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Speaker 1: Might be seeing some real change in the area of

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Speaker 1: heritage buildings and the rules around what you can and

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Speaker 1: can't do with them. So the thinking is, unless it's

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Speaker 1: truly special, you know you're old a one, we need

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Speaker 1: to loosen the rules allow those who are tied up

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Speaker 1: with derelict buildings that you know, they can do something

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Speaker 1: with them, as opposed to just leaving them derelict. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the Voluntary Heritage Group canven a filled barries with us

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Speaker 1: on this film. Morning to you, Good morning mate. This

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Speaker 1: sort of thing going to happen or is it just

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Speaker 1: an idea?

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Speaker 2: I know we're very positive about the momentum for change.

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Speaker 2: The problem is like the current system of protecting heritage

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Speaker 2: properties is broken. Councils around the country are adding thousands

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Speaker 2: of ordinary homes to lists, imposing huge costs on people

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Speaker 2: without owner's consent and without any compensation.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming Chris Bishop gets all this and that's why

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Speaker 1: he wants to do something about it.

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Speaker 2: I think he does, Mike. I think the second problem

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Speaker 2: is that properties that are on the list are being neglected,

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Speaker 2: run down and becoming derelict, and yet it's impossible, almost

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Speaker 2: impossible to remove.

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Speaker 1: The list exactly because to do something it's too expensive,

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Speaker 1: too much red tape.

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Speaker 2: Too much red tape. And you know it comes back

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day to people's property rights right,

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Speaker 2: that basic principle here in this country. And yet thousands

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Speaker 2: of ordinary homes have been singled out unfairly, property rights

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Speaker 2: removed and huge costs, and those costs are just being

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Speaker 2: denied by the Heritage New Zealand. Yet the reality is

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Speaker 2: in this strong empirical evidence of ours that once the

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Speaker 2: house is heritage listed, on average as value goes down

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Speaker 2: by between eighteen and thirty percent.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've dealt with a number of houses in my

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Speaker 1: time about it. It's nothing more than a pain in

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Speaker 1: the uno. What do you have a timeline on this?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea when this is going to happen.

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Speaker 2: We would love to see it encoded in the next

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Speaker 2: RMA reform bill, which I think has been introduced later

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Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, it's got to be.

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Speaker 1: It couldn't agree more. I hope it comes out. Your wife,

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Speaker 1: Phil appreciate it. Phil Berry, who's the volunteer Heritage group

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