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Speaker 2: Hello, are you great New Zealanders? And welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Mattin Tyler Zibby Afternoons podcast for Thursday, the twenty first

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Speaker 2: of November. Make sure you subscribe and follow and do

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Speaker 2: all those kind of things if you enjoy it. Two

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Speaker 2: hours of intense should we Arm the Cops chat? And look,

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Speaker 2: we heard a lot of stories from a lot of

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Speaker 2: different people, from a lot of different perspectives, from cops

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Speaker 2: to a very interesting guy who had had guns and rifles,

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Speaker 2: pistols and rifles and batons waved at him on his

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Speaker 2: backyard pistol enthusiasts. Yeah, few of those, Yeah no, But

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about that guy that he was drunk and

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Speaker 2: he confronted the cops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good time.

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Speaker 2: That was a good chat. It was, and he regrets that,

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine. So, yeah, fantastic chat. And then

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Speaker 2: we go deep into cruise ship because there's a cruise

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Speaker 2: company it's offering Americans a four year escape from President

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. They're going to be on a cruise ship

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Speaker 2: for four years complaining about delection results. Are cruise ships fine?

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Speaker 2: And I've had bad times on them. I tell a

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Speaker 2: shocking story about some of my behavior on cruise ships,

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Speaker 2: and we hear from a lot of people that freaking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, several stories about shocking behavior on cruise ships.

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Speaker 2: And we hear from Stefahn, who, let's be honest, he

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Speaker 2: sounded like a bit of a pest on a cruise.

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Speaker 3: YEP, great show today, having my day to.

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Speaker 1: Giwee your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's

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Speaker 1: Mattie and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk ZBBI.

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Speaker 3: News Talks edby Welcome into Thursday. I hope you're doing

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Speaker 2: And look we've just got to We've got to just

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Speaker 2: Tyler Show also doing very well also, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't take it for granted. So yeah, times where.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing so well as I just ordered two coffees,

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Speaker 2: and walked out across the road. And I'd stolen someone's coffee.

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Speaker 3: Oh you didn't after you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd stolen I'd stolen two innocent people's coffees. So

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Speaker 2: that might not be your order there?

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Speaker 3: What is it some sort of Makachino number. I told you,

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not at the moment they collared me and brought

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Speaker 2: never go back there. No, No, that's it for you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I was thinking. Coffees can't be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now you're going to have your picture up there

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Speaker 3: at the cafe. Coffee still a mat my.

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Speaker 2: Head, My head was the clouds around the excellent three

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Speaker 2: hours of radio. We've got plans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you for the coffee, mate, make I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Right on to the show today to three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: This will be interesting. All is not well in Walkworth

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Speaker 3: and it's related to the local primary school. So there's

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Speaker 3: a petition. Sounds serious, It is serious. There's a petition

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Speaker 3: signed by thirty nine neighbors and i'll read out part

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Speaker 3: of this petition cover letter. So these neighbors of the

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Speaker 3: Walkworth Primary School are requesting that the school replaced the

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Speaker 3: current loud bursts of music played through loud speakers to

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Speaker 3: with a simple bowel system. So here are there demands

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Speaker 3: the primary school. Number one, a simple ring of a

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Speaker 3: bell to replace the music, doesn't actually say what music

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Speaker 3: so it's that ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

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Speaker 3: removal of the speaker tower. Didn't know they to speaker

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Speaker 2: I don't like this at all. I need more information.

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Speaker 2: Are they playing the song all the way to get

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Speaker 2: mean you're at a hiding to nothing. If you want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not going to be easy listening to

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Speaker 3: with a bit of grunt to it to say school's on.

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Speaker 2: Well, my school decided when I was growing up, My

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Speaker 2: so they got rid of the bells. So what did

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Speaker 2: you have nothing? You just had to get to class

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Speaker 2: on time. But they just up to the punishment for

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Speaker 2: at all. And actually, I'm not sure if some people

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Speaker 2: by bells. But I think actually the schools rationale was you're,

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Speaker 3: It's outrageous in an era where how many kids would

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Speaker 2: Mate, everyone had watches. Back then, everyone had to watch.

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Speaker 2: Everyone had a cassio tone you know, a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Calculator watch or a boxing calculator watch.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's after three o'clock. After two o'clock, we're going

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Speaker 3: to be talking about cruise ships. This is on the

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Speaker 3: back of a cruise line that is offering four year

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Speaker 3: trips for Americans wishing to skip Trump's second term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's four years on a cruise ship. There's

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Speaker 2: another package where you do two years to the midterm elections.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping these people are hoping the Democrats do better.

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Speaker 2: Four years on a cruise ship sounds like a horror show.

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Speaker 2: For me, that sounds like an absolute night where I've

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Speaker 2: to get off. I can't. I can't imagine choosing to

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Speaker 3: They hang on a minute, so all you can drink

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there was. I didn't. I didn't visit them,

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Speaker 2: but I'm sure there was. There was a casino as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the cabin like?

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Speaker 2: The cabin was good. Actually, yeah, the kevin was good.

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Speaker 2: But you're just trapped and it's like being trapped in

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Speaker 3: Good point.

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Speaker 2: I may think it depends where the cruise ships going.

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Speaker 2: This might be Mediterranean cruises. I'm not sure where they are.

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Speaker 2: You know, it could be Caribbean cruises, but a cruisers

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Speaker 2: at sea. We've just got three sixty water degrees views

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Speaker 2: and so there's nothing to do. Yeah, there's going to

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Speaker 2: be after talk, but there only the prices start at

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Speaker 2: forty thousand per year, so that is too cheap to

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Speaker 2: be spending that much time in a cruise ship. That

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Speaker 3: It would be our body rooms. Aren't they bunk rooms?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's less than rent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the chat after two o'clock though, looking

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Speaker 3: forward to your experiences on cruise ships. But right now, yeah.

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Speaker 2: New Police Commissioner Richard Chambers told this to hither Duples

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Speaker 4: I tell you what I thought was interesting today was

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Speaker 4: it sounds like you are not not keen on it,

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Speaker 4: but open to arming the front line if needed.

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Speaker 5: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: I think we need to keep an open mind heavy

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Speaker 6: never gets into a place where that does occur. You know,

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Speaker 6: I don't see a place for it in our country, however,

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Speaker 6: need to be I need to be open to the

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Speaker 6: you know, just as that volatility continues to develop and

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Speaker 4: Don't you think we are going to, though, Richard, Because

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Speaker 4: it's a completely different place to when you started back

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Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, the stuff I've been exposed to in the

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Speaker 6: last twelve months just demonstrates the links that organized criminals

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Speaker 6: will go to protect business models. I need to protect

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Speaker 2: So do you go how do you feel about police

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Speaker 2: You know, I used to be very much against this,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty harsh to ask the police to not be.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely the Police Association, they have long advocated for routine

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Speaker 3: arming of officers. The vice president, Steve Watt, says an

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Speaker 3: earlier survey this year showed sixty eight percent of staff

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Speaker 3: supported the move. I quote, that's all We're aiming for

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Speaker 3: us to have that conversation, a visage. It will start

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Speaker 3: with pistols on the hip, and like you, Matt, I

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Speaker 3: was always a bit uncomfortable about the idea because we're

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Speaker 3: in a country that hopefully we don't have to have

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Speaker 3: our police routinely armed. But things have changed dramatically. We

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Speaker 3: mentioned the stats of gun crime that have gone up

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Speaker 3: forty one percent in the past six years. Times are changing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was telling you before, Tyler. I rode

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Speaker 2: in the States and with armed police pulling people over.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, that really gives you perspective

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happened in that instance They did a

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Speaker 2: I've had a whole day on it. It was we

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Speaker 10: Jamie Oliver as Beck with us the Naked Shift. What

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four past one.

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Speaker 2: As a text that excited my interest. Hey there, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you want to start off sound incredible when talking police,

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Speaker 2: We just want to have a discussion about it. And

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Speaker 3: Three words, get a grap Shane, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good? Now you're an ex prison officer. What's you're

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Speaker 12: Don't.

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Speaker 13: I have no problem with the police being armed, as

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how long do you think you'd need you

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Speaker 13: Probably one or two years. Because the young, the young guys,

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Speaker 13: They're more likely to rack up a situation than talk

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Speaker 13: Yeah, therein laiesa problem something that can be talked down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what you're talking about de escalating, Shane.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you get taught de escalation. But a lot of

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Speaker 2: Now, saying to someone that would like to be the

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Speaker 2: And were you and did you? Were you capable sorry

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Speaker 2: Did you become good at understanding when there was a

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Speaker 13: Yep, you automatically knew. And it's just the way way

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Speaker 13: It comes with age training people skills, and you know

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Speaker 13: You've seen stuff, and you know, well, actually we can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your insights, Sir Shane.

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Speaker 16: that killed Chaos Price as he tried to hijack a

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Speaker 16: car was excessive, but isn't recommending criminal charges. The PSA

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Speaker 16: is backing a letter from economists telling the government it

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Speaker 16: spending cuts a home, harming people in the economy. Police

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Speaker 16: are asking for any sightings of an overdue hiker tramping

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Speaker 16: the Why Creek track near Queenstown yesterday to the remarkable

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Speaker 16: ski field. Twenty five year old son Jeev is of

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Speaker 16: Nepalese descent, of small build and likely carrying a black

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Speaker 16: backpack and wearing beige pants. Transmission gully on verge of

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Speaker 16: completion Why the speed limit is poised to be raised.

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Speaker 16: You can see more at Enzend Herald Premium. Now back

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Speaker 16: to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Raylean. It is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Our new police Commissioner Richard Chambers has said he has

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Speaker 2: open discussion of routeling arming cops. So eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty what do you think about that? Got a

455
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Speaker 2: couple of texts through on nineteen ninet two international experiences

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Speaker 2: that approximately ten percent of police shot have been shot

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Speaker 2: with their own gun after it being taken off them.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to that, Peter and another text here, we'd need

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Speaker 2: significantly more weapons training. It's a breminem currently that's one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. If we did go to routinely arming cops,

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Speaker 2: I would like them to spend a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: money on training.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a big argument in the States at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I've heard former tactical strategists talk about that the amount

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Speaker 3: of time they have to train with weapons is tiny

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Speaker 3: than need far more, and we'd have to do the same.

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Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, no, welcome to show you had to

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Speaker 2: copy at your house with a glock.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I'll go back fifty years. I think you're

470
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Speaker 17: getting misconstrued. Fifty years ago, my friend was Scindia sergeant,

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Speaker 17: a detective. He carried thirty eight all the time, and

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Speaker 17: so all the other detectives. Now today, every COLMN car

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Speaker 17: which we call a comn car is one that's on

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Speaker 17: the beat. Basically, if it gets called out to someone's place,

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Speaker 17: they are armed. Not everyone has armed, not the ones

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Speaker 17: that wander around perhaps just calling on someone for some

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Speaker 17: other reason. So I think you have to realize that

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Speaker 17: ninety ninety percent of cars at night are armed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So as we're saying for our officers that currently

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Speaker 2: have access to firearms that were kept locked in patrol cars,

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Speaker 2: that some of them.

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Speaker 17: The others are wearing them only are Now I had

483
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Speaker 17: a war in discretion not long ago. I tailgated someone

484
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Speaker 17: down Marson's Road. Now he must have got my regio number.

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Speaker 17: The cops have got so much to do that they

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Speaker 17: obviously went and found out who it was, where they lived.

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Speaker 17: And I had a lovely lady come to see me,

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Speaker 17: and she had this is about a half hours start

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Speaker 17: at night, and she had a block on her help. Yes, Now,

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Speaker 17: as she said, all cars at night have arms on them,

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Speaker 17: it's only the ones that are, you know, doing liscellaneous

492
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Speaker 17: jobs that had them locked up in their boat.

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Speaker 2: And so did this did this officer pull the clock

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Speaker 2: on you?

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Speaker 17: Of course not.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a good thing to hope. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Just your point now, I hear what you're saying, and

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Speaker 3: you're in You're right. But what we're talking about here

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Speaker 3: is having all police officers with a firearm on their hip.

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Speaker 3: That would be the starting point, according to the Police Association.

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Speaker 3: And you can understand that would mean, you know, in

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Speaker 3: situations that are dynamic and fast moving and unpredictable, it

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Speaker 3: is very difficult for a police officer to run back

504
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Speaker 3: to the car, open up the barnet, open up the

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Speaker 3: even get that fire run sometimes. So that is why

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Speaker 3: the survey of police officers showed sixty eight percent support

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Speaker 3: for that.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, they've all certain amount. I've always carried guns. You'll

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Speaker 17: see it in Auckland time outter time they go to

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Speaker 17: a job and they'll all have blocks from their hips.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, thank you so much for your call. Noel

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Speaker 2: coming up in a bit. We'll talk to Neville. He

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Speaker 2: has a son and the police force, so they'll be

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Speaker 2: really interesting to hear their perspective on arming police. Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty three to two.

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Speaker 9: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 9: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four you talk sai'd be.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about arming cops after new police Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Richard Chambers. Chambers said that he was open to discussion

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Speaker 2: just to clarify a few things after the last collar.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about pistols on hips. Officers currently have access

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Speaker 2: to firearms that are kept locked and patrol.

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Speaker 3: Cars yepbsolutely takes tier get a lad's career cop here.

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Speaker 3: When I first joined, the bad guys had sawn off

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Speaker 3: shotguns and cut down twenty twos. These days, the bad

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Speaker 3: guys are armed with military style semi automatic rifles and

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Speaker 3: proper pistols and are more than willing to use those

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Speaker 3: against the police to evade arrest. It is so much

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Speaker 3: more dangerous policing that it used to be. Firearms can

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Speaker 3: be smuggled in just like meth and cocaineas I would

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Speaker 3: feel better if my team were armed with weapons all

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Speaker 3: the time now and welcome the idea of body cam,

536
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Speaker 3: says it would reveal just how feral and dangerous some

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Speaker 3: people are that the general public do not encounter in

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Speaker 3: their day to day life, but cops do on a

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Speaker 3: daily basis.

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Speaker 2: Neville However, though, has a son who is a police officer,

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Speaker 2: and you say no to arming cops, I.

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Speaker 18: Wouldn't say an equivocally no, and ultimate decision rests was

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Speaker 18: ni ideal these a fifty year old Now, I'm no

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Speaker 18: hurry to see it because in what one of your

545
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Speaker 18: corps mentioned earlier, the police and so will the enemy,

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Speaker 18: and they've always got access. I know in Nigel's case,

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Speaker 18: they go out to a place in the Hawk's bay,

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Speaker 18: they view, they call us and do their arms training,

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Speaker 18: and there is adequate training. I haven't really spoken to

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Speaker 18: Nigel about it. When a guy gets to that age,

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Speaker 18: I let the lad be of make his own decisions.

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Speaker 13: Is it?

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Speaker 18: From a father's point of view? With Nigel ten years

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Speaker 18: to go in the force, I don't really want to

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Speaker 18: see him finish up on the street. Has gun for

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Speaker 18: he when we meet. All that training when we were

557
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Speaker 18: at high school, how to how to use arms and

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Speaker 18: get ready for the next war. I think from my perspective,

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Speaker 18: is seeing the results of that sort of a But

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Speaker 18: at the end of the day, my particular son is fifty.

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Speaker 18: I think he can make his own decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Neville, just to cut in there, So you

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Speaker 2: say that police arming will make criminals arm up more.

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Speaker 2: But look, I could be wrong there, and I'd love

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Speaker 2: someone to tell me why on one hundred and eight

566
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Speaker 2: ten eighty, but I would imagine that criminals are arming

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Speaker 2: up against other criminals or for criminal activity, because it

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Speaker 2: would seem absolutely insane to me to arm up against

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Speaker 2: the police because you are never going to win that battle,

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Speaker 2: because you might win one battle, but there'll be waves

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Speaker 2: and waves of police that come after it. So the

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Speaker 2: problem is, I say it as criminals are arming up

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Speaker 2: for whatever they're up to, and the byproduct of that

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Speaker 2: is when they do run into police, they pull the

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Speaker 2: arm the guns on the police.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I will concede that New Zealand as opposed to

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Speaker 18: the New Zealand I grew up, and it was a

578
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Speaker 18: totally different country. I remember my father coming home from

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Speaker 18: World War Two. But New Zealanders generally have got no

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Speaker 18: respect for.

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Speaker 14: Law and order.

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Speaker 18: And I'm seeking more of the younger ones that really

583
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Speaker 18: do get carried away. We all did when were young, didmens,

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Speaker 18: but not that, not to that stage. I'm truly speaking

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Speaker 18: as a dad he got ten years ago. I wanted

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Speaker 18: to live to see them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that and Nevill thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you Neville. James. You thoroughly support the new commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Hello Toda, James, you're on. You support what Richard Chambers

591
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Speaker 3: is saying. He's open to the idea of army. Believe.

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Speaker 19: I saw him on TV this morning and he's so

593
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Speaker 19: much more like then the other police commissioner. He's older

594
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Speaker 19: and he just seems to me to be to be

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Speaker 19: onto it. I had an altercation with five armed defenders.

596
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Speaker 19: I was drunk and it was my fault. I got

597
00:30:25,933 --> 00:30:30,733
Speaker 19: told to go inside and I disobeyed them and got

598
00:30:30,733 --> 00:30:33,333
Speaker 19: it rested and ended up in court and Palmers to North.

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00:30:35,093 --> 00:30:42,733
Speaker 19: They conducted themselves absolutely fantastic. They were armed, fully to

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Speaker 19: the teeth, tasers, rifles, pistols, everything. They were gaining a

601
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Speaker 19: gang house which was down the road from me, and

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Speaker 19: I fully deserved what they threw at me. I obeyed

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Speaker 19: them and I put myself in a position where I

604
00:31:00,053 --> 00:31:04,013
Speaker 19: could have got shot, but they didn't. They realized I

605
00:31:04,053 --> 00:31:07,453
Speaker 19: was drunk, and they behaved themselves absolutely brilliantly.

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Speaker 2: How long goo is that, James?

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Speaker 19: I'm walked for them being armed?

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Speaker 2: How long ago was that? James? Two years two years ago,

609
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Speaker 2: and so what were you actually what were you doing

610
00:31:18,453 --> 00:31:20,333
Speaker 2: that attracted their attention?

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Speaker 19: I went, I heard screaming from my back door. I

612
00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 19: went out to my back lawn and there was a

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00:31:28,773 --> 00:31:31,533
Speaker 19: police dog handler with a dog going around. They were

614
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Speaker 19: searching for someone, and I said, listen, can I be

615
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Speaker 19: of any assistance? And they said go back inside. So

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00:31:40,613 --> 00:31:43,973
Speaker 19: I walked out and turned the outside light on, and

617
00:31:44,053 --> 00:31:48,253
Speaker 19: they said go back inside, and I went, yeah, I'm going,

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Speaker 19: I'm going, you know.

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Speaker 8: And I was drunk.

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Speaker 19: So I went inside and then there was a guy

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Speaker 19: guarding someone in the cul de sack out my front door.

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Speaker 19: So I started giving him ship and I don't know

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Speaker 19: why I did that, and he kicked me in the back,

624
00:32:04,693 --> 00:32:07,213
Speaker 19: knocked me to the floor, and I had the corner

625
00:32:07,213 --> 00:32:09,413
Speaker 19: of my eye I saw the barrel of his rifle.

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Speaker 19: He said, go inside. I've told you once, and I

627
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Speaker 19: cracked myself and I am in inside.

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Speaker 14: And then after that I.

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Speaker 19: Had a few more lines who heard this lady screaming,

630
00:32:22,013 --> 00:32:24,973
Speaker 19: went back outside, up down, up up the alleyway and

631
00:32:25,013 --> 00:32:28,893
Speaker 19: there were four armed defenders in there, and I got arrested.

632
00:32:29,853 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 19: And I'm to this day, I feel so stupid. That

633
00:32:33,853 --> 00:32:39,893
Speaker 19: I tried to take on four or five armed police officers.

634
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Speaker 19: You don't do it. When they tell you to do something,

635
00:32:43,693 --> 00:32:44,173
Speaker 19: you do it.

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00:32:44,333 --> 00:32:47,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, James, good on you for having this self reflection

637
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Speaker 2: to I guess publicly flagulate yourself for your behavior around that.

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Speaker 2: That's refishing to hear.

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Speaker 19: I fully believe that this new guy is the one

640
00:32:58,133 --> 00:33:02,453
Speaker 19: for the job, and I fully believe that the police

641
00:33:02,493 --> 00:33:04,893
Speaker 19: officers should be armed at all times.

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Speaker 3: YEA, thank you, I really do great story, Thank you

643
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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is that is a good rule

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Speaker 2: of thumb. If you have multiple police officers pointing weapons

646
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Speaker 2: at you, do what they say.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter how many ridgs you've had. Just do what

648
00:33:19,253 --> 00:33:20,853
Speaker 3: they say. You might be feeling about.

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Speaker 2: Whoo yep, yep, go back inside and have some more reds,

650
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Speaker 2: but don't come back outside again unless they ask you to.

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Speaker 3: Yep, exactly right. Coming up, we've got a great text

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Speaker 3: here from a serving police officer, very interesting, and we'll

653
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Speaker 3: read that out to you. It is twelve minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams staking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: mad ETHN Tyler Adams Afternoons News talk Z.

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Speaker 3: EDB News talks ZEDB and I mentioned a text before

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Speaker 3: from a serving police officer. It says, get a guys,

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Speaker 3: I'm currently in the force. I'm all for general arming

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Speaker 3: of frontline police. There are more firearms around these days,

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Speaker 3: and criminals are hands and they aren't restricted by the

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Speaker 3: same rules we are. Yes, we have them in the car,

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Speaker 3: but I'd rather have it and not need it than

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Speaker 3: need it and not have it. It's too late if

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Speaker 3: a firearm gets pulled on me and mine are and

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Speaker 3: the gun safe in the car, at least give me

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Speaker 3: a fighting chance. And all for the people listening to

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Speaker 3: this and saying, don't arm the police, but I'm the

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Speaker 3: one walking towards potential danger, not you. And the argument

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Speaker 3: of arm the police and the criminals will get armed, well,

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Speaker 3: the reality of that is that they're already armed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing for me. I drive from

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Speaker 2: my house down to work, and I sit in front

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Speaker 2: of a microphone and talk, and I take a few

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Speaker 2: There's a few few spicy text professional shots while the

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Speaker 2: text message yeah, but that's about all I face. So

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Speaker 2: I mean, as I say before, when I rode along

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Speaker 2: in that in that police car for a night in Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and boy boy, the fair even just being in the

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Speaker 2: car when these cops were getting out and they were armed,

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Speaker 2: and they were getting out and dealing with it, dealing

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Speaker 2: with cars and people that could be armed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a totally different situation, isn't it. And did you

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Speaker 2: say before that sixty seven percent of police believe that

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Speaker 2: they should be armed.

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Speaker 3: And the latest survey from the Police Association, so that's

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Speaker 3: a big number.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot to ask people to go

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Speaker 2: out and face knowing that more and more people have

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Speaker 2: guns and that you just have to walk up with

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Speaker 2: your pepper spray and your taser. Yeah, unless you then

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Speaker 2: assess on the second to run back to your car

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Speaker 2: and get the get the firearm that's locked in the

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Speaker 2: patrol car.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's for me, that seems like a lot,

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Speaker 2: a lot to ask cops to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, George, What do you think I mean

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Speaker 3: the cops would do?

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Speaker 20: Good afternoon fellows. Yeah, it's a really interesting one, isn't it.

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Speaker 20: I mean, yeah, that instead of telling that sixty seven

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Speaker 20: percent of police officers would want to be I'd be

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Speaker 20: really key to hear similar steps on the general public.

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Speaker 20: Would you be more or less likely to join the

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Speaker 20: force if you if you are armed, because I think,

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Speaker 20: you know, we have a really big recruitment issue with

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Speaker 20: the police force at the moment, and recruiting quality young

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Speaker 20: clops who see that as a viable career and in

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Speaker 20: deep spouses who are comfortable with their other halves beeener police.

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Speaker 20: You know, I think the thing that draws me beat

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Speaker 20: sometimes there's a few early twenties and do you have

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Speaker 20: to draw a firearm in and indeed shoot it? You know,

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Speaker 20: those memories do stay with you for a lifetime and

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Speaker 20: you've got to really trick carefully around that situation. There's

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Speaker 20: no doubt police being more cred a bit more animosity,

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Speaker 20: and in amongst those those gangs and areas where they

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Speaker 20: where firearms are used. I think we've just got to

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Speaker 20: really think about what's going to impact on recruitment here

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Speaker 20: because we want more more quality people seeing it as

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Speaker 20: a viable career option to.

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Speaker 21: Become a cop.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that more people would be willing

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Speaker 2: to join the join the police f they knew that

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Speaker 2: they were going to be have sight arms?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think we really should be guided by that

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Speaker 20: statistic particulates in the policeman think they should be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's your ga So you're your gut feeling

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Speaker 2: is that they would that people are not joining the

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Speaker 2: police because of this, because they're facing armed people where

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Speaker 2: they're not armed.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and I think I think, you know, it's one

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Speaker 20: thing one person wanting to be a policeman, but it's

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Speaker 20: another thing the family members jointed the force. It's a

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Speaker 20: bit like letting your child play rugby or you know

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Speaker 20: that grown perception these days that mothers won't like their

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Speaker 20: son's plan. I think everything about their wives and partner's appearance,

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Speaker 20: and because they have a big impact sometimes where they

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Speaker 20: say like I'm not comfortable you're joining the police force

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Speaker 20: without danger citus at the moment, and that can they

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Speaker 20: can you know, that can really impact on that person's

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Speaker 20: decision as to whether they whether they join or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be interesting for me if if my

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Speaker 2: son put up his hand and said he wanted to

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Speaker 2: be a police officer, what I'd think about it? It

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Speaker 2: would be forefront in my mind his safety and but

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Speaker 2: I can't Yeah, in my head now i'm thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'd prefer he was armed or not.

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Speaker 2: Probably by probably would prefer he was armed. But the

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Speaker 2: whole thing, the whole part, all of it terrifies me

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Speaker 2: when I think about my own child.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, part of me.

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Speaker 20: You go, George, I'm just going to say, I think

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Speaker 20: that's you know, it's a bit of a fair trend

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Speaker 20: at the moment that being a policeman it is now

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Speaker 20: seen as such a dangerous job, and it's preventing a

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Speaker 20: lot of people wanting to join it. You know, I'm

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Speaker 20: sort of thinking ten or twenty years ago. But you know,

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Speaker 20: people would be really proud to be a policeman serving

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Speaker 20: their country, and communities are really proud of the police force,

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Speaker 20: and they carry a lot of authiety. It's sadly getting

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Speaker 20: into the realm of senus as too dangerous sto would

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Speaker 20: want to be a policeman, and we don't want that

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Speaker 20: in our country or any country of these.

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Speaker 3: George, thank you very much, And just picking up on

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Speaker 3: one of George's points about where the New Zealanders as

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Speaker 3: a whole would be in favor of arming the police.

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Speaker 3: To me, when I look at that survey that sixty

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Speaker 3: eight percent of serving officers want to be armed, that's

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Speaker 3: all that really matters to me. They are the ones

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Speaker 3: on the streets facing these situations. I can't even image

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Speaker 3: that is all I need to see for me to say, yes,

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Speaker 3: you know, whatever those police officers think they need, we

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Speaker 3: should be giving them that.

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Speaker 2: But I think George was saying a slightly more complicated

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Speaker 2: thing than that. He was looking for a survey of

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Speaker 2: people whether they'd consider their family members or themselves joining

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Speaker 2: the police more if they were armed or less. So

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Speaker 2: he was talking it from a recruitment situation. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: do we have the stats on how many what percentage

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Speaker 2: of people in New Zealand We should look into that,

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Speaker 2: you know, if the wider public want them to be armed.

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Speaker 2: But it's a really interesting idea whether we've got a

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Speaker 2: recruitment and we want to get the best possible people

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Speaker 2: in the force, and whether arming them or not as

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Speaker 2: influencing people choosing that career path or not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good discussion and there'll be plenty more of this

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Speaker 3: as the time of the new commissioner carries on. I

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Speaker 3: think he's in there for four years. But thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, New Sport and whether on its way you're

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Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tilert, very very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 7: I mean, talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons new for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZIB Good afternoon. I hope you're doing Wales six past two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Having an interesting discussion this afternoon. The new police

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Speaker 2: commissioner says he's open to discussing the routine arming of

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Speaker 2: police officers. Police Association Vice president Steve Watt has said

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Speaker 2: that the union has long been advocating for routine arming

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Speaker 2: of officers, with an earlier study finding sixty eight percent

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Speaker 2: of staff supported the move and as he says, that's

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Speaker 2: all we're aiming for is the discussion, and he envisions

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Speaker 2: that it would start with pistols on the hips. So

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Text herekday, guys, I was going to be a cop,

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Speaker 3: about to go to police college in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 3: then Constable Matthew Hunt was killed. Arming the police may

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Speaker 3: bring the idea back around for me. That's from Paul.

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Speaker 2: And here's another text Onwine two Matton Tyler. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: join the police as I wouldn't feel safe. However, I

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Speaker 2: also feel that if someone were to pull a gun

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Speaker 2: on me and I'm armed, it comes becomes who shoots first,

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Speaker 2: whereas if I'm not armed, the guy with the gun

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Speaker 2: has no reason to pull the trigger so long as

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Speaker 2: I don't antagonize them. That's from Gavin, I mean, that's yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's an interesting position to be and I

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Speaker 2: can't really imagine it. But someone's got a gun on

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Speaker 2: you and you're trying to deescalate the situation.

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Speaker 3: Suppose I don't know until you're in that situation.

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Speaker 7: Eh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean, whatever happens arming cops or not,

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Speaker 2: I think as much as we can invest into training

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Speaker 2: our police, the better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, what's your take on arming the police?

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Speaker 22: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, a couple of points. Really lived

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Speaker 22: in Australia for many years, never had any issue with

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Speaker 22: the police carrying guns. Let's face it, you're not doing

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Speaker 22: anything wrong. You're not going to get shot or hopefully not.

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Speaker 22: But the main thing about that I wanted to comment

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Speaker 22: on when you said sixty seven or sixty eight percent

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Speaker 22: of police in England, four percent of the police are

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Speaker 22: armed sounds you know that means ninety six percent aren't.

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Speaker 22: And the recent podcasts on triggeronometry with Constantine Chris and

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Speaker 22: he was talking to a police officer. He was talking

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Speaker 22: to a police officer, and the officer was saying that

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Speaker 22: people are handing in there. They've got some sort of

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Speaker 22: blue ticket or something that means that they can carry weapons.

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Speaker 22: They're handing them in because they don't want to carry weapons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder, I want, I wonder what that situation though, Steve,

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Speaker 2: as if you're one of the four percent, then you're

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Speaker 2: going to be the people that are sent into the

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Speaker 2: situations that are most likely it's.

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Speaker 22: The higher risk jobs. Yes, yeah, but the only other

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Speaker 22: thing that the comment that I would make is that,

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Speaker 22: and I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of

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Speaker 22: a criminal. If I'm going to do a criminal act

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Speaker 22: and I know the police are armed, I'd probably call

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Speaker 22: up you.

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Speaker 14: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I don't know. I'm not a criminal, so I

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Speaker 22: can't make comment on that, but that I don't know.

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Speaker 22: So I'm either easy either way. I'm just I've lived

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Speaker 22: in a situation with it and it's never been a

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Speaker 22: worry to me. But I'm wondering if while I was

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Speaker 22: in Australia decided to be a criminal, whether I would

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Speaker 22: have gone out and got myself a firearm to I

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Speaker 22: don't know, level up the playing field.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 22: I'm just but that's really all I have to say.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting that you mentioned the UK situation, and

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Speaker 3: I imagine, Steve, they have had the same discussions around

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Speaker 3: whether all police officers should be armed. And I'm just

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Speaker 3: looking at the polling. So in two thousand and four

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Speaker 3: they polled a bunch of people in the UK, just

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Speaker 3: regular people, so forty seven percent of people in two

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Speaker 3: thousand and four supported all police officers being armed. In

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen drastically changed, seventy two percent of people surveyed

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Speaker 3: supported police officers being armed, So the public perception has

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Speaker 3: changed dramatically.

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Speaker 22: I think the other thing that I'd just like to

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Speaker 22: stay before I go is that if they are going

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Speaker 22: to arm the police, and as I say, it doesn't

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Speaker 22: bother me either way, they should bring that in with

873
00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:38,453
Speaker 22: body can yes, because I think we're watching you see

874
00:44:38,493 --> 00:44:41,293
Speaker 22: those things that come up on your feed on Facebook

875
00:44:41,373 --> 00:44:46,013
Speaker 22: or whatever, that you've got people that are when they

876
00:44:46,093 --> 00:44:48,613
Speaker 22: look at the body, you know the guy didn't have

877
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:50,533
Speaker 22: a gun, or he did have a gun, and so

878
00:44:50,693 --> 00:44:53,893
Speaker 22: on and so forth, And I think that that would

879
00:44:55,333 --> 00:45:00,573
Speaker 22: keep people more honest. And the other thing is, I

880
00:45:00,693 --> 00:45:03,853
Speaker 22: think the other reason police officers don't want the guns

881
00:45:03,893 --> 00:45:08,253
Speaker 22: in England is because they have some fairly stringent rules.

882
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:10,333
Speaker 22: It's almost like you have to be shot at first

883
00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:13,613
Speaker 22: before you can shoot back, right, and things like that.

884
00:45:14,733 --> 00:45:17,013
Speaker 22: You know, if somebody's got a gun and you're pointing

885
00:45:17,093 --> 00:45:19,813
Speaker 22: your gun and they raise their gun and you shoot them,

886
00:45:20,893 --> 00:45:23,652
Speaker 22: you might be in trouble still, you know. So from

887
00:45:23,693 --> 00:45:27,172
Speaker 22: a police officer's point of view, you're you're you said

888
00:45:27,293 --> 00:45:28,853
Speaker 22: on a hiding to nothing, really, aren't you?

889
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:31,213
Speaker 2: Well, Steve as interesting you we said before that you

890
00:45:31,373 --> 00:45:33,533
Speaker 2: think if you were a criminal and you knew that

891
00:45:33,613 --> 00:45:35,973
Speaker 2: the police were armed, that you would arm up? Do

892
00:45:36,013 --> 00:45:37,973
Speaker 2: you not think that? And look, I don't know the

893
00:45:38,013 --> 00:45:41,573
Speaker 2: answer to this, so I'm asking do you not think

894
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:44,733
Speaker 2: that the criminals are armed up for their dealings and

895
00:45:44,853 --> 00:45:49,213
Speaker 2: criminal activities and arming up if they're in gangs against

896
00:45:49,253 --> 00:45:51,893
Speaker 2: there are other people, and then when the police come

897
00:45:51,933 --> 00:45:55,453
Speaker 2: in contact with them, then that's when the arms are

898
00:45:55,533 --> 00:45:57,253
Speaker 2: used against the police. Because it seems to me like

899
00:45:57,333 --> 00:45:59,853
Speaker 2: it would be you can never arm enough up enough

900
00:45:59,933 --> 00:46:02,813
Speaker 2: to beat the police because there'll be more. They'll always

901
00:46:02,853 --> 00:46:03,973
Speaker 2: be more police that will turn up.

902
00:46:04,853 --> 00:46:07,893
Speaker 22: Yeah, but I mean, well, evidence proves that that the

903
00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:12,453
Speaker 22: the people that are in doing the farious activities are

904
00:46:12,653 --> 00:46:16,893
Speaker 22: often armed and significantly armed. I mean that guy that

905
00:46:17,213 --> 00:46:22,013
Speaker 22: raised an A of fifteen style rifle to the police

906
00:46:22,213 --> 00:46:26,093
Speaker 22: and the Plymouth recently. So yeah, yeah, you're right, I

907
00:46:26,133 --> 00:46:30,013
Speaker 22: mean so, and the whole scheme of things. I'd actually

908
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:31,973
Speaker 22: say to the police officers, you want to carry a gun,

909
00:46:32,013 --> 00:46:33,692
Speaker 22: carry one. If you don't want to carry one, don't

910
00:46:33,693 --> 00:46:34,133
Speaker 22: carry one.

911
00:46:34,613 --> 00:46:34,813
Speaker 7: Yeah.

912
00:46:34,933 --> 00:46:38,093
Speaker 2: Well, well that's and that stat we were talking about before.

913
00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:40,213
Speaker 2: I think we might have got a little bit confused

914
00:46:40,213 --> 00:46:42,853
Speaker 2: there about it. The survey of sixty eight percent of

915
00:46:42,973 --> 00:46:47,652
Speaker 2: police staff supported the move of going to guns. But yeah,

916
00:46:47,733 --> 00:46:50,373
Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah, that's an interesting thing. So if

917
00:46:50,893 --> 00:46:54,373
Speaker 2: s arms were available to the police, would everyone have

918
00:46:54,493 --> 00:46:57,813
Speaker 2: to take them? I'd love to hear from a police

919
00:46:57,853 --> 00:47:00,093
Speaker 2: officer or on that point one hundred and eighty ten

920
00:47:00,213 --> 00:47:02,653
Speaker 2: eighty Do you get to choose what you're cut it

921
00:47:02,773 --> 00:47:05,093
Speaker 2: up with? Do you choose wither you take a taser

922
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:07,773
Speaker 2: and a pepper spray in a baton?

923
00:47:07,973 --> 00:47:08,172
Speaker 7: Yeah?

924
00:47:08,373 --> 00:47:11,973
Speaker 2: I was doing to a policeman, a retired policeman. He

925
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,733
Speaker 2: was furious when they got rid of the you know,

926
00:47:13,813 --> 00:47:18,693
Speaker 2: the top hats. They called them nipple hats because he

927
00:47:18,813 --> 00:47:21,013
Speaker 2: said that was very handy in a fight because you

928
00:47:21,893 --> 00:47:24,173
Speaker 2: put your hand inside the nipple hat and hold it,

929
00:47:24,613 --> 00:47:27,093
Speaker 2: and it was it was it was a great weapon

930
00:47:27,173 --> 00:47:28,213
Speaker 2: in a fight back in the day.

931
00:47:28,293 --> 00:47:31,173
Speaker 3: Bring back the nipple hats. Hey, We've had quite a

932
00:47:31,173 --> 00:47:34,173
Speaker 3: few texts. I think it was George a bit earlier

933
00:47:34,253 --> 00:47:37,493
Speaker 3: who mentioned the problem with recruitment in New Zealand. And

934
00:47:37,613 --> 00:47:39,293
Speaker 3: it is an interesting one, isn't it. There is a

935
00:47:39,373 --> 00:47:42,533
Speaker 3: massive issue at the moment around getting more police officers

936
00:47:42,933 --> 00:47:45,293
Speaker 3: to go to police college, and a lot of that

937
00:47:45,453 --> 00:47:48,573
Speaker 3: is centered around pay. But a lot of the texts

938
00:47:48,613 --> 00:47:53,773
Speaker 3: coming through this one here. Unless our judiciary back our police,

939
00:47:53,893 --> 00:47:56,613
Speaker 3: then arming the police could actually be worse for them.

940
00:47:56,693 --> 00:48:00,613
Speaker 3: We need to back people who want to become police

941
00:48:00,653 --> 00:48:03,573
Speaker 3: officers to have the tools they need to go out

942
00:48:03,613 --> 00:48:06,053
Speaker 3: into the world and the crimes that they're dealing with. Now,

943
00:48:06,213 --> 00:48:09,053
Speaker 3: that is why we're having problems and recruitment now.

944
00:48:10,333 --> 00:48:13,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean you can't back them one

945
00:48:13,453 --> 00:48:17,773
Speaker 2: hundred percent all the way because obviously even in whatever

946
00:48:17,973 --> 00:48:20,493
Speaker 2: organization you are, and there are going to be people

947
00:48:21,013 --> 00:48:24,293
Speaker 2: that do the wrong thing, so you could never have

948
00:48:24,293 --> 00:48:26,333
Speaker 2: a situation we say, no matter whatever happens, we backed

949
00:48:26,333 --> 00:48:28,893
Speaker 2: the police, but I guess you could good move it

950
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:31,533
Speaker 2: more their way. But that's why as that police officer

951
00:48:31,613 --> 00:48:36,252
Speaker 2: that contacted us before said he wanted bodycam on every

952
00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:39,453
Speaker 2: police officer so people could see what people what they're facing.

953
00:48:39,893 --> 00:48:42,212
Speaker 2: And when you do see that body cam footage, which

954
00:48:42,293 --> 00:48:45,733
Speaker 2: seems to absolutely pollute my social media feeds, they have

955
00:48:46,653 --> 00:48:49,893
Speaker 2: the algorithm has spotted me as a person that's whatever

956
00:48:50,013 --> 00:48:51,893
Speaker 2: age or sex or whatever it is, that wants to

957
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:53,493
Speaker 2: see a lot of that footage, even though I feel

958
00:48:53,533 --> 00:48:55,413
Speaker 2: like I don't want to. It seems just to watch it,

959
00:48:55,573 --> 00:48:58,573
Speaker 2: but then you see how absolutely fair all a lot

960
00:48:58,613 --> 00:49:01,733
Speaker 2: of people are that come at cops, and it is

961
00:49:01,813 --> 00:49:03,133
Speaker 2: pretty pretty terrifying.

962
00:49:03,253 --> 00:49:05,253
Speaker 3: Yeah. I might have this wrong, but I thought in

963
00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:07,613
Speaker 3: New Zealand, if you are armed with a taser, as

964
00:49:07,653 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: soon as you use a taser, it's got a camera

965
00:49:10,573 --> 00:49:13,333
Speaker 3: within that taser that starts recording and that's to protect

966
00:49:13,373 --> 00:49:16,053
Speaker 3: the police officer and to be maybe used as evidence

967
00:49:16,093 --> 00:49:17,893
Speaker 3: down the track. But if anybody knows love to hear

968
00:49:17,893 --> 00:49:18,133
Speaker 3: from you.

969
00:49:18,213 --> 00:49:20,813
Speaker 2: Yeah that that'd be interesting. But you know, by the

970
00:49:20,893 --> 00:49:22,933
Speaker 2: time the tases out. A lot of what has happened

971
00:49:22,973 --> 00:49:25,533
Speaker 2: has already come to pass good point now, So the

972
00:49:25,653 --> 00:49:28,772
Speaker 2: more footage you can have around a situation as the better.

973
00:49:28,813 --> 00:49:30,493
Speaker 2: I don't agree with it. When it comes to sport,

974
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:32,013
Speaker 2: I want to get rid of the drs, I want

975
00:49:32,013 --> 00:49:33,732
Speaker 2: to get rid of the banker. But when it comes

976
00:49:33,773 --> 00:49:36,573
Speaker 2: to police activity, I one hundred percent want every part

977
00:49:36,613 --> 00:49:39,053
Speaker 2: of it to be filmed for everyone's safety.

978
00:49:39,213 --> 00:49:41,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love

979
00:49:41,333 --> 00:49:43,893
Speaker 3: to hear from you about the arming of polices at time.

980
00:49:44,173 --> 00:49:47,253
Speaker 3: But also if you thought about becoming a police officer

981
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,613
Speaker 3: and you haven't love to hear from you as well.

982
00:49:49,813 --> 00:49:51,653
Speaker 3: Was it just an issue about pay or is it

983
00:49:51,733 --> 00:49:54,413
Speaker 3: the issue of how dangerous it is the police officers

984
00:49:54,453 --> 00:49:54,973
Speaker 3: in New Zealand?

985
00:49:55,053 --> 00:49:56,893
Speaker 2: Right now, there's a text on what I said before

986
00:49:57,213 --> 00:50:00,013
Speaker 2: on nineteen nine two. The police are full of crooks.

987
00:50:00,653 --> 00:50:02,333
Speaker 2: We cannot arm them, says this texter.

988
00:50:02,613 --> 00:50:08,933
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, it's bold statements. It is sixteen past two, home.

989
00:50:08,773 --> 00:50:12,853
Speaker 1: Of Afternoon Talk and Heaton Taylor Adams Afternoons call. Oh,

990
00:50:12,893 --> 00:50:15,493
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

991
00:50:15,973 --> 00:50:18,493
Speaker 3: It's nineteen past two. We're talking about is a time

992
00:50:18,573 --> 00:50:20,053
Speaker 3: to arm our police officers.

993
00:50:20,253 --> 00:50:22,853
Speaker 2: And before Tyler, you were talking about whether tasers have

994
00:50:23,093 --> 00:50:25,613
Speaker 2: cameras on them. With the New Zealand police have tasers

995
00:50:25,653 --> 00:50:28,853
Speaker 2: on cameras on their tasers. The Sextro ninety two nine

996
00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:31,573
Speaker 2: two says the original tasers had cameras, the latest ones

997
00:50:32,053 --> 00:50:32,453
Speaker 2: do not.

998
00:50:32,973 --> 00:50:35,652
Speaker 3: Interesting that they rode back on that. Yeah, but yeah,

999
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:37,093
Speaker 3: I mean you made that fair point. If it is

1000
00:50:37,213 --> 00:50:39,293
Speaker 3: used in evidence and it only starts recording when the

1001
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:42,573
Speaker 3: taser is fired, you've lost a lot of the prelude

1002
00:50:42,613 --> 00:50:44,333
Speaker 3: into what actually happened you on.

1003
00:50:44,413 --> 00:50:46,733
Speaker 2: All of it filmed, going right back to the very

1004
00:50:46,773 --> 00:50:50,093
Speaker 2: start of the altercation or the incident.

1005
00:50:50,213 --> 00:50:52,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, some great techs coming through on nine two nine

1006
00:50:52,413 --> 00:50:54,613
Speaker 3: two this one yet, Ay, guys, Going back to the

1007
00:50:54,653 --> 00:50:57,533
Speaker 3: point made about recruitment, I'd wager it is similar to

1008
00:50:57,653 --> 00:51:00,093
Speaker 3: our military. No one joins the Air Force because we

1009
00:51:00,133 --> 00:51:02,973
Speaker 3: don't have any jets. People join in Air Force to

1010
00:51:03,213 --> 00:51:05,773
Speaker 3: fly fighter planes which we don't have, so no one

1011
00:51:05,813 --> 00:51:07,853
Speaker 3: signs up. Police would be the same. They don't have

1012
00:51:07,893 --> 00:51:08,773
Speaker 3: the equiped they need.

1013
00:51:08,973 --> 00:51:11,573
Speaker 2: Well, as someone that's just recently been checking out the

1014
00:51:11,653 --> 00:51:13,733
Speaker 2: new hercules that we've got here, I would join the

1015
00:51:13,773 --> 00:51:15,773
Speaker 2: Air Force if I could to fly that thing or

1016
00:51:15,813 --> 00:51:17,933
Speaker 2: even one of the kings that we flew down to

1017
00:51:18,093 --> 00:51:18,653
Speaker 2: Orhaky you're on.

1018
00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:20,093
Speaker 3: You were so happy in that cockpit.

1019
00:51:20,173 --> 00:51:21,893
Speaker 2: And tell you what, the Air Force has got some

1020
00:51:22,173 --> 00:51:24,813
Speaker 2: very cool choppers. So the Air Force, we may not

1021
00:51:24,893 --> 00:51:26,692
Speaker 2: have jets, but we've got some pretty cool kit.

1022
00:51:26,893 --> 00:51:27,973
Speaker 3: Still good times in the area.

1023
00:51:29,053 --> 00:51:31,533
Speaker 2: Yes, so, And we were talking about that stat before

1024
00:51:31,573 --> 00:51:35,733
Speaker 2: that was sixty eight percent of the staff police staff

1025
00:51:35,813 --> 00:51:41,693
Speaker 2: said they supported arming police routine, the arming officers. But

1026
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:43,853
Speaker 2: this is a really interesting point here, and this is

1027
00:51:43,933 --> 00:51:45,853
Speaker 2: the classic thing on stats, isn't it. Of all the

1028
00:51:45,893 --> 00:51:47,812
Speaker 2: police that were canvassed, how many of them were front

1029
00:51:47,853 --> 00:51:49,853
Speaker 2: light and how many of them were office based. Good point,

1030
00:51:49,933 --> 00:51:53,053
Speaker 2: because that's a very very different opinion, because if you're

1031
00:51:53,173 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 2: sitting in office, your opinions on whether you should be

1032
00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:58,212
Speaker 2: armed will be very different from someone that's actually out

1033
00:51:58,293 --> 00:52:00,613
Speaker 2: there confronting criminals.

1034
00:52:00,973 --> 00:52:03,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Dean, You're in favor, but you think there's

1035
00:52:03,973 --> 00:52:04,732
Speaker 3: a few fish ooks.

1036
00:52:06,173 --> 00:52:10,813
Speaker 23: Yeah, I'm definitely in favor. I mean argument that you know,

1037
00:52:10,973 --> 00:52:14,812
Speaker 23: the gangle call up is probably you know, long since

1038
00:52:14,933 --> 00:52:19,013
Speaker 23: past us. They're already caulled up. And I know a

1039
00:52:19,093 --> 00:52:21,853
Speaker 23: few of your callers of restrilption that you know there's

1040
00:52:21,853 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 23: an escalation. I think the police are the ones that

1041
00:52:24,453 --> 00:52:27,333
Speaker 23: have been left behind at that point and they need

1042
00:52:27,373 --> 00:52:29,493
Speaker 23: to catch up. But the fishops are in the training

1043
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,893
Speaker 23: and the body cams, they really have to have those

1044
00:52:32,973 --> 00:52:36,733
Speaker 23: for their own protection. And I think there's been a

1045
00:52:36,773 --> 00:52:39,013
Speaker 23: bit of a culture where in the past they've and

1046
00:52:39,213 --> 00:52:40,853
Speaker 23: like you said, they've already dropped the ones from the

1047
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:47,213
Speaker 23: the tasers, where they've seem to have been reluctant to

1048
00:52:47,493 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 23: introduce cameras.

1049
00:52:49,613 --> 00:52:52,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is that, Dan, I'm just trying to find

1050
00:52:53,013 --> 00:52:56,613
Speaker 2: that out. Actually, why, Ah, Why why is there a

1051
00:52:56,653 --> 00:52:59,013
Speaker 2: reluctance to have have body cams? Because we've had a

1052
00:52:59,253 --> 00:53:01,692
Speaker 2: couple of texts from police officers that say that they

1053
00:53:01,693 --> 00:53:04,733
Speaker 2: would they would want them. I'm not sure what the

1054
00:53:04,853 --> 00:53:08,293
Speaker 2: reluctance would be, because it seems very good way to

1055
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:09,773
Speaker 2: work out exactly what has happened.

1056
00:53:10,773 --> 00:53:12,973
Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean that's probably more of a question for

1057
00:53:13,053 --> 00:53:16,813
Speaker 23: the police union. Bayhill has never really been in favor

1058
00:53:16,893 --> 00:53:21,652
Speaker 23: of them. I don't understand why not, because I think

1059
00:53:21,693 --> 00:53:25,293
Speaker 23: if you're doing your job promptly, one you can only

1060
00:53:25,373 --> 00:53:28,652
Speaker 23: learn from having that footage, and two it's for your

1061
00:53:28,653 --> 00:53:29,652
Speaker 23: own protection in court.

1062
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:33,733
Speaker 3: I've just found some information on this DENE so police

1063
00:53:33,853 --> 00:53:36,613
Speaker 3: will not consider whether to put body worn cameras on

1064
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:39,693
Speaker 3: frontline officers for at least another ten months. This was

1065
00:53:39,733 --> 00:53:42,933
Speaker 3: in September, so next year they'll start to reconsider it.

1066
00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:45,453
Speaker 3: But lawyers have raised concerns about the lack of footage

1067
00:53:45,893 --> 00:53:47,733
Speaker 3: will make it harder to catch out any abuse and

1068
00:53:47,773 --> 00:53:50,053
Speaker 3: control of the use of tasers or report last month

1069
00:53:50,293 --> 00:53:54,933
Speaker 3: that found bias among police and researchers had raised significance

1070
00:53:54,973 --> 00:53:58,853
Speaker 3: in concerns about the new tases, including the lack of cameras.

1071
00:53:58,893 --> 00:54:01,053
Speaker 3: So the lawyers are all in favor in favor of

1072
00:54:01,133 --> 00:54:04,533
Speaker 3: it that the police say the prohibitive cost is the

1073
00:54:04,573 --> 00:54:06,493
Speaker 3: biggest barrier they can think of at the moment.

1074
00:54:07,293 --> 00:54:09,893
Speaker 23: Yeah, and that's probably the big bishop because you know,

1075
00:54:09,973 --> 00:54:14,333
Speaker 23: you introduce frontline arming, you also have to ramp up

1076
00:54:14,613 --> 00:54:17,453
Speaker 23: the training to a standard that is much higher than

1077
00:54:17,613 --> 00:54:20,333
Speaker 23: what they're doing at the moment. Now, just give them

1078
00:54:20,373 --> 00:54:24,413
Speaker 23: some context. I've been a firearm safety trainer for more

1079
00:54:24,453 --> 00:54:27,172
Speaker 23: more than three decades. I've been a range officer. I've

1080
00:54:27,253 --> 00:54:31,213
Speaker 23: seen police officers on the range and they are not safe,

1081
00:54:31,733 --> 00:54:34,573
Speaker 23: and they have been banned from many ranges because of that,

1082
00:54:34,853 --> 00:54:38,133
Speaker 23: and not just because of that, but because they have

1083
00:54:38,773 --> 00:54:42,373
Speaker 23: their attitude for whatever reason when they're called out, it

1084
00:54:42,373 --> 00:54:46,213
Speaker 23: has been pretty arrogant. But that's beside issue. The main

1085
00:54:46,293 --> 00:54:50,733
Speaker 23: issue with the training is training, like firing under stress,

1086
00:54:50,893 --> 00:54:53,772
Speaker 23: having to use your firearm under stress. It's a big

1087
00:54:53,933 --> 00:54:56,333
Speaker 23: difference with standing on the range and shooting with holes

1088
00:54:56,373 --> 00:54:57,173
Speaker 23: and paper targets.

1089
00:54:57,733 --> 00:55:00,373
Speaker 2: So what sort of level of training would you want

1090
00:55:00,413 --> 00:55:02,973
Speaker 2: police to have before they were armed and how regular

1091
00:55:02,973 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 2: would the training have to be in terms of temperament

1092
00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:07,253
Speaker 2: and accuracy.

1093
00:55:08,373 --> 00:55:10,373
Speaker 14: You should have to balance that with your budget. Can't you.

1094
00:55:12,253 --> 00:55:14,333
Speaker 23: What I want and what might be feasible with two

1095
00:55:14,373 --> 00:55:17,293
Speaker 23: different things. I think that a police officer should qualify

1096
00:55:17,373 --> 00:55:21,693
Speaker 23: every six months. I don't like to make sure that

1097
00:55:21,853 --> 00:55:24,853
Speaker 23: they can shoot accurately and safely. The stress buy a thing.

1098
00:55:25,653 --> 00:55:28,493
Speaker 23: That's something that you know. If you look at what

1099
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:30,413
Speaker 23: they do in the United States and other forces where

1100
00:55:30,413 --> 00:55:33,213
Speaker 23: their routine they am, there's quite a huge variation between

1101
00:55:34,693 --> 00:55:36,973
Speaker 23: department to department, and a lot of that is budget driven.

1102
00:55:37,013 --> 00:55:41,053
Speaker 2: Again, this may sound like a stupid question, but what

1103
00:55:41,333 --> 00:55:45,893
Speaker 2: is more important accuracy or temperament when it comes to

1104
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:47,293
Speaker 2: firearms training.

1105
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:49,013
Speaker 14: They go hand in hand.

1106
00:55:50,293 --> 00:55:52,413
Speaker 23: If you cannot handle the stress, like you get that

1107
00:55:52,573 --> 00:55:54,893
Speaker 23: huge adrenals drump and the hunting side of things, we

1108
00:55:55,013 --> 00:55:59,573
Speaker 23: call it buckbeever. And I've seen guys get so adrenalized

1109
00:55:59,573 --> 00:56:02,173
Speaker 23: that they've fired five shots an animal that should have

1110
00:56:02,213 --> 00:56:05,212
Speaker 23: been an easy shot and messed with every single shot. Yeah,

1111
00:56:06,053 --> 00:56:11,333
Speaker 23: you know, and you're like, dude, calm down, Yes, hey.

1112
00:56:11,253 --> 00:56:13,893
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you called Dean. That was very,

1113
00:56:14,013 --> 00:56:15,733
Speaker 2: very interesting. We've got a lot of texts coming through

1114
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:17,933
Speaker 2: on nine two ninety two from police officers with some

1115
00:56:18,173 --> 00:56:22,293
Speaker 2: insights into this body cam and other issues, so we'll

1116
00:56:22,293 --> 00:56:25,733
Speaker 2: bring you those, but also eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1117
00:56:25,853 --> 00:56:29,653
Speaker 2: your thoughts on arming police body cams and whether you

1118
00:56:29,733 --> 00:56:34,252
Speaker 2: would feel happier if your family member or yourself would

1119
00:56:34,253 --> 00:56:37,732
Speaker 2: feel happy about entering the police force if police were armed.

1120
00:56:37,813 --> 00:56:40,212
Speaker 3: Yep, get on the phones. It is twenty five past two.

1121
00:56:45,093 --> 00:56:48,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1122
00:56:48,853 --> 00:56:50,453
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talks EDB.

1123
00:56:51,933 --> 00:56:55,293
Speaker 3: News Talks B. We're talking about the routine army of

1124
00:56:55,413 --> 00:56:57,853
Speaker 3: police officers on the back of the new commissioner who's

1125
00:56:57,853 --> 00:57:00,013
Speaker 3: been appointed. He is open to the idea. What do

1126
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:01,973
Speaker 3: you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1127
00:57:02,093 --> 00:57:04,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's the secondary issue of body cams on

1128
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:06,933
Speaker 2: police because a lot of officers are texting through and

1129
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:11,773
Speaker 2: saying that that they think that body cams should go

1130
00:57:11,853 --> 00:57:14,933
Speaker 2: hand in hand with guns. But he's an officer here

1131
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:16,653
Speaker 2: on nine two nine and two from a police officer,

1132
00:57:16,773 --> 00:57:19,573
Speaker 2: cameras are must, but the cost and the storage of

1133
00:57:19,693 --> 00:57:23,373
Speaker 2: footage logistics are massive. And that's always the case with

1134
00:57:23,453 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 2: the police, isn't it That they've got so much to do,

1135
00:57:26,173 --> 00:57:28,533
Speaker 2: and they're so overworked, and they've got to make trade

1136
00:57:28,573 --> 00:57:30,813
Speaker 2: offs all the time, and so you're looking at a

1137
00:57:30,853 --> 00:57:34,693
Speaker 2: whole nother layer of infrastructure that you have to bring in,

1138
00:57:35,573 --> 00:57:39,293
Speaker 2: and you don't also necessarily get the funding that you

1139
00:57:39,453 --> 00:57:41,333
Speaker 2: need for a new thing that's lacked on top of you.

1140
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:43,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you just try and price out the

1141
00:57:43,453 --> 00:57:46,333
Speaker 3: body cameras by itself, there's around ten thousand police officers

1142
00:57:46,373 --> 00:57:48,693
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, I believe, So how much is a

1143
00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:51,093
Speaker 3: body camera worth? Wouldn't be cheap times that by ten

1144
00:57:51,173 --> 00:57:53,853
Speaker 3: thousands A lot of money, isn't it. Grant? Tell were

1145
00:57:53,853 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 3: you this afternoon?

1146
00:57:55,453 --> 00:57:55,653
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1147
00:57:55,653 --> 00:57:56,813
Speaker 25: I'm good mate, How are you boy.

1148
00:57:56,973 --> 00:57:58,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're good. You've got a friend who's about to

1149
00:57:58,973 --> 00:57:59,853
Speaker 3: enter police college.

1150
00:58:00,893 --> 00:58:01,093
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1151
00:58:01,173 --> 00:58:04,933
Speaker 25: Mate, so this quay we've sort of become friendly. We've

1152
00:58:04,973 --> 00:58:06,973
Speaker 25: got kids about the same age. He actually used to

1153
00:58:07,053 --> 00:58:12,693
Speaker 25: work for me, and he has he's had three goes

1154
00:58:15,293 --> 00:58:18,493
Speaker 25: at getting through the initial exam before he goes away

1155
00:58:18,533 --> 00:58:25,413
Speaker 25: to basic training. And mate, look, this guy is a

1156
00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:28,533
Speaker 25: good friend of mine and he is a really nice guy.

1157
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:31,613
Speaker 25: But the thought of him having a firearm is terrifying.

1158
00:58:33,693 --> 00:58:33,853
Speaker 7: You know.

1159
00:58:35,093 --> 00:58:39,173
Speaker 25: Well, look, he worked under me in the freezing works

1160
00:58:39,213 --> 00:58:42,773
Speaker 25: and he was barely capable of doing that. And it

1161
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 25: takes three goes. If it takes three goes to get through,

1162
00:58:48,213 --> 00:58:51,533
Speaker 25: and then you're going to give someone a firearm, you know,

1163
00:58:52,213 --> 00:58:55,293
Speaker 25: it's it's a pretty scary thought. And I can't I

1164
00:58:55,373 --> 00:58:59,053
Speaker 25: can't imagine he's the only example of But don't get

1165
00:58:59,093 --> 00:59:02,133
Speaker 25: me wrong, I'm guessing they struggle to recruit people, whether

1166
00:59:02,213 --> 00:59:05,093
Speaker 25: the standards are quite what they were. I'm sure you

1167
00:59:05,173 --> 00:59:08,493
Speaker 25: could arm some officers, but blanket arming every officer is

1168
00:59:08,493 --> 00:59:11,493
Speaker 25: a pretty I mean, well, I was looking before on

1169
00:59:11,613 --> 00:59:15,613
Speaker 25: one News today. There's a lot a PCA binding of

1170
00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:20,413
Speaker 25: an unjustified shooting. So to think that you're going to

1171
00:59:20,573 --> 00:59:24,573
Speaker 25: arm every officer, and you know, I mean the body

1172
00:59:24,613 --> 00:59:27,173
Speaker 25: cam thing. Yeah, that's a bit rich to say that

1173
00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:30,973
Speaker 25: a body cam. I would imagine a sidearm probably cost

1174
00:59:31,053 --> 00:59:31,973
Speaker 25: more than a body can.

1175
00:59:33,133 --> 00:59:35,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing because the side

1176
00:59:35,533 --> 00:59:38,253
Speaker 2: arm would have to come with increased training, which is

1177
00:59:38,373 --> 00:59:42,253
Speaker 2: more expense. And then you're talking about a body cam

1178
00:59:42,533 --> 00:59:44,653
Speaker 2: and all the admin that we're hearing about coming through

1179
00:59:44,773 --> 00:59:47,453
Speaker 2: around body cams and the storage of the footage and

1180
00:59:47,493 --> 00:59:50,413
Speaker 2: the dealing with that. And at the same time as

1181
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:53,253
Speaker 2: budgets are stretched across the board everywhere. I mean, it

1182
00:59:53,413 --> 00:59:56,213
Speaker 2: just it's like everything in this country, isn't it, Because

1183
00:59:56,293 --> 00:59:58,973
Speaker 2: ideally you would pay police more than we do, and

1184
00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:01,613
Speaker 2: then you could get really really high candidates across the

1185
01:00:01,653 --> 01:00:04,773
Speaker 2: board and it would be really a really great option

1186
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:07,973
Speaker 2: for people. I mean, when you're doing your twenty week

1187
01:00:08,013 --> 01:00:12,653
Speaker 2: training course, you're on fifty fifty eight thousand dollars a

1188
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:15,213
Speaker 2: year up to sixty three, but after five years you're

1189
01:00:15,253 --> 01:00:17,693
Speaker 2: only up to eighty eight thousand dollars a year. And

1190
01:00:17,973 --> 01:00:20,293
Speaker 2: to be out their role of money, it's about there

1191
01:00:20,413 --> 01:00:23,893
Speaker 2: risking your life for eighty eight thousand dollars a year.

1192
01:00:23,973 --> 01:00:28,253
Speaker 2: You're asking people to really make sacrifices for the good

1193
01:00:28,253 --> 01:00:28,733
Speaker 2: of the country.

1194
01:00:28,853 --> 01:00:29,213
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1195
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:32,733
Speaker 25: Yeah, look, I get that, but I mean, if you

1196
01:00:32,813 --> 01:00:34,893
Speaker 25: look at lights of the US and things like that,

1197
01:00:35,893 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 25: I would have thought of the police at advocating or

1198
01:00:38,293 --> 01:00:42,013
Speaker 25: the new commissioners advocating for firearms. He would be advocating

1199
01:00:42,093 --> 01:00:44,933
Speaker 25: for bodycams at the same time, because I mean, if

1200
01:00:44,933 --> 01:00:48,893
Speaker 25: you look at the US and stuff like that, that's

1201
01:00:49,293 --> 01:00:52,893
Speaker 25: their only way that they're going to be able to

1202
01:00:53,133 --> 01:00:56,893
Speaker 25: justify some of this stuff as if they've got bodycam footage. Otherwise,

1203
01:00:57,213 --> 01:00:59,293
Speaker 25: you know, it sort of becomes like the court of

1204
01:00:59,333 --> 01:01:00,933
Speaker 25: public opinion in the US.

1205
01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:01,533
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1206
01:01:01,933 --> 01:01:03,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much for your call.

1207
01:01:04,093 --> 01:01:07,173
Speaker 2: I mean to say that the new place be cosmission

1208
01:01:07,293 --> 01:01:10,693
Speaker 2: isn't advocating. Richard Chalmers has said he is open to

1209
01:01:10,853 --> 01:01:14,053
Speaker 2: discussing the routine arming of officers. So it's a few

1210
01:01:14,133 --> 01:01:17,133
Speaker 2: steps back from advocating open to discussing.

1211
01:01:17,373 --> 01:01:18,733
Speaker 3: That's right, We're not quite there.

1212
01:01:18,813 --> 01:01:21,093
Speaker 2: He hasn't even said which way he's looking to discuss it.

1213
01:01:21,253 --> 01:01:21,453
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1214
01:01:21,573 --> 01:01:23,333
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to pick this up after the headlines

1215
01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:26,693
Speaker 3: O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty It is twenty

1216
01:01:26,853 --> 01:01:27,213
Speaker 3: eight to.

1217
01:01:27,293 --> 01:01:33,613
Speaker 15: Three US talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxings.

1218
01:01:33,653 --> 01:01:37,013
Speaker 16: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Children's Minister

1219
01:01:37,173 --> 01:01:39,373
Speaker 16: says it would have been naive to think none of

1220
01:01:39,453 --> 01:01:42,413
Speaker 16: the young men in the government boot camp pilot would

1221
01:01:42,453 --> 01:01:45,413
Speaker 16: re offend. It's alleged one of the ten is committed

1222
01:01:45,453 --> 01:01:48,613
Speaker 16: a crime a month after the residential phase of the program.

1223
01:01:49,733 --> 01:01:53,693
Speaker 16: Accusations police have made false statements and planted evidence in

1224
01:01:53,773 --> 01:01:56,933
Speaker 16: a grave. From the man charged with killing christ Church

1225
01:01:57,013 --> 01:02:00,653
Speaker 16: Real to Yan fey Bao, he is conducting his own defense.

1226
01:02:01,373 --> 01:02:04,693
Speaker 16: Police are examining the scene of an unexplained death yesterday

1227
01:02:04,733 --> 01:02:08,053
Speaker 16: and Chevy at north of christ Church. Two associates have

1228
01:02:08,053 --> 01:02:11,573
Speaker 16: different gangs have been arrested overnight in Auckland after separate

1229
01:02:11,653 --> 01:02:15,733
Speaker 16: police pursuits to Glenninis and Drawery, including dangerous driving and

1230
01:02:15,813 --> 01:02:19,773
Speaker 16: a gun being pointed. Data shows fifty one point three

1231
01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:23,693
Speaker 16: percent of students attended school regularly in term three defined

1232
01:02:23,813 --> 01:02:26,813
Speaker 16: is going to school ninety percent of the time. Attendance

1233
01:02:27,053 --> 01:02:30,773
Speaker 16: was forty six percent and Term three last year fon

1234
01:02:30,853 --> 01:02:33,173
Speaker 16: Terra's consumer business sale and how.

1235
01:02:33,093 --> 01:02:33,893
Speaker 3: It might look.

1236
01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:36,853
Speaker 16: Read more at Enzid Herald Premium. Now back to Matt

1237
01:02:37,013 --> 01:02:38,413
Speaker 16: Eathan Tymer Adams.

1238
01:02:38,133 --> 01:02:40,333
Speaker 3: Thank you, Rayleen. It is twenty four to three. We're

1239
01:02:40,333 --> 01:02:43,053
Speaker 3: talking about is it time to arm our police officers

1240
01:02:43,093 --> 01:02:45,853
Speaker 3: on the back of comments from Commissioner Richard Chambers, and

1241
01:02:45,973 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 3: as you mentioned before, he said he is open to

1242
01:02:48,093 --> 01:02:51,773
Speaker 3: the idea. There's no indication that in the next couple

1243
01:02:51,813 --> 01:02:53,733
Speaker 3: of years we're going to have all cops with side ups.

1244
01:02:53,813 --> 01:02:56,293
Speaker 3: That's not the conversation we're having. We're talking about the

1245
01:02:56,333 --> 01:02:56,893
Speaker 3: idea of it.

1246
01:02:57,253 --> 01:03:01,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the Police Association Vice president Steve Watts had

1247
01:03:01,413 --> 01:03:03,973
Speaker 2: said that the union has long advocated for routine armoring

1248
01:03:04,053 --> 01:03:07,773
Speaker 2: of officers and sixty eight percent of staff support it

1249
01:03:07,933 --> 01:03:10,733
Speaker 2: and that they really want to have the conversation, but

1250
01:03:10,773 --> 01:03:13,573
Speaker 2: they have a vision at starting with pistols on the hip. Currently,

1251
01:03:14,013 --> 01:03:17,173
Speaker 2: officers are access to firearms, but they're kept locked and

1252
01:03:17,213 --> 01:03:19,813
Speaker 2: patrol cars. Although we've just talked to a police officer

1253
01:03:20,253 --> 01:03:23,253
Speaker 2: off here and he said on a shift he is

1254
01:03:23,573 --> 01:03:26,333
Speaker 2: often getting his going to that car and getting those

1255
01:03:26,413 --> 01:03:28,893
Speaker 2: on unlocked weapons out six times in a shift.

1256
01:03:29,093 --> 01:03:29,693
Speaker 22: Yeah, So.

1257
01:03:31,493 --> 01:03:33,413
Speaker 2: I mean what are they facing out there that they're

1258
01:03:33,533 --> 01:03:35,773
Speaker 2: having to get their weapons out six times in a shift?

1259
01:03:35,893 --> 01:03:37,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It doesn't make sense, does it When he

1260
01:03:37,933 --> 01:03:40,093
Speaker 3: has to go to his car, unlock the gun safe,

1261
01:03:40,173 --> 01:03:42,893
Speaker 3: pull out those weapons six times a shift. Then that

1262
01:03:43,133 --> 01:03:45,293
Speaker 3: argument about having a side arm on you at all

1263
01:03:45,373 --> 01:03:47,133
Speaker 3: times becomes a bit more simple, doesn't it.

1264
01:03:47,293 --> 01:03:50,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're putting this together. The two issues go

1265
01:03:50,613 --> 01:03:54,653
Speaker 2: hand in hand, between body cams and guns because if

1266
01:03:54,773 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 2: police are going to have guns, and we're hearing a

1267
01:03:56,373 --> 01:03:58,813
Speaker 2: lot from police officers and different and people on that

1268
01:03:59,013 --> 01:04:01,893
Speaker 2: disagree with the situation saying if guns come through, we

1269
01:04:02,053 --> 01:04:04,413
Speaker 2: need body cams on every cop. There's a text through

1270
01:04:05,293 --> 01:04:07,973
Speaker 2: nine two. I used to work specifically body cams across

1271
01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 2: the Red New Zealand had costed out a few times.

1272
01:04:11,253 --> 01:04:14,053
Speaker 2: The camera itself is not expensive. There are issues around

1273
01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:17,133
Speaker 2: data storage at the moment. New Zealand has data sovereignty issues,

1274
01:04:17,133 --> 01:04:19,853
Speaker 2: which means that they're unable to leverage the cloud. It

1275
01:04:19,973 --> 01:04:22,613
Speaker 2: is an area that is changing historically. To store all

1276
01:04:22,933 --> 01:04:26,013
Speaker 2: of the data on your own surfaces servers requires the

1277
01:04:26,053 --> 01:04:28,373
Speaker 2: police to have a considerable uplift and cost for service

1278
01:04:28,413 --> 01:04:32,773
Speaker 2: space or storage space within a partner data center. Pretty

1279
01:04:32,773 --> 01:04:35,693
Speaker 2: easy to operate. They just clip it on when I

1280
01:04:35,853 --> 01:04:38,093
Speaker 2: start their day's work, take it off at the end

1281
01:04:38,133 --> 01:04:41,413
Speaker 2: of the day, et cetera. So like everything we say

1282
01:04:41,693 --> 01:04:44,693
Speaker 2: put body cams and cops, but it's so much more

1283
01:04:44,733 --> 01:04:46,413
Speaker 2: complicated and more expensive than that.

1284
01:04:46,613 --> 01:04:49,533
Speaker 3: Certainly is Nigel, you think it's a double edged sword.

1285
01:04:51,293 --> 01:04:54,893
Speaker 26: Well, i'd just gone between my brother and I have

1286
01:04:55,133 --> 01:05:00,613
Speaker 26: discussed it, and he took the side that they if

1287
01:05:00,653 --> 01:05:05,413
Speaker 26: they are themselves, then the real criminals that love their

1288
01:05:06,333 --> 01:05:09,173
Speaker 26: love their guns, I'll be to. So it's going to

1289
01:05:09,253 --> 01:05:09,733
Speaker 26: ramp it up.

1290
01:05:10,973 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 2: M Yeah, we've still talked about it that bit this afternoon.

1291
01:05:15,853 --> 01:05:19,133
Speaker 2: But I guess the argument against that is criminals are

1292
01:05:19,973 --> 01:05:23,893
Speaker 2: ramping up their arming to deal with their adversaries and

1293
01:05:24,133 --> 01:05:28,373
Speaker 2: to use those weapons and criminal activity and when the

1294
01:05:28,413 --> 01:05:31,493
Speaker 2: police come and face them. It seems unlikely to me

1295
01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:34,773
Speaker 2: that the criminals are arming up to face the police,

1296
01:05:34,813 --> 01:05:36,893
Speaker 2: because that seems like a battle that you will lose,

1297
01:05:37,013 --> 01:05:39,493
Speaker 2: because if you start shooting at police, the entire force

1298
01:05:39,533 --> 01:05:41,813
Speaker 2: will come down on you. I think that the arming

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Speaker 2: up is to deal with other criminals, and it just

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Speaker 2: so happens that's what the police end up facing and

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Speaker 2: then things get out of control. So you're in a

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Speaker 2: situation where one side's arming up for a war they're fighting,

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01:05:53,613 --> 01:05:56,373
Speaker 2: or criminal activity they're doing. The police have to deal

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Speaker 2: with that environment that is ramping up.

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Speaker 26: Nigel, you did right there, Matthew, you did right there.

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Speaker 26: I couldn't have seen it better myself.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I need that kind of affirmation.

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Speaker 3: A quick text here of oh guys, there's a nine

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Speaker 3: year old Australian coming here to live in the seventies

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Speaker 3: in christ Shot. My biggest complaint to my parents about

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Speaker 3: New Zealand was that it was that animal life was boring.

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Speaker 3: Just bloody sheep, no McDonald's, and I was bloody disappointed

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Speaker 3: the police didn't wear guns like the Yozzie Well.

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Speaker 2: I think there'd be a lot of support in the

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Speaker 2: community up just so police Australian kids think it's cool.

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Speaker 2: And we don't want to bring the crocs over here either,

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Speaker 2: just so they like the animals. But we do have McDonald's,

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Speaker 2: so I'm glad we've got that for you. Now, there

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty to three.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your Afternoon rolls on.

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Speaker 1: Matt Even Tyler Adams Afternoon Us Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be we're having a great discussion here. Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Our number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine

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Speaker 2: two nine two is the text, And here's a message

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Speaker 2: that's come through. I'm a police officer in South Auckland.

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01:07:01,893 --> 01:07:04,133
Speaker 2: I'm regularly armed due to the nature of my work.

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01:07:04,293 --> 01:07:07,213
Speaker 2: I would love in caps a body camera as well.

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01:07:07,453 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 2: It would make it so muchmuch easier to give evidence

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Speaker 2: in court. We have absolutely nothing to hide. But yeah,

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01:07:13,053 --> 01:07:15,533
Speaker 2: as we said before, I think most people, and it

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01:07:15,653 --> 01:07:18,493
Speaker 2: seems from what we're getting through from police officers, most

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Speaker 2: police officers would want body cams. But there is so

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01:07:21,693 --> 01:07:24,813
Speaker 2: much issue around body cams in terms of data storage,

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01:07:24,853 --> 01:07:28,893
Speaker 2: admin and costs and money, and like everything in this country,

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01:07:30,053 --> 01:07:32,653
Speaker 2: we don't have much cash. I think a lot of

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01:07:32,733 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 2: New Zealanders, probably most New Zealands, would like to pump

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01:07:35,133 --> 01:07:37,293
Speaker 2: a lot more money into the police. But every time

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01:07:37,373 --> 01:07:40,773
Speaker 2: we look at doing that, it seems very very difficult

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Speaker 2: because there's so many different areas that need money and

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01:07:44,533 --> 01:07:45,813
Speaker 2: we're a little bit skinned.

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Speaker 3: We certainly are. Wayne is taking a different side to

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01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:52,333
Speaker 3: this one. Getta guys. Police with guns would be far

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01:07:52,453 --> 01:07:55,893
Speaker 3: too dangerous. Police already kill at a far greater rate

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01:07:56,053 --> 01:07:58,213
Speaker 3: than the general population. It will lead to far more

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Speaker 3: innocent deaths.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's statistics. Again. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: that's true or not, but police may or may not.

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01:08:06,213 --> 01:08:08,973
Speaker 2: But there's so much there's so few a police than

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01:08:09,013 --> 01:08:12,933
Speaker 2: the general population, and they are in much more complicated

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01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:17,093
Speaker 2: situations in the general population. So how many people end

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Speaker 2: up dying because of altercation with the polices? You can't

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Speaker 2: relate that to what the general public is doing. It's

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Speaker 2: a totally and utterly different thing.

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Speaker 3: Spot on, Greg, Do you think the police need better

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Speaker 3: training if we're going to arm all of them?

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Speaker 27: Yeah, totally, Like, because I do pistol shooting and we've

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01:08:33,732 --> 01:08:36,253
Speaker 27: got to do at least one shoot a month, so

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Speaker 27: there's twelve shoots every year, there's a minimum, and like

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01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:43,452
Speaker 27: I shoot with a few offices as well. But I'm

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Speaker 27: just surprised that not all of them, but all police

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Speaker 27: should be required to be part of a pistol club.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So at a pistol club, I guess there's there's there's

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01:08:56,973 --> 01:09:00,572
Speaker 2: safety training in that and learning safety and there's also

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01:09:00,893 --> 01:09:04,572
Speaker 2: accuracy in it. But what about the other side of it, which.

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Speaker 27: Is enforces that people have to be from oil with

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Speaker 27: the firearm. They have to have that level of safety

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Speaker 27: and if they don't regularly do it. You know, I

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01:09:15,933 --> 01:09:19,692
Speaker 27: wouldn't trust anybody that doesn't regularly do it. Yeah, even

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01:09:19,772 --> 01:09:22,253
Speaker 27: some of the officers I shoot with. If you're not

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Speaker 27: on your if you're on an off day, you're only

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01:09:24,692 --> 01:09:29,412
Speaker 27: shooting at twenty five meters and they regularly missed the target. Yeah,

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01:09:29,772 --> 01:09:32,572
Speaker 27: that's a stray bullet which will hit something else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's not under under pressure, do you do?

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01:09:36,013 --> 01:09:39,053
Speaker 2: You hunt it all green, and that's just relaxed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 27: And I don't own my own pistols because you can't

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Speaker 27: really borrow my brothers when we go shooting.

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Speaker 2: But how different is shooting when you're actually got a

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01:09:46,812 --> 01:09:50,253
Speaker 2: target hunting as opposed to.

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Speaker 27: And the difference between a pistol and a rifle is

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01:09:54,293 --> 01:09:58,133
Speaker 27: a rifle is far more accurate a pistol, That's what

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01:09:58,173 --> 01:10:00,692
Speaker 27: I'm saying. At twenty five meters, if you're not on

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01:10:00,812 --> 01:10:03,452
Speaker 27: your game, you'll miss so easily.

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Speaker 2: And so you're talking Greg as well about a police

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01:10:07,093 --> 01:10:09,412
Speaker 2: that are going to a pistol, So you'd imagine they

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01:10:09,412 --> 01:10:10,892
Speaker 2: would be at the upper end of.

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Speaker 27: Still, we're doing twelve twelve shoots a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and you haven't been most cops.

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01:10:17,013 --> 01:10:19,253
Speaker 27: Don't even aren't even part of a pistol club, so

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01:10:19,333 --> 01:10:21,612
Speaker 27: they don't even have that amount of practice.

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Speaker 2: And Greg, what do you think of the skills of

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01:10:23,532 --> 01:10:25,812
Speaker 2: the police that you've seen at these pistol at your

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01:10:25,893 --> 01:10:26,532
Speaker 2: pistol range.

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01:10:27,412 --> 01:10:29,293
Speaker 27: Oh, definitely a lot better. I think it should be

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01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:33,692
Speaker 27: mandatory police. Yeah, handling any firearm, they should be part

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Speaker 27: of a club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 27: Not only is that good for the community and for optics,

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01:10:38,213 --> 01:10:40,612
Speaker 27: but it makes them more skilled with the thing they're using.

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01:10:40,853 --> 01:10:43,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if we getting into a situation of the

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01:10:43,333 --> 01:10:46,613
Speaker 3: arm defender squad right and they have very rigorous firearms

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01:10:46,652 --> 01:10:49,013
Speaker 3: training on a regular basis, that is their whole well

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01:10:49,053 --> 01:10:51,492
Speaker 3: they should. Yeah, but that's what you're saying we'd need

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01:10:51,572 --> 01:10:53,932
Speaker 3: to do if we if we routinely arm all police

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01:10:53,933 --> 01:10:57,173
Speaker 3: officers that have to undergo similar training, well they should be.

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01:10:57,213 --> 01:10:59,652
Speaker 27: Part of joined to a pistol club, just like anybody

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01:10:59,692 --> 01:11:02,612
Speaker 27: else that wants to shoot and sit alone people that

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01:11:02,692 --> 01:11:05,732
Speaker 27: are put in a position where they're using it in

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01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:10,013
Speaker 27: an uncomfortable situation that I would think would require it

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Speaker 27: even more.

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Speaker 2: Now, Greg, and so you know, as as a hunter,

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Speaker 2: can you describe the difference between and of course this

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01:11:17,173 --> 01:11:20,973
Speaker 2: isn't really compatible, but it is using a weapon and

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01:11:21,293 --> 01:11:24,452
Speaker 2: a you know, a more practical sense. Can you can

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01:11:24,492 --> 01:11:27,053
Speaker 2: you describe to us the difference between shooting at a

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01:11:27,173 --> 01:11:29,772
Speaker 2: range and shooting in the moment when you're hunting.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, well, even just the adrenaline, you know, like you know,

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01:11:35,492 --> 01:11:37,253
Speaker 27: you're it's a completely different thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, heart heartbeat, heart beats up. Decisions need to be made.

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01:11:44,853 --> 01:11:47,572
Speaker 2: What was what was as a saying we heard about

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01:11:47,572 --> 01:11:49,852
Speaker 2: it before because it buck wild or buck something, oh,

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01:11:49,893 --> 01:11:51,053
Speaker 2: buck fever, buck fever.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, because because of the adrenaline, you'll

1427
01:11:55,173 --> 01:11:57,412
Speaker 27: squeeze off so many more shots than you needed to.

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01:11:58,933 --> 01:12:02,733
Speaker 27: You know, you could miss completely just because of the adrenalines.

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01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:07,253
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's the last thing you want to play.

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Speaker 7: So you think I've got the moment you Oh no, no,

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01:12:09,213 --> 01:12:09,612
Speaker 7: that's straight.

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Speaker 2: I thank you so much for call. But yeah, I mean,

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01:12:12,492 --> 01:12:14,812
Speaker 2: and that's what you don't want. You don't want police

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01:12:15,293 --> 01:12:19,652
Speaker 2: who aren't trained and dealing with increased in general drenaline

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01:12:19,692 --> 01:12:23,412
Speaker 2: rates that will be more than understandable firing off a

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01:12:23,452 --> 01:12:25,652
Speaker 2: lot more shots that than they mean to fire off,

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01:12:25,732 --> 01:12:27,852
Speaker 2: which of course, of course increases the danger.

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01:12:28,013 --> 01:12:31,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, James, you think we'd lose something with arm

1439
01:12:31,612 --> 01:12:32,092
Speaker 3: in the police.

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01:12:33,053 --> 01:12:33,253
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:12:33,293 --> 01:12:36,013
Speaker 24: I think well, when one of those few nations I

1442
01:12:36,093 --> 01:12:41,293
Speaker 24: think worldwide that does not on a regular basis, it's

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01:12:41,612 --> 01:12:45,893
Speaker 24: frontline police in the streets, like Australia or in the

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01:12:46,013 --> 01:12:50,852
Speaker 24: United States, and that's something I think that's always been

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01:12:50,973 --> 01:12:54,772
Speaker 24: something that we're going to be somewhat proud of. Yeah,

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01:12:56,053 --> 01:12:59,093
Speaker 24: and I think we'd lose something in that if if

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01:12:59,173 --> 01:13:06,012
Speaker 24: we had police regularly on a regular basis. But listening

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01:13:06,053 --> 01:13:10,572
Speaker 24: to the other guys talking just now, the gentleman before

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01:13:10,692 --> 01:13:15,213
Speaker 24: me actually made some very relevant points that if they

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01:13:15,253 --> 01:13:18,492
Speaker 24: are going to get to the point where they have

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01:13:18,732 --> 01:13:25,372
Speaker 24: to on the regular basis, they need proper training because

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01:13:25,492 --> 01:13:29,973
Speaker 24: you don't want the situations. Well as in some of

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01:13:30,053 --> 01:13:33,652
Speaker 24: those some of the police forces in the States, their

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01:13:33,732 --> 01:13:35,253
Speaker 24: firearms training.

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Speaker 14: Is a lot to read.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, James. The Police Association Association

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01:13:47,732 --> 01:13:50,732
Speaker 2: vice president Steve, what is an agreement with you? He said,

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01:13:51,492 --> 01:13:54,772
Speaker 2: New Zealand were very proud that police weren't common here

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01:13:55,253 --> 01:13:57,452
Speaker 2: and I would like to think that we didn't get

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01:13:57,492 --> 01:13:59,612
Speaker 2: to a place where general arming was a thing here,

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01:14:00,013 --> 01:14:02,532
Speaker 2: but conceded and that they needed to have the conversation.

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01:14:02,652 --> 01:14:04,452
Speaker 2: He really wanted to listen to people around that. But

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01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:06,133
Speaker 2: I think that is true. That's one thing for the

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01:14:06,213 --> 01:14:09,093
Speaker 2: longest time New Zealanders have had been out of We

1465
01:14:09,213 --> 01:14:12,732
Speaker 2: go overseas and go oh, New Zealand is a peaceful place.

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01:14:13,173 --> 01:14:15,812
Speaker 2: Crime isn't so bad as it is here in Chicago

1467
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:18,732
Speaker 2: or wherever you are. We don't even need to have

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01:14:18,812 --> 01:14:22,052
Speaker 2: our police armed. But the problem is if the reality

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01:14:22,213 --> 01:14:25,012
Speaker 2: changes and we aren't that peaceful place that we wish

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01:14:25,133 --> 01:14:28,053
Speaker 2: we were, and god knows, we all wish we lived

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01:14:28,093 --> 01:14:29,852
Speaker 2: in a country where police didn't need to be armed.

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01:14:29,893 --> 01:14:32,893
Speaker 2: But if that reality changes, then it's pretty harsh on

1473
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:35,133
Speaker 2: the police to be the ones that are still walking

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01:14:35,173 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 2: around in a different world unarmed.

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01:14:37,692 --> 01:14:39,772
Speaker 3: And that was the point that the new Commissioner made

1476
01:14:39,812 --> 01:14:41,812
Speaker 3: that he's just been to eleven months with Interpol. It

1477
01:14:41,933 --> 01:14:44,492
Speaker 3: was a secondment then he's seen some pretty serious stuff.

1478
01:14:44,692 --> 01:14:47,052
Speaker 3: But as he said to Hither last night, it's given

1479
01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:51,252
Speaker 3: him more detail in an open mind about what other countries,

1480
01:14:51,293 --> 01:14:53,532
Speaker 3: how they're dealing with an increase in gun crime, and

1481
01:14:53,732 --> 01:14:55,812
Speaker 3: just the possibility we might need to do the same.

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01:14:55,692 --> 01:14:57,972
Speaker 2: Here on the training front. This is through on nine

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01:14:58,013 --> 01:15:00,093
Speaker 2: two nine two all frontline police are training six to

1484
01:15:00,173 --> 01:15:02,333
Speaker 2: eight times a year with firearms. Most of that training

1485
01:15:02,372 --> 01:15:06,572
Speaker 2: is scenario training with aos leading it, including a vehicle

1486
01:15:06,612 --> 01:15:09,572
Speaker 2: stops and room clearing. You go six eight times a year?

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01:15:09,652 --> 01:15:09,852
Speaker 28: Yeah?

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01:15:09,933 --> 01:15:11,852
Speaker 3: Interesting, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1489
01:15:11,893 --> 01:15:12,293
Speaker 3: number to call.

1490
01:15:12,333 --> 01:15:16,093
Speaker 9: It's nine to three the issues that affect you and

1491
01:15:16,293 --> 01:15:17,532
Speaker 9: a bit of fun along the way.

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01:15:17,772 --> 01:15:21,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty

1493
01:15:21,333 --> 01:15:22,333
Speaker 1: four you talk.

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01:15:22,253 --> 01:15:25,652
Speaker 3: Z be Alex. We've been talking about is it time

1495
01:15:25,692 --> 01:15:28,372
Speaker 3: to arm our police officers? And you think it is time?

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01:15:29,732 --> 01:15:32,772
Speaker 21: I do, indeed, you know. It's the world has changed,

1497
01:15:32,812 --> 01:15:35,612
Speaker 21: as many people have said, and New Zealand has to

1498
01:15:35,692 --> 01:15:39,692
Speaker 21: get out of this brain mindset that are we're so

1499
01:15:39,973 --> 01:15:43,333
Speaker 21: lovely and so can't calm and everybody's kind and we

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01:15:43,412 --> 01:15:45,972
Speaker 21: don't need guns on the police. Well that's absolute bs.

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01:15:47,293 --> 01:15:51,173
Speaker 21: The world has changed. But the reason why called really

1502
01:15:51,293 --> 01:15:53,492
Speaker 21: is listening to all the drivel that some people are

1503
01:15:53,532 --> 01:15:58,053
Speaker 21: putting forward about you can't arm the police and they're

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01:15:58,093 --> 01:16:00,572
Speaker 21: going to be dangerous and this is and everybody give

1505
01:16:00,612 --> 01:16:03,253
Speaker 21: me having guns and what have you. It's as if

1506
01:16:03,293 --> 01:16:05,333
Speaker 21: we're going they think that we're going to say, oh,

1507
01:16:05,412 --> 01:16:08,812
Speaker 21: mister constable, here's your gun right off you go. That's

1508
01:16:08,893 --> 01:16:10,812
Speaker 21: not the way it happens. We're going to go through

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01:16:10,893 --> 01:16:14,732
Speaker 21: intensive training and that'll be ongoing all the time. I

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01:16:14,893 --> 01:16:18,293
Speaker 21: just find some people the things that come into their

1511
01:16:18,333 --> 01:16:21,372
Speaker 21: heads are just mind boggling, so stupid.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's nicely said Alex. But just on the points

1513
01:16:24,492 --> 01:16:27,652
Speaker 3: of the resources and the funding that is going to

1514
01:16:27,692 --> 01:16:30,293
Speaker 3: be needed to get to that point, are you saying

1515
01:16:30,333 --> 01:16:33,132
Speaker 3: we should start that process now that's a worthwhile investment

1516
01:16:33,213 --> 01:16:35,492
Speaker 3: because that is a logical argument that they just do

1517
01:16:35,652 --> 01:16:37,333
Speaker 3: not have enough money to be able to have the

1518
01:16:37,372 --> 01:16:39,532
Speaker 3: body cams and the side arms and the training at

1519
01:16:39,572 --> 01:16:40,012
Speaker 3: this point.

1520
01:16:41,412 --> 01:16:43,692
Speaker 21: At this point, yes, but you know, if we want

1521
01:16:43,812 --> 01:16:45,892
Speaker 21: the police to do the job that we want them

1522
01:16:45,933 --> 01:16:48,412
Speaker 21: to do, then we have to give them the tools

1523
01:16:48,452 --> 01:16:50,133
Speaker 21: to be able to do the job that we want

1524
01:16:50,173 --> 01:16:54,253
Speaker 21: them to do, and that includes side arms and body cameras,

1525
01:16:54,692 --> 01:16:57,252
Speaker 21: and it just needs to be built into the budgeting

1526
01:16:57,412 --> 01:17:02,772
Speaker 21: over the years ahead until everybody, every policeman has those

1527
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:04,452
Speaker 21: tools available to them.

1528
01:17:04,973 --> 01:17:07,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said Alex. Thank you very much for giving

1529
01:17:07,652 --> 01:17:10,452
Speaker 3: us a buzz quick text here. I've been a police

1530
01:17:10,492 --> 01:17:13,612
Speaker 3: officer for over thirty years. All of the concerns people

1531
01:17:13,732 --> 01:17:16,133
Speaker 3: have about the amount of training the public want us

1532
01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:19,213
Speaker 3: to have is not practicable and have police on the

1533
01:17:19,253 --> 01:17:22,652
Speaker 3: street at the same time, there is enough regarding twenty

1534
01:17:22,732 --> 01:17:25,053
Speaker 3: five meters with pistols. That's why we have the M

1535
01:17:25,173 --> 01:17:27,253
Speaker 3: four rifle to give us the distance. That is why

1536
01:17:27,333 --> 01:17:29,972
Speaker 3: you see us with both. Yes, the rifle was safer

1537
01:17:30,253 --> 01:17:34,532
Speaker 3: over distance, but you need the pistol for close quarter incidents.

1538
01:17:34,612 --> 01:17:37,372
Speaker 3: Matt Hutt could have had a chance if we had

1539
01:17:37,452 --> 01:17:39,612
Speaker 3: been armed. Thank you very much for those texts.

1540
01:17:39,652 --> 01:17:41,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a great discustion. I think we all

1541
01:17:41,812 --> 01:17:44,412
Speaker 2: wish we lived in a country, as Police Association Vice

1542
01:17:44,492 --> 01:17:49,652
Speaker 2: president Steve Watts said, that doesn't have general arming of cops.

1543
01:17:49,812 --> 01:17:51,852
Speaker 2: We're quite proud of the idea, but I think also

1544
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 2: criminals are arming up to combat each other and to

1545
01:17:55,053 --> 01:17:58,173
Speaker 2: use on the public. The amount of armed crime is

1546
01:17:58,213 --> 01:18:01,053
Speaker 2: increasing rapidly. It seems to be unfair for cops to

1547
01:18:01,093 --> 01:18:03,772
Speaker 2: face that without the tools they need. But I think

1548
01:18:03,772 --> 01:18:06,052
Speaker 2: we'd also agree if that happens, we need to spend

1549
01:18:06,133 --> 01:18:08,932
Speaker 2: the money to train up the police and also give

1550
01:18:08,933 --> 01:18:11,932
Speaker 2: them the body cameras so we can see exactly what happened.

1551
01:18:12,452 --> 01:18:15,213
Speaker 2: The new police Commissioner Richard Chambers says he has opened

1552
01:18:15,213 --> 01:18:19,492
Speaker 2: a discussion around routine arming of police officers. So I

1553
01:18:19,572 --> 01:18:20,732
Speaker 2: guess we'll watch the space.

1554
01:18:20,853 --> 01:18:22,973
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, a lot of people saying he looks like

1555
01:18:23,053 --> 01:18:25,253
Speaker 3: flesh Gordon, the new commissioner. I think that's a term

1556
01:18:25,293 --> 01:18:26,213
Speaker 3: of endearment.

1557
01:18:26,333 --> 01:18:29,213
Speaker 2: Which particular flesh Gordon from the movie with the Queen.

1558
01:18:29,372 --> 01:18:32,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, the original with the beautiful blonde. Here, he's got

1559
01:18:32,853 --> 01:18:35,132
Speaker 3: striking cheekbones, I would say, our new commissioner.

1560
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:36,293
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll check that out.

1561
01:18:36,372 --> 01:18:38,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that is where we'll leave it for now,

1562
01:18:38,532 --> 01:18:40,812
Speaker 3: because after three o'clock we want to have a chat

1563
01:18:40,853 --> 01:18:43,852
Speaker 3: about cruise shit. So eight undred eighty ten eighty is

1564
01:18:43,853 --> 01:18:44,492
Speaker 3: the number to call.

1565
01:18:44,973 --> 01:18:46,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's lighten things up.

1566
01:18:46,412 --> 01:18:49,372
Speaker 3: WOE two is the teach number. Back in a mow.

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01:18:51,053 --> 01:18:53,972
Speaker 24: That's that's.

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01:18:57,933 --> 01:19:02,092
Speaker 1: Your new home for instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1569
01:19:02,452 --> 01:19:06,293
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk zebby.

1570
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:11,412
Speaker 3: News Talks. It'd be it is six past three RT.

1571
01:19:11,532 --> 01:19:13,933
Speaker 3: Couple of hours. Yeah, on the arming of police, and

1572
01:19:13,973 --> 01:19:15,572
Speaker 3: thank you very much for your calls and text. But

1573
01:19:15,612 --> 01:19:17,772
Speaker 3: we're going to change it up over the next hour.

1574
01:19:17,893 --> 01:19:20,053
Speaker 3: We want to talk about cruise ships. So this is

1575
01:19:20,093 --> 01:19:22,372
Speaker 3: on the back of a cruise line offering a four

1576
01:19:22,492 --> 01:19:25,612
Speaker 3: year trip for Americans wishing to skip Trump's second term.

1577
01:19:25,692 --> 01:19:29,652
Speaker 3: This is Villa vy residents they want or saying they're

1578
01:19:29,692 --> 01:19:33,493
Speaker 3: allowing US residents to skip forward through Donald Trump's presidency

1579
01:19:34,333 --> 01:19:36,532
Speaker 3: and it's a four year escape that is going to

1580
01:19:36,612 --> 01:19:39,812
Speaker 3: visit four hundred different ports and one hundred and ninety

1581
01:19:39,893 --> 01:19:41,013
Speaker 3: six countries.

1582
01:19:41,492 --> 01:19:43,372
Speaker 2: How nazie would you have to be? Are they going

1583
01:19:43,452 --> 01:19:46,132
Speaker 2: to stay off in the twenty four hour news cycle

1584
01:19:46,173 --> 01:19:48,253
Speaker 2: from back home? I mean, do they really think that

1585
01:19:48,412 --> 01:19:51,012
Speaker 2: outside of the world you can escape American politics because

1586
01:19:51,053 --> 01:19:53,253
Speaker 2: it seems to have a pretty big effect on here

1587
01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:54,412
Speaker 2: and we're a long way away.

1588
01:19:54,572 --> 01:19:54,772
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1589
01:19:54,853 --> 01:19:57,293
Speaker 3: Well, I wonder how popular it is because the price

1590
01:19:57,452 --> 01:20:01,453
Speaker 3: is right. They start at just forty thousand bucks.

1591
01:20:01,253 --> 01:20:03,692
Speaker 2: A year, so that's forty thousand dollars American a year

1592
01:20:03,812 --> 01:20:07,532
Speaker 2: for single ocimbacygu cabins for the full four years, so

1593
01:20:07,812 --> 01:20:11,372
Speaker 2: two hundred fifty six thousand dollars with double ocumency and

1594
01:20:11,412 --> 01:20:14,892
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty thousand for it flash. That doesn't

1595
01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:17,612
Speaker 2: seem like a lot. Are you going to be slumming

1596
01:20:17,652 --> 01:20:19,973
Speaker 2: it just to stay away? From America. I mean, is

1597
01:20:20,013 --> 01:20:22,692
Speaker 2: it really that bad in America under Trump? Especially if

1598
01:20:22,732 --> 01:20:25,692
Speaker 2: you live saying in terms of what your political beliefs

1599
01:20:25,772 --> 01:20:28,333
Speaker 2: are that you would rather be floating at sea and something.

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01:20:28,372 --> 01:20:30,013
Speaker 2: It only cost forty thousand dollars a.

1601
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:32,732
Speaker 3: Year in a single man cabin. Yeah, in the middle

1602
01:20:32,772 --> 01:20:36,213
Speaker 3: of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean, just looking at blue.

1603
01:20:37,532 --> 01:20:40,972
Speaker 3: But it had us thinking because cruise a cruise ship

1604
01:20:41,013 --> 01:20:44,692
Speaker 3: holidays have now become a big thing again. They tape

1605
01:20:44,732 --> 01:20:47,293
Speaker 3: it off during the COVID years for good reason, but

1606
01:20:47,933 --> 01:20:50,772
Speaker 3: they are as popular as they've ever been. I've never

1607
01:20:50,853 --> 01:20:52,572
Speaker 3: done a cruise. You have done a cruise.

1608
01:20:53,053 --> 01:20:55,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I look at this, that seems like a

1609
01:20:55,173 --> 01:20:57,772
Speaker 2: floating hell to me being on a cruise ship for

1610
01:20:57,893 --> 01:20:59,973
Speaker 2: four years. I mean, even though it sounds like some

1611
01:21:00,053 --> 01:21:06,293
Speaker 2: quite good places. The Caribbean, South America, Panama, you're in Chili. Oh,

1612
01:21:06,333 --> 01:21:08,973
Speaker 2: they go down to the Antarctic, you go to a

1613
01:21:09,133 --> 01:21:11,772
Speaker 2: carnival and Rio. You might even see a bit of

1614
01:21:11,812 --> 01:21:13,652
Speaker 2: the Amazon River. So you're seeing a lot of the world.

1615
01:21:14,093 --> 01:21:18,173
Speaker 2: But even so, it's what I've found when I've been

1616
01:21:18,213 --> 01:21:21,333
Speaker 2: on cruise ships, and one of them was I was

1617
01:21:21,412 --> 01:21:24,852
Speaker 2: semi working on because I was being a roadie for

1618
01:21:24,973 --> 01:21:28,173
Speaker 2: a band. But and another one I was on just

1619
01:21:28,253 --> 01:21:31,612
Speaker 2: in a capacity of what do you call it? A

1620
01:21:31,732 --> 01:21:34,412
Speaker 2: holiday capacity? And both times I've just felt like I've

1621
01:21:34,452 --> 01:21:38,173
Speaker 2: been stuck in the hotel. You're in the sea, and

1622
01:21:38,213 --> 01:21:39,852
Speaker 2: then when you pull up to anywhere you're going to

1623
01:21:39,933 --> 01:21:43,412
Speaker 2: actually go, it takes so long to disembark. So I

1624
01:21:43,692 --> 01:21:46,053
Speaker 2: just do not understand them. But they're very popular, so

1625
01:21:46,372 --> 01:21:48,372
Speaker 2: there must be a reason why people love them. So

1626
01:21:48,492 --> 01:21:51,732
Speaker 2: I waite hundred and eighty ten eighty why a cruise

1627
01:21:51,732 --> 01:21:54,333
Speaker 2: ship is so good? Please tell us about the great

1628
01:21:54,452 --> 01:21:56,732
Speaker 2: cruises you've been on. But if you've like me and

1629
01:21:56,812 --> 01:21:59,612
Speaker 2: you've been on a cruise and you haven't enjoyed it,

1630
01:21:59,772 --> 01:22:01,492
Speaker 2: like to tear your stories as well. After about four

1631
01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:03,213
Speaker 2: days and one cruise I was on, I just ended

1632
01:22:03,253 --> 01:22:06,772
Speaker 2: up locking myself in my cabin drinking and watching horror films.

1633
01:22:07,732 --> 01:22:09,772
Speaker 2: I just cut take it anymore. And then and then

1634
01:22:09,772 --> 01:22:11,612
Speaker 2: I spend about half a day in the casino. Yeah,

1635
01:22:12,572 --> 01:22:14,732
Speaker 2: I'd go out at night and there was like multiple

1636
01:22:14,772 --> 01:22:17,013
Speaker 2: bars you could go out and do, but they were

1637
01:22:17,053 --> 01:22:19,213
Speaker 2: the worst bars you've ever been to in your life.

1638
01:22:19,692 --> 01:22:21,652
Speaker 2: So I just don't get it. Plus you will put

1639
01:22:21,732 --> 01:22:23,972
Speaker 2: on about one hundred kgs where you're on that boat

1640
01:22:24,253 --> 01:22:26,692
Speaker 2: because there's so much food, because there's so little to do.

1641
01:22:27,133 --> 01:22:29,133
Speaker 3: Three hours on the inter island. There was too much

1642
01:22:29,173 --> 01:22:31,532
Speaker 3: for me after and and a half and like, come on,

1643
01:22:31,812 --> 01:22:33,532
Speaker 3: rap it, let's get to the port.

1644
01:22:33,732 --> 01:22:33,892
Speaker 8: Well.

1645
01:22:33,973 --> 01:22:36,173
Speaker 2: Well, in defensive cruise ships, there's a little bit more

1646
01:22:36,173 --> 01:22:38,692
Speaker 2: to do than the inter Islander. I mean, the entire

1647
01:22:38,732 --> 01:22:41,253
Speaker 2: islander is you know, you're basically just sitting there. I

1648
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:43,293
Speaker 2: mean you can watch movies and stuff. I personally like

1649
01:22:43,372 --> 01:22:48,133
Speaker 2: the Into Islander, but yeah, I mean, what is it

1650
01:22:48,253 --> 01:22:52,093
Speaker 2: about cruise ships. I just can't understand it. The idea.

1651
01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:55,652
Speaker 2: I mean, look, going to these places sounds amazing. The Caribbean,

1652
01:22:56,053 --> 01:23:00,133
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to South American journeys, Panama, the

1653
01:23:00,532 --> 01:23:04,612
Speaker 2: Wonders of the World, chilean Ford's, Antarctica, Carnival and Rio.

1654
01:23:05,053 --> 01:23:07,253
Speaker 2: All this was great stuff. But I'd like to just

1655
01:23:07,333 --> 01:23:10,333
Speaker 2: visit them one off and not have to travel around

1656
01:23:10,372 --> 01:23:13,333
Speaker 2: in the punishing floating hotel. Yeah, and it's never as

1657
01:23:13,372 --> 01:23:15,012
Speaker 2: good as I mean, if you go to a city,

1658
01:23:15,492 --> 01:23:17,892
Speaker 2: you don't spend that much time in the hotel. You're

1659
01:23:17,933 --> 01:23:21,052
Speaker 2: out out of the hotel. But am I missing something?

1660
01:23:21,093 --> 01:23:23,093
Speaker 2: Here about cruises, I just do not get them.

1661
01:23:23,253 --> 01:23:25,932
Speaker 3: Here's my biggest reservation. I've never done a big cruise,

1662
01:23:26,053 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 3: but part of me wants to do the cruise in Alaska.

1663
01:23:28,492 --> 01:23:30,213
Speaker 3: I think, out of all of them, that to me

1664
01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:32,572
Speaker 3: is the most appealing because for some reason, I've just

1665
01:23:32,612 --> 01:23:34,892
Speaker 3: got this fascination with Alaska and it is a beautiful

1666
01:23:34,933 --> 01:23:39,012
Speaker 3: part of the America. But my reservation is I feel

1667
01:23:39,013 --> 01:23:42,973
Speaker 3: it's just for older people. It's not for someone of

1668
01:23:43,133 --> 01:23:46,173
Speaker 3: my generation, as you say, the much hated millennial. I

1669
01:23:46,372 --> 01:23:48,532
Speaker 3: just don't know if millennials love cruise ships that much.

1670
01:23:49,093 --> 01:23:51,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been on one that was a party cruise

1671
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:54,973
Speaker 2: ship and as a result, it sort of had a

1672
01:23:55,532 --> 01:23:58,892
Speaker 2: sort of had a situation. It was basically a call

1673
01:23:59,093 --> 01:24:00,492
Speaker 2: what do you call the someone'll tell me the nine

1674
01:24:00,492 --> 01:24:02,452
Speaker 2: two too? What do you call the brig yep? So

1675
01:24:03,093 --> 01:24:04,692
Speaker 2: it was basically a trunk tank on there for the

1676
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:08,692
Speaker 2: poor behavior. And as we're leaving Auckland, someone you know,

1677
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:10,892
Speaker 2: and deep in the night jumped off one level trying

1678
01:24:10,893 --> 01:24:12,372
Speaker 2: to land in the pool and broke his leg and

1679
01:24:12,372 --> 01:24:14,092
Speaker 2: they had to turn around. So that was a party

1680
01:24:14,173 --> 01:24:16,852
Speaker 2: cruise ship and that sounds all right. No, that was terrible, right.

1681
01:24:17,253 --> 01:24:19,293
Speaker 2: I don't have any problem with the older people on

1682
01:24:19,333 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 2: the cruise ship. I don't have any problem with that

1683
01:24:21,412 --> 01:24:23,732
Speaker 2: at that all. I don't mind that people take a

1684
01:24:23,732 --> 01:24:26,572
Speaker 2: little bit of a while to get down the corridors, bless.

1685
01:24:26,973 --> 01:24:29,253
Speaker 2: Not a problem at all there. It's just the idea

1686
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:32,892
Speaker 2: of being trapped for large amounts of time on a ship,

1687
01:24:33,173 --> 01:24:34,933
Speaker 2: and then when you actually get somewhere, it takes so

1688
01:24:35,093 --> 01:24:36,852
Speaker 2: bleeding long for everyone to get up. You have to

1689
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:38,852
Speaker 2: take a ticket before you get on the boat to

1690
01:24:38,933 --> 01:24:40,892
Speaker 2: get off, or even anyway.

1691
01:24:40,893 --> 01:24:42,013
Speaker 3: You've got some grievances here.

1692
01:24:42,093 --> 01:24:43,412
Speaker 2: I was going to say, don't get me started, but

1693
01:24:43,452 --> 01:24:45,612
Speaker 2: we're about to talk about this, so do get me started.

1694
01:24:45,812 --> 01:24:48,293
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Sell it to

1695
01:24:48,372 --> 01:24:51,452
Speaker 3: Matt and I. Why do you love cruise ship holidays

1696
01:24:51,492 --> 01:24:54,652
Speaker 3: so much? It is twelve p us three. It's a

1697
01:24:54,732 --> 01:24:55,452
Speaker 3: quarter bas three.

1698
01:24:55,732 --> 01:24:59,652
Speaker 2: So there's a cruise cruise liner, a cruise company that's

1699
01:24:59,692 --> 01:25:03,812
Speaker 2: offering four year and two year cruises to get people

1700
01:25:03,853 --> 01:25:06,972
Speaker 2: out of America away from Donald Trump's second term. When

1701
01:25:07,013 --> 01:25:09,173
Speaker 2: I hear the idea of being on a cruise ship,

1702
01:25:09,173 --> 01:25:10,973
Speaker 2: I don't care where you're going for four years. That

1703
01:25:11,213 --> 01:25:13,732
Speaker 2: is my worst nightmare. I've been on a couple of

1704
01:25:13,772 --> 01:25:16,812
Speaker 2: cruise ships, haven't enjoyed it. What am I missing? Eight

1705
01:25:16,973 --> 01:25:18,372
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1706
01:25:18,652 --> 01:25:22,452
Speaker 3: Diane, you love your cruisers, Yes, that's right.

1707
01:25:22,732 --> 01:25:26,932
Speaker 29: So anywhere between the Antarctica or the Antarctic and in between,

1708
01:25:27,133 --> 01:25:32,852
Speaker 29: round the Mediterranean, through Panama Canal, through the sewers, like

1709
01:25:33,372 --> 01:25:35,732
Speaker 29: I reckon, it's a great way to have a holiday.

1710
01:25:36,093 --> 01:25:38,812
Speaker 29: You can either you know, choose yourself if you want

1711
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:41,492
Speaker 29: to mix with everyone else on the cruise ship, which

1712
01:25:41,612 --> 01:25:44,372
Speaker 29: I do, and you get to know the early rises

1713
01:25:44,452 --> 01:25:47,333
Speaker 29: that are out keeping fast and no, it's the only

1714
01:25:47,372 --> 01:25:47,772
Speaker 29: way to go.

1715
01:25:48,572 --> 01:25:50,852
Speaker 2: So, Diane, you're from christych When you go on a

1716
01:25:50,893 --> 01:25:52,692
Speaker 2: cruise ship, do you where do you leave from?

1717
01:25:53,812 --> 01:25:57,652
Speaker 29: Well it depends. See I've left from Auckland, I've left

1718
01:25:57,732 --> 01:26:04,333
Speaker 29: from Singapore, left from Australia, left from your Shire, left

1719
01:26:04,412 --> 01:26:05,892
Speaker 29: from up the top of Norway.

1720
01:26:06,333 --> 01:26:08,052
Speaker 2: Where was the best places you've been? Because you actually

1721
01:26:08,053 --> 01:26:13,052
Speaker 2: sound and a couple of questions, what's the longest cruise

1722
01:26:13,093 --> 01:26:14,372
Speaker 2: you've been on, Diane.

1723
01:26:14,973 --> 01:26:17,852
Speaker 29: Singapore to London that was about twenty three days. That

1724
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:23,973
Speaker 29: was through the Service Canal, India, all around Spain, Gibralta

1725
01:26:24,173 --> 01:26:24,852
Speaker 29: and London.

1726
01:26:25,213 --> 01:26:28,213
Speaker 2: So that sounds that sounds quite good, Diane, because all

1727
01:26:28,253 --> 01:26:30,812
Speaker 2: the cruise ships I've been on is in the Pacific

1728
01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:34,612
Speaker 2: and it's been mainly at sea. But you're the cruise

1729
01:26:34,732 --> 01:26:36,893
Speaker 2: you're going on the ones you sound like, sound like

1730
01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:39,372
Speaker 2: you're spending a lot of time on port? Are you

1731
01:26:39,532 --> 01:26:41,253
Speaker 2: at port? And there's a lot of stops?

1732
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:46,572
Speaker 29: Ah, especially the run to Singapore to London, there was

1733
01:26:46,612 --> 01:26:49,572
Speaker 29: a lot of stops there. And you know, even down

1734
01:26:49,612 --> 01:26:51,932
Speaker 29: in the Antarta you stop there and you know, get

1735
01:26:52,013 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 29: off and do that. But no, you could never be bored.

1736
01:26:55,812 --> 01:26:58,532
Speaker 29: And see, the Alaskan cruises are really good too.

1737
01:26:59,213 --> 01:27:02,053
Speaker 3: Now, Diane, I know you're very well traveled. Are you

1738
01:27:02,173 --> 01:27:04,692
Speaker 3: telling me, honestly, the best way or the best holiday

1739
01:27:04,732 --> 01:27:06,253
Speaker 3: for you, because you've done a lot of traveling in

1740
01:27:06,293 --> 01:27:07,652
Speaker 3: your life, is on a cruise ship.

1741
01:27:08,732 --> 01:27:13,173
Speaker 2: I reckon it's great about Sorry to talk over you, Diane,

1742
01:27:13,492 --> 01:27:16,572
Speaker 2: but but but what about as opposed to just finding

1743
01:27:16,612 --> 01:27:20,812
Speaker 2: somewhere incredible and flying there and staying in a hotel

1744
01:27:21,412 --> 01:27:23,772
Speaker 2: or wherever in the airbnb and having a look around.

1745
01:27:23,812 --> 01:27:25,452
Speaker 2: What is it about being on the cruise ship that's

1746
01:27:25,492 --> 01:27:25,973
Speaker 2: better for you?

1747
01:27:27,612 --> 01:27:27,812
Speaker 8: Well?

1748
01:27:27,973 --> 01:27:30,692
Speaker 29: I think it's you know, different types. And Okay, I

1749
01:27:30,853 --> 01:27:33,372
Speaker 29: go to places too where you know, I go for

1750
01:27:33,452 --> 01:27:35,732
Speaker 29: a few days and you know, do all lands like

1751
01:27:35,853 --> 01:27:40,133
Speaker 29: I don't cruise you know every year and that. But no,

1752
01:27:40,452 --> 01:27:42,972
Speaker 29: anywhere I go on holiday is great.

1753
01:27:43,173 --> 01:27:44,892
Speaker 3: Have you made many friends on the cruise ships?

1754
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:45,293
Speaker 24: Oh?

1755
01:27:45,412 --> 01:27:49,212
Speaker 29: Yes, lots of friends and some have been hard cases

1756
01:27:49,372 --> 01:27:52,892
Speaker 29: here the very first cruise I went on. I still

1757
01:27:52,973 --> 01:27:56,492
Speaker 29: correspond with my friends from America in the UK.

1758
01:27:57,253 --> 01:27:57,973
Speaker 30: And that's over a.

1759
01:27:58,013 --> 01:28:01,412
Speaker 2: Few years so back now, So what about a four

1760
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:03,852
Speaker 2: year cruise? There's a four year cruise too long for you?

1761
01:28:04,812 --> 01:28:06,412
Speaker 29: No, I'd never get bored.

1762
01:28:06,732 --> 01:28:09,372
Speaker 2: It's a big jump from there's some people that can

1763
01:28:09,893 --> 01:28:11,092
Speaker 2: that live on cruise ships.

1764
01:28:11,732 --> 01:28:12,412
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know that.

1765
01:28:12,572 --> 01:28:15,412
Speaker 29: There's that cruise worldship that you know goes around and

1766
01:28:15,492 --> 01:28:18,213
Speaker 29: the cruise I know, if I had the opportunity to

1767
01:28:18,933 --> 01:28:22,532
Speaker 29: go on that, Yeah, that'd be great.

1768
01:28:23,253 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, thank you so much for you call Diane.

1769
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:27,932
Speaker 2: You're really selling the dream there. I've got a shocking

1770
01:28:28,532 --> 01:28:29,893
Speaker 2: thing that I did on a cruise ship that I

1771
01:28:29,933 --> 01:28:32,213
Speaker 2: actually want to want to want to share, which may

1772
01:28:32,293 --> 01:28:35,692
Speaker 2: have tainted me towards cruise ships in general because the

1773
01:28:35,772 --> 01:28:39,973
Speaker 2: level of humiliation I felt about this cruise happen on

1774
01:28:40,013 --> 01:28:40,772
Speaker 2: the first day as well.

1775
01:28:40,893 --> 01:28:42,652
Speaker 3: Was Oh, this is going to be good, This is

1776
01:28:42,692 --> 01:28:44,333
Speaker 3: going to be good, right, it's coming up. I wait

1777
01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:47,052
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear your experience

1778
01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:49,372
Speaker 3: on cruise ships. If you're a cruise ship for netic

1779
01:28:49,532 --> 01:28:50,812
Speaker 3: it is nineteen plus.

1780
01:28:50,973 --> 01:28:52,372
Speaker 2: I hate him, you might love them. I'd love to

1781
01:28:52,452 --> 01:28:52,812
Speaker 2: hear from you.

1782
01:28:57,173 --> 01:29:00,852
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons. Call oh, eight hundred eighty

1783
01:29:00,933 --> 01:29:02,293
Speaker 1: ten eighty on youth talk Z.

1784
01:29:02,853 --> 01:29:04,133
Speaker 3: It's twenty one past three.

1785
01:29:04,293 --> 01:29:07,092
Speaker 2: We're talking about cruise ships. There's a four year cruise

1786
01:29:07,213 --> 01:29:09,452
Speaker 2: that's leaving a mirror. People can stand it for the

1787
01:29:09,652 --> 01:29:15,333
Speaker 2: entire term of Trump's presidency. Sounds cowardly to me. You know,

1788
01:29:15,933 --> 01:29:18,293
Speaker 2: just if you don't like it, then then do something

1789
01:29:18,333 --> 01:29:22,412
Speaker 2: about it. But I said before and that I didn't

1790
01:29:22,492 --> 01:29:23,812
Speaker 2: like cruise ships. But I've got a little bit of

1791
01:29:23,853 --> 01:29:26,812
Speaker 2: a story. I was I was booked on a cruise

1792
01:29:26,933 --> 01:29:30,333
Speaker 2: ship with a band to be there Roadie yep. And

1793
01:29:30,853 --> 01:29:33,492
Speaker 2: on the first day before the first gig. So it

1794
01:29:33,572 --> 01:29:36,532
Speaker 2: was there was a well known band and the cruise

1795
01:29:36,732 --> 01:29:38,612
Speaker 2: people that bought tickets to be on with the band,

1796
01:29:38,732 --> 01:29:40,412
Speaker 2: and where was this cruise going. It was around the

1797
01:29:40,452 --> 01:29:44,412
Speaker 2: Pacific to Fiji, went to Samow I believe, I mean

1798
01:29:44,853 --> 01:29:47,772
Speaker 2: and as well I think anyway, So we were out

1799
01:29:47,772 --> 01:29:49,372
Speaker 2: at sea for quite a long time. But on the

1800
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:52,652
Speaker 2: first day, I, just before the band's first gig, I

1801
01:29:52,732 --> 01:29:55,812
Speaker 2: clipped all the strings off the bass guitar of the

1802
01:29:55,893 --> 01:29:59,972
Speaker 2: bassis to replace the strings. So I clipped them off first,

1803
01:30:00,452 --> 01:30:02,053
Speaker 2: and then I was like, okay, cool, I'll just go

1804
01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:04,253
Speaker 2: to my bag to get the strings to replace the

1805
01:30:05,013 --> 01:30:09,692
Speaker 2: bass strings. And I hadn't bought the bas so this

1806
01:30:09,893 --> 01:30:11,612
Speaker 2: is they were supposed to play on the on the

1807
01:30:12,572 --> 01:30:15,933
Speaker 2: five times and on the day one, i'd clip the

1808
01:30:16,013 --> 01:30:19,052
Speaker 2: strings off, so I was trying to jimmy them together

1809
01:30:19,253 --> 01:30:23,253
Speaker 2: so they could be played. And then and then I

1810
01:30:23,412 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 2: ended up luckily finding some bass strings, was it wasn't

1811
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:29,893
Speaker 2: the right size. It's very complicated from the actual on

1812
01:30:30,173 --> 01:30:33,293
Speaker 2: cruise ship band. And then I actually met a Filipino

1813
01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:35,812
Speaker 2: guy that played in a mental band that that would played.

1814
01:30:35,853 --> 01:30:37,893
Speaker 2: They used to they played and you know, kind of

1815
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:42,612
Speaker 2: like Titanic styles down in the underground where it's all rusty,

1816
01:30:42,732 --> 01:30:44,572
Speaker 2: and they had been so I managed to sort that

1817
01:30:44,612 --> 01:30:47,532
Speaker 2: out about two days in. But I mean I've never

1818
01:30:47,612 --> 01:30:49,692
Speaker 2: felt like more of an idiot. I was like, Hey,

1819
01:30:50,133 --> 01:30:52,133
Speaker 2: you know how I'm supposed to be looking after the guitars. Well,

1820
01:30:53,293 --> 01:30:55,972
Speaker 2: there's no based strings. We've got a problem, and we've

1821
01:30:56,013 --> 01:30:57,932
Speaker 2: got we've got a problem. You've had an idiot.

1822
01:30:58,333 --> 01:31:00,772
Speaker 3: But that stainted your cruise experience, is it? Well, there's

1823
01:31:00,973 --> 01:31:02,052
Speaker 3: a cruise ship's fault.

1824
01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:03,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then I just felt like I was trapped

1825
01:31:03,973 --> 01:31:07,013
Speaker 2: in this floating hotel and I couldn't couldn't get off.

1826
01:31:07,772 --> 01:31:10,293
Speaker 2: So anyway, and then I got some being got candles.

1827
01:31:10,333 --> 01:31:12,772
Speaker 2: Anyway's talk about it's not about me. Who have we

1828
01:31:12,812 --> 01:31:13,173
Speaker 2: got here?

1829
01:31:14,893 --> 01:31:18,372
Speaker 3: We'll go Christine, get a Christine. You've been on three cruises.

1830
01:31:19,412 --> 01:31:20,973
Speaker 5: Me, you know, I've been a far more than that.

1831
01:31:21,173 --> 01:31:25,133
Speaker 5: Oh you could have always played air guitar, you know,

1832
01:31:26,572 --> 01:31:27,013
Speaker 5: Well I.

1833
01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:28,732
Speaker 2: Was pretty close for me having to get on the

1834
01:31:28,772 --> 01:31:29,452
Speaker 2: stage and play.

1835
01:31:33,213 --> 01:31:35,492
Speaker 5: I've just got back from a thirty six day cruise

1836
01:31:35,492 --> 01:31:42,293
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago out of London, across to

1837
01:31:42,652 --> 01:31:48,372
Speaker 5: East coast of New York of US and Canada, back

1838
01:31:48,412 --> 01:31:52,173
Speaker 5: across the Atlantic again to France and back to UK.

1839
01:31:52,812 --> 01:31:55,213
Speaker 2: What was sort of the longest time you spent at

1840
01:31:55,412 --> 01:31:57,132
Speaker 2: sea without going to port.

1841
01:31:58,532 --> 01:32:02,052
Speaker 5: Six days. Yeah, normal normally, and that was going across

1842
01:32:02,093 --> 01:32:06,133
Speaker 5: the Atlantic. But normally in the past I would go

1843
01:32:06,772 --> 01:32:08,892
Speaker 5: no more than two days at sea. But it doesn't

1844
01:32:08,933 --> 01:32:14,012
Speaker 5: bother me now, it's you know, I do well. Last

1845
01:32:14,093 --> 01:32:16,973
Speaker 5: year I did three back to backs out of Amsterdam,

1846
01:32:17,452 --> 01:32:21,253
Speaker 5: which was great, just stayed in the same cabin, same ship,

1847
01:32:21,372 --> 01:32:24,572
Speaker 5: and you know, that was good. And there was an

1848
01:32:24,572 --> 01:32:28,372
Speaker 5: Australian couple there that I met and they were catching

1849
01:32:28,492 --> 01:32:30,893
Speaker 5: up on a lot of the cruisers that had to

1850
01:32:30,973 --> 01:32:33,933
Speaker 5: cancel during COVID and they were doing nine back to

1851
01:32:34,093 --> 01:32:37,293
Speaker 5: backs on this on the cruise ship. What they were doing.

1852
01:32:37,572 --> 01:32:40,532
Speaker 5: They did the ones out of Amsterdam. Then they stayed

1853
01:32:40,572 --> 01:32:43,693
Speaker 5: with the ship because it relocated down to the Mediterranean,

1854
01:32:44,053 --> 01:32:45,772
Speaker 5: so they went and did some more down there. But

1855
01:32:46,293 --> 01:32:49,253
Speaker 5: you know, if money was no object, I'd have an

1856
01:32:49,253 --> 01:32:56,092
Speaker 5: apartment on World Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But the thing is cruising,

1857
01:32:56,173 --> 01:33:00,732
Speaker 5: when you go on holiday, it's no hustle. You unpack

1858
01:33:00,853 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 5: once and that's it, okay. Whereas you know, if you

1859
01:33:03,532 --> 01:33:05,892
Speaker 5: go somewhere else, you sort of you know, oh you rush,

1860
01:33:05,893 --> 01:33:07,772
Speaker 5: you got to got to catch the train here or

1861
01:33:07,812 --> 01:33:11,213
Speaker 5: catch a place there, and you're rushing and unpacking and packing,

1862
01:33:11,293 --> 01:33:13,893
Speaker 5: and well you know, you don't have all that on

1863
01:33:14,013 --> 01:33:14,572
Speaker 5: cruise ships.

1864
01:33:14,893 --> 01:33:16,852
Speaker 2: When you were crossing the Atlantic, did you have the

1865
01:33:16,893 --> 01:33:19,813
Speaker 2: Titanic in your mind? Were you looking out for icebergs?

1866
01:33:20,893 --> 01:33:22,173
Speaker 28: No, but I was.

1867
01:33:22,253 --> 01:33:26,612
Speaker 5: Watching the weather system from Florida. It only came up

1868
01:33:26,692 --> 01:33:28,772
Speaker 5: to just below New York, but we had a very

1869
01:33:28,772 --> 01:33:29,492
Speaker 5: smooth process.

1870
01:33:30,652 --> 01:33:32,692
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point, Christine, that I hadn't thought

1871
01:33:32,732 --> 01:33:35,532
Speaker 2: of that. I guess that's it. You have a base

1872
01:33:36,173 --> 01:33:39,093
Speaker 2: because some people don't like packing. And the thing about

1873
01:33:39,093 --> 01:33:41,412
Speaker 2: flying around and traveling around for different places is that

1874
01:33:41,532 --> 01:33:44,213
Speaker 2: you're unpacking and packing. You've got the admin of booking

1875
01:33:44,253 --> 01:33:46,492
Speaker 2: into the hotel and getting from the airport to the

1876
01:33:46,532 --> 01:33:49,492
Speaker 2: hotel and all that kind of stuff that has taken

1877
01:33:49,532 --> 01:33:51,732
Speaker 2: out of the equation, which which I can see the

1878
01:33:51,772 --> 01:33:52,253
Speaker 2: appeal in that.

1879
01:33:53,253 --> 01:33:56,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but I know it's and you'll learn so

1880
01:33:57,053 --> 01:34:02,173
Speaker 5: many things. I mean, you know I did. I went

1881
01:34:02,213 --> 01:34:05,492
Speaker 5: to fencing classes on one cruise and I did all this.

1882
01:34:05,612 --> 01:34:09,293
Speaker 5: And I always go to on ships that have art

1883
01:34:09,333 --> 01:34:11,852
Speaker 5: galleries because I go to all the lectures there and

1884
01:34:11,933 --> 01:34:14,612
Speaker 5: the auctions, and they always have heaps of champagne free.

1885
01:34:16,612 --> 01:34:22,732
Speaker 5: And I've just received my art roll of things that

1886
01:34:22,893 --> 01:34:25,612
Speaker 5: I bought most only bought one piece of art this time,

1887
01:34:25,893 --> 01:34:29,532
Speaker 5: but I won four, so I've just done unpacked that yesterday,

1888
01:34:29,612 --> 01:34:30,213
Speaker 5: So it was good.

1889
01:34:30,492 --> 01:34:32,692
Speaker 3: Christine, what evans if you go to a particular port

1890
01:34:32,732 --> 01:34:34,972
Speaker 3: in a particular city and you love it so much,

1891
01:34:35,013 --> 01:34:37,173
Speaker 3: you even in the best time, and then you've got

1892
01:34:37,213 --> 01:34:38,572
Speaker 3: to get back on the boat, I mean, and you

1893
01:34:38,652 --> 01:34:40,173
Speaker 3: want to stay at this place? Do you ever get

1894
01:34:40,213 --> 01:34:40,612
Speaker 3: that feeling?

1895
01:34:40,692 --> 01:34:43,133
Speaker 5: But you didn't know, but you've had the opportunity of

1896
01:34:43,213 --> 01:34:45,012
Speaker 5: testing out, so you can go back there later.

1897
01:34:45,492 --> 01:34:48,692
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what about the over indulgement, because I found

1898
01:34:48,772 --> 01:34:50,372
Speaker 2: when I was on a cruise ship, I put on

1899
01:34:50,412 --> 01:34:53,293
Speaker 2: about I reckon ten kgs in about a week.

1900
01:34:54,173 --> 01:34:57,452
Speaker 5: No, what you what you've got to do is never

1901
01:34:57,532 --> 01:34:59,092
Speaker 5: take the elevator, always take the stairs.

1902
01:34:59,253 --> 01:35:02,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, christ Yeah, A fellow, when I was on a

1903
01:35:02,133 --> 01:35:03,732
Speaker 2: cruise ship, all they were trying to do was stuff

1904
01:35:03,772 --> 01:35:06,053
Speaker 2: food into me. Every corner I went round, you go,

1905
01:35:06,492 --> 01:35:08,612
Speaker 2: you'd eat breakfast, and then you go around the that

1906
01:35:08,692 --> 01:35:10,293
Speaker 2: have a barbecue by the pool, and then you were

1907
01:35:10,333 --> 01:35:13,452
Speaker 2: eating again, and then there was lunch, and yeah, maybe

1908
01:35:13,532 --> 01:35:15,732
Speaker 2: that's maybe that talks more to my self.

1909
01:35:15,732 --> 01:35:19,773
Speaker 5: Contry and the Americans seemed to be at every point.

1910
01:35:21,772 --> 01:35:23,692
Speaker 3: Christine, you're great, Thank you very much.

1911
01:35:24,133 --> 01:35:24,412
Speaker 7: Oh eight.

1912
01:35:24,412 --> 01:35:26,973
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1913
01:35:27,053 --> 01:35:31,293
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two Are your cruise ship converts me? Yeah,

1914
01:35:31,372 --> 01:35:32,973
Speaker 3: we know you're not sold yet.

1915
01:35:33,013 --> 01:35:34,572
Speaker 2: Well I've been on two and I didn't enjoy them.

1916
01:35:34,612 --> 01:35:36,572
Speaker 2: But I do like the sound of what Christine's saying.

1917
01:35:36,612 --> 01:35:38,732
Speaker 2: There's she's selling it. She's selling the dream to me.

1918
01:35:38,853 --> 01:35:41,172
Speaker 2: But you know, I just can only talk about my experience.

1919
01:35:41,213 --> 01:35:43,293
Speaker 2: Maybe it's where I went. Maybe you need to go

1920
01:35:43,452 --> 01:35:45,773
Speaker 2: to you know, to the Northern Hemisphere.

1921
01:35:45,933 --> 01:35:48,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, just on the buffet. Are they opened twenty four seven?

