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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're

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Speaker 1: one of the kind.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I haven't finished with Steve Braunius's scathing review, so

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a little bit more of that later.

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Speaker 2: It's quite the hoot with me on the huddle right now.

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Speaker 2: Morris Williamson and Rob Campbell. Hello you too, Morris? Are

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Speaker 2: you just dying to read this book? Morris?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Hmm, okay what about you?

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Speaker 3: Rob?

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Speaker 2: You've already got a copy, haven't you?

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Speaker 4: I bet no, I haven't. I haven't got a copy.

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Speaker 4: Ye's I'm not really the audience for it. I actually

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Speaker 4: like reading things by people I know I disagree with

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Speaker 4: other them that I probably agree with.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's disappointing.

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Speaker 5: I owed.

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Speaker 2: I was just picturing you wandering down to the women's

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Speaker 2: bookstore on Ponsanbly Road, Rob of Morning and paying sixty

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Speaker 2: dollars for it. Do you think I got ripped off? Rob?

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Speaker 4: Well, all the truth is there is we're I'm by

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Speaker 4: my box. As you probably know, it's a very good bookshop.

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Speaker 4: So let's put in a free ad for them. But

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Speaker 4: I haven't looked for this one there yet.

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Speaker 2: Morris sixty is a lot for it, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say something that'll be a bit

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Speaker 3: of a surprise to you that I actually thought Desinda's

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Speaker 3: first sort of year or so in the job, she

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Speaker 3: It was so toxic and so awful, and if she'd

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Speaker 3: stayed the leader, labor would have taken an even bigger

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Speaker 3: thrashing than they did, a real hero to zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you telling me so? The first year that

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Speaker 2: You like that, did you?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just saying the public light. No.

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Speaker 3: The public like to her, and that's why she got

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Speaker 3: elected in two and twenty with an outright majority. What

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Speaker 3: happened then was that you start to believe your own rhetoric,

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Speaker 3: You think you can do whatever you like. I got

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Speaker 3: a really good example. I wrote to her and said, look,

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Speaker 3: your dreadful buddy, MiQ management is dreadful. People have been

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Speaker 3: stuck for and I said, I've got a computer solution.

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Speaker 3: I can show it to you. You can put it online.

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Speaker 3: People will earn points for every day they're waiting. They

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Speaker 3: when their time's coming. And it was just I got

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Speaker 3: a letter back when I'm saying, not not prepared to.

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Speaker 3: So we ended up with this just ridiculous lottery where people,

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Speaker 5: But some did.

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Speaker 3: Somebody DJA that was a friend of there's gotten three times.

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Speaker 3: It's disgraceful, see Robert, disgraceful the.

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Speaker 2: Thing this has bang on the kind of stuff. I

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Speaker 2: being ridiculous? Wanting that?

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Speaker 4: Oh you to some extent being ridiculous. I mean most

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Speaker 4: Zealand's broader character than as they do about to Cinda Adin.

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Speaker 4: And there are two parties in this thing. We're very

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Speaker 4: a lot of the negatives that flow are not BNY

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Speaker 4: you know, if that carries over, if this book helps

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I suppose we'll just take the wins where

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Speaker 2: you guys shortly.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: All right, you're back with the Huddle with Morris Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Rob Campbell. Morris, how do you feel about the

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Speaker 2: work safe changes?

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think it's fantastic that we're finally getting

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Speaker 3: to recognize what the old paradigm should have always been,

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Speaker 3: and that is safety at reasonable cost and the transport sector.

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Speaker 3: While I was minister, I had to drum that into

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Speaker 3: You've got to try and step the balance point and

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Speaker 3: that safety at reasonable cost culture. Not what the Labor

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the road come thing really is a

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Speaker 4: this actually is not about road safety. It's really an

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Speaker 4: entirely different topic. The main issue here is health and

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Speaker 4: is very, very bad. It's not to say that all

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Speaker 4: a step backwards. You throw the cones in it because

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Speaker 4: But it's a division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe so right that again I disagree.

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Speaker 3: I mean that the road cone it just got to

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Speaker 3: block off traffic and so on. What you have to

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Speaker 2: But I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: But it seems to me work Safe actually has nothing

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the road cone situation that

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Speaker 3: No, I think as the other way around. I think both.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm on the board of Auckland Transport and our

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Speaker 2: Now, it was what I originally thought. Let me just clarify,

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Speaker 2: this was what I What I originally thought was that

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Speaker 2: MZTA was being overly cautious because it was worried about

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Speaker 2: what might happen with work Safe.

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Speaker 3: Correct, and we've already started making a move and organ

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Speaker 3: Transport the chief executive Dean Kimpton's confession and a directive

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Speaker 2: Where we did filtering through Morris because, like I said

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, a lot of the cones you'll

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Speaker 4: Strict with it.

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Speaker 2: Do we pay that as right payers?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you do. You'll pay for everything that occurs.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I keep thinking the whole temporary traffic

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Speaker 2: Ludicrous, right, Okay, so why are they ignoring the government's directive?

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Speaker 4: And you can have cones or you can have no

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Speaker 4: being addressed here, and that's what is happening.

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Speaker 2: Working on the side of the road is a workplace.

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Speaker 4: It is a workplace, but it's a minor one, frankly

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Speaker 4: why they shouldn't be health and safety practices the cones

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Speaker 4: here that you know it, you're sounding like a couple

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Speaker 4: you two carrying on about cones. There's some real there's

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Speaker 4: some real resemble that. Yeah, well you've already admitted that

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Speaker 4: you're on an ORCS and transports, which is causing a

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Speaker 4: bigger part of the problem than anyone else. But the

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Speaker 5: And I'm trying to fix it. There is a series

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Speaker 5: of actions being taken by the new minister which are

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Speaker 5: not increasing the chances of us improving our shocking health

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Speaker 5: and safety record at work. Throwing and quite.

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Speaker 4: Deliberately is a distraction on this and you know it,

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Speaker 4: so now here we are carrying on about it.

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Speaker 2: No, I totally disagree with you, Rob. What is going

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Speaker 2: on is set aside, set aside what you're worried about,

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Speaker 2: which is deaths in the workplace. These guys are changing.

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Speaker 4: The way that that minor little issue.

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Speaker 2: There's now point even trying to argue with you about this.

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Speaker 2: Is it anyway?

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Speaker 5: Water? I just give I got to crack a story

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Speaker 5: for you though.

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Speaker 3: was either St. George's Bay Road or one of them.

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Speaker 5: Who's done all that?

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Speaker 3: It turns out all those cones had been stolen from

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Speaker 3: a work site somewhere in South Orkland and the hilarious

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Speaker 3: trek had come and put them all down Parnell's main road.

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Speaker 2: to the pair of you. Appreciator Rob Campbell, Morris Williams

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