into your favorite might be balanced off by

1340
01:08:54,027 --> 01:08:56,267
Speaker 2: the fact that that if it was just you or me,

1341
01:08:57,467 --> 01:09:01,587
Speaker 2: you know, we would have like less chance of a

1342
01:09:01,707 --> 01:09:04,827
Speaker 2: job against someone who had a high profile that they

1343
01:09:04,987 --> 01:09:06,587
Speaker 2: gained it. And even if it didn't really have a

1344
01:09:06,667 --> 01:09:09,627
Speaker 2: direct correlation to the role, I think there's a little

1345
01:09:09,627 --> 01:09:12,347
Speaker 2: bit that shows around or you know, we're going to

1346
01:09:12,387 --> 01:09:14,147
Speaker 2: have such and such working for us, if you know.

1347
01:09:14,147 --> 01:09:17,467
Speaker 10: What I mean, Well that that might appeal to the

1348
01:09:17,707 --> 01:09:20,387
Speaker 10: managing director. I've got a couple of businesses on my own,

1349
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:25,067
Speaker 10: but ultimately it will still come down to the suitability

1350
01:09:25,347 --> 01:09:29,987
Speaker 10: of to fulfill the role because the novelty, the novelty

1351
01:09:30,107 --> 01:09:33,867
Speaker 10: will wear are when you realize that this guy's a

1352
01:09:34,067 --> 01:09:36,827
Speaker 10: going acoustic quite of money to get them up to

1353
01:09:36,907 --> 01:09:41,267
Speaker 10: speed where he's productive in the business. Yeah, so you know,

1354
01:09:41,387 --> 01:09:43,547
Speaker 10: there's all those things, but I think the important thing

1355
01:09:43,707 --> 01:09:46,787
Speaker 10: is there needs to be some advice and some sort

1356
01:09:46,827 --> 01:09:50,787
Speaker 10: of plan when they take these young guys off and say, hey, well,

1357
01:09:50,907 --> 01:09:53,707
Speaker 10: you're only really going to be bringing for ten fenty years.

1358
01:09:53,987 --> 01:09:56,987
Speaker 10: What is your future? What can we set up for

1359
01:09:57,147 --> 01:10:01,267
Speaker 10: you as a fund that you can then take beyond

1360
01:10:01,427 --> 01:10:05,107
Speaker 10: rugby and buy a business or enter a business, and

1361
01:10:05,867 --> 01:10:08,427
Speaker 10: and put the plan and place for them and take Hey,

1362
01:10:08,547 --> 01:10:11,987
Speaker 10: this isn't optional. This is part of the deal that

1363
01:10:12,147 --> 01:10:15,227
Speaker 10: comes with this position. So we want you to have

1364
01:10:15,587 --> 01:10:20,107
Speaker 10: a future beyond kicking the ball or you know, waking

1365
01:10:20,147 --> 01:10:23,147
Speaker 10: a tennis ball or whatever. Because we realize that it's

1366
01:10:23,187 --> 01:10:25,427
Speaker 10: thirty five, your game's probably over.

1367
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I know that happens. I know, sorry, Sem,

1368
01:10:31,987 --> 01:10:32,707
Speaker 2: I know that happens.

1369
01:10:32,787 --> 01:10:33,107
Speaker 9: I know that.

1370
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that happens in side professional sporting organizations.

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01:10:37,147 --> 01:10:39,587
Speaker 2: I think it's called PD Personal developments, and they have

1372
01:10:40,187 --> 01:10:42,027
Speaker 2: you know, they have a number of hours dedicated each

1373
01:10:42,067 --> 01:10:45,707
Speaker 2: week to exactly what you've outlined there, making almost a

1374
01:10:45,827 --> 01:10:49,147
Speaker 2: compulsory for these young men and women to think about

1375
01:10:49,267 --> 01:10:51,067
Speaker 2: what their life will look like beyond the age of

1376
01:10:51,107 --> 01:10:53,387
Speaker 2: And we're using thirty five as our arbitrary age here,

1377
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Speaker 2: and I think that's fair enough. But it's up I

1378
01:10:55,187 --> 01:10:57,507
Speaker 2: guess it's up to them to take in as much

1379
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Speaker 2: as they want to, whether they start planning for you know,

1380
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Speaker 2: whether they do some some tertiary education, whether they get

1381
01:11:05,547 --> 01:11:07,787
Speaker 2: themselves a qualify cation, all that sort of thing. That's

1382
01:11:07,907 --> 01:11:10,467
Speaker 2: entirely up to the individual, isn't it. You know, the

1383
01:11:11,387 --> 01:11:12,387
Speaker 2: what do they say? You can, you know, you can

1384
01:11:12,467 --> 01:11:13,867
Speaker 2: lead a horse to water, but you know it's up

1385
01:11:13,907 --> 01:11:14,987
Speaker 2: to them whether they drink it or not.

1386
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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely absolutely. And you know, I've seen some all

1387
01:11:19,747 --> 01:11:23,627
Speaker 12: blanks by some businesses to Slenthly and christ each year,

1388
01:11:23,707 --> 01:11:28,107
Speaker 12: and that ahold miserably because they just slack the skills

1389
01:11:28,187 --> 01:11:32,267
Speaker 12: and understanding of what they've been bought into thinking that

1390
01:11:32,387 --> 01:11:34,667
Speaker 12: it was the future. They can just roll and they

1391
01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:37,147
Speaker 12: were actually cubs. They can roll into the part and

1392
01:11:37,267 --> 01:11:41,827
Speaker 12: enjoy beers with your mate. Well, illo, Sunshine, when you're

1393
01:11:42,067 --> 01:11:44,547
Speaker 12: when you're the owner of the business, the luxury of

1394
01:11:44,707 --> 01:11:47,787
Speaker 12: enjoying beers with your mate might happen after the pub closers.

1395
01:11:47,827 --> 01:11:50,747
Speaker 12: But during that time a few week, your asshole keep

1396
01:11:50,827 --> 01:11:51,307
Speaker 12: their business.

1397
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hundred per a hundred percent good stuff, great thoughts,

1398
01:11:57,227 --> 01:12:00,587
Speaker 2: great thoughts, and obviously from an experience as a business

1399
01:12:00,627 --> 01:12:03,107
Speaker 2: owner as well, really appreciate you calling in with your thoughts. Mate.

1400
01:12:03,227 --> 01:12:04,947
Speaker 2: And yet that's that happens a lot, doesn't it. That

1401
01:12:05,067 --> 01:12:07,667
Speaker 2: used to happen a lot more that professional sports people

1402
01:12:07,707 --> 01:12:10,067
Speaker 2: just went into hospitality. You know a name, Oh, we're

1403
01:12:10,067 --> 01:12:11,547
Speaker 2: going to go and drink at x y ZX pub.

1404
01:12:12,147 --> 01:12:14,107
Speaker 2: You think the name itself will be enough. But as

1405
01:12:14,147 --> 01:12:15,627
Speaker 2: Shermy says, you know, there's a heck of a lot

1406
01:12:15,627 --> 01:12:17,267
Speaker 2: of work that goes on behind the scenes, and you

1407
01:12:17,307 --> 01:12:21,187
Speaker 2: can't just drink the profits. More than one in hospitality

1408
01:12:21,227 --> 01:12:24,187
Speaker 2: business has gone out of business because because you know,

1409
01:12:24,307 --> 01:12:28,307
Speaker 2: the owner and his or her mates just drink the profits. Anyway,

1410
01:12:28,827 --> 01:12:32,587
Speaker 2: interesting topic and one will revisit again in the future.

1411
01:12:32,667 --> 01:12:34,907
Speaker 2: I'm sure. Nineteen away from two we'll take a break.

1412
01:12:34,907 --> 01:12:36,467
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll update you from the cricket

1413
01:12:36,467 --> 01:12:38,747
Speaker 2: which is just getting back underway in Hamilton and James

1414
01:12:38,907 --> 01:12:41,267
Speaker 2: mcconey in this regular Sunday slot.

1415
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Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside call eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Guvneromes New Zealand's

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Speaker 1: most trusted home builder News Dogs NV.

1418
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Speaker 2: One forty four. It's a roundom at this time on

1419
01:12:54,107 --> 01:12:56,667
Speaker 2: a Sunday that we catch up with James mcconey from

1420
01:12:56,787 --> 01:12:59,587
Speaker 2: the alternative commentary collective Crag Goes Wild and various other

1421
01:12:59,627 --> 01:13:01,587
Speaker 2: bits and pieces. I think you're actually working for the

1422
01:13:01,627 --> 01:13:04,387
Speaker 2: ac C today, are you? But you've taken time out

1423
01:13:04,427 --> 01:13:07,587
Speaker 2: of that schedule to join us. Yeah, I've escaped the ACC.

1424
01:13:07,827 --> 01:13:10,987
Speaker 17: I come to see you, piney and looking forward to

1425
01:13:11,667 --> 01:13:15,267
Speaker 17: a great afternoon's cricket with Matt Henry So far looking

1426
01:13:15,307 --> 01:13:15,747
Speaker 17: the goods?

1427
01:13:16,147 --> 01:13:20,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he just hasn't he just become this spearhead?

1428
01:13:20,267 --> 01:13:20,427
Speaker 18: You know?

1429
01:13:20,587 --> 01:13:23,107
Speaker 2: You think about the days of Sowdy and Bolton Wagner

1430
01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:25,507
Speaker 2: which are almost at an end, and Matt Henry had

1431
01:13:25,507 --> 01:13:28,547
Speaker 2: to be patient, hasn't he? But man, he's well two

1432
01:13:28,587 --> 01:13:30,747
Speaker 2: for twenty nine so far in listenings. He's just our

1433
01:13:30,867 --> 01:13:33,987
Speaker 2: he's our leading seam bowling light now he is.

1434
01:13:34,147 --> 01:13:36,067
Speaker 17: And in fact, just before lunch I would have thought, oh,

1435
01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:38,947
Speaker 17: maybe give Will O'Rourke an over or two, But I

1436
01:13:39,027 --> 01:13:43,027
Speaker 17: guess you know this is Tim's test and that's fine,

1437
01:13:43,107 --> 01:13:45,987
Speaker 17: but I just think it's looking like there's a chance

1438
01:13:46,067 --> 01:13:48,587
Speaker 17: to strike while the iron's hot. But we were talking

1439
01:13:48,707 --> 01:13:51,587
Speaker 17: last week Piney, you know what needs to happen, and

1440
01:13:52,027 --> 01:13:54,307
Speaker 17: I think they've listened to us because we were talking

1441
01:13:54,347 --> 01:13:59,347
Speaker 17: about will young Mitch Santner. They've come in and they

1442
01:13:59,427 --> 01:14:01,707
Speaker 17: did a job with the bat, did pretty well. So

1443
01:14:02,547 --> 01:14:04,507
Speaker 17: now it's up to I wonder when Mitch will get

1444
01:14:04,547 --> 01:14:06,267
Speaker 17: chucked the ball on his home pitch as well.

1445
01:14:06,547 --> 01:14:09,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that'll happen this afternoon, particularly if

1446
01:14:09,267 --> 01:14:11,187
Speaker 2: the wickets start to dry up a little bit. You

1447
01:14:11,267 --> 01:14:13,107
Speaker 2: get the feeling that Mitchell Santon will get the ball

1448
01:14:13,667 --> 01:14:16,827
Speaker 2: in his hand. Hey, bit of a few topics to

1449
01:14:16,867 --> 01:14:18,147
Speaker 2: talk about. I wanted to get your view on the

1450
01:14:19,627 --> 01:14:22,147
Speaker 2: on the A League shortly, but can we start with rugby.

1451
01:14:22,347 --> 01:14:26,227
Speaker 2: Had the delight of chatting to Wallace Satiti on the

1452
01:14:26,267 --> 01:14:28,307
Speaker 2: show yesterday after he won All Blacks Player of the

1453
01:14:28,427 --> 01:14:34,027
Speaker 2: Year Hoskins STUTU Super Rugby Player of the Year and again,

1454
01:14:34,267 --> 01:14:36,427
Speaker 2: you know, we can revisit the topic of how the

1455
01:14:36,507 --> 01:14:39,547
Speaker 2: Super Rugby Player of the Year can be overlooked for

1456
01:14:39,587 --> 01:14:41,267
Speaker 2: the All Blacks exactly.

1457
01:14:41,387 --> 01:14:44,787
Speaker 17: I mean I think Wallace Cetizi has been exceptional. It

1458
01:14:44,907 --> 01:14:47,627
Speaker 17: had to be him, it was his award, made every

1459
01:14:47,707 --> 01:14:51,227
Speaker 17: single poster winner, and also was given that freedom. So

1460
01:14:51,427 --> 01:14:55,507
Speaker 17: I also feel that if Hoskins Stutu had played in

1461
01:14:55,547 --> 01:14:57,627
Speaker 17: the All Blacks, he might have done something similar. He

1462
01:14:57,747 --> 01:15:00,027
Speaker 17: might have been given that roving commission that Wallace had

1463
01:15:00,667 --> 01:15:04,347
Speaker 17: and just excelled as well. And I personally I think

1464
01:15:04,387 --> 01:15:06,067
Speaker 17: these room for both of them in the All Blacks

1465
01:15:06,107 --> 01:15:09,027
Speaker 17: and it's kind of still strange having someone who was

1466
01:15:09,107 --> 01:15:11,947
Speaker 17: the super rugby player of the year on the outer,

1467
01:15:12,187 --> 01:15:16,187
Speaker 17: but hey, look it's recognition. I think Hoskins stitut who

1468
01:15:16,267 --> 01:15:19,067
Speaker 17: still wants to leave. I think as people are talking

1469
01:15:19,187 --> 01:15:24,027
Speaker 17: to n Z Rugby and initially we're rebuffed, but he'll

1470
01:15:24,027 --> 01:15:27,387
Speaker 17: play another season for the Blues. I think he really

1471
01:15:27,427 --> 01:15:31,387
Speaker 17: wants to win another title for vern Cotter and is

1472
01:15:31,427 --> 01:15:33,987
Speaker 17: a you know, they've got a great of team chemistry there.

1473
01:15:34,427 --> 01:15:36,867
Speaker 17: But then after that the offers are on the table

1474
01:15:37,627 --> 01:15:40,507
Speaker 17: and all roads according to England, I think for Hoskins

1475
01:15:41,067 --> 01:15:42,987
Speaker 17: if he can get out of that contract.

1476
01:15:43,907 --> 01:15:48,027
Speaker 2: Now, you turned breaking news journalist during the week on

1477
01:15:49,147 --> 01:15:52,587
Speaker 2: X formerly Twitter when you dropped a rugby bombshell letting

1478
01:15:52,667 --> 01:15:55,507
Speaker 2: us all that Shawn Stevenson is leaving the Chiefs to

1479
01:15:55,627 --> 01:15:56,387
Speaker 2: play in Japan.

1480
01:15:56,947 --> 01:15:59,707
Speaker 17: Yeah, apparently prematurely. I have been told off for that tweet.

1481
01:15:59,747 --> 01:16:01,467
Speaker 17: I mean, you're never too old to get told off,

1482
01:16:01,507 --> 01:16:05,427
Speaker 17: pony No. But they are in talks and that is

1483
01:16:05,827 --> 01:16:08,827
Speaker 17: Liam Wee, the Welsh fallback. It was at Kubota he

1484
01:16:08,947 --> 01:16:11,107
Speaker 17: had to leave, so there was a big gap with

1485
01:16:11,227 --> 01:16:15,507
Speaker 17: a massive salary attached in Japan and Seawan Stevenson. I

1486
01:16:15,587 --> 01:16:18,467
Speaker 17: mean there have been stories of him stiffing around NRL,

1487
01:16:19,147 --> 01:16:22,467
Speaker 17: the Warriors, the Roosters, but this one here is a

1488
01:16:22,547 --> 01:16:25,147
Speaker 17: big money deal. I think it's going to go ahead.

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01:16:25,667 --> 01:16:28,547
Speaker 17: Sean Stevenson will go up to Japan. I think he's

1490
01:16:28,627 --> 01:16:31,627
Speaker 17: kissed as all blacks hopes goodbye. I mean the writing

1491
01:16:31,747 --> 01:16:34,267
Speaker 17: was on the wall, I think when Schaefi Hackey was

1492
01:16:34,347 --> 01:16:39,067
Speaker 17: called into the wider training group for the Abs. So look,

1493
01:16:39,267 --> 01:16:42,907
Speaker 17: I think you want these players to obviously play in

1494
01:16:42,987 --> 01:16:45,267
Speaker 17: New Zealand because it makes a competition so much better.

1495
01:16:45,347 --> 01:16:49,307
Speaker 17: He is electric and excitement machine. But you just go well,

1496
01:16:49,987 --> 01:16:52,667
Speaker 17: to be honest, you know, how can you say no

1497
01:16:52,787 --> 01:16:55,467
Speaker 17: to that money if there's a way to make it happen.

1498
01:16:55,667 --> 01:16:58,227
Speaker 17: I say, fair enough. If you go, there's always talent

1499
01:16:58,307 --> 01:16:58,747
Speaker 17: coming through.

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Speaker 2: This is such an interesting case study, isn't it, Because

1501
01:17:02,387 --> 01:17:05,747
Speaker 2: it was after the twenty twenty three Super Rugby season

1502
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:09,587
Speaker 2: when Stevenson was probably the standout player in the competition,

1503
01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:12,307
Speaker 2: and it would it just seems so obvious to pick

1504
01:17:12,387 --> 01:17:13,747
Speaker 2: him for the All Blacks and he got he got

1505
01:17:13,787 --> 01:17:15,707
Speaker 2: the one Test and he down to Dunedin. Is that right?

1506
01:17:15,867 --> 01:17:18,587
Speaker 17: That's right, played one Test in a World Cup year

1507
01:17:18,627 --> 01:17:21,147
Speaker 17: which he would have been feeling pretty bullish about, but

1508
01:17:21,867 --> 01:17:25,387
Speaker 17: missed out on the squad and a bit like Hoskins, really,

1509
01:17:25,507 --> 01:17:28,547
Speaker 17: you know, there was just, let's face it, probably the

1510
01:17:29,067 --> 01:17:31,507
Speaker 17: two best Super Rugby players over the past two seasons

1511
01:17:31,587 --> 01:17:34,027
Speaker 17: just can't get a looking at their next step up.

1512
01:17:34,027 --> 01:17:35,467
Speaker 17: And I think it makes a big difference to how

1513
01:17:35,467 --> 01:17:39,147
Speaker 17: you're feeling about your path or your progression really in

1514
01:17:39,587 --> 01:17:42,147
Speaker 17: the sport. And right now it's probably time as a

1515
01:17:42,227 --> 01:17:44,587
Speaker 17: twenty eight year old fullback to go and make some money.

1516
01:17:45,147 --> 01:17:47,187
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, We'll keep an eye on that, will keep

1517
01:17:47,187 --> 01:17:49,107
Speaker 2: an eye on your Twitter account for the most to

1518
01:17:49,187 --> 01:17:54,147
Speaker 2: dates breaking news if you aren't indeed still allowed to tweet. Body, Yeah,

1519
01:17:55,107 --> 01:17:56,027
Speaker 2: make these decisions.

1520
01:17:56,347 --> 01:17:59,067
Speaker 17: I've got a shot Colin. Now that's been given to me.

1521
01:17:59,227 --> 01:18:04,387
Speaker 17: So normally my guideline for tweeting is don't tweet anything

1522
01:18:04,507 --> 01:18:06,387
Speaker 17: or any joke that you couldn't tell your grandmother. I

1523
01:18:06,427 --> 01:18:08,867
Speaker 17: thought that was a pretty good guideline, but now I've

1524
01:18:08,947 --> 01:18:11,547
Speaker 17: got some new ones. So yeah, the shot collar is

1525
01:18:11,587 --> 01:18:12,587
Speaker 17: on all right.

1526
01:18:12,667 --> 01:18:16,467
Speaker 2: Excellent. Other matters around the A League, the derby last

1527
01:18:16,507 --> 01:18:19,067
Speaker 2: week it continued just simmer, didn't it. The A League

1528
01:18:19,107 --> 01:18:22,027
Speaker 2: Derby with the coach's war of words. I think the

1529
01:18:22,067 --> 01:18:25,227
Speaker 2: players kind of moved on quite quickly, Jim Caloer Taliana

1530
01:18:25,267 --> 01:18:27,627
Speaker 2: and Steve Coriic. It continued to sort of, I guess,

1531
01:18:27,747 --> 01:18:29,467
Speaker 2: go at each other a little bit in the days

1532
01:18:29,507 --> 01:18:29,987
Speaker 2: that followed.

1533
01:18:30,427 --> 01:18:33,587
Speaker 17: Oh absolutely, this is exactly what that sport needs. So

1534
01:18:34,027 --> 01:18:37,387
Speaker 17: we were there for the twenty six thousand game, the

1535
01:18:37,507 --> 01:18:40,827
Speaker 17: derby game, Piney and then Poor I'll talk about falling

1536
01:18:40,867 --> 01:18:46,147
Speaker 17: off a cliff. The Wellington Phoenix hosted MacArthur yesterday and

1537
01:18:46,307 --> 01:18:47,507
Speaker 17: it was seven thousand.

1538
01:18:47,227 --> 01:18:49,027
Speaker 2: I think at the captain yep.

1539
01:18:49,507 --> 01:18:52,907
Speaker 17: So this is where the issue, I think for all

1540
01:18:53,227 --> 01:18:55,827
Speaker 17: New Zealand sports really is how do you keep that interest?

1541
01:18:55,867 --> 01:18:58,787
Speaker 17: How do you get people through the gates. There's a

1542
01:18:58,827 --> 01:19:00,947
Speaker 17: lot of work to be done on the marketing side,

1543
01:19:00,987 --> 01:19:04,067
Speaker 17: on the game day experience. And now we watch with

1544
01:19:04,187 --> 01:19:07,067
Speaker 17: interest because I think the battle is not just on

1545
01:19:07,227 --> 01:19:11,147
Speaker 17: the field. I think off the field merchandise. The Aukland

1546
01:19:11,187 --> 01:19:14,667
Speaker 17: NEFC have sold twenty thousand shirts. The Warriors I think

1547
01:19:14,787 --> 01:19:18,547
Speaker 17: sold thirty nine thousand last season jerseys, so they're sort

1548
01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:21,347
Speaker 17: of like that's their goal to get up to past

1549
01:19:21,387 --> 01:19:25,747
Speaker 17: thirty nine thousand, and I'm sure the Wellington Phoenix will

1550
01:19:25,787 --> 01:19:27,667
Speaker 17: be acutely aware of the fact that they need to

1551
01:19:27,787 --> 01:19:29,227
Speaker 17: keep up in that race as well.

1552
01:19:29,787 --> 01:19:32,427
Speaker 2: Have to and bumps in seats. They have to, James,

1553
01:19:32,547 --> 01:19:33,747
Speaker 2: they have to lift their game.

1554
01:19:33,987 --> 01:19:34,227
Speaker 7: They do.

1555
01:19:34,707 --> 01:19:38,467
Speaker 2: They have to. It's it's not negotiable. Now, You're so right.

1556
01:19:38,547 --> 01:19:41,307
Speaker 2: The difference between what we saw last weekend and yes,

1557
01:19:41,307 --> 01:19:43,387
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't a derby in Wellington yesterday, but

1558
01:19:44,547 --> 01:19:46,707
Speaker 2: the difference is stark. They have to lift their off

1559
01:19:46,707 --> 01:19:47,787
Speaker 2: field game the nixt they do.

1560
01:19:48,547 --> 01:19:50,667
Speaker 17: And the thing is on the field. The Knicks are

1561
01:19:50,707 --> 01:19:53,787
Speaker 17: looking okay, but still a loss yesterday, a loss to

1562
01:19:53,827 --> 01:19:56,387
Speaker 17: Auckland the f C that's sliding down the table. To

1563
01:19:56,507 --> 01:19:59,707
Speaker 17: be honest, if there was if both our New Zealand

1564
01:19:59,747 --> 01:20:02,307
Speaker 17: teams make the playoffs, and I hope they do. I

1565
01:20:02,387 --> 01:20:06,267
Speaker 17: actually think that the Phoenix are just as well as

1566
01:20:06,707 --> 01:20:10,667
Speaker 17: to do really well to win it, because imagine a

1567
01:20:10,747 --> 01:20:14,987
Speaker 17: firt Marco Rojas and obviously Costa Barbarusis and Alex Rufer

1568
01:20:15,267 --> 01:20:17,507
Speaker 17: just getting and she gave the new Japanese player. So

1569
01:20:17,867 --> 01:20:20,187
Speaker 17: you can't feel down in the dumps about the results

1570
01:20:20,347 --> 01:20:25,027
Speaker 17: just yet. Phoenix fans, it just needs to somehow get

1571
01:20:25,107 --> 01:20:27,747
Speaker 17: that alchemy that that chief he found last year with

1572
01:20:27,827 --> 01:20:28,147
Speaker 17: the team.

1573
01:20:28,547 --> 01:20:30,987
Speaker 2: Indeed, hey, quick word on Kaitlyn Clark. She's won the

1574
01:20:31,147 --> 01:20:33,067
Speaker 2: Time magazine Athlete of the Year.

1575
01:20:33,907 --> 01:20:37,347
Speaker 17: Yes, Caitlyn Clark, the basketballer who all eyes were on

1576
01:20:37,467 --> 01:20:39,587
Speaker 17: her when she was at Iowa. She's twenty two now,

1577
01:20:39,907 --> 01:20:42,627
Speaker 17: played her first season in the WNBA, was named Rookie

1578
01:20:42,667 --> 01:20:45,587
Speaker 17: of the Year, All NBA First Team of the Year.

1579
01:20:46,067 --> 01:20:50,307
Speaker 17: She finished with an average of nineteen points and eight assists,

1580
01:20:50,787 --> 01:20:52,867
Speaker 17: and now she's Time Athlete of the Year. And the

1581
01:20:52,987 --> 01:20:56,587
Speaker 17: criticism the Caitlyn Clark haters are everywhere. They're coming in.

1582
01:20:56,627 --> 01:20:59,227
Speaker 17: They're coming in from the league itself, which I think

1583
01:20:59,347 --> 01:21:03,627
Speaker 17: is just shocking. Really, You've actually got to just appreciate

1584
01:21:04,187 --> 01:21:07,347
Speaker 17: sometimes there is such a thing as buzz and look

1585
01:21:07,387 --> 01:21:10,187
Speaker 17: at Reagun, she's probably athlete of the year, right, you know,

1586
01:21:10,787 --> 01:21:15,747
Speaker 17: But in this case, well she won the Olympics and

1587
01:21:16,227 --> 01:21:18,387
Speaker 17: she got dead last. So I mean, in this case,

1588
01:21:18,427 --> 01:21:21,547
Speaker 17: we're talking about someone who is outstanding. Yes, she's at

1589
01:21:21,587 --> 01:21:24,227
Speaker 17: the start of her career. But I remember when there

1590
01:21:24,267 --> 01:21:26,587
Speaker 17: was a young Indian guy who came here who just

1591
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:30,387
Speaker 17: made his debut age sixteen, Sashin ten Dolka, and I

1592
01:21:30,547 --> 01:21:33,347
Speaker 17: got to interview him. He had two bodyguards with him

1593
01:21:33,347 --> 01:21:36,507
Speaker 17: actually at the Devon Hotel in New Plymouth. One was

1594
01:21:36,627 --> 01:21:38,907
Speaker 17: Mohammed az Radin and the other was Capal dev So

1595
01:21:39,387 --> 01:21:41,667
Speaker 17: they wouldn't let him ask a question answer a question

1596
01:21:42,187 --> 01:21:45,387
Speaker 17: without sort of vetting at first. But the buzz around

1597
01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:48,187
Speaker 17: him was similar. Sometimes he wasn't the best in the

1598
01:21:48,227 --> 01:21:51,227
Speaker 17: world at that point, but everyone was talking about this kid,

1599
01:21:51,627 --> 01:21:54,627
Speaker 17: and I think that sometimes happens. Not it's been dragged

1600
01:21:54,667 --> 01:22:00,067
Speaker 17: into a race based sort of argument and debate, and

1601
01:22:00,107 --> 01:22:02,827
Speaker 17: I don't think that's necessarily a factor. I think she

1602
01:22:02,987 --> 01:22:07,547
Speaker 17: just kepture the imagination of basketba fans around the world,

1603
01:22:08,227 --> 01:22:11,027
Speaker 17: and people need this a little layoff because I think

1604
01:22:11,067 --> 01:22:13,987
Speaker 17: it's this is the last thing you need, really when

1605
01:22:14,107 --> 01:22:16,707
Speaker 17: someone is doing something. I think that's really positive for

1606
01:22:16,787 --> 01:22:17,147
Speaker 17: the sport.

1607
01:22:17,707 --> 01:22:19,947
Speaker 2: Yep, the buzz is real great to chat as always.

1608
01:22:20,027 --> 01:22:22,667
Speaker 2: James Sali's st it again next Sunday. Cheers, Poney, have

1609
01:22:22,787 --> 01:22:24,347
Speaker 2: a good one mate, you have a good one too.

1610
01:22:24,387 --> 01:22:26,427
Speaker 2: James McCartney part of our Sundays here on News Talks.

1611
01:22:26,427 --> 01:22:27,867
Speaker 2: He'd be News Talks here be three and a half

1612
01:22:27,907 --> 01:22:29,987
Speaker 2: away from two on Weekend Sport. The final hour of

1613
01:22:30,027 --> 01:22:32,467
Speaker 2: our show after two kicks off with Auckland f C

1614
01:22:32,587 --> 01:22:36,147
Speaker 2: midfielder Jake Brimmer. Six from six Auckland FC? Can they

1615
01:22:36,187 --> 01:22:39,267
Speaker 2: make it seven from seven tonight? Melbourne City are their opponent,

1616
01:22:39,747 --> 01:22:41,507
Speaker 2: so we'll talk to Jake Brimmer ahead of that, we'll

1617
01:22:41,507 --> 01:22:44,987
Speaker 2: wrap iron Man seventy point three in Toeport and also

1618
01:22:45,147 --> 01:22:46,667
Speaker 2: keep an eye on the cricket at Seddon Park, a

1619
01:22:46,827 --> 01:22:51,307
Speaker 2: final visit to Andrew Alderson before three. The Only Place four.

1620
01:22:51,747 --> 01:22:57,067
Speaker 1: The big names, the big issues, the big controversies and

1621
01:22:57,667 --> 01:23:01,507
Speaker 1: the big conversations. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason

1622
01:23:01,587 --> 01:23:04,947
Speaker 1: Lyin on your home of Sport News Talks.

1623
01:23:04,987 --> 01:23:05,507
Speaker 8: Hed been.

1624
01:23:07,027 --> 01:23:09,387
Speaker 2: Hi there seven past two. This is Weekend Sport for

1625
01:23:09,427 --> 01:23:12,867
Speaker 2: another hour and then Tim Beveridge is in the chair

1626
01:23:13,587 --> 01:23:17,147
Speaker 2: for the weekend collective. We'll keep eyes on Hamilton for

1627
01:23:17,307 --> 01:23:19,227
Speaker 2: you over the next hour or so, as I'm sure

1628
01:23:19,267 --> 01:23:22,987
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge will two after three and we may very

1629
01:23:23,067 --> 01:23:26,787
Speaker 2: shortly have news of a wicket there. We'll just confirm

1630
01:23:26,907 --> 01:23:30,987
Speaker 2: that and check that everything is above board. We'll bring

1631
01:23:31,067 --> 01:23:32,107
Speaker 2: you that wicket shortly.

1632
01:23:32,787 --> 01:23:33,987
Speaker 12: So it's.

1633
01:23:35,507 --> 01:23:37,987
Speaker 2: Been a pretty good day so far for New Zealand

1634
01:23:38,067 --> 01:23:41,027
Speaker 2: and this one this hour Jake Brimmers on the show

1635
01:23:41,147 --> 01:23:43,427
Speaker 2: out of Auckland f C. They're in Melbourne tonight. They

1636
01:23:43,547 --> 01:23:47,027
Speaker 2: take on Melbourne City. I'd say their toughest assignment yet

1637
01:23:47,547 --> 01:23:49,587
Speaker 2: in the A League mental though they have faced Wellington

1638
01:23:49,587 --> 01:23:52,507
Speaker 2: twice and those were big games. But Melbourne City are

1639
01:23:52,507 --> 01:23:54,507
Speaker 2: a good team, very good team away from home Auckland

1640
01:23:54,627 --> 01:23:58,427
Speaker 2: FC for just the second time. So Jake Brimmer on that.

1641
01:23:59,107 --> 01:24:02,547
Speaker 2: We'll also wrap what's happened over the weekend in Topoor.

1642
01:24:02,867 --> 01:24:09,387
Speaker 2: Massive events obviously the Iron Men's eventy point three. Cameron Harper,

1643
01:24:09,547 --> 01:24:13,347
Speaker 2: one of the commentators down there in Topaul up there

1644
01:24:13,387 --> 01:24:16,067
Speaker 2: depending on where you are, is going to join us

1645
01:24:16,107 --> 01:24:18,787
Speaker 2: on that. And there was a rather big surf life

1646
01:24:18,827 --> 01:24:23,147
Speaker 2: saving event in Mount Monganui yesterday. The race one surf

1647
01:24:23,307 --> 01:24:28,387
Speaker 2: Craft Mount Monster. It's one of the most prestigious surf

1648
01:24:28,467 --> 01:24:32,427
Speaker 2: life saving endurance races in New Zealand. And well, we've

1649
01:24:32,467 --> 01:24:36,587
Speaker 2: got the defending champions both winning. So the winners from

1650
01:24:36,627 --> 01:24:39,547
Speaker 2: last year both won yesterday. Jaden Murphy the men and

1651
01:24:39,747 --> 01:24:41,907
Speaker 2: Kate McCarty the women. We'll chat to both of those

1652
01:24:41,947 --> 01:24:45,267
Speaker 2: two back to back winners this out. Also checking with

1653
01:24:45,387 --> 01:24:48,867
Speaker 2: Andrew Ordison who was at Seddon Park. Obviously with the

1654
01:24:48,987 --> 01:24:51,627
Speaker 2: latest on the cricket. You can join us whenever you're like, oh,

1655
01:24:51,667 --> 01:24:55,027
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is our number nine two

1656
01:24:55,107 --> 01:24:57,907
Speaker 2: nine to two on text and emails into Jason at

1657
01:24:57,947 --> 01:25:00,307
Speaker 2: Newstalk SITB dot co dot MZ just before we go

1658
01:25:00,507 --> 01:25:02,827
Speaker 2: to In case you missed it, though, this has just

1659
01:25:02,947 --> 01:25:07,467
Speaker 2: happened in Hamilton as a full delivery. The only's taken

1660
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:10,107
Speaker 2: there by Phillips are the cats.

1661
01:25:12,467 --> 01:25:16,067
Speaker 19: Had a sort of backward point or widest gully position,

1662
01:25:16,547 --> 01:25:20,027
Speaker 19: was a lofted shot, didn't look entirely in control of it.

1663
01:25:20,147 --> 01:25:23,587
Speaker 2: Bethel and a nice catch from Phillips in New Zealand

1664
01:25:23,667 --> 01:25:26,427
Speaker 2: get their third wicket. They do seventy seven for three

1665
01:25:26,667 --> 01:25:29,627
Speaker 2: England with Jacob Bethel at caught by Glenn Phillips and

1666
01:25:29,667 --> 01:25:32,067
Speaker 2: the gully of the bowling of Willow Raucus first wicket

1667
01:25:32,627 --> 01:25:35,427
Speaker 2: seventy seven for three. New Zealand earlier bowled out for

1668
01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:38,987
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty seven, so a handy two hundred

1669
01:25:39,027 --> 01:25:41,787
Speaker 2: and seventy run lead at the moment with Harry Brooke

1670
01:25:42,147 --> 01:25:45,307
Speaker 2: and Joe Root at the crease. But as we always

1671
01:25:45,387 --> 01:25:48,587
Speaker 2: do it around about this time on Saturday and Sunday afternoon,

1672
01:25:48,867 --> 01:25:50,307
Speaker 2: it is time to get you up to date with

1673
01:25:50,387 --> 01:25:52,867
Speaker 2: the things that may have escaped your attention over the

1674
01:25:52,947 --> 01:25:57,307
Speaker 2: last little while. It's our in case your misted feature,

1675
01:25:57,867 --> 01:26:00,587
Speaker 2: bringing you across the sport that's happened over the last

1676
01:26:00,627 --> 01:26:03,227
Speaker 2: twenty four hours or so, or some of it. Anyway.

1677
01:26:03,907 --> 01:26:07,507
Speaker 2: Liverpool made use of their get out of jail free

1678
01:26:07,587 --> 01:26:09,707
Speaker 2: card in the Premier League against Fulham overnight.

1679
01:26:09,987 --> 01:26:10,547
Speaker 8: It shot to.

1680
01:26:10,907 --> 01:26:19,507
Speaker 20: Testing turning shade, turning the game a q Liverpool goal

1681
01:26:20,507 --> 01:26:22,507
Speaker 20: and Diugo Shutter comes up with.

1682
01:26:22,547 --> 01:26:25,667
Speaker 2: The Goods in their hour of leed, squeezing in a

1683
01:26:25,707 --> 01:26:28,067
Speaker 2: lad equalizer to escape with a point after going down

1684
01:26:28,107 --> 01:26:30,627
Speaker 2: to ten men too to Liverpool and Fulham and for

1685
01:26:30,747 --> 01:26:34,587
Speaker 2: Nottingham Forest a rare win that didn't include Chris Wood

1686
01:26:34,627 --> 01:26:45,827
Speaker 2: getting on the score sheet, Anderson turned on Anthony Alanga.

1687
01:26:47,267 --> 01:26:52,187
Speaker 20: On a day where Nuno's substitutions have apparently.

1688
01:26:51,787 --> 01:26:55,707
Speaker 2: Turned the game for Forrest. Two one winners over Aston Villa,

1689
01:26:55,827 --> 01:27:00,107
Speaker 2: Nottingham Forest are into the top four in the Premier League.

1690
01:27:00,587 --> 01:27:03,387
Speaker 2: Close enough home. The Wellington Phoenix losing back to back

1691
01:27:03,507 --> 01:27:06,827
Speaker 2: matches for the first time in thirty nine game seel

1692
01:27:06,907 --> 01:27:07,467
Speaker 2: on goal.

1693
01:27:08,307 --> 01:27:12,587
Speaker 20: Ucklish and Beckon and then it goes in teen posick.

1694
01:27:13,107 --> 01:27:16,587
Speaker 2: Here's this blast golfer MacArthur and it's a goal that

1695
01:27:16,747 --> 01:27:19,347
Speaker 2: puts the Balls into a two to one lead with

1696
01:27:19,587 --> 01:27:23,027
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes remaining. Here are two to one, last to MacArthur,

1697
01:27:23,227 --> 01:27:26,587
Speaker 2: seeing the Phoenix down to sixth on the A League ladder,

1698
01:27:27,227 --> 01:27:29,987
Speaker 2: and the New Zealand Breakers continue to slide as well.

1699
01:27:30,267 --> 01:27:33,547
Speaker 2: Another last last night, a big one to Adelaide and.

1700
01:27:33,667 --> 01:27:37,027
Speaker 19: We regain the final shots and that's a nice way

1701
01:27:37,067 --> 01:27:43,227
Speaker 19: to finish. It's going to be another big seventeen point

1702
01:27:43,267 --> 01:27:46,667
Speaker 19: wind of the Adelaide. Thirty six is a dominant fourth

1703
01:27:46,787 --> 01:27:48,267
Speaker 19: quarter led by.

1704
01:27:48,347 --> 01:27:51,307
Speaker 2: Dynamic two hour with Davis and Harold. Then they get

1705
01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:52,307
Speaker 2: their season.

1706
01:27:52,067 --> 01:27:55,187
Speaker 8: Rolling, breaking down the Hail Marys.

1707
01:27:54,947 --> 01:28:01,467
Speaker 1: And the epic fields Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News Talk's.

1708
01:28:00,987 --> 01:28:04,507
Speaker 2: Envy twelve past two. Very shortly we'll hear from Jake

1709
01:28:04,587 --> 01:28:07,907
Speaker 2: Brimmer out of the Melbourne Well the Melbourne based Auckland

1710
01:28:08,027 --> 01:28:10,627
Speaker 2: f C camp as they prepare to take on Melbourne

1711
01:28:10,627 --> 01:28:13,787
Speaker 2: City tonight. Auckland FC. But we were just in Hamilton.

1712
01:28:13,867 --> 01:28:17,387
Speaker 2: Let's get back there, oh Rooke, pretty fine up in

1713
01:28:19,587 --> 01:28:25,947
Speaker 2: Harry Brop first ball is way bigger side edge and

1714
01:28:26,707 --> 01:28:29,227
Speaker 2: alas you's ever get a bit of luck when it

1715
01:28:29,307 --> 01:28:33,387
Speaker 2: comes to Harry Brook Well, Yeah, Harry brook out first ball,

1716
01:28:33,547 --> 01:28:36,987
Speaker 2: So will O'Rourke with the wickets of Bethel and Brooke

1717
01:28:37,107 --> 01:28:41,947
Speaker 2: in successive deliveries. Seventy seven for four. Now England, so

1718
01:28:42,307 --> 01:28:44,987
Speaker 2: this is looking more and more like New Zealand's day.

1719
01:28:45,067 --> 01:28:47,987
Speaker 2: But yes, we know with England you can never relax

1720
01:28:48,107 --> 01:28:50,707
Speaker 2: even for a second because they have the ability to

1721
01:28:50,747 --> 01:28:53,427
Speaker 2: take games away from you. Ollipopes come out to join

1722
01:28:53,707 --> 01:28:57,787
Speaker 2: Joe Root seventy seven for four, England trailing by two

1723
01:28:57,947 --> 01:29:02,667
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy runs. Auckland f C put their perfect

1724
01:29:02,747 --> 01:29:05,427
Speaker 2: start to a league life on the line again this evening.

1725
01:29:05,547 --> 01:29:09,387
Speaker 2: They play fourth placed Melbourne City at Amy Park seven o'clock.

1726
01:29:09,427 --> 01:29:12,867
Speaker 2: New Zealand time kickoff, looking to win a seventh straight game.

1727
01:29:13,147 --> 01:29:15,547
Speaker 2: Auckland f C midfielder Jake Brimmer as with us. Jake,

1728
01:29:15,587 --> 01:29:17,347
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on the afternoon of the game.

1729
01:29:17,867 --> 01:29:20,747
Speaker 2: Does this feel like the biggest challenge of the season

1730
01:29:20,867 --> 01:29:23,707
Speaker 2: so far, traveling over to take on Melbourne City at

1731
01:29:23,747 --> 01:29:24,267
Speaker 2: Amy Park?

1732
01:29:24,867 --> 01:29:25,387
Speaker 18: Yeah, of course.

1733
01:29:25,467 --> 01:29:27,427
Speaker 21: Look, we know what Melwyn City are like.

1734
01:29:27,507 --> 01:29:29,987
Speaker 18: They're a good footballing team and you know tonight it's

1735
01:29:29,987 --> 01:29:31,987
Speaker 18: going to be a battle, and you know we're prepared.

1736
01:29:32,027 --> 01:29:34,867
Speaker 18: We've done everything during the week to prepare for this game.

1737
01:29:34,947 --> 01:29:36,347
Speaker 18: Now we just need to go out and execute that

1738
01:29:36,427 --> 01:29:38,267
Speaker 18: plan and hopefully come away with three points.

1739
01:29:38,387 --> 01:29:40,827
Speaker 2: You've had the last four seasons, of course at Melbourne Victory.

1740
01:29:41,187 --> 01:29:43,987
Speaker 2: How much did you enjoy the derby's against Melbourne City

1741
01:29:44,267 --> 01:29:45,107
Speaker 2: during your time there?

1742
01:29:45,827 --> 01:29:46,707
Speaker 21: I absolutely loved it.

1743
01:29:47,787 --> 01:29:49,187
Speaker 18: As a football you want to play in derby, you

1744
01:29:49,187 --> 01:29:50,707
Speaker 18: want to play the biggest games of the year, and

1745
01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:53,227
Speaker 18: you know, I know this is not a Derby for me,

1746
01:29:53,427 --> 01:29:55,227
Speaker 18: but it's a little bit extra. You know, I love

1747
01:29:55,267 --> 01:29:58,067
Speaker 18: playing against Melwen City and again, I just hope that

1748
01:29:58,267 --> 01:30:00,067
Speaker 18: we put everything that we've done all week into plan

1749
01:30:00,187 --> 01:30:02,347
Speaker 18: and get away with the three points tonight.

1750
01:30:02,827 --> 01:30:04,587
Speaker 2: Just looking back a week Jake, how much did you

1751
01:30:04,747 --> 01:30:07,907
Speaker 2: enjoy the win in the second New Zealand Derby last weekend?

1752
01:30:08,747 --> 01:30:11,547
Speaker 18: Yeah, it was amazing. I can't speak highly enough of it.

1753
01:30:12,507 --> 01:30:14,307
Speaker 18: But not only that, not even the derbies, the two

1754
01:30:14,347 --> 01:30:17,347
Speaker 18: derbies we've had this year. You know, we've played six games,

1755
01:30:17,387 --> 01:30:19,227
Speaker 18: we won all six games, and you know, for us

1756
01:30:19,267 --> 01:30:23,067
Speaker 18: it's about continuing that that run and the performances to

1757
01:30:23,187 --> 01:30:24,027
Speaker 18: come with it as well.

1758
01:30:24,987 --> 01:30:27,507
Speaker 2: You lost Belgian midfield of Louis Vistrata quite early in

1759
01:30:27,587 --> 01:30:30,387
Speaker 2: the game. He's been big for you, hasn't a How

1760
01:30:30,467 --> 01:30:33,907
Speaker 2: pleased were you with how the team adjusted quickly to

1761
01:30:34,027 --> 01:30:35,427
Speaker 2: losing him unexpectedly.

1762
01:30:36,027 --> 01:30:38,347
Speaker 18: I think that shows how good we are as a team,

1763
01:30:38,427 --> 01:30:40,187
Speaker 18: to be honest with you, in the versatility we have

1764
01:30:40,747 --> 01:30:42,547
Speaker 18: all over the park, like you say, cam House and

1765
01:30:42,627 --> 01:30:46,787
Speaker 18: came in and did it an absolute brilliant job obviously

1766
01:30:46,907 --> 01:30:49,227
Speaker 18: during the week, but we also know that Louis is

1767
01:30:49,267 --> 01:30:51,427
Speaker 18: a big miss to the team, and you know we've

1768
01:30:51,467 --> 01:30:53,227
Speaker 18: got players that are ready to step.

1769
01:30:53,027 --> 01:30:55,787
Speaker 21: In at at any time of the game. So it

1770
01:30:55,947 --> 01:30:57,747
Speaker 21: just shows the credit and the versatility we have in

1771
01:30:57,827 --> 01:30:58,147
Speaker 21: this team.

1772
01:30:58,267 --> 01:30:59,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like there's a sort of next man

1773
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:02,707
Speaker 2: up mentality. I think of the previous week, no Hiroki Sarki,

1774
01:31:02,867 --> 01:31:04,787
Speaker 2: big loss, but Kallin elliott I thought did a good

1775
01:31:04,827 --> 01:31:05,507
Speaker 2: job in his place.

1776
01:31:06,107 --> 01:31:07,307
Speaker 21: Yeah, I know he did. Collens.

1777
01:31:07,347 --> 01:31:09,507
Speaker 18: Collen's a great footballer and he stood up to the

1778
01:31:09,587 --> 01:31:11,867
Speaker 18: challenge and did just as well as Roki did in

1779
01:31:12,267 --> 01:31:14,227
Speaker 18: And again I can't speak highly enough of this team.

1780
01:31:14,307 --> 01:31:16,987
Speaker 18: And you know, again this week we might we will

1781
01:31:17,027 --> 01:31:19,787
Speaker 18: have challenges that come and go, and we've got players

1782
01:31:19,827 --> 01:31:22,387
Speaker 18: that are ready, so we just need to do our

1783
01:31:22,467 --> 01:31:24,667
Speaker 18: job and rely on the players that come in.

1784
01:31:25,147 --> 01:31:29,867
Speaker 2: The long long streak without conceding was finally ended despite

1785
01:31:29,907 --> 01:31:32,387
Speaker 2: the win. Was there any minor disappointment that you couldn't

1786
01:31:32,427 --> 01:31:34,587
Speaker 2: go six straight games without conceding?

1787
01:31:35,147 --> 01:31:36,947
Speaker 18: Of course, but that just shows how good we are

1788
01:31:36,987 --> 01:31:39,467
Speaker 18: as a football club, is that we're disappointed about conceding

1789
01:31:39,507 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 18: a goal. And to be honest with you, as said,

1790
01:31:42,147 --> 01:31:43,547
Speaker 18: as it was that we did concede. I think it

1791
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:47,267
Speaker 18: was good because we're probably not used to conceding. And

1792
01:31:47,467 --> 01:31:47,907
Speaker 18: you know, the.

1793
01:31:49,427 --> 01:31:50,267
Speaker 21: All the defenders, you.

1794
01:31:50,267 --> 01:31:53,747
Speaker 18: Know, they're all doing absolutely brilliant and I can't speak

1795
01:31:53,787 --> 01:31:54,747
Speaker 18: early enough of them as well.

1796
01:31:54,867 --> 01:31:57,507
Speaker 2: Of course, you're I mean you sort of have made

1797
01:31:57,547 --> 01:31:59,867
Speaker 2: your name in a min midfield role more I guess,

1798
01:31:59,907 --> 01:32:01,587
Speaker 2: more of an attacking role over time. But do you

1799
01:32:01,627 --> 01:32:03,827
Speaker 2: still take pride as well in your in your part

1800
01:32:04,187 --> 01:32:07,707
Speaker 2: to play in such a good defensive start to the season.

1801
01:32:08,627 --> 01:32:09,747
Speaker 21: Yeah, of course, definitely.

1802
01:32:09,827 --> 01:32:12,507
Speaker 18: I admire them at the back, but also you know,

1803
01:32:12,547 --> 01:32:14,227
Speaker 18: I look at everyone in the team and the work

1804
01:32:14,267 --> 01:32:16,187
Speaker 18: they do. You know, we've got players that are clocking

1805
01:32:16,267 --> 01:32:18,707
Speaker 18: up twelve and a half kilometers as wingers and as

1806
01:32:18,747 --> 01:32:20,787
Speaker 18: strikers and myself as well.

1807
01:32:20,907 --> 01:32:23,227
Speaker 21: So you think everyone talks about.

1808
01:32:22,987 --> 01:32:24,987
Speaker 18: The defenders and stuff like that, but we defend from

1809
01:32:24,987 --> 01:32:27,187
Speaker 18: the front, and you know, if they managed to beat

1810
01:32:27,267 --> 01:32:29,187
Speaker 18: us up front, you look at all the opportunities we've had,

1811
01:32:29,507 --> 01:32:32,027
Speaker 18: you know, in the attacking third, from winning the ball

1812
01:32:32,107 --> 01:32:34,627
Speaker 18: back higher up the pitch. But then you also look

1813
01:32:34,667 --> 01:32:37,627
Speaker 18: when they when they break that press and the defenders

1814
01:32:37,627 --> 01:32:40,547
Speaker 18: stand up and they have that do not die attitude,

1815
01:32:40,547 --> 01:32:42,627
Speaker 18: you know what I mean, They put their body on

1816
01:32:42,667 --> 01:32:44,827
Speaker 18: the line for everything, and it's just yeah, it's it's

1817
01:32:44,867 --> 01:32:46,027
Speaker 18: obviously very pleasing.

1818
01:32:45,827 --> 01:32:49,107
Speaker 21: As someone that's a bit higher up the pitch and

1819
01:32:49,227 --> 01:32:50,107
Speaker 21: what they do at the back.

1820
01:32:50,667 --> 01:32:53,907
Speaker 2: So in the in the search for continual improvement, where

1821
01:32:53,947 --> 01:32:56,827
Speaker 2: do you think the big growth theorys are still to come.

1822
01:32:56,987 --> 01:33:01,147
Speaker 21: In the Auckland side, I'd probably say a bit more

1823
01:33:01,627 --> 01:33:02,547
Speaker 21: patient on the ball.

1824
01:33:03,187 --> 01:33:05,387
Speaker 18: I think we've got room for improvement in terms of

1825
01:33:05,467 --> 01:33:08,187
Speaker 18: moving the ball around quicker and you know, probably not

1826
01:33:08,307 --> 01:33:12,107
Speaker 18: forcing things as much. But also I think you look

1827
01:33:12,147 --> 01:33:13,987
Speaker 18: at the games and the opportunities we have. We have

1828
01:33:14,147 --> 01:33:16,987
Speaker 18: twenty odd shots a game and we're probably not executing

1829
01:33:17,027 --> 01:33:18,867
Speaker 18: that as much. So I think that's probably somewhere where

1830
01:33:19,267 --> 01:33:20,707
Speaker 18: we can get a little bit better at. But like

1831
01:33:20,787 --> 01:33:22,627
Speaker 18: you say, we're still jelling, we're still a new team

1832
01:33:23,187 --> 01:33:24,467
Speaker 18: and at the end of the day, where we're going

1833
01:33:24,507 --> 01:33:25,587
Speaker 18: to improve automatically.

1834
01:33:25,627 --> 01:33:28,627
Speaker 2: Anyway, There's been plenty of chat around this week, mainly

1835
01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:31,387
Speaker 2: involving the coaches actually that the early season draw has

1836
01:33:31,867 --> 01:33:33,067
Speaker 2: favored Auckland FC.

1837
01:33:33,267 --> 01:33:36,307
Speaker 18: Do you have a view on that, Well, you think

1838
01:33:37,067 --> 01:33:40,067
Speaker 18: the Auckland staff plan, plan the drawer, that's the that's

1839
01:33:40,107 --> 01:33:40,947
Speaker 18: the apl they do.

1840
01:33:41,067 --> 01:33:42,827
Speaker 21: All that has nothing to do with our club. Then

1841
01:33:43,467 --> 01:33:45,187
Speaker 21: you know, for some clubs it's not.

1842
01:33:45,307 --> 01:33:47,827
Speaker 18: But like the manager said in these interview the other days,

1843
01:33:47,947 --> 01:33:49,147
Speaker 18: at the end of the season, we're going to be

1844
01:33:49,187 --> 01:33:51,427
Speaker 18: playing a lot more away games, so it is what

1845
01:33:51,547 --> 01:33:51,787
Speaker 18: it is.

1846
01:33:52,707 --> 01:33:54,387
Speaker 21: It's nothing to do with us, and we just worry

1847
01:33:54,387 --> 01:33:55,227
Speaker 21: about what we have to do.

1848
01:33:55,867 --> 01:33:57,827
Speaker 2: And have you I know, I know you only focused

1849
01:33:57,827 --> 01:33:59,307
Speaker 2: on the Melbourne city, but have you thought about the

1850
01:33:59,307 --> 01:34:02,027
Speaker 2: first time you play Victory New Year's Day in Auckland.

1851
01:34:02,667 --> 01:34:04,347
Speaker 21: Yeah, I look, I take a game by game, but

1852
01:34:04,467 --> 01:34:05,827
Speaker 21: you're right, yes, I definitely have.

1853
01:34:06,667 --> 01:34:08,867
Speaker 18: Look, I've got no bad love with Victory. I love

1854
01:34:08,947 --> 01:34:11,227
Speaker 18: my own vature as the football club, but of course

1855
01:34:11,307 --> 01:34:12,907
Speaker 18: I can't. I can't wait to play them. You know,

1856
01:34:13,867 --> 01:34:16,147
Speaker 18: it's a good team and that looks very good this year,

1857
01:34:16,227 --> 01:34:18,187
Speaker 18: so let's see if they can come and be us.

1858
01:34:18,427 --> 01:34:21,907
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and tonight, any Melbourne based family or friends who'll

1859
01:34:21,907 --> 01:34:24,307
Speaker 2: get to see you in Auckland f C colors for

1860
01:34:24,387 --> 01:34:26,027
Speaker 2: the first time at Amy Park.

1861
01:34:26,307 --> 01:34:29,187
Speaker 21: Yes, definitely. I've got about thirty to forty people coming tonight.

1862
01:34:29,347 --> 01:34:32,507
Speaker 21: So look, it's brilliant, that's why, you know.

1863
01:34:32,947 --> 01:34:34,427
Speaker 18: It makes it so much easier when you have so

1864
01:34:34,507 --> 01:34:36,787
Speaker 18: many trips away and you know the three Melbourne based

1865
01:34:36,787 --> 01:34:39,587
Speaker 18: teams that were playing there throughout the year, and it's good.

1866
01:34:39,707 --> 01:34:41,467
Speaker 21: It's good to see my family and like you say,

1867
01:34:41,467 --> 01:34:41,907
Speaker 21: I'm excited.

1868
01:34:41,907 --> 01:34:42,387
Speaker 4: I for it tonight.

1869
01:34:42,627 --> 01:34:44,667
Speaker 2: Boys. Enjoy chatting Jake all the best tonight. Thanks for

1870
01:34:44,667 --> 01:34:47,147
Speaker 2: your time, mate, Thank you appreciate it mate, Thank you Jake,

1871
01:34:47,227 --> 01:34:49,707
Speaker 2: Thanks indeed all the best tonight, seven o'clock kick off

1872
01:34:49,827 --> 01:34:51,867
Speaker 2: at Amy Park. That's seven o'clock in New Zealand time.

1873
01:34:52,107 --> 01:34:54,467
Speaker 2: Auckland f C Up against Melbourne City wrapping up Round

1874
01:34:54,587 --> 01:34:58,667
Speaker 2: eight of the A League. Means yeah, Auckland FC looking

1875
01:34:58,747 --> 01:35:02,347
Speaker 2: for a seventh straight win to start their life. Incredible stuff.

1876
01:35:02,707 --> 01:35:06,947
Speaker 2: To nineteen. Will O'Rourke has not achieved the hat trick. Unfortunately,

1877
01:35:07,347 --> 01:35:10,747
Speaker 2: he got wickets off the last two balls of his

1878
01:35:10,867 --> 01:35:13,827
Speaker 2: previous over which we brought to you when he had

1879
01:35:14,067 --> 01:35:16,387
Speaker 2: Bethel caught in the gully by Glenn Phillips and then

1880
01:35:16,587 --> 01:35:20,907
Speaker 2: Harry Brooke chopping on. But it feels to me as

1881
01:35:20,947 --> 01:35:22,467
Speaker 2: though he may not have got the hat trick. But

1882
01:35:22,507 --> 01:35:25,027
Speaker 2: has he just got another wicket? I think he might have.

1883
01:35:25,147 --> 01:35:27,027
Speaker 2: We'll get you back to Sedon Park in just a moment.

1884
01:35:27,107 --> 01:35:29,387
Speaker 2: Two nineteen. Let's take a break. When we come back,

1885
01:35:29,387 --> 01:35:32,107
Speaker 2: we'll bring you that wicket and also here to Toupor

1886
01:35:32,427 --> 01:35:34,867
Speaker 2: where it's been iron Man across the weekend. We'll wrap

1887
01:35:34,947 --> 01:35:36,907
Speaker 2: that for you here on Weekend Sport.

1888
01:35:37,707 --> 01:35:41,187
Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend

1889
01:35:41,307 --> 01:35:45,187
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vane and Gg Gunner homes New Zealand's

1890
01:35:45,187 --> 01:35:47,227
Speaker 1: most trusted oh Builder News Talks.

1891
01:35:47,987 --> 01:35:50,587
Speaker 2: Two twenty two on Weekend Sport to Topor shortly but

1892
01:35:50,707 --> 01:35:52,667
Speaker 2: back to Hamilton. Could have see the acc.

1893
01:35:53,467 --> 01:35:54,267
Speaker 5: Oh this is all.

1894
01:35:56,547 --> 01:35:57,187
Speaker 10: Seems it.

1895
01:35:58,707 --> 01:36:00,467
Speaker 2: To cramped him up.

1896
01:36:01,067 --> 01:36:04,867
Speaker 19: He tried to slide him away behind point and just

1897
01:36:05,107 --> 01:36:07,427
Speaker 19: scoop it straight to Galey.

1898
01:36:07,627 --> 01:36:12,067
Speaker 2: And o'rourck on far at the moment. That is sensational, Staff,

1899
01:36:12,387 --> 01:36:16,147
Speaker 2: absolutely sensational as you heard there from Jason Hoyt and

1900
01:36:16,187 --> 01:36:19,467
Speaker 2: the acc. Joe root Out caught by will Young off

1901
01:36:19,467 --> 01:36:22,347
Speaker 2: the bowling of Willow O'Rourke for thirty two three for

1902
01:36:22,507 --> 01:36:25,507
Speaker 2: thirteen for Willow Rourke in England eighty two for five,

1903
01:36:26,107 --> 01:36:28,947
Speaker 2: still trailing by two hundred and sixty five runs, with

1904
01:36:29,067 --> 01:36:33,067
Speaker 2: Olipope joined at the wicket by his captain Ben Stokes.

1905
01:36:33,667 --> 01:36:37,587
Speaker 2: A podium finished meantime for Kiwi triathlete Hayden Wilde in

1906
01:36:37,667 --> 01:36:42,067
Speaker 2: his first iron Man World Championship event in Topor earlier today.

1907
01:36:42,387 --> 01:36:43,827
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four have been fast.

1908
01:36:43,907 --> 01:36:48,347
Speaker 22: Ironman seventy point three World champion goes to Belgian's very

1909
01:36:48,427 --> 01:36:53,067
Speaker 22: own Yellaheens in a smoking time of three hours in

1910
01:36:53,227 --> 01:36:57,027
Speaker 22: thirty two minutes. Wow, what a celebration well earned today.

1911
01:36:57,427 --> 01:36:58,787
Speaker 21: You have to give it up for this man.

1912
01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:01,227
Speaker 2: He put it out there. There's there.

1913
01:37:01,467 --> 01:37:05,147
Speaker 21: Literally, he absolutely went for it and has every reason

1914
01:37:05,187 --> 01:37:05,387
Speaker 21: to be.

1915
01:37:05,427 --> 01:37:07,587
Speaker 2: So proud, heart broken but proud.

1916
01:37:07,827 --> 01:37:11,507
Speaker 22: At twenty six the future ahead of him, that's as

1917
01:37:11,587 --> 01:37:12,867
Speaker 22: bright as the president.

1918
01:37:13,027 --> 01:37:14,067
Speaker 2: I mean, well done.

1919
01:37:14,147 --> 01:37:17,627
Speaker 22: A good fight there for Hayden whiles second place in

1920
01:37:17,747 --> 01:37:22,267
Speaker 22: three point thirty three and exhausted fully spends on the carpet.

1921
01:37:22,027 --> 01:37:25,827
Speaker 2: The Olympic silver medalist, placing second behind Belgian Yellowheens. As

1922
01:37:25,867 --> 01:37:27,907
Speaker 2: you heard there, a time of three hours, thirty three minutes,

1923
01:37:27,907 --> 01:37:30,867
Speaker 2: twenty two seconds fell on New Zealander Kyle Smith coming

1924
01:37:30,947 --> 01:37:34,827
Speaker 2: home in fourth place. Let's bring in Iron Man commentator

1925
01:37:34,947 --> 01:37:38,747
Speaker 2: Cameron Harper Camern, how close was Hayden wild to actually

1926
01:37:38,907 --> 01:37:39,947
Speaker 2: challenging for victory?

1927
01:37:41,067 --> 01:37:43,347
Speaker 7: Well, it was interesting, Pioneer, because there was. I mean,

1928
01:37:43,387 --> 01:37:44,787
Speaker 7: it was on from the start, you know, I mean,

1929
01:37:44,947 --> 01:37:46,147
Speaker 7: I don't know what you like when you put the

1930
01:37:46,427 --> 01:37:49,107
Speaker 7: tospeedos on, we'll get on the ten seed. But these

1931
01:37:49,147 --> 01:37:51,787
Speaker 7: guys are flying right from the very start. So they

1932
01:37:51,907 --> 01:37:54,067
Speaker 7: dump in the water, they go for the swim to

1933
01:37:54,147 --> 01:37:55,947
Speaker 7: start with, Just to give you a bit of an

1934
01:37:55,987 --> 01:37:58,627
Speaker 7: idea on it. These guys got through one point nine

1935
01:37:58,787 --> 01:38:01,027
Speaker 7: k's of swimming in lake poop or in a shade

1936
01:38:01,147 --> 01:38:03,627
Speaker 7: under twenty two minutes, so they were just flying. Got

1937
01:38:03,707 --> 01:38:06,587
Speaker 7: on the bike under two hours for ninety k's whereveraging

1938
01:38:06,627 --> 01:38:09,187
Speaker 7: over forty five. They got out into the run. Hayden

1939
01:38:09,187 --> 01:38:10,987
Speaker 7: had a bit of a gap and he took off

1940
01:38:11,227 --> 01:38:13,227
Speaker 7: and he was flying. He's running the first couple of

1941
01:38:13,627 --> 01:38:17,067
Speaker 7: k's about three minutes to k so she's it's pretty

1942
01:38:17,067 --> 01:38:18,907
Speaker 7: handy to go five hundred meters, isn't it?

1943
01:38:18,987 --> 01:38:21,827
Speaker 3: But Hayden was he he was caught.

1944
01:38:21,987 --> 01:38:24,627
Speaker 7: He was caught with about two k's to go and

1945
01:38:24,747 --> 01:38:27,067
Speaker 7: that was it all over to him in the World Championship.

1946
01:38:27,067 --> 01:38:27,947
Speaker 15: But he had a pretty good lead.

1947
01:38:28,307 --> 01:38:32,067
Speaker 7: But yeah, Yellowgean minister, surrealerm and win the World Championship.

1948
01:38:32,787 --> 01:38:36,027
Speaker 2: Incredible stuff. Was this expected? Did you expect Hayden whild

1949
01:38:36,067 --> 01:38:38,227
Speaker 2: to do so well as you say? He led on

1950
01:38:38,427 --> 01:38:41,307
Speaker 2: the run, only overtaken and finishes on the podium in

1951
01:38:41,387 --> 01:38:44,587
Speaker 2: second place? Was that what you expected from him pre race?

1952
01:38:45,947 --> 01:38:46,107
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1953
01:38:46,427 --> 01:38:48,587
Speaker 7: I did, I knew I thought he'd get a podium.

1954
01:38:48,627 --> 01:38:49,987
Speaker 14: I really didn't think he'd get a podium.

1955
01:38:50,027 --> 01:38:51,867
Speaker 7: That didn't know which part it would be. But you know,

1956
01:38:52,067 --> 01:38:54,227
Speaker 7: I think he was definitely one of the pre race favorites.

1957
01:38:54,467 --> 01:38:55,547
Speaker 5: Carl Smith was all.

1958
01:38:55,907 --> 01:38:57,107
Speaker 7: Going to be up there when you got kind of

1959
01:38:57,347 --> 01:39:00,067
Speaker 7: Leo Beigiere from France who rounded out their podium. But

1960
01:39:00,307 --> 01:39:02,827
Speaker 7: at a Gean's in middle distance racing has been going

1961
01:39:02,867 --> 01:39:05,467
Speaker 7: exceptionally well for a very long time, and you know,

1962
01:39:05,667 --> 01:39:07,827
Speaker 7: I think to him, we always knew he'd come at

1963
01:39:07,827 --> 01:39:11,507
Speaker 7: the end, and Hayden, unfortunately for him, blew up the weyit.

1964
01:39:11,747 --> 01:39:13,467
Speaker 7: He slowed down quite a bit in his last couple

1965
01:39:13,507 --> 01:39:16,507
Speaker 7: of k's whereas the other again the center keeps speeding

1966
01:39:16,627 --> 01:39:18,947
Speaker 7: up and in the end it was just too much

1967
01:39:18,987 --> 01:39:21,587
Speaker 7: for Hayden. But a second place is still an absolute

1968
01:39:22,227 --> 01:39:22,947
Speaker 7: legendary effort.

1969
01:39:23,027 --> 01:39:25,987
Speaker 2: Really, Oh absolutely, he'll look there's absolutely no question about that.

1970
01:39:26,067 --> 01:39:27,507
Speaker 2: I just wonder how much he would have had to

1971
01:39:28,187 --> 01:39:30,267
Speaker 2: alter his training. We're so used to seeing him, Cameron,

1972
01:39:30,267 --> 01:39:33,547
Speaker 2: aren't we. In the Olympic distances, the shorter distances, would

1973
01:39:33,587 --> 01:39:35,387
Speaker 2: he have had to do a lot different than the

1974
01:39:35,467 --> 01:39:37,747
Speaker 2: lead up to this, or would the base have been

1975
01:39:37,787 --> 01:39:38,867
Speaker 2: there already for him?

1976
01:39:39,747 --> 01:39:40,787
Speaker 3: Well, the base would have been there.

1977
01:39:40,827 --> 01:39:42,907
Speaker 7: You know, Hayden is a young guy. He did a

1978
01:39:42,947 --> 01:39:44,987
Speaker 7: lot of multi sport at the coast to coast and

1979
01:39:45,147 --> 01:39:47,387
Speaker 7: Brian Ashvill tell you all about that sometimes be to

1980
01:39:47,467 --> 01:39:50,387
Speaker 7: the coast to coast so much a couple of times.

1981
01:39:50,467 --> 01:39:52,387
Speaker 7: The young man did a lot of multi sport racing

1982
01:39:52,427 --> 01:39:54,547
Speaker 7: as a young man in propoparity. So he's had a

1983
01:39:54,707 --> 01:39:57,067
Speaker 7: huge endurance based for a long time. And he often

1984
01:39:57,107 --> 01:39:59,387
Speaker 7: says in that short distance he can't quite show off

1985
01:39:59,467 --> 01:40:02,107
Speaker 7: his bike still because he's very very good the longer

1986
01:40:02,187 --> 01:40:04,547
Speaker 7: it goes on a bike ride. So yeah, for him,

1987
01:40:04,867 --> 01:40:06,867
Speaker 7: a lot of those shorter distance go they do a

1988
01:40:06,907 --> 01:40:09,667
Speaker 7: lot of middle distance training, sort of the seventy point

1989
01:40:09,747 --> 01:40:12,747
Speaker 7: three kind of training and then really sharpen up for

1990
01:40:12,947 --> 01:40:16,067
Speaker 7: those shorter distances. So so then to transfer across to

1991
01:40:16,107 --> 01:40:18,267
Speaker 7: be able to do this middle distance racing, it's not

1992
01:40:18,427 --> 01:40:19,587
Speaker 7: that much of a stretch.

1993
01:40:19,347 --> 01:40:21,427
Speaker 2: For them, all right. And in terms of the way

1994
01:40:21,507 --> 01:40:26,347
Speaker 2: the race played out in general terms, do most triathletes,

1995
01:40:26,387 --> 01:40:28,507
Speaker 2: most iron men and women, are they able to hold

1996
01:40:28,587 --> 01:40:30,427
Speaker 2: on on the run or is the runoff in a

1997
01:40:30,467 --> 01:40:33,147
Speaker 2: place where there's quite a bit of positional change?

1998
01:40:33,987 --> 01:40:36,507
Speaker 7: Yeah, there are exactly right, fine, I mean give you

1999
01:40:36,507 --> 01:40:39,427
Speaker 7: an idea. The gentleman from the US. It was in

2000
01:40:39,587 --> 01:40:41,747
Speaker 7: the lead at the end, at the start of the swim,

2001
01:40:41,867 --> 01:40:44,507
Speaker 7: ended up placing I think about thirty second, So you know,

2002
01:40:44,867 --> 01:40:46,347
Speaker 7: the rest of the day with people go and past

2003
01:40:46,387 --> 01:40:48,507
Speaker 7: them un fortunately, But I mean the pace is so

2004
01:40:48,707 --> 01:40:52,307
Speaker 7: high in these races. Every year, these young guys are

2005
01:40:52,347 --> 01:40:54,827
Speaker 7: seem to have a revolution in the sport and they

2006
01:40:54,907 --> 01:40:56,627
Speaker 7: get quicker and quicker and quicker.

2007
01:40:56,707 --> 01:40:58,747
Speaker 14: I mean, give a bit of context.

2008
01:40:59,027 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 7: You know, seventy point three is the miles, so put

2009
01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:03,587
Speaker 7: them in the caves. But you know one point nine

2010
01:41:03,707 --> 01:41:07,027
Speaker 7: k swim, ninety k's in the bike, one on the run,

2011
01:41:07,387 --> 01:41:09,867
Speaker 7: three hours eighty two to get that all done. I mean,

2012
01:41:09,947 --> 01:41:12,427
Speaker 7: it's just haziness, really, isn't it. The pace these guys

2013
01:41:12,467 --> 01:41:12,947
Speaker 7: are going.

2014
01:41:13,627 --> 01:41:16,987
Speaker 2: It's eye watering. It's so right, m it's eye watering

2015
01:41:17,067 --> 01:41:20,667
Speaker 2: how quick they are going. So when they're looking for improvements, like,

2016
01:41:21,827 --> 01:41:23,907
Speaker 2: is there one of the three disciplines where it's where

2017
01:41:23,947 --> 01:41:26,347
Speaker 2: it's I guess I'm not going to say easier, but

2018
01:41:26,627 --> 01:41:28,827
Speaker 2: where you would look to get to make your gains.

2019
01:41:28,827 --> 01:41:31,187
Speaker 2: I feel like a ninety k bike race because of

2020
01:41:31,227 --> 01:41:33,347
Speaker 2: the longer distance or ninetyk on the bike, the longer

2021
01:41:33,387 --> 01:41:35,067
Speaker 2: distance you might be able to make your games. There,

2022
01:41:35,227 --> 01:41:36,067
Speaker 2: Is that accurate or not?

2023
01:41:36,827 --> 01:41:37,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

2024
01:41:37,707 --> 01:41:40,347
Speaker 7: I mean it's most everyday triathletes and they go out

2025
01:41:40,347 --> 01:41:41,747
Speaker 7: and have a go. That's in amounty games.

2026
01:41:41,747 --> 01:41:43,747
Speaker 5: They do make gains in that ninety k bike ride.

2027
01:41:43,987 --> 01:41:45,867
Speaker 7: But you know, I think you've got to be fit

2028
01:41:45,987 --> 01:41:47,787
Speaker 7: enough though, to be able to ride your bike and

2029
01:41:47,867 --> 01:41:49,427
Speaker 7: come off with good enough condition to be able to

2030
01:41:49,507 --> 01:41:51,427
Speaker 7: run whatever distance it is that you've got in that

2031
01:41:51,507 --> 01:41:54,187
Speaker 7: triathlon for this one and a half marathon. But just

2032
01:41:54,467 --> 01:41:56,947
Speaker 7: the pace these guys run. But just in general, I

2033
01:41:56,987 --> 01:42:00,427
Speaker 7: mean there's three thousand, eight hundred athletes from one hundred

2034
01:42:00,427 --> 01:42:03,507
Speaker 7: and nineteen countries on the course today, just in the

2035
01:42:03,587 --> 01:42:06,307
Speaker 7: men's race. A whole lot of women in the race yesterday.

2036
01:42:06,747 --> 01:42:09,307
Speaker 7: So on the race here in Topaul, three eight hundred

2037
01:42:09,307 --> 01:42:11,627
Speaker 7: people from on hundred and nineteen countries. I mean Topaul

2038
01:42:11,747 --> 01:42:14,827
Speaker 7: is absolutely heaving, flying and succeeding at the moment.

2039
01:42:15,267 --> 01:42:17,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it, love it. And yeah, Taylor nib we

2040
01:42:17,067 --> 01:42:19,267
Speaker 2: should mention her winner on the women's race yesterday. Was

2041
01:42:19,267 --> 01:42:20,107
Speaker 2: she a popular winner?

2042
01:42:20,867 --> 01:42:23,507
Speaker 7: Well, a very popular winner, and you'd be very brave

2043
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,987
Speaker 7: to you know, put five dollars against her because not

2044
01:42:27,067 --> 01:42:30,147
Speaker 7: think she would have won it. Some outstanding athletes around

2045
01:42:30,187 --> 01:42:32,867
Speaker 7: her are the likes of Cat Matthew's IMG and Simmons

2046
01:42:32,907 --> 01:42:35,827
Speaker 7: and others extratentions out of Australia as well, but some

2047
01:42:35,907 --> 01:42:39,347
Speaker 7: outstanding athletes there. But Taylor Nibb has just been dominant

2048
01:42:39,667 --> 01:42:41,747
Speaker 7: for a long time and this is a third win

2049
01:42:42,067 --> 01:42:44,427
Speaker 7: in the World Championships in a row, so you know,

2050
01:42:44,507 --> 01:42:46,867
Speaker 7: reigning defending and she got it for the third time.

2051
01:42:46,947 --> 01:42:49,427
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was expected, but at.

2052
01:42:49,307 --> 01:42:51,427
Speaker 7: The same time, you know, you learn to not expect

2053
01:42:51,467 --> 01:42:54,147
Speaker 7: the expected at times in the sport. But Taylor definitely

2054
01:42:54,187 --> 01:42:55,507
Speaker 7: delivered good.

2055
01:42:55,387 --> 01:42:57,387
Speaker 2: Stuff and just just to finish you alluded to it

2056
01:42:57,467 --> 01:43:00,147
Speaker 2: before that, the number of people who lined the course,

2057
01:43:00,507 --> 01:43:02,787
Speaker 2: I guess, particularly the run leg I think I heard

2058
01:43:02,827 --> 01:43:05,267
Speaker 2: Taylor nib say yesterday that pretty much on every ten

2059
01:43:05,387 --> 01:43:08,267
Speaker 2: meters of the run call she was getting encouragement from

2060
01:43:08,307 --> 01:43:11,667
Speaker 2: the crowds. Big numbers turning up, Cameron, Oh, incredible.

2061
01:43:12,027 --> 01:43:14,947
Speaker 7: You know, the population of Popo about twenty seven thousand

2062
01:43:14,987 --> 01:43:17,027
Speaker 7: people from what they have been told by the locals,

2063
01:43:17,347 --> 01:43:19,547
Speaker 7: and they've had almost that again turned up for the

2064
01:43:19,587 --> 01:43:22,227
Speaker 7: weekends now, No, the twenty five thousand people tuning up

2065
01:43:22,267 --> 01:43:25,387
Speaker 7: as athletic and supporters, and even just today when Hayden

2066
01:43:25,467 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 7: Wild and Yellow Geans and Leo Vizier and the Judis

2067
01:43:29,267 --> 01:43:32,747
Speaker 7: crowd for Carlsmith there was literally like two thousand people

2068
01:43:32,947 --> 01:43:35,867
Speaker 7: just standing on the waterfront just yelling their names and

2069
01:43:35,947 --> 01:43:38,027
Speaker 7: at the end the guys alike. We've never ever at

2070
01:43:38,107 --> 01:43:40,827
Speaker 7: any event ever had support like this, so it's really

2071
01:43:40,907 --> 01:43:41,347
Speaker 7: raised the bar.

2072
01:43:41,467 --> 01:43:43,027
Speaker 14: Coming to New Hyllum for the championship.

2073
01:43:43,787 --> 01:43:46,227
Speaker 2: Absolutely love it. Great to check cam. Thanks for updating

2074
01:43:46,307 --> 01:43:48,187
Speaker 2: us mate, great work over the weekend. We'll catch up

2075
01:43:48,187 --> 01:43:48,587
Speaker 2: again soon.

2076
01:43:49,427 --> 01:43:50,547
Speaker 3: Thanks Finny, all.

2077
01:43:50,507 --> 01:43:52,747
Speaker 2: The best mate chairs Camp half of their iron Man

2078
01:43:52,867 --> 01:43:55,427
Speaker 2: commentator bringing us up to date. Yeah, so Hayden Wild

2079
01:43:55,907 --> 01:43:59,947
Speaker 2: coming home second behind the one Yellow Hen's but yeah

2080
01:43:59,987 --> 01:44:03,867
Speaker 2: I saw some Forta Julia and in typical Hayden Wild fashion.

2081
01:44:04,427 --> 01:44:06,947
Speaker 2: I don't think he left anything out there when he

2082
01:44:07,067 --> 01:44:10,987
Speaker 2: crossed the line, just collapsing to the carpet. One point

2083
01:44:11,107 --> 01:44:14,747
Speaker 2: nine k swim, ninety k bike, twenty one point one

2084
01:44:14,867 --> 01:44:17,227
Speaker 2: k run, so basically a half marathon to finish, which

2085
01:44:17,307 --> 01:44:20,747
Speaker 2: is much longer than the Olympic distances that we used

2086
01:44:20,747 --> 01:44:22,987
Speaker 2: to seeing Hayden Wild competing well I remember when I

2087
01:44:23,027 --> 01:44:24,707
Speaker 2: spoke to a month or so ago in the lead

2088
01:44:24,787 --> 01:44:27,507
Speaker 2: up to this, he said, look, we are we as

2089
01:44:27,667 --> 01:44:29,427
Speaker 2: in his team. We're going to look at more of

2090
01:44:29,467 --> 01:44:31,707
Speaker 2: these longer distances over the next couple of years and

2091
01:44:31,787 --> 01:44:34,587
Speaker 2: then revert back to the Olympic stuff ahead of Los

2092
01:44:34,627 --> 01:44:38,827
Speaker 2: Angeles in nineteen and rather in twenty twenty eight. In

2093
01:44:38,947 --> 01:44:42,187
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, no further wickets that I can see

2094
01:44:42,587 --> 01:44:44,627
Speaker 2: in Hamilton, but we'll keep you up to date. I

2095
01:44:44,707 --> 01:44:47,187
Speaker 2: want to move straight to surf life saving because it

2096
01:44:47,267 --> 01:44:50,987
Speaker 2: was double domination from the defending champions yesterday at the

2097
01:44:51,027 --> 01:44:56,027
Speaker 2: prestigious Race one Surfcraft Mount Monster in Mount monganuy Last

2098
01:44:56,107 --> 01:44:59,947
Speaker 2: year's Open champions Jaden Murphy of Mount Monganouy and Kate

2099
01:45:00,147 --> 01:45:04,587
Speaker 2: McCarty of Lyle Bay and Wellington, both produced blistering performances

2100
01:45:04,667 --> 01:45:08,307
Speaker 2: to maintain their respective crowns in the country's top surf

2101
01:45:08,387 --> 01:45:11,267
Speaker 2: life saving endurance race. What they have to do a

2102
01:45:11,387 --> 01:45:15,507
Speaker 2: ten k ski paddle, a five K soft sand run,

2103
01:45:15,987 --> 01:45:18,827
Speaker 2: then a jump from the famous blowhole on Motoriki Island

2104
01:45:18,867 --> 01:45:21,227
Speaker 2: for a one and a half k ocean swim, and

2105
01:45:21,347 --> 01:45:23,067
Speaker 2: they close it out with a five and a half

2106
01:45:23,147 --> 01:45:26,747
Speaker 2: k board paddle to the finish. For Jaden Murphy, it

2107
01:45:26,907 --> 01:45:30,627
Speaker 2: extends his winning streak in this event to an incredible

2108
01:45:30,787 --> 01:45:34,267
Speaker 2: fourth Open title in a row. Jada Murphy is with us,

2109
01:45:35,747 --> 01:45:37,627
Speaker 2: You've got to give everybody else a chance.

2110
01:45:39,427 --> 01:45:42,667
Speaker 14: Ah, they definitely come in, are very competitive.

2111
01:45:42,987 --> 01:45:45,947
Speaker 2: And there you see yesterday or before the race, you

2112
01:45:46,027 --> 01:45:48,267
Speaker 2: wanted to go hard from the start of the ten

2113
01:45:48,427 --> 01:45:50,787
Speaker 2: k ski paddle. Why was that your strategy?

2114
01:45:52,147 --> 01:45:55,307
Speaker 23: Sea pedaling is my strong my strongest leg, and I

2115
01:45:55,467 --> 01:45:57,147
Speaker 23: just like getting out, getting in my own rhythm of

2116
01:45:57,147 --> 01:45:58,067
Speaker 23: my own water, and.

2117
01:45:58,107 --> 01:45:59,787
Speaker 14: I can just focus on what I need to do

2118
01:46:00,667 --> 01:46:02,667
Speaker 14: and it just helps the race flow for me personally.

2119
01:46:03,027 --> 01:46:04,467
Speaker 14: So that's always a game plan.

2120
01:46:04,827 --> 01:46:08,267
Speaker 2: Is there also seen of wanting to, I guess burn

2121
01:46:08,347 --> 01:46:10,627
Speaker 2: off your competitors early in the in the piece.

2122
01:46:11,747 --> 01:46:13,787
Speaker 14: Yeah for sure, for sure, Like it's easier to lead

2123
01:46:13,827 --> 01:46:14,307
Speaker 14: them to chase.

2124
01:46:14,387 --> 01:46:18,307
Speaker 2: So it worked well for you. You got out to

2125
01:46:18,427 --> 01:46:20,147
Speaker 2: a to a lead. Can you talk us through the

2126
01:46:20,427 --> 01:46:22,307
Speaker 2: rest of the race or talk us through the whole

2127
01:46:22,347 --> 01:46:24,387
Speaker 2: thing as you reflect upon it the day after.

2128
01:46:26,027 --> 01:46:28,507
Speaker 23: Yeah, Like I say, just a good, good, good first

2129
01:46:28,547 --> 01:46:30,707
Speaker 23: ski leg, put a couple of minutes on everyone in

2130
01:46:30,747 --> 01:46:34,707
Speaker 23: that and then ran well and then the swim being

2131
01:46:34,867 --> 01:46:37,547
Speaker 23: my probably my second strongest leg. I just really tried

2132
01:46:37,587 --> 01:46:40,107
Speaker 23: to you know, focus on that as well and try

2133
01:46:40,147 --> 01:46:41,907
Speaker 23: and drag that lead out a little bit more.

2134
01:46:41,947 --> 01:46:43,587
Speaker 14: And then I was able to kind of have a

2135
01:46:44,147 --> 01:46:46,747
Speaker 14: relatively easy last leg on the board and.

2136
01:46:46,827 --> 01:46:48,867
Speaker 23: Just get around the course and finish and not not

2137
01:46:48,947 --> 01:46:51,267
Speaker 23: get caught up with having to try and try to

2138
01:46:51,307 --> 01:46:52,867
Speaker 23: sprint anyone off at the finish line.

2139
01:46:54,227 --> 01:46:57,027
Speaker 2: And in terms of your times, where you where you're

2140
01:46:57,027 --> 01:46:59,547
Speaker 2: about where you thought you'd be, where you wanted to be.

2141
01:47:00,507 --> 01:47:03,547
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think I paced it out pretty well. The

2142
01:47:03,707 --> 01:47:05,867
Speaker 14: ski obviously, was was real good.

2143
01:47:06,467 --> 01:47:08,547
Speaker 23: My run was I was really happy with my run,

2144
01:47:10,027 --> 01:47:12,427
Speaker 23: and then yeah, after that everything starts falling into place.

2145
01:47:12,467 --> 01:47:14,747
Speaker 23: So yeah, stop before I put down.

2146
01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:17,987
Speaker 2: As you're competing in the various legs, are you aware

2147
01:47:18,067 --> 01:47:19,427
Speaker 2: of how far ahead you are?

2148
01:47:21,227 --> 01:47:24,227
Speaker 14: I asked people. My old man, he's my biggest supporter.

2149
01:47:24,347 --> 01:47:27,187
Speaker 23: He's always on the beach keeping track, so you know,

2150
01:47:27,267 --> 01:47:30,747
Speaker 23: he's saying the two minutes behind, the minute forty whatever.

2151
01:47:30,867 --> 01:47:32,387
Speaker 14: You know, they catch you need to work here to

2152
01:47:32,467 --> 01:47:32,667
Speaker 14: do this.

2153
01:47:34,187 --> 01:47:36,547
Speaker 23: So that's good because it's pretty hard to look over

2154
01:47:36,547 --> 01:47:39,827
Speaker 23: your shoulder and try and engauge how cohosts and that

2155
01:47:39,947 --> 01:47:41,667
Speaker 23: people are catching you while you're raising.

2156
01:47:42,587 --> 01:47:45,867
Speaker 2: You said before that that others are coming. You've won

2157
01:47:45,947 --> 01:47:47,947
Speaker 2: this four years in a row. But is it a

2158
01:47:48,027 --> 01:47:50,987
Speaker 2: fairly competitive feel that or was it yesterday that you

2159
01:47:51,027 --> 01:47:51,587
Speaker 2: were up against?

2160
01:47:52,307 --> 01:47:52,507
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2161
01:47:52,667 --> 01:47:56,427
Speaker 23: Super competitive, Like obviously I had a good, good start

2162
01:47:56,547 --> 01:47:58,987
Speaker 23: and got away in own water. But you know, second,

2163
01:47:59,067 --> 01:48:01,867
Speaker 23: third and fourth all within you know, thirty seconds of

2164
01:48:01,947 --> 01:48:04,707
Speaker 23: each other, and they are a couple of minutes behind me,

2165
01:48:04,827 --> 01:48:09,107
Speaker 23: So it's you know, it's definitely super competitive, and you

2166
01:48:09,187 --> 01:48:12,067
Speaker 23: know it's New Zealand's premiere and Durum time Man event,

2167
01:48:12,187 --> 01:48:13,107
Speaker 23: so everyone wants to win it.

2168
01:48:13,827 --> 01:48:17,547
Speaker 2: What sort of preparation goes into achieving success like this

2169
01:48:17,667 --> 01:48:19,947
Speaker 2: for you? What's your build up to a race like this?

2170
01:48:20,187 --> 01:48:24,827
Speaker 23: Like, so I would train every night and every morning

2171
01:48:25,027 --> 01:48:27,467
Speaker 23: Monday through to Friday. We swim an hour a half

2172
01:48:27,507 --> 01:48:29,907
Speaker 23: in the pool every morning and then we're on the

2173
01:48:29,987 --> 01:48:32,307
Speaker 23: water for hour hour and a half in the evenings

2174
01:48:32,347 --> 01:48:34,307
Speaker 23: and as well as by a few runs in there

2175
01:48:34,467 --> 01:48:38,107
Speaker 23: and Saturday quite often we'll do a full course run through,

2176
01:48:38,187 --> 01:48:40,027
Speaker 23: so out there for two two and a half hours,

2177
01:48:40,347 --> 01:48:43,467
Speaker 23: just really trying to get that knowledge of you know,

2178
01:48:43,707 --> 01:48:46,547
Speaker 23: your body as you're working for that longer period of time,

2179
01:48:47,227 --> 01:48:48,747
Speaker 23: So there's a lot of work.

2180
01:48:49,387 --> 01:48:51,507
Speaker 2: What's the what's the soft sand run?

2181
01:48:51,667 --> 01:48:51,707
Speaker 10: Like?

2182
01:48:51,787 --> 01:48:54,147
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's run on saying nose, it's difficult,

2183
01:48:54,187 --> 01:48:56,147
Speaker 2: you know, even for a couple of hundred meters five.

2184
01:48:56,067 --> 01:49:01,227
Speaker 23: K Yeah, definitely, Dranger absolutely sucks it out of your legs.

2185
01:49:02,187 --> 01:49:03,667
Speaker 23: But you know, you just get in a rhythm than

2186
01:49:04,067 --> 01:49:06,027
Speaker 23: chuck along and once you get your legs slowing, it

2187
01:49:06,427 --> 01:49:06,947
Speaker 23: not terrible.

2188
01:49:08,427 --> 01:49:10,267
Speaker 2: How did you get into this? Sounds like your old

2189
01:49:10,307 --> 01:49:12,907
Speaker 2: man's as you say, your biggest supporter? Is he the

2190
01:49:12,987 --> 01:49:13,907
Speaker 2: one who got you into this?

2191
01:49:15,107 --> 01:49:17,187
Speaker 23: I kind of originated around when we moved to the

2192
01:49:17,227 --> 01:49:19,827
Speaker 23: beach Sarla of the Mount Munkinery. My parents wanted me

2193
01:49:19,867 --> 01:49:21,427
Speaker 23: to be safe around the water, so they got me

2194
01:49:21,467 --> 01:49:23,787
Speaker 23: in a surf life saving and then it's kind of

2195
01:49:23,827 --> 01:49:24,507
Speaker 23: just growing from there.

2196
01:49:24,547 --> 01:49:26,627
Speaker 14: I love the club, love the culture, love the sports.

2197
01:49:26,747 --> 01:49:30,547
Speaker 23: So I've just you know, really really taken there, and

2198
01:49:30,627 --> 01:49:32,507
Speaker 23: I've you know, spent a lot of time doing it

2199
01:49:32,587 --> 01:49:35,947
Speaker 23: overseas as well, loved over and Assy and gone to

2200
01:49:36,027 --> 01:49:38,627
Speaker 23: Japan and Italy and stuff with the sports.

2201
01:49:38,667 --> 01:49:41,227
Speaker 14: So it's just, you know, it's me, It's part of me.

2202
01:49:41,427 --> 01:49:44,547
Speaker 2: So incredible and busy time ahead for you think Eastern

2203
01:49:44,587 --> 01:49:48,467
Speaker 2: Regional Champs, Nationals. You got a couple of races in

2204
01:49:48,507 --> 01:49:51,107
Speaker 2: Australia in March and April. What are your goals for

2205
01:49:51,147 --> 01:49:51,867
Speaker 2: the summer ahead.

2206
01:49:52,747 --> 01:49:55,427
Speaker 23: I'd love to win another National Open title for the

2207
01:49:55,507 --> 01:49:57,667
Speaker 23: iron Man event there to be. That's a massive goal

2208
01:49:58,587 --> 01:50:00,667
Speaker 23: as well as you know, really try and mix it

2209
01:50:00,707 --> 01:50:02,907
Speaker 23: over and assy because you know the boys over there,

2210
01:50:03,147 --> 01:50:05,427
Speaker 23: they fly off line, so we're really cool to go

2211
01:50:05,427 --> 01:50:08,227
Speaker 23: over there and start making and wine finals and.

2212
01:50:08,267 --> 01:50:10,307
Speaker 2: You're part of the volunteer patrol at Mount Mong going

2213
01:50:10,347 --> 01:50:13,267
Speaker 2: to be lifeguard service. While this is competitive, obviously there's

2214
01:50:13,307 --> 01:50:16,107
Speaker 2: the safety aspect as well of everybody who goes swimming

2215
01:50:16,147 --> 01:50:18,307
Speaker 2: across the summer. How much of this helps you to

2216
01:50:18,347 --> 01:50:20,027
Speaker 2: get in shape? Not that I think you need to,

2217
01:50:20,107 --> 01:50:22,107
Speaker 2: but how much does this help you get in shape

2218
01:50:22,187 --> 01:50:25,547
Speaker 2: for December January when I guess you're at your busiesst.

2219
01:50:25,947 --> 01:50:26,907
Speaker 14: Oh, it's pretty crucial.

2220
01:50:26,947 --> 01:50:28,987
Speaker 23: Hey, you know when you're when you're a lifeguard and

2221
01:50:28,987 --> 01:50:30,387
Speaker 23: you're in out of the water all the time and

2222
01:50:30,507 --> 01:50:32,547
Speaker 23: you're you're trying to look after people out there, you've

2223
01:50:32,547 --> 01:50:34,067
Speaker 23: got to be fit yourself and you've got to be

2224
01:50:34,587 --> 01:50:37,787
Speaker 23: you know, pretty pretty onto it with getting in and

2225
01:50:37,867 --> 01:50:38,747
Speaker 23: out through the surf.

2226
01:50:39,307 --> 01:50:41,707
Speaker 14: So it is, it is super crucial and you know

2227
01:50:41,827 --> 01:50:43,907
Speaker 14: it just just really makes you a better life guard.

2228
01:50:44,827 --> 01:50:47,267
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on number four. You're back for I mean

2229
01:50:47,467 --> 01:50:49,427
Speaker 2: I presume you're back to defend again next year?

2230
01:50:49,507 --> 01:50:49,707
Speaker 7: Are you?

2231
01:50:49,787 --> 01:50:51,267
Speaker 2: All things going well for number five?

2232
01:50:52,027 --> 01:50:53,827
Speaker 14: Have to on the home beach, got to go to five.

2233
01:50:54,827 --> 01:50:55,067
Speaker 9: Love it.

2234
01:50:55,147 --> 01:50:57,507
Speaker 2: Jaden, congratulations mate, all the best for the summer a head.

2235
01:50:57,507 --> 01:50:58,427
Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing out to us.

2236
01:50:59,027 --> 01:50:59,867
Speaker 14: Thank you appreciate it.

2237
01:50:59,987 --> 01:51:01,947
Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you joining us. Jaden and Jaden Murphy

2238
01:51:02,027 --> 01:51:04,947
Speaker 2: men's winner of the race one surf Craft Mount Monster.

2239
01:51:05,427 --> 01:51:07,507
Speaker 2: What a name event. Now I'm not going to be yesterday.

2240
01:51:07,587 --> 01:51:10,747
Speaker 2: Let's bring in women's champion Kate McCarty from the Lyle

2241
01:51:10,787 --> 01:51:14,427
Speaker 2: Bay Club in Wellington. Kate, congratulations to you on going

2242
01:51:14,547 --> 01:51:16,787
Speaker 2: back to back talk us through the race yesterday. Were

2243
01:51:16,827 --> 01:51:18,187
Speaker 2: you happy with how it went?

2244
01:51:19,227 --> 01:51:19,427
Speaker 22: Yeah?

2245
01:51:19,507 --> 01:51:21,827
Speaker 16: I was super happy to put out a good race

2246
01:51:21,907 --> 01:51:24,347
Speaker 16: and to have my family and friends there to support

2247
01:51:24,427 --> 01:51:26,307
Speaker 16: me and was really special to me.

2248
01:51:26,707 --> 01:51:28,667
Speaker 2: It seems to be a lot of moving parts to

2249
01:51:28,747 --> 01:51:30,987
Speaker 2: this whole thing, a lot of different different things that

2250
01:51:31,027 --> 01:51:32,987
Speaker 2: you've got to get your head around. How do you

2251
01:51:33,107 --> 01:51:36,507
Speaker 2: go about planning you know, the perfect race in a

2252
01:51:36,747 --> 01:51:39,747
Speaker 2: situation like this, I mean.

2253
01:51:39,787 --> 01:51:42,947
Speaker 16: A race is never going to be perfect. But I'm

2254
01:51:43,307 --> 01:51:45,347
Speaker 16: just trying to put together each league as best as

2255
01:51:45,387 --> 01:51:48,667
Speaker 16: I can and piece it together. I guess, working to

2256
01:51:48,747 --> 01:51:51,067
Speaker 16: my strengths as well, which is probably the run and swim,

2257
01:51:52,147 --> 01:51:54,227
Speaker 16: just to make up ground and kind of get a lead,

2258
01:51:54,347 --> 01:51:56,507
Speaker 16: and then yeah, work through as as much as they can.

2259
01:51:56,987 --> 01:51:59,107
Speaker 2: So talk us through each of the different legs. When

2260
01:51:59,387 --> 01:52:00,787
Speaker 2: did you, I mean, were you were head on the

2261
01:52:00,827 --> 01:52:02,827
Speaker 2: ski pedal for example, when did you sort of take

2262
01:52:02,907 --> 01:52:05,147
Speaker 2: the lead and think to yourself, right, I'm in a

2263
01:52:05,187 --> 01:52:06,107
Speaker 2: pretty good position here.

2264
01:52:07,627 --> 01:52:10,107
Speaker 16: I came out fourth out of the fast leg fas

2265
01:52:10,227 --> 01:52:13,427
Speaker 16: ski leg, maybe a minute or so behind, and then

2266
01:52:14,107 --> 01:52:16,067
Speaker 16: I did the run and I think I was maybe

2267
01:52:16,187 --> 01:52:18,987
Speaker 16: two or three minutes ahead, and just extended that into

2268
01:52:19,067 --> 01:52:22,187
Speaker 16: the women the board, which was yeah, which was good.

2269
01:52:22,427 --> 01:52:24,187
Speaker 2: So it was on the on the on the run

2270
01:52:24,307 --> 01:52:26,947
Speaker 2: that you that you kind of kind of asserted a

2271
01:52:27,027 --> 01:52:29,387
Speaker 2: bit of dominance. That sounds hard man running five k

2272
01:52:29,587 --> 01:52:30,347
Speaker 2: on soft sand.

2273
01:52:31,147 --> 01:52:35,787
Speaker 16: Yeah it was hard, but yeah, definitely definitely challenging, but

2274
01:52:36,467 --> 01:52:40,267
Speaker 16: they're all challenging. I guess, depending on what your strengths are.

2275
01:52:40,747 --> 01:52:43,107
Speaker 2: Now, you were only seventeen when you won it last year,

2276
01:52:43,227 --> 01:52:46,667
Speaker 2: youngest ever female winner eighteen. Now presumably did you feel

2277
01:52:46,707 --> 01:52:48,827
Speaker 2: like you had a target on your back yesterday?

2278
01:52:50,107 --> 01:52:53,107
Speaker 16: I mean, I guess, so obviously winning it last year,

2279
01:52:53,107 --> 01:52:55,707
Speaker 16: there's always going to be some pressure, but so many

2280
01:52:55,747 --> 01:53:00,427
Speaker 16: amazing women out there competing for the titles, so people

2281
01:53:00,547 --> 01:53:02,867
Speaker 16: come in and out of competing it and doing it

2282
01:53:02,947 --> 01:53:06,027
Speaker 16: each year, so it's always a different field. So yeah,

2283
01:53:06,427 --> 01:53:07,787
Speaker 16: really know who's going to be up to it on

2284
01:53:07,867 --> 01:53:08,147
Speaker 16: the day.

2285
01:53:08,787 --> 01:53:09,947
Speaker 2: How did you get into the sport?

2286
01:53:11,787 --> 01:53:14,787
Speaker 16: It was my dad when I was maybe eleven or twelve.

2287
01:53:14,907 --> 01:53:17,747
Speaker 16: He just wanted me to feel confident and comfortable in

2288
01:53:17,787 --> 01:53:20,707
Speaker 16: the water, so yeah, I did stef life stay to

2289
01:53:20,787 --> 01:53:23,387
Speaker 16: make sure I just had a success skills, I guess,

2290
01:53:23,987 --> 01:53:26,627
Speaker 16: and then fell in love with the got into the

2291
01:53:26,707 --> 01:53:30,107
Speaker 16: sports side through Lio based Life Saving Club, so I

2292
01:53:30,187 --> 01:53:33,387
Speaker 16: was really lucky to have a great group there run

2293
01:53:33,467 --> 01:53:36,507
Speaker 16: by Craig Jones. So really thankful for my family.

2294
01:53:36,587 --> 01:53:40,467
Speaker 2: And then how did you get so good so quickly?

2295
01:53:41,587 --> 01:53:49,867
Speaker 16: Oh definitely wasn't so good so differently differently started them,

2296
01:53:50,027 --> 01:53:52,947
Speaker 16: you know, not bad when I was young, but coming

2297
01:53:52,987 --> 01:53:57,027
Speaker 16: from Wellington is challenging competing against all the people slut North.

2298
01:53:58,627 --> 01:54:00,627
Speaker 16: But yeah, just so I guess time on the water,

2299
01:54:00,827 --> 01:54:03,587
Speaker 16: time practicing. I've definitely got better as I've gotten older.

2300
01:54:03,947 --> 01:54:06,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, the beaches are welling tonight, quite the same as the.

2301
01:54:10,307 --> 01:54:12,107
Speaker 16: Not quite the same differences either.

2302
01:54:12,547 --> 01:54:14,747
Speaker 2: You did, right, So have you got other events coming

2303
01:54:14,827 --> 01:54:16,667
Speaker 2: up over the over the months ahead the summer that

2304
01:54:16,747 --> 01:54:18,507
Speaker 2: you're that you're going to be competing in.

2305
01:54:19,947 --> 01:54:23,667
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm heading over to Ossie in January to do

2306
01:54:23,947 --> 01:54:28,547
Speaker 16: some events and I'm doing university over there as well,

2307
01:54:28,787 --> 01:54:33,587
Speaker 16: so just working universities some more and then I'll come

2308
01:54:33,667 --> 01:54:36,907
Speaker 16: back over here for Nationals next year. So yeah, a

2309
01:54:36,987 --> 01:54:38,507
Speaker 16: few comps which will be nice.

2310
01:54:39,347 --> 01:54:41,227
Speaker 2: It seems as our Australia has got a huge surf

2311
01:54:41,267 --> 01:54:44,907
Speaker 2: life saving culture. Are you looking forward to immersing yourself

2312
01:54:44,947 --> 01:54:45,107
Speaker 2: on that.

2313
01:54:46,227 --> 01:54:49,307
Speaker 16: Yes, definitely. I've been over there for quite a bit

2314
01:54:49,347 --> 01:54:52,227
Speaker 16: of this year as well, doing my first year university

2315
01:54:52,907 --> 01:54:55,587
Speaker 16: and training the North Cluss, so I'm very lucky for

2316
01:54:55,707 --> 01:55:00,027
Speaker 16: them as well. But yeah, it's crazy over there, so

2317
01:55:00,187 --> 01:55:04,707
Speaker 16: much competition and the level was just a level above here,

2318
01:55:04,827 --> 01:55:06,627
Speaker 16: so it's great to kind of dip my got in

2319
01:55:06,747 --> 01:55:08,627
Speaker 16: there and get a taste of what it's.

2320
01:55:08,707 --> 01:55:13,187
Speaker 2: Like and do you also volunteer over the summer months,

2321
01:55:13,307 --> 01:55:15,907
Speaker 2: just in surf life saving. You know you mentioned before

2322
01:55:15,907 --> 01:55:18,147
Speaker 2: about how it was something your dad got into to

2323
01:55:18,467 --> 01:55:19,947
Speaker 2: make sure you were safe in the water. Do you

2324
01:55:20,067 --> 01:55:22,187
Speaker 2: now volunteer to make sure others are safe?

2325
01:55:23,267 --> 01:55:25,587
Speaker 16: Yeah, So as part of our sport we have to

2326
01:55:26,227 --> 01:55:30,947
Speaker 16: volunteer twenty four hours, so everyone who competes we do

2327
01:55:31,787 --> 01:55:35,987
Speaker 16: patrol shifts in the weekend, just keeping the beaches safe,

2328
01:55:36,027 --> 01:55:39,107
Speaker 16: I guess, and volunteering which is really nice to have

2329
01:55:40,187 --> 01:55:42,747
Speaker 16: not only competing, but something to give back to as well,

2330
01:55:42,747 --> 01:55:43,707
Speaker 16: which is really special.

2331
01:55:44,187 --> 01:55:45,627
Speaker 2: So you're back next year to try and make it

2332
01:55:45,707 --> 01:55:49,627
Speaker 2: three in a row at the Mount, Yes, hopefully. Well

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Speaker 2: I can tell you I know you're still there. It's

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Speaker 2: actually a beautiful day in Wellington today. That might come

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Speaker 2: as a surprise. Really, yeah, it is actually okay here today.

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Speaker 2: I know you've probably seen some terrible days here as

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Speaker 2: I have, but it's actually your right today. So I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure when you're coming back, but hopefully hopefully at

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Speaker 2: holds A congratulations on your win yesterday, Kate, all the

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Speaker 2: best for the summer ahead. It sounds like an exciting.

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Speaker 15: Time for you cool.

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Speaker 16: Thank you so much, Jason, No, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Kate Kate McCarty there from the Lile Blake Lyle Bay

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Speaker 2: Surf Club in Wellington Women's winner of the race one

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Speaker 2: surf Craft Mount Monster in Mount Monganui yesterday, good stuff,

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Speaker 2: seventeen away from three. Just updating you on the cricket

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Speaker 2: from the Gabbard. They didn't get a lot in yesterday

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Speaker 2: because it rained for most of the day. Australia twenty

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Speaker 2: eight without loss at stumps. They've got under way I

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Speaker 2: think on time today and Australia have lost three wickets

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Speaker 2: Kawaja for twenty one, MC twenty for nine and Loba

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Speaker 2: Shane for twelve. Jaspert Boomra unsurprisingly has two of those

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Speaker 2: wickets two for twelve off eleven overs. Australia seventy seven

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Speaker 2: for three with Steve Smith unbeaten on nineteen. Travis Head

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Speaker 2: there on one not out at the moment, Australia batting first,

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Speaker 2: having been sent in yesterday by India with almost the

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Speaker 2: entire first day lost to rain seventeen to three. We'll

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Speaker 2: get you back to Seddon Park and Hamilton where New

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Speaker 2: Zealand are having a very good time of things in

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Speaker 2: the field against England and Ordison with us for the

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Speaker 2: final time this afternoon. Right after this.

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Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Paine

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner Homes new Zealand's first trusted home builder

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Speaker 1: News talks at.

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Speaker 2: Baby thirteen and a half away from three. They're just

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Speaker 2: back from drinks in the middle session on day two

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Speaker 2: of the Third Test between New Zealand and England at

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Speaker 2: Seddon Park and Hamilton. England are one hundred for five

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Speaker 2: chasing New Zealand's first innings of three four to seven.

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Speaker 2: Lunch fifty four for two Andrew Ordison drinks one hundred

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Speaker 2: for five. New Zealand continued to play pretty well in

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Speaker 2: this Test match by the looks of things.

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Speaker 13: It's an excellent performance so far. Pinting, no doubt about

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Speaker 13: it and just so just finished the drinks break there

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Speaker 13: we heard bon Jovi's Living on a Prayer play. I

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01:57:54,747 --> 01:57:57,547
Speaker 13: think all the lives of We're halfway there was the

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01:57:58,067 --> 01:58:00,147
Speaker 13: was the issue there that they all the misses they

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01:58:00,187 --> 01:58:02,307
Speaker 13: wanted to get across and that is so true. One

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Speaker 13: hundred for five and still a PEPs of forty seven

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Speaker 13: eng on playing the usual, well the P twenty style

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Speaker 13: of batting that it's worked in New Zealand's favor mainly,

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Speaker 13: I have to say, I mean Matt Harry making early

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01:58:14,227 --> 01:58:18,587
Speaker 13: two breakthroughs, getting both openers Zach Frawley and Ben Ducketts.

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Speaker 13: But since then it's been will ow' rourke and sort

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Speaker 13: of in a poetic sense, Rooks in boling from the

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Speaker 13: tims Sow the end, And if you think of the

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Speaker 13: passing of the guard, that's affectedly what secured here, because

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Speaker 13: I Rook's taken the next three wickets. He's had Bethel

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Speaker 13: loosely cutting to Phillip's backward point. He's had Harry Brook,

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Speaker 13: which was probably the key one, chopping on first ball

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01:58:40,827 --> 01:58:43,547
Speaker 13: for a golden duck, but also getting Joe rut cramped

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01:58:43,627 --> 01:58:46,227
Speaker 13: and feeding a catch to Gully in the form of

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Speaker 13: will Young. So outstanding byling display by Willow Rourke from

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Speaker 13: the tim Sow the End at Sedon Park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just on the Harry Brook one. We'll look at

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01:58:54,267 --> 01:58:56,107
Speaker 2: his z innings so far in this series one hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy one and his only bat in christ Church

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty three and fifty five at the

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Speaker 2: Basin out first ball here, So that's got to be

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Speaker 2: utterly significant for New Zealand types, doesn't it.

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Speaker 13: I think it's the key play potentially the game, Piney,

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01:59:10,187 --> 01:59:12,267
Speaker 13: with how things have gone so far with Harry Brook

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01:59:12,307 --> 01:59:14,307
Speaker 13: in any match he seems to have fayed against New Zealand.

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01:59:14,507 --> 01:59:16,907
Speaker 13: If you think of the follow on victory by New

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01:59:16,987 --> 01:59:19,987
Speaker 13: Zealand at the Basin in February twenty twenty three, that

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01:59:20,187 --> 01:59:22,187
Speaker 13: was with the Harry Brook run out without facing a

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Speaker 13: ball on that occasion. So this time he's gone touch bit,

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01:59:24,987 --> 01:59:27,667
Speaker 13: he's actually faced the delivery, but will O Orc has

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Speaker 13: got him chopping on. So I think that really is

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Speaker 13: the key for New Zealand in the innings and whether

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Speaker 13: they go from strength to strength here. I think they

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01:59:35,907 --> 01:59:38,507
Speaker 13: probably need one more to feel a bit more secure

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Speaker 13: about it. England now one hundred and four for five

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Speaker 13: forty three, if they can get either Ben Stokes or

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01:59:45,147 --> 01:59:49,187
Speaker 13: Olie Pope given their experience, are particularly Stokes, who we

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01:59:49,267 --> 01:59:52,667
Speaker 13: know loves to I guess work at his best in

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01:59:53,027 --> 01:59:56,867
Speaker 13: adversity and we've seen that before from Nashes and even

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01:59:56,907 --> 01:59:59,267
Speaker 13: the World Cup final, dare I say for twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 13: so we know his pedigery in that regard.

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Speaker 2: Tim Salley started with an over I think you mentioned

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Speaker 2: to us before that had four bound come from it,

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Speaker 2: but he bounced back to be more economical after that.

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02:00:12,067 --> 02:00:14,467
Speaker 2: Still hasn't picked up a wicket. How has Tim Soudi

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Speaker 2: bowled from his from his end in this Test match?

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Speaker 13: Well, ironically, he's not buying from his end now. He's

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Speaker 13: boiling from the other end and he's got none to

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Speaker 13: thirty two. He's into his ninth over now. So if

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Speaker 13: you think about those seven overs since the sixteen and

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Speaker 13: seven overs none to sixteen, they certainly tidy things up,

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02:00:31,547 --> 02:00:34,227
Speaker 13: got things a lot tighter. And I know maybe there

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Speaker 13: was a touch of nerves in this final match of

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Speaker 13: the opening over. Who does, But he's certainly in much

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Speaker 13: more of a rhythm now and he's complimenting what O'Rourke

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Speaker 13: is achieving at the other end with those those wickets.

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Speaker 2: And still just Henry Soudy and O'Rourke used any sign

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Speaker 2: of calisthenics from Mitchell center. I guess while things are

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02:00:51,787 --> 02:00:53,347
Speaker 2: going the way they are, he won't be needed.

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Speaker 13: Well that's right, I think any more, they'll be looking

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02:00:56,227 --> 02:00:58,107
Speaker 13: more to him, just like we're talking before about so

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Speaker 13: this year for the second innings of the game for

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02:01:00,947 --> 02:01:04,787
Speaker 13: each team, so cent in particular. Fourth things with the

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02:01:04,867 --> 02:01:07,507
Speaker 13: pitch starting to turn it touch will be the hopes

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02:01:07,547 --> 02:01:10,667
Speaker 13: we've seen in some previous games in recent years at

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02:01:10,747 --> 02:01:14,907
Speaker 13: Sedon Park, but no, I haven't seen them stretching out

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Speaker 13: at any stage as yet, but I'll be keeping an

2447
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Speaker 13: eye on.

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Speaker 10: And that's a little wild pining.

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Speaker 2: Excellent stuff. Thanks for your reports across the weekend. Order's

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Speaker 2: great to have you on site for us. Appreciate your

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02:01:23,507 --> 02:01:24,107
Speaker 2: time as always.

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Speaker 13: It's a wonderful time here. Issual crowd flooding in and

2453
02:01:28,147 --> 02:01:30,627
Speaker 13: just really appreciating it on a Sunday afternoon. I think

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Speaker 13: it's really a bit of the essence of Test cricket

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Speaker 13: right there, Pony.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Orders. If only there was more to enjoy

2457
02:01:36,147 --> 02:01:38,267
Speaker 2: across the summer, but we've been down that road. We

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Speaker 2: now it's all whiteball after this, but yeah, great to

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Speaker 2: have the Test cricket going on in Hamilton. Andrew Ordison

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Speaker 2: read him at zet Herald dot co dot nzen. He

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Speaker 2: updates the day's play with facts and opinion and incisive

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Speaker 2: writing inzherld dot co dot nzed England One hundred and

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Speaker 2: four for five. They trailed by two hundred and forty three.

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Speaker 2: Olipoper's fourteen not out Ben Stokes, the England captain there

2465
02:02:02,027 --> 02:02:05,227
Speaker 2: on five as Pope cuts away to the point boundary

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02:02:05,307 --> 02:02:08,187
Speaker 2: for another four, so he moves to eighteen one oh

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02:02:08,267 --> 02:02:10,987
Speaker 2: eight for five, England now trailing by two hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty nine eight and a half to three. On News Talks, HEB,

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Speaker 2: when it's.

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Speaker 1: Down to the line, you made a call on eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Hebb coming up five to three on News Talks, HEB

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Speaker 2: that's us four Weekend Sport for today and for another weekend.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate you taking the time to tune in across

2475
02:02:30,547 --> 02:02:32,947
Speaker 2: the afternoon to take part in the conversation or just

2476
02:02:33,027 --> 02:02:35,027
Speaker 2: to listen to the parts of the show that interested you.

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02:02:35,147 --> 02:02:36,867
Speaker 2: We know it's a busy time of the year, so

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Speaker 2: anytime you spend with us is greatly appreciated by us.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for pulling the show together

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Speaker 2: this weekend and doing extra shifts all round the place.

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Speaker 2: I think there are a few people who didn't quite

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Speaker 2: make it and after the Christmas party thankfully for you.

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Speaker 2: Andy McDonald refrained at the Christmas party. He put work

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Speaker 2: ahead of his own personal pleasure and I think that's

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Speaker 2: a rarity. I was just going to say this cover

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Speaker 2: as a surprise to everybody.

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Speaker 24: It's a massive, like a huge sacrifice. So I hope

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Speaker 24: everyone's grateful. I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful. Thanks mate,

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Speaker 24: We'll see you tomorrow. We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow

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Speaker 24: night seven through eight. Tim Beverage on the radio after

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Speaker 24: three o'clock with the weekend Collective song to take us

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Speaker 24: out Today.

2493
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Speaker 2: Tim Soudy's debut for New Zealand was in the back

2494
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Speaker 2: end of March two thousand and eight. He's currently playing

2495
02:03:29,067 --> 02:03:31,027
Speaker 2: his one hundred and seventh and final test of course.

2496
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Speaker 2: But the number one song in New Zealand when Tim

2497
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Speaker 2: Saudi made his test day boot was this one by

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Speaker 2: Kid Rock. Is it buck Head Rock or just kid Rock?

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Speaker 2: Just Kid Rock? I think rock. It's got no, the

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Speaker 2: It's got no, the how old are you man? The

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Speaker 2: Kid Rock? I love that, the Caid Rock, I love

2502
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Speaker 2: I love that artist, the Kid Rock. This is all

2503
02:03:53,867 --> 02:03:56,227
Speaker 2: summer long. Number one song when Tim Saudi made his

2504
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Speaker 2: test day, Boom said tomorrow and we were smoking, making

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Speaker 2: elect sitting with Meta not Beacon.

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Speaker 9: That's a mama singing me on Alabama. Awesome lot sing

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Speaker 9: a three home Alabama. Our stumer lot singing three ho Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Sounds out

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