1922
01:35:48,812 --> 01:35:50,173
Speaker 3: So if I wake up at three o'clock on the

1923
01:35:50,213 --> 01:35:52,133
Speaker 3: morning and the morning on a cruise ship, I can

1924
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:53,812
Speaker 3: just rock to the buffet and get some food. I

1925
01:35:53,893 --> 01:35:55,133
Speaker 3: don't think so, oh okay, I.

1926
01:35:55,133 --> 01:35:55,532
Speaker 2: Don't think so.

1927
01:35:55,732 --> 01:35:56,412
Speaker 3: I was almost solid.

1928
01:35:56,853 --> 01:35:59,093
Speaker 2: You have your times for your dinners, but you can

1929
01:35:59,133 --> 01:36:01,293
Speaker 2: probably call your your bell boy or come and bring

1930
01:36:01,372 --> 01:36:01,812
Speaker 2: you some food.

1931
01:36:02,412 --> 01:36:04,412
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1932
01:36:04,452 --> 01:36:05,692
Speaker 3: It's twenty eight past three.

1933
01:36:08,772 --> 01:36:12,293
Speaker 15: News Talk said the headlines with blue Bubble taxis it's

1934
01:36:12,412 --> 01:36:13,892
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble.

1935
01:36:14,333 --> 01:36:17,333
Speaker 16: The police minister is hailing the first arrests under the

1936
01:36:17,412 --> 01:36:21,132
Speaker 16: new gang patch ban, which began at midnight. They include

1937
01:36:21,173 --> 01:36:23,732
Speaker 16: an arrest at a wide Oer supermarket and in an

1938
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Speaker 16: Auckland street and among a mob insignia on a car

1939
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Speaker 16: dash in Hastings was seized three minutes after the legislation

1940
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Speaker 16: took effect. The Children's Minister is defending the government boot

1941
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Speaker 16: camp pilot after one of the first ten youths had

1942
01:36:39,213 --> 01:36:44,092
Speaker 16: allegedly committed another crime. The PSA is backing a letter

1943
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Speaker 16: from economists telling the government its spending cuts are harming

1944
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Speaker 16: people and the economy. Police are asking for sightings of

1945
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Speaker 16: a twenty five year old hiker who didn't arrive at

1946
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Speaker 16: the remarkable ski field is planned after tramping the Wyde

1947
01:36:58,492 --> 01:37:03,452
Speaker 16: Creek track near Queenstown yesterday. Sanjeev is of Nepalese descent,

1948
01:37:03,812 --> 01:37:07,772
Speaker 16: wearing beige pants and carrying a backpack. New Zealanders can

1949
01:37:07,812 --> 01:37:12,213
Speaker 16: now make contactless payments entirely on iPhones. In New Zealand,

1950
01:37:12,492 --> 01:37:15,813
Speaker 16: Lorna Jane and Arim Williams are among the first retailers

1951
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Speaker 16: to integrate the tech. The Young All Blacks playmakers set

1952
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Speaker 16: for key role against Italy. See more at enzid Herald

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Speaker 16: Premium now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Raylane. We're talking about cruise ships.

1955
01:37:27,812 --> 01:37:29,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. A cruise company is offering Americans a

1956
01:37:29,973 --> 01:37:33,213
Speaker 2: four year escape from President elect Donald Trump's second term

1957
01:37:33,452 --> 01:37:36,892
Speaker 2: in the White House. So that's four years at sea

1958
01:37:37,492 --> 01:37:39,652
Speaker 2: because you're too much of a coward to face up

1959
01:37:39,652 --> 01:37:42,412
Speaker 2: to what's going on at home. But the wider question

1960
01:37:42,532 --> 01:37:46,652
Speaker 2: we're talking about is cruise ships in general. I haven't

1961
01:37:46,732 --> 01:37:50,253
Speaker 2: enjoyed cruise ships when I've been on them, But as

1962
01:37:50,293 --> 01:37:51,892
Speaker 2: people are pointing out, you've probably been on the wrong

1963
01:37:51,933 --> 01:37:54,492
Speaker 2: cruise ships because people are ringing in and describing some

1964
01:37:54,572 --> 01:37:56,812
Speaker 2: pretty pretty fun sounding trips.

1965
01:37:56,933 --> 01:37:59,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've got to say, all the bad situations

1966
01:37:59,213 --> 01:38:01,372
Speaker 3: that happen to you on the cruise ship is entirely

1967
01:38:01,412 --> 01:38:01,852
Speaker 3: your fault.

1968
01:38:01,933 --> 01:38:04,532
Speaker 2: Met Well, yeah, that's true. Actually, as I said before,

1969
01:38:04,853 --> 01:38:05,973
Speaker 2: there was a mess up and the other one was

1970
01:38:05,973 --> 01:38:08,612
Speaker 2: a mess up. But I'll tell you the best time

1971
01:38:08,692 --> 01:38:10,652
Speaker 2: I ever had on a cruise ship, right, it was

1972
01:38:10,732 --> 01:38:13,892
Speaker 2: the same cruise ship where I was cut the bass

1973
01:38:13,893 --> 01:38:15,372
Speaker 2: strings off the guitar when I was supposed to be

1974
01:38:15,492 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 2: being a rody and looking after the instruments for the band. Yep,

1975
01:38:19,853 --> 01:38:22,933
Speaker 2: I had to find these strings. And I met this

1976
01:38:23,013 --> 01:38:26,772
Speaker 2: guy called Buddy who was a Filipino Kevin. He was

1977
01:38:26,933 --> 01:38:29,492
Speaker 2: looking after our cabin and I talked to him about it,

1978
01:38:29,612 --> 01:38:31,612
Speaker 2: and he told me about his band and he was

1979
01:38:31,732 --> 01:38:35,812
Speaker 2: playing below deck that night. So I got invited down

1980
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:38,852
Speaker 2: to below deck where nothing's flash anymore, you know, it's

1981
01:38:38,893 --> 01:38:40,972
Speaker 2: all sort of loosely painted. But there was a bar

1982
01:38:41,133 --> 01:38:46,652
Speaker 2: down there where Heineken's were fifty cents, and his band

1983
01:38:46,732 --> 01:38:49,532
Speaker 2: played and it was packed with the crew, and that

1984
01:38:49,812 --> 01:38:51,973
Speaker 2: was a raucous night. That was the best night we

1985
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:54,333
Speaker 2: had on the cruise ship that one. And then in

1986
01:38:54,372 --> 01:38:57,012
Speaker 2: a couple of nights later we got snuck down there again,

1987
01:38:57,452 --> 01:38:59,452
Speaker 2: and that was just seeing a different world of the

1988
01:38:59,492 --> 01:39:01,652
Speaker 2: cruise ship because there's you know, in any cruise ship,

1989
01:39:01,692 --> 01:39:05,053
Speaker 2: there's a massive amount of staff on the ship. You know,

1990
01:39:05,173 --> 01:39:07,973
Speaker 2: you might have if there's you know, if there's two

1991
01:39:08,013 --> 01:39:10,012
Speaker 2: and a half one thousand people on the on the ship,

1992
01:39:10,053 --> 01:39:12,572
Speaker 2: there might be fifteen hundred, one thousand to fifteen hundred

1993
01:39:12,612 --> 01:39:15,692
Speaker 2: staff on there. Yeah, so they have great, great parties

1994
01:39:15,732 --> 01:39:17,092
Speaker 2: below deck if you can get invited.

1995
01:39:17,213 --> 01:39:19,532
Speaker 3: That was your Kate Winslet moment. It was so funny,

1996
01:39:19,532 --> 01:39:21,812
Speaker 3: it was Leo DiCaprio and you were Kate winsor have

1997
01:39:21,893 --> 01:39:24,133
Speaker 3: been brought down into the fun section.

1998
01:39:24,372 --> 01:39:26,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I painted Buddy. I painted Buddy like

1999
01:39:26,572 --> 01:39:28,173
Speaker 2: one of one of my French girls as well.

2000
01:39:28,812 --> 01:39:33,293
Speaker 3: Later on in the car, Uh tikes to guys, cruise

2001
01:39:33,293 --> 01:39:35,652
Speaker 3: ships are the worst. No wonder you didn't like it.

2002
01:39:35,772 --> 01:39:38,173
Speaker 3: I would never cruise p and O or any other

2003
01:39:38,253 --> 01:39:39,173
Speaker 3: cruises for that matter.

2004
01:39:39,333 --> 01:39:42,052
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, all right, Quinn?

2005
01:39:42,532 --> 01:39:42,893
Speaker 3: How are you?

2006
01:39:44,013 --> 01:39:44,213
Speaker 22: Yeah?

2007
01:39:44,293 --> 01:39:45,852
Speaker 28: Good mate? How are yourselves go?

2008
01:39:46,173 --> 01:39:46,852
Speaker 7: Good? Now?

2009
01:39:46,933 --> 01:39:49,492
Speaker 3: You're a You're a cruise lover yourself, are you? Quinn?

2010
01:39:51,173 --> 01:39:54,333
Speaker 28: Right? I've done a lot of traveling, got a lot

2011
01:39:54,372 --> 01:39:56,492
Speaker 28: of sharing in the UK and around the world. So

2012
01:39:56,572 --> 01:39:59,972
Speaker 28: I traveled a lot on my own with the grease

2013
01:40:00,093 --> 01:40:02,013
Speaker 28: on my own. Yeah, you want to go to you

2014
01:40:02,133 --> 01:40:06,092
Speaker 28: when you're single and young, and then I got married.

2015
01:40:07,133 --> 01:40:12,732
Speaker 28: The moss is never I sort of travel. So her

2016
01:40:12,853 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 28: brother was working in Paris, so she wanted to go.

2017
01:40:18,732 --> 01:40:21,452
Speaker 28: So I said, I've been to Paris twice, but I'll

2018
01:40:21,532 --> 01:40:24,692
Speaker 28: only go if I go based in Europe. So we

2019
01:40:24,772 --> 01:40:29,693
Speaker 28: did a riverboat cruise from book Areastern roman Or from Romania,

2020
01:40:30,933 --> 01:40:35,852
Speaker 28: through Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and Hungry that was bloody brilliant.

2021
01:40:36,853 --> 01:40:39,333
Speaker 2: I think that sounds amazing, Quinn. My dad did a

2022
01:40:39,452 --> 01:40:43,253
Speaker 2: similar riverboat cruise and those kind of smaller cruise ships

2023
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:46,012
Speaker 2: and has he kept sending me pictures of his feet

2024
01:40:46,492 --> 01:40:48,933
Speaker 2: because the cabin I'm not sure if you were in

2025
01:40:48,933 --> 01:40:51,572
Speaker 2: one of these caverns, but the cabin opens right up

2026
01:40:51,812 --> 01:40:54,213
Speaker 2: so you can see the view. And so he was

2027
01:40:54,492 --> 01:40:56,812
Speaker 2: sending me like hundreds of pictures of his feet, but

2028
01:40:56,973 --> 01:41:00,612
Speaker 2: with amazing views out the window of incredible architecture.

2029
01:41:00,652 --> 01:41:01,253
Speaker 3: Sounds awesome.

2030
01:41:02,253 --> 01:41:02,812
Speaker 8: We saw that.

2031
01:41:04,612 --> 01:41:08,892
Speaker 28: Tessa Balas and Romania up on the Wolves of the Daniube.

2032
01:41:08,973 --> 01:41:13,093
Speaker 28: Brother brilliant when he thought the Romans, it's a wall ago.

2033
01:41:13,612 --> 01:41:15,652
Speaker 21: But then we did this trip.

2034
01:41:16,372 --> 01:41:20,772
Speaker 28: I loved it. Meet some lovely people. There was six

2035
01:41:20,853 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 28: of us having dinner. Two American guys that both been

2036
01:41:26,572 --> 01:41:29,053
Speaker 28: to name the wives and the wife annoy. We all

2037
01:41:29,093 --> 01:41:32,013
Speaker 28: had one thing in common. We could milk a housecow.

2038
01:41:32,612 --> 01:41:33,893
Speaker 3: You could milk a housecow.

2039
01:41:35,013 --> 01:41:40,732
Speaker 28: Yep, the whole six of us. She said, I want

2040
01:41:40,772 --> 01:41:45,692
Speaker 28: to go on a cruise, Pacific cruise. So we were

2041
01:41:45,732 --> 01:41:48,213
Speaker 28: supposed to go next year, but we had to take

2042
01:41:48,293 --> 01:41:54,692
Speaker 28: it because they're stopping them carnival cruises Anyway, I got

2043
01:41:54,772 --> 01:41:58,772
Speaker 28: on this boat two and a half thousand people. I

2044
01:41:58,893 --> 01:42:02,452
Speaker 28: can sympathize with your mate claustrophobic.

2045
01:42:02,853 --> 01:42:05,652
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that that's that was the worst

2046
01:42:05,692 --> 01:42:08,012
Speaker 2: part for me. But I think things like the river

2047
01:42:08,093 --> 01:42:09,973
Speaker 2: crew is that you're talking about that My dad went on,

2048
01:42:10,053 --> 01:42:12,933
Speaker 2: he had a fantastic time, and that's you're seeing a

2049
01:42:12,973 --> 01:42:16,053
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. You're getting off a lot. Although he

2050
01:42:16,173 --> 01:42:20,933
Speaker 2: said what he had a saying, which was in if C,

2051
01:42:21,812 --> 01:42:26,812
Speaker 2: which was not another something cathedral because right, see cathedral,

2052
01:42:26,893 --> 01:42:30,532
Speaker 2: see a lot a lot of cathedrals. But you know,

2053
01:42:30,612 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 2: I love a cathedral. But there's a lot of them.

2054
01:42:32,213 --> 01:42:34,213
Speaker 2: But that sounds like I could handle that. It's the

2055
01:42:34,253 --> 01:42:37,133
Speaker 2: smallest ship you're getting on, you're getting off. You don't

2056
01:42:37,173 --> 01:42:39,772
Speaker 2: have the claustrophobia. You're not out in the Pacific Ocean

2057
01:42:39,893 --> 01:42:43,572
Speaker 2: for days at a time with three sixty degree ocean

2058
01:42:44,372 --> 01:42:47,492
Speaker 2: candles because you've got some burnt in trouble with the

2059
01:42:47,532 --> 01:42:50,293
Speaker 2: band because you clip the strings off. You know, I

2060
01:42:50,333 --> 01:42:51,932
Speaker 2: can see the river cruise being a lot better.

2061
01:42:52,053 --> 01:42:54,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, well this Texas backing up Quinn as well. My

2062
01:42:55,013 --> 01:42:57,372
Speaker 3: husband will never go on a cruise ship, but we

2063
01:42:57,452 --> 01:43:00,333
Speaker 3: did do a riverboat cruise over two weeks. Amazing trip

2064
01:43:00,452 --> 01:43:03,612
Speaker 3: from Budapest to Amsterdam. We both loved it.

2065
01:43:03,853 --> 01:43:06,253
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'd love to do one of those, you know,

2066
01:43:06,293 --> 01:43:08,253
Speaker 2: if I could do anything. And I'm loving the sound

2067
01:43:08,372 --> 01:43:10,492
Speaker 2: these riverboat cruises, and my dad's definitely sold it to me.

2068
01:43:10,572 --> 01:43:13,452
Speaker 2: But I would love to do the Orient Express or

2069
01:43:13,532 --> 01:43:16,133
Speaker 2: one of those trains. I've never been on a train

2070
01:43:16,173 --> 01:43:19,133
Speaker 2: where you sleep overnight. I'd love to do the Trans Siberian.

2071
01:43:19,173 --> 01:43:20,973
Speaker 2: I think that's a lot more complicated now with the

2072
01:43:21,053 --> 01:43:24,532
Speaker 2: current political situation. But one of those trains where you

2073
01:43:24,732 --> 01:43:26,933
Speaker 2: just travel, you sleep on the train, dining cart, you

2074
01:43:27,013 --> 01:43:28,973
Speaker 2: get off in different places. I'd love to do.

2075
01:43:29,013 --> 01:43:31,013
Speaker 3: One of those would be what's what's the Kevin's Light?

2076
01:43:31,093 --> 01:43:32,732
Speaker 3: There are they quite a roomy? I suppose you can

2077
01:43:33,013 --> 01:43:33,572
Speaker 3: get so roomy.

2078
01:43:33,612 --> 01:43:35,812
Speaker 2: I think I think on a train they're pretty unroomy.

2079
01:43:36,013 --> 01:43:39,013
Speaker 2: I think the whole thing's pretty unroomy. I mean you

2080
01:43:39,053 --> 01:43:41,253
Speaker 2: think of the murder on the r T Express, the original,

2081
01:43:41,333 --> 01:43:43,932
Speaker 2: not the Kenneth recent one.

2082
01:43:44,333 --> 01:43:47,412
Speaker 3: Not very roomy, A lot of root easy to find

2083
01:43:47,412 --> 01:43:49,812
Speaker 3: the murderer. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eightier is than

2084
01:43:49,893 --> 01:43:51,532
Speaker 3: number to coo it is twenty two to.

2085
01:43:51,572 --> 01:43:52,492
Speaker 7: Four murder is.

2086
01:43:54,093 --> 01:43:56,452
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred eighty

2087
01:43:57,492 --> 01:43:59,173
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

2088
01:43:59,452 --> 01:44:02,452
Speaker 9: You for twenty twenty four news talk, said b it

2089
01:44:02,652 --> 01:44:08,133
Speaker 9: is nineteen to four. This is news talk, said be

2090
01:44:08,652 --> 01:44:09,653
Speaker 9: breaking news.

2091
01:44:09,652 --> 01:44:12,892
Speaker 3: Yes, and breaking news. A security guard has serious injuries

2092
01:44:12,973 --> 01:44:16,532
Speaker 3: after being stabbed in the neck outside Auckland's Westfield Moreland

2093
01:44:16,572 --> 01:44:19,452
Speaker 3: New markt this afternoon. Police say guards approach a man

2094
01:44:19,532 --> 01:44:23,012
Speaker 3: on Broadway about two thirty pm when he produced a knife.

2095
01:44:23,053 --> 01:44:25,652
Speaker 3: For twenty four year olds in custody. Just repeating that

2096
01:44:25,893 --> 01:44:28,852
Speaker 3: and breaking news. A security guard has serious injuries after

2097
01:44:28,933 --> 01:44:32,213
Speaker 3: being stabbed in the neck outside of Auckland's Westfield Moreland

2098
01:44:32,253 --> 01:44:35,253
Speaker 3: New Market this afternoon. Police guards approached the man on

2099
01:44:35,412 --> 01:44:37,612
Speaker 3: Broadway when he produced a knife for twenty four year

2100
01:44:37,612 --> 01:44:42,772
Speaker 3: olds now in custody. More on that as the afternoon progresses. Yeah,

2101
01:44:43,013 --> 01:44:46,492
Speaker 3: very very sad. We have been talking about cruise ships.

2102
01:44:46,532 --> 01:44:49,093
Speaker 3: This is on the back of a cruise line operator

2103
01:44:49,492 --> 01:44:51,892
Speaker 3: out of the US that is offering Americans the chance

2104
01:44:52,452 --> 01:44:56,813
Speaker 3: to cruise for four years to skip the Donald Trump presidency.

2105
01:44:57,053 --> 01:44:58,892
Speaker 2: Sounds like a bit of a wingy cruise if you're

2106
01:44:58,893 --> 01:45:01,453
Speaker 2: away for four years. Just complaining about the result.

2107
01:45:01,173 --> 01:45:02,612
Speaker 7: Of would be.

2108
01:45:02,933 --> 01:45:03,972
Speaker 3: It was terrible.

2109
01:45:06,173 --> 01:45:08,293
Speaker 2: Get a few people with mega hats joining the cruise,

2110
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:09,253
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting, see what.

2111
01:45:09,333 --> 01:45:12,732
Speaker 3: Haven't Yeah, plenty of tempts coming through on nine to

2112
01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:17,412
Speaker 3: nine two Matt Krue Bars on cruise ships are just

2113
01:45:17,532 --> 01:45:19,772
Speaker 3: the best. My sister worked on a cruise ship for

2114
01:45:19,853 --> 01:45:21,772
Speaker 3: many years and joined her on a couple of cruises.

2115
01:45:21,853 --> 01:45:24,173
Speaker 3: Every night in the crew bar, what a hoop? Yeah?

2116
01:45:24,333 --> 01:45:26,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so lucky to be invited below deck

2117
01:45:26,532 --> 01:45:29,692
Speaker 2: to a cruise bar and a Filipino Metallica covers band

2118
01:45:29,772 --> 01:45:31,052
Speaker 2: was playing it. It was Kirk.

2119
01:45:32,452 --> 01:45:34,213
Speaker 3: Stefan, you've just returned from a cruise?

2120
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:35,933
Speaker 14: Yes I have.

2121
01:45:36,372 --> 01:45:36,532
Speaker 13: Now.

2122
01:45:36,812 --> 01:45:41,012
Speaker 14: Don't think that I'm actually a salesperson for this, but I'm,

2123
01:45:41,492 --> 01:45:43,973
Speaker 14: let's just say, in my latter years over fifty.

2124
01:45:43,772 --> 01:45:46,532
Speaker 2: And it's actually the best holiday I've ever had.

2125
01:45:47,253 --> 01:45:48,452
Speaker 3: Wow, Where did you go?

2126
01:45:48,772 --> 01:45:48,932
Speaker 30: Now?

2127
01:45:49,452 --> 01:45:52,372
Speaker 14: I'll start with we left Auckland, went out for three

2128
01:45:52,412 --> 01:45:55,333
Speaker 14: and a half days. Left on a Friday afternoon about midday,

2129
01:45:56,053 --> 01:45:58,892
Speaker 14: came back Tuesday morning. Now made of mine? I didn't

2130
01:45:58,893 --> 01:46:00,412
Speaker 14: even have any say of it. A maide of mine

2131
01:46:00,452 --> 01:46:03,093
Speaker 14: booked and paid for it, and like months ago, and

2132
01:46:03,253 --> 01:46:06,372
Speaker 14: I eventually paid him off. But so I didn't even

2133
01:46:06,452 --> 01:46:08,293
Speaker 14: have any say he was a good made of mine

2134
01:46:08,452 --> 01:46:10,452
Speaker 14: and I went with it. But look, all I can

2135
01:46:10,572 --> 01:46:13,812
Speaker 14: say is, after listening to what people say, it's what

2136
01:46:13,973 --> 01:46:18,972
Speaker 14: you make of it. Now, I'm actually a muso. I'm

2137
01:46:19,013 --> 01:46:19,612
Speaker 14: an the museo.

2138
01:46:19,853 --> 01:46:20,732
Speaker 2: I've been a roadie.

2139
01:46:21,253 --> 01:46:26,412
Speaker 14: I love bands, and I love partying. And seriously, look,

2140
01:46:27,452 --> 01:46:30,452
Speaker 14: on the first day when they left at about two o'clock,

2141
01:46:30,532 --> 01:46:32,652
Speaker 14: I was about three siders and I was at the

2142
01:46:32,732 --> 01:46:35,412
Speaker 14: top bar looking down over the pool and stuff, and

2143
01:46:35,492 --> 01:46:39,533
Speaker 14: then suddenly they started playing Mark A Rainer and Ymca

2144
01:46:39,652 --> 01:46:41,173
Speaker 14: and all the rest of it. And there was about

2145
01:46:41,333 --> 01:46:45,732
Speaker 14: ten really well we'll say, rather nice looking girls who

2146
01:46:45,772 --> 01:46:47,692
Speaker 14: were dancing. And they were zomber girls, right.

2147
01:46:47,772 --> 01:46:48,932
Speaker 2: They were there for the cruise.

2148
01:46:49,492 --> 01:46:51,812
Speaker 14: So what I decided to do was in my thing,

2149
01:46:51,933 --> 01:46:54,492
Speaker 14: was just jump up and start partying with them. Well

2150
01:46:54,692 --> 01:46:57,932
Speaker 14: without going right into the whole cruise, I just set

2151
01:46:57,973 --> 01:47:00,732
Speaker 14: off just that. It was like a cross between Groundhog

2152
01:47:00,853 --> 01:47:06,092
Speaker 14: Day and Barris Buller's Day Off. That's all I've got. Seriously,

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01:47:06,173 --> 01:47:08,452
Speaker 14: it was so good on water. So we're hearing you

2154
01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:12,732
Speaker 14: guys complaining, like I'm like, what are you for real?

2155
01:47:13,133 --> 01:47:16,452
Speaker 14: Like no, no, no parking, no cars. You had a

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01:47:16,532 --> 01:47:18,852
Speaker 14: thing around your neck where you just you could get

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01:47:18,973 --> 01:47:20,173
Speaker 14: bar service anytime.

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01:47:21,173 --> 01:47:23,892
Speaker 2: So I had a ball. So where are we going

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01:47:23,933 --> 01:47:25,213
Speaker 2: with you out on the Pacific Ocean.

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01:47:26,133 --> 01:47:28,452
Speaker 14: Yep, we saw a bit of like Cape Ranger. You

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01:47:28,492 --> 01:47:30,893
Speaker 14: could actually follow it on the on the TV. But

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01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:32,732
Speaker 14: you know, I didn't spend much time in the room.

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01:47:34,412 --> 01:47:36,732
Speaker 14: It was like it was amazing because it was there

2164
01:47:36,772 --> 01:47:38,732
Speaker 14: were so many bars and you could go from bar

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01:47:38,853 --> 01:47:41,093
Speaker 14: to bar to bar to bar to bar. And I

2166
01:47:41,213 --> 01:47:43,412
Speaker 14: had one of the best times because I was partying.

2167
01:47:43,452 --> 01:47:47,612
Speaker 14: One night at about seven o'clock, I was singing Hotel,

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01:47:47,692 --> 01:47:50,372
Speaker 14: California and I was just at the table by myself.

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01:47:50,692 --> 01:47:52,572
Speaker 14: My mate was getting hit on by someone at the

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01:47:52,652 --> 01:47:55,253
Speaker 14: next table, and a girl came up to me and said,

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01:47:55,333 --> 01:47:57,253
Speaker 14: you should be singing on stage. And I was going, well,

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01:47:57,293 --> 01:48:00,293
Speaker 14: I don't know about that. Sweet and she was actually

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01:48:00,293 --> 01:48:02,572
Speaker 14: a singer in a band. I'll give her a plag

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01:48:02,652 --> 01:48:06,173
Speaker 14: called Still Undecided from Parmerston North. She dragged me up

2175
01:48:06,213 --> 01:48:08,213
Speaker 14: on stage, gave me all the confidence in the world.

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01:48:08,492 --> 01:48:10,572
Speaker 14: We sung April Son and Cuba. I've got a made

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01:48:10,612 --> 01:48:13,492
Speaker 14: of Mine that videoed it Tylie White. When I walked upstage,

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01:48:13,532 --> 01:48:14,852
Speaker 14: the wildest rush you've ever.

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01:48:14,812 --> 01:48:17,133
Speaker 3: Had, I'd go on a cruise with you any day.

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01:48:17,213 --> 01:48:18,692
Speaker 3: Step and you sound like a good time.

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01:48:18,933 --> 01:48:21,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, you take the rip it up approach to cruising,

2182
01:48:21,492 --> 01:48:23,052
Speaker 2: which is not everyone's approach.

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01:48:24,013 --> 01:48:26,132
Speaker 14: I'm lucky, I'm tall, on vibrant.

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01:48:26,812 --> 01:48:27,973
Speaker 22: I you know.

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01:48:28,173 --> 01:48:32,293
Speaker 14: Look, I've been I've been a few different places around

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01:48:32,293 --> 01:48:34,012
Speaker 14: the world, so I can travel and I can talk.

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01:48:34,532 --> 01:48:37,093
Speaker 14: But seriously, hearing you guys say you sat in your

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01:48:37,173 --> 01:48:38,892
Speaker 14: room and watch movies or something, I.

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01:48:39,013 --> 01:48:39,213
Speaker 18: Was like.

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01:48:40,692 --> 01:48:43,133
Speaker 2: Stephen Stiff and I had a great time in my

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01:48:43,253 --> 01:48:45,812
Speaker 2: room watching movies. I watched Dawn of the Dead and

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01:48:46,053 --> 01:48:48,772
Speaker 2: Day of the Dead, good movies. And I watched The

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01:48:48,853 --> 01:48:54,973
Speaker 2: Passion of the Christ and I ordered in a lot

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01:48:54,973 --> 01:48:55,412
Speaker 2: of drinks.

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01:48:56,812 --> 01:49:00,372
Speaker 14: Well, seriously, I made the movie. Seriously, I'm not I've

2196
01:49:00,452 --> 01:49:04,093
Speaker 14: never it was the next level holiday and my head

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01:49:04,133 --> 01:49:06,812
Speaker 14: people coming up to me. My mate was actually, unbeknown

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01:49:06,853 --> 01:49:09,372
Speaker 14: to me, videoing me. Every time I looked around, he

2199
01:49:09,492 --> 01:49:12,013
Speaker 14: was videoing me, and he was sending it back to

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01:49:12,093 --> 01:49:14,293
Speaker 14: the mainland. And by the time I got back, I

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01:49:14,372 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 14: had people coming up to me. But I'll tell you

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01:49:16,253 --> 01:49:17,933
Speaker 14: what I did. When I first got on board, I

2203
01:49:18,013 --> 01:49:19,852
Speaker 14: said a load to a lot of people who looked

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01:49:19,893 --> 01:49:22,372
Speaker 14: like they were good people and they kept coming back

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01:49:22,412 --> 01:49:24,812
Speaker 14: to me. And that's what I'm coming about the Groundhog Day,

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01:49:25,133 --> 01:49:26,452
Speaker 14: So say hello to people.

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01:49:27,093 --> 01:49:28,532
Speaker 9: Look happy and the.

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01:49:28,652 --> 01:49:30,852
Speaker 14: Vibe that I had and the vibe that I got

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01:49:30,933 --> 01:49:32,972
Speaker 14: from back from other people. I was dancing with woman

2210
01:49:33,053 --> 01:49:35,572
Speaker 14: twenty years younger than me, going you party like us,

2211
01:49:35,692 --> 01:49:37,173
Speaker 14: So I was very lucky.

2212
01:49:37,412 --> 01:49:40,052
Speaker 2: Oh there go, Steffan. The love you make is equal

2213
01:49:40,133 --> 01:49:42,372
Speaker 2: to the love you take, or whatever the other way

2214
01:49:42,412 --> 01:49:45,213
Speaker 2: around you. You know, believe in love. What you put

2215
01:49:45,213 --> 01:49:46,372
Speaker 2: out into the world will come back to you. A

2216
01:49:46,412 --> 01:49:47,253
Speaker 2: whole lot of things like that.

2217
01:49:47,452 --> 01:49:48,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's party hard.

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01:49:48,612 --> 01:49:50,652
Speaker 2: And people will party hard with you. There's probably saying

2219
01:49:50,692 --> 01:49:51,852
Speaker 2: out there for what you get there.

2220
01:49:51,973 --> 01:49:54,012
Speaker 3: And when I poo pooed the cruise ships, nobody said

2221
01:49:54,053 --> 01:49:56,492
Speaker 3: anything about Zomba girls and the Macarena. You know, that

2222
01:49:56,532 --> 01:49:58,412
Speaker 3: would have changed my mind instantly if they said that.

2223
01:49:58,652 --> 01:50:02,013
Speaker 2: Well, when I heard the Macarena and Ymca, I thought this.

2224
01:50:02,253 --> 01:50:04,133
Speaker 2: I thought that he was going to be complaining about that.

2225
01:50:04,372 --> 01:50:07,692
Speaker 2: But there's a way you could look at that and say,

2226
01:50:07,732 --> 01:50:10,852
Speaker 2: I think it's a whole our show. But good on you, Stefan.

2227
01:50:11,013 --> 01:50:13,132
Speaker 2: You sound like you have a good time. Yeah, Gary,

2228
01:50:13,253 --> 01:50:15,372
Speaker 2: your thoughts on cruise ships.

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01:50:16,732 --> 01:50:20,932
Speaker 12: Many many years ago, go back Blue Lagoon Cruises. First

2230
01:50:21,013 --> 01:50:24,812
Speaker 12: cruise ever seven days. It was fantastic and right up

2231
01:50:24,853 --> 01:50:27,732
Speaker 12: to today, I've never stopped cruising. We've done about six

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01:50:27,853 --> 01:50:29,452
Speaker 12: hundred and eighty seven hundred days.

2233
01:50:30,452 --> 01:50:30,692
Speaker 7: Wow.

2234
01:50:30,973 --> 01:50:31,652
Speaker 8: One we did.

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01:50:31,893 --> 01:50:34,013
Speaker 12: The longest one we ever did was one hundred and

2236
01:50:34,093 --> 01:50:37,372
Speaker 12: four and we've probably done five seventy five days.

2237
01:50:37,772 --> 01:50:40,012
Speaker 2: Where did you leave on one hundred and four day cruise?

2238
01:50:40,013 --> 01:50:41,253
Speaker 2: And where did you go? Gary?

2239
01:50:42,133 --> 01:50:45,452
Speaker 12: It was a world trip from Sydney back to Auckland.

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01:50:46,173 --> 01:50:49,973
Speaker 2: Oh, God, Sydney back to Auckland via the entire planet.

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01:50:50,732 --> 01:50:54,572
Speaker 12: By the whole planet here the world cruise here was wow?

2242
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:55,893
Speaker 2: And when did you do that?

2243
01:50:56,013 --> 01:50:59,293
Speaker 12: We've done about we've done about four or five seventy

2244
01:50:59,372 --> 01:51:04,972
Speaker 12: five days from from Southampton back through to Hong Kong.

2245
01:51:05,372 --> 01:51:07,212
Speaker 12: That was on Q Queen Elizabeth.

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01:51:07,933 --> 01:51:10,253
Speaker 3: So have you you did you sell your house Gary

2247
01:51:10,293 --> 01:51:11,933
Speaker 3: and you're just going cruising all the time or you

2248
01:51:12,013 --> 01:51:12,732
Speaker 3: still got a property?

2249
01:51:13,652 --> 01:51:13,692
Speaker 25: No?

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01:51:13,893 --> 01:51:14,412
Speaker 3: No, we did.

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01:51:14,692 --> 01:51:17,692
Speaker 12: I'll tell your story of a lot of people very

2252
01:51:17,812 --> 01:51:19,973
Speaker 12: upset because they would have paid Johnny Side more than

2253
01:51:20,053 --> 01:51:22,893
Speaker 12: we did. Right, we actually booked, We actually booked the

2254
01:51:22,933 --> 01:51:25,133
Speaker 12: cruise in my age and next you reading me up?

2255
01:51:25,173 --> 01:51:26,892
Speaker 12: He said, I've got your credit card.

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01:51:26,933 --> 01:51:27,612
Speaker 22: Do you want to book it?

2257
01:51:28,053 --> 01:51:28,532
Speaker 14: I said why?

2258
01:51:28,652 --> 01:51:31,333
Speaker 12: What's the price? He said, it's quar queen Elizabeth seventy

2259
01:51:31,412 --> 01:51:34,812
Speaker 12: five days And I said, oh, don't know about that.

2260
01:51:35,973 --> 01:51:36,492
Speaker 7: When's that go?

2261
01:51:36,652 --> 01:51:38,932
Speaker 12: He said about two months time. They've made a mistake.

2262
01:51:40,133 --> 01:51:42,892
Speaker 12: It should have been twenty seven thousand, five hundred dollars each.

2263
01:51:43,253 --> 01:51:46,532
Speaker 12: So we booked six thousand and five hundred dollars each.

2264
01:51:46,933 --> 01:51:48,572
Speaker 22: So forteen of us did it?

2265
01:51:49,532 --> 01:51:51,612
Speaker 2: Wow? So one hundred and four days as the longest

2266
01:51:51,652 --> 01:51:53,652
Speaker 2: you'l do. We're talking about this cruise here that people

2267
01:51:53,692 --> 01:51:57,093
Speaker 2: are looking on to for four years. Would four years

2268
01:51:57,173 --> 01:51:58,812
Speaker 2: be too long for you on a cruise ship?

2269
01:51:59,053 --> 01:52:03,412
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, I reckon.

2270
01:52:03,532 --> 01:52:06,133
Speaker 12: Seventy five days was just about maximum for me.

2271
01:52:06,812 --> 01:52:09,572
Speaker 3: There we go, Gary, you're a good man, Thank you

2272
01:52:09,732 --> 01:52:10,173
Speaker 3: very much?

2273
01:52:10,412 --> 01:52:10,532
Speaker 21: Right?

2274
01:52:10,652 --> 01:52:12,972
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

2275
01:52:13,013 --> 01:52:14,572
Speaker 3: to call? Well a year convinced you?

2276
01:52:15,853 --> 01:52:17,892
Speaker 2: Well, like I can only go buy my own experience,

2277
01:52:18,053 --> 01:52:19,732
Speaker 2: and look, I pushed back on stuff and I had

2278
01:52:19,772 --> 01:52:22,053
Speaker 2: a great time watching. For some reason, there was only

2279
01:52:22,133 --> 01:52:24,013
Speaker 2: three movies available. This was quite a wee while ago

2280
01:52:24,053 --> 01:52:26,572
Speaker 2: in my cabin, and they were Dawn of the Dead

2281
01:52:28,572 --> 01:52:31,532
Speaker 2: being still a Jack Black movie called Envy, which was

2282
01:52:31,572 --> 01:52:34,772
Speaker 2: pretty funny. I like that movie, ye, and Passion of

2283
01:52:34,812 --> 01:52:37,972
Speaker 2: the Christ. So when I got sucker being out there

2284
01:52:38,933 --> 01:52:42,812
Speaker 2: and on the cruise ship and got and just wanted

2285
01:52:42,812 --> 01:52:45,732
Speaker 2: to get off, just retreated to my room and just

2286
01:52:45,812 --> 01:52:48,933
Speaker 2: got repeatedly ordered drinks and we sat in there and

2287
01:52:48,973 --> 01:52:51,572
Speaker 2: watched those movies on repeat. And look, that was a

2288
01:52:51,612 --> 01:52:54,173
Speaker 2: good time. I could have done that anywhere in the world,

2289
01:52:54,253 --> 01:52:55,133
Speaker 2: but it wasn't a bad time.

2290
01:52:55,853 --> 01:52:59,172
Speaker 3: It is ten to four, the big.

2291
01:52:59,093 --> 01:53:03,213
Speaker 9: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

2292
01:53:03,412 --> 01:53:04,892
Speaker 7: Mat Heath and Tyler Adams.

2293
01:53:05,013 --> 01:53:07,852
Speaker 9: Afternoons you for twenty twenty four used talk.

2294
01:53:07,772 --> 01:53:08,093
Speaker 2: Said, be.

2295
01:53:09,652 --> 01:53:13,772
Speaker 3: We're talking cruise experiences, and Diana, you love the cruise experience.

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01:53:14,772 --> 01:53:18,852
Speaker 30: Oh absolutely, mate, first time Pauler three to you guys

2297
01:53:19,652 --> 01:53:20,373
Speaker 30: in the afternoon.

2298
01:53:20,452 --> 01:53:22,452
Speaker 3: So thank you, thank you, thank you.

2299
01:53:22,692 --> 01:53:22,932
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:53:23,053 --> 01:53:27,293
Speaker 30: No my death for and eye compliments of our divorce settlements,

2301
01:53:28,213 --> 01:53:32,292
Speaker 30: we decided that we would go and visit our father's

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01:53:32,893 --> 01:53:38,012
Speaker 30: home country of Hungary and for the best we decided

2303
01:53:38,853 --> 01:53:41,932
Speaker 30: it was so we decided that we would take a cruise.

2304
01:53:42,692 --> 01:53:46,892
Speaker 30: So we jumped on. We went from Auckland we went

2305
01:53:46,973 --> 01:53:51,213
Speaker 30: over to Amsterdam and then we did the cruise was

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01:53:51,293 --> 01:53:56,972
Speaker 30: Travel Marvel and so those those river cruises. I've never

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01:53:57,133 --> 01:53:59,852
Speaker 30: even wanted to be on one of those ocean going

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01:53:59,933 --> 01:54:02,853
Speaker 30: cruises that sort of freaking out a little bit Titanicus,

2309
01:54:02,893 --> 01:54:10,133
Speaker 30: you know, so I'm a little scared. So the river cruisers, like,

2310
01:54:10,333 --> 01:54:14,772
Speaker 30: they're just absolutely gorgeous to be on. You've got, like

2311
01:54:14,853 --> 01:54:17,852
Speaker 30: the other people have been saying, you can unpack. Once

2312
01:54:18,213 --> 01:54:22,013
Speaker 30: we were there, we had fifteen day cruise and we

2313
01:54:22,213 --> 01:54:27,692
Speaker 30: visited all the countries from that between Hungary, sorry between

2314
01:54:27,772 --> 01:54:32,293
Speaker 30: Amsterdam and Hungary, and we went through three of the

2315
01:54:32,373 --> 01:54:34,933
Speaker 30: main rivers, the Rhine, the main end end up on

2316
01:54:35,013 --> 01:54:38,173
Speaker 30: the Danube. And the thing that fascinated me the most

2317
01:54:38,373 --> 01:54:43,373
Speaker 30: was the locks the rivers. The lots go up and

2318
01:54:43,493 --> 01:54:46,573
Speaker 30: down and they either remove the water or they pot

2319
01:54:46,653 --> 01:54:49,972
Speaker 30: water ri in and one lock was sixty two feet deep.

2320
01:54:50,453 --> 01:54:55,172
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those are so cool. That's been amazing engineering.

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01:54:56,053 --> 01:55:00,253
Speaker 30: Oh absolutely, and like the technology way back in the

2322
01:55:00,373 --> 01:55:04,172
Speaker 30: day when they actually created those was astronomically amazing.

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01:55:04,453 --> 01:55:07,373
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, hey, thank you so much for your call, Diana.

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01:55:07,533 --> 01:55:09,173
Speaker 2: It sounds like a great time. Yeah. I think those

2325
01:55:09,933 --> 01:55:11,852
Speaker 2: river cruises do sound like a great time. I know

2326
01:55:11,973 --> 01:55:15,413
Speaker 2: my dad had a fantastic time on a river cruise

2327
01:55:15,413 --> 01:55:16,013
Speaker 2: a few years ago.

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01:55:16,173 --> 01:55:17,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, so are you finally sold?

2329
01:55:18,373 --> 01:55:18,573
Speaker 7: Well?

2330
01:55:19,013 --> 01:55:21,533
Speaker 2: I started off saying that I hated cruise ships after

2331
01:55:21,613 --> 01:55:24,573
Speaker 2: my experiences, But now all these amazing stories I've heard

2332
01:55:24,653 --> 01:55:26,852
Speaker 2: on one hundred and eighteen eighty, I think I might

2333
01:55:26,933 --> 01:55:28,972
Speaker 2: just have been on the wrong cruises. I think heading

2334
01:55:28,973 --> 01:55:32,052
Speaker 2: off into the Pacific and on a party cruise wasn't

2335
01:55:32,133 --> 01:55:34,213
Speaker 2: my thing. Also, a couple of areas made by me

2336
01:55:34,613 --> 01:55:36,653
Speaker 2: around snipping the strings off a bass guitar that I

2337
01:55:36,653 --> 01:55:39,293
Speaker 2: shouldn't have absolutely and getting some burn near the kinkles.

2338
01:55:39,333 --> 01:55:41,573
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm not right, But I still stand by

2339
01:55:41,653 --> 01:55:44,893
Speaker 2: my claims that this four year cruise are for a

2340
01:55:44,933 --> 01:55:47,693
Speaker 2: company offering Americans a four year escape from President elect

2341
01:55:47,693 --> 01:55:50,253
Speaker 2: Donald Trump in a second term. I think four years

2342
01:55:50,453 --> 01:55:53,413
Speaker 2: on a cruise ship with people complaining about the election

2343
01:55:53,573 --> 01:55:56,772
Speaker 2: results from twenty twenty four, I can't get behind that.

2344
01:55:56,933 --> 01:55:58,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a living nightmare, isn't it.

2345
01:55:58,693 --> 01:56:01,173
Speaker 2: But Diana's River Cruise absolutely I'm in.

2346
01:56:01,413 --> 01:56:04,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic chat. Well, thank you very much for today

2347
01:56:05,413 --> 01:56:08,812
Speaker 3: Tomorrow Friday, which means it's.

2348
01:56:08,772 --> 01:56:11,413
Speaker 2: The Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander.

2349
01:56:11,293 --> 01:56:11,812
Speaker 9: Of the week.

2350
01:56:11,853 --> 01:56:12,373
Speaker 2: Who will it be?

2351
01:56:12,573 --> 01:56:14,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking forward to that. Thank you very much for today.

2352
01:56:15,013 --> 01:56:16,333
Speaker 3: We'll do it all again tomorrow.

2353
01:56:16,653 --> 01:56:20,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have a great time too. Then your

2354
01:56:20,573 --> 01:56:22,493
Speaker 2: great new Zealanders and give them a taste of kiwek

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