1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: News, he'd be political to Jason Walls is with us 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: this evening. Hey Jason, good evening, Jack. So what did 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: you make of the full Darlene Tana sit down interview? 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: You know, it was enlightening in how much we didn't learn, 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: And I know that sounds counterintuitive, but it was a 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 2: bit of an exercise in reading between the lines. The 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: big question is, of course, what happens next, and that 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: was asked, but I don't think it was really answered sufficiently. 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: At present, she's an independent MP as she's resigned from 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: the Greens, or more accurately, she was made to resign 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: from the Greens, but she still remains a member of Parliament. 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: So obviously the question is will she resign from parliament? 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: And her answer was that she's taking advice from EWE 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: and Hapu. She says a lot of people have reached 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: out to her asking her to continue to do the 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: machy that she's doing. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: Now. 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: Just what the machy is remains a little unclear because 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: she's been an MP for all of nine months and 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: spent about half of that on leaves. So essentially she 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: says she's going to be making a decision soon. So 22 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: my read on all of this, it sounds like she's 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: not going anywhere. 24 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: She keeps coming. 25 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Back to the values that she brings to the table. 26 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: In terms of being an MP. She talks about how 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: she was the only MP that could weave Tiamari science 28 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: and politics together, and you don't say these sorts of 29 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: things unless you're digging in for the long haul, which 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: very much sounds like she is now. When asked about 31 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: the timeframe, she said that the ball was in the 32 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: Green Party's court, So it sounds like we're actually in 33 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: line for a bit of a bit of a showdown here. 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: The Greens were extremely against the Waker Jumping Bill, you'll remember, 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: and that legislation allows parties to expel members of parliament 36 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: if they leave the party that they came into parliament with. 37 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: The Green say it's anti democratic and fought tooth and 38 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: nail against it to be introduced and voted into Parliament 39 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: a few years ago. And now they're faced with somewhat 40 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: of a Sophie's choice trigger the Waker Jumping legislation. Expel 41 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: darleying Tana but make themselves extreme hypocrites, or stick to 42 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: their values and have darli In Tanna sitting in Parliament 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: for the better part of two and a half years, 44 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: depriving them of having their own new Green MP coming 45 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: into Parliament. So obviously it's a tough choice for the 46 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: Greens there. But at the end of the day, let's 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: not lose sight of the fact that it is one quote 48 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: MP with no constituents, no mandate at all, holding everybody 49 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: else hostage taxpayer's expense. So she should make the right 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: call herself and walk away from all of this. But 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: it sounds, as I've said, like she's not going to 52 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: do that now. In terms of the Green Party's response, 53 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: it was a very very Green Party response. Ricardo Menendez 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: March said, the planet is burning and wealth in quality 55 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: is growing and we have to fight to for it 56 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: all and Dary needs to remind herself that no one 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: is bigger than the party and therefore the best thing 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: for the collective movement would be for her to move on. 59 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: So they've drawn a bit of a line in the 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: sand here. 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: Jason David Seymour has made his expectations clear to FARMAC. 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: So what he said, it's an interesting one, this one. 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 2: He's basically made public his letters of expectation. Now this 64 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: happens all the time. A few weeks ago, Nikola Willis 65 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: sent about fifty of them off and you just eventually 66 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: find them buried on the Treasury website. Essentially, you send 67 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: as a minister what your expectations are to the ministries 68 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: that you're in charge of. Today, Associate Health Minister David 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: Seymour called a press conference to do it for FARMAC. 70 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: So it's clear that he wanted to put the spotlight 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: on what he was announcing today because he did it 72 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: so publicly. So in the letter and the subsequent press conference, 73 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: David Seymour said that he's made it clear the need 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: for FARMAC to focus on delivering improved health outcomes underpinned 75 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: by robust data in evidence. But here's the kicker. One 76 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: change that I've outlined is that I do not believe 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: it is appropriate to require FARMAC to continue to consider 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: how it can contributes to embedding the Treaty of Waipangi 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: across the health sector, which was the expectations in the 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: previous government's letters of expectations. He went on to say 81 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: that farmac's roles should folkus on serving all New Zealanders 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: based on actual need, without assigning their background as a 83 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: proxy of needs and so obviously there's going to be 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: a lot of pushback on this one. There's going to 85 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: be a lot of discussions. I'll be interested to hear 86 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: what those that are against this have to say against 87 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: this argument, because it's the bedrock of FARMAC. It probably 88 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: should be the fact that everybody gets the same access 89 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: based on need of their access to the medicine rather 90 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: than anything else. So there's a lot about partnership and 91 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: various different objectives in the letter of expectation that he's 92 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: made clear that he's made available now. But of course 93 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: the big news is the treaty of white tonguey stuff. 94 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: Paula Bennett, who is the new head honcho over there 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: at FARMAC, seemed very very receptive to all of this 96 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: and stood up and after Seymour in the press conference 97 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: and said that we will be listening differently and really 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: commended Seymour. So it'd be interesting to see where this 99 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: one ends up. 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: He's going to be with us after five, so we 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: can ask him too. Thank you so much, Jason. That 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: is News Storks. He'd be political editor Jason Walls. For 103 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to News 104 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Talks A B from four pm weekdays, or follow the 105 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.