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Speaker 1: Now Nesley has pulled out of a global alliance for

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Speaker 1: cutting methane emissions from dairy farming. The Dairy Methane Action

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Speaker 1: Alliance was launched less than two years ago, and now

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Speaker 1: Nesley has quit. And this has come just days after

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Speaker 1: the Net Zero Banking Alliance basically voted to end itself.

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Speaker 1: Agribusiness expert doctor Jacqueline Roworth is with us on this hijackeline. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: why do you think nesl has done this?

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Speaker 2: Not moving fast enough for them? The alliance has not

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Speaker 2: worked as well as they thought. And remember Neslei's doing

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Speaker 2: some really good work around the world regenerative agriculture, with

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Speaker 2: cropping and with us with New Zealand. Lots of rewards

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Speaker 2: for farmers who are able to cut their methane. So

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Speaker 2: they're putting their money where they're actually getting action. And

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Speaker 2: that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: To me where.

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Speaker 2: Well New Zealand and around the world in America and

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Speaker 2: a bit in Britain through the EU certainly trying to

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Speaker 2: cut with cropping, which is not our forte Well, how

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Speaker 2: is the domestic supply is our good cropping stuff? So

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Speaker 2: with the the export the stuff that they buy, that

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Speaker 2: money is going through from various of the dairy companies

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Speaker 2: to directly to the farmers to encourage them to do

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Speaker 2: ever better. And the farmers are doing ever better, so

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Speaker 2: it makes sense to me to do a good investment.

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Speaker 1: The optics of this are not great, are they though,

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Speaker 1: Because it looks like this they just doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be held to account on methane emissions and their supply chains,

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Speaker 1: which is what this alliance does.

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Speaker 2: But they are reporting, but not through that alliance. And

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Speaker 2: I think there's been problems with the alliance with other

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Speaker 2: companies not doing what they said they would do, so

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Speaker 2: the alliance itself has not been working successfully.

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Speaker 1: So the cost ties with the bunch of leg ads.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's what I would hate to call

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Speaker 2: them legards, but they yes, possibly because they haven't been

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Speaker 2: reporting well and it took them a while to get together.

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Speaker 2: So the reports well about.

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Speaker 1: The X Party, and just as a case and point

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Speaker 1: about the optics, the X Party is looked at this,

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Speaker 1: put out a press release and said this adds weight

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Speaker 1: to the argument that we should pull out of the

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Speaker 1: people or at least tweak the Paris Climate Agreement because

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Speaker 1: all of these initiative, all of these alliances are starting

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Speaker 1: to fall apart.

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Speaker 2: Well, two of them are, but the global.

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Speaker 1: Research there are at least poor Jacqueline, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Globally it is really difficult to do because

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Speaker 2: everything is contextual. But in New Zealand we are doing

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Speaker 2: good work. We are working with some of the big customers.

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Speaker 2: Remember we sell to their slay and that's why they're

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Speaker 2: doing all this encouragement and able to report that they

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Speaker 2: are reducing me then, but for us, being part of

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Speaker 2: the Paris Agreement allows us with the trade agreement and

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Speaker 2: it allows us social license. Can you imagine what it

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Speaker 2: would be like if the farming community actually pulled out

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Speaker 2: of Paris? And remember Paris Agreement does say do everything

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Speaker 2: you can without reducing food production, and we are approaching

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Speaker 2: that point. We've done an awful lot of the things

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Speaker 2: we can do and most countries haven't. So we have

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Speaker 2: the well, we have the high ground at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and we have trade deals.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that assurance is go which is the

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Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people cling to in the

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Speaker 1: Paris Agreement, do you think that that is going to

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Speaker 1: be honored by part signatories to the agreement who we

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Speaker 1: trade with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most countries are still trying to reduce methane and

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Speaker 2: they haven't done the reducing that it hasn't impact on

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Speaker 2: the food production. But yes, it may be that everything

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Speaker 2: changes in the future when people realize that food production

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Speaker 2: is the major goal for the world, given the increasing

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Speaker 2: population and the increasing.

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Speaker 1: In practice, how does it work in practice?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: So we get to the point where because we have

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Speaker 1: talked in the past, Jacklin, I mean here what Economa

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Speaker 1: has talked about culling like fifteen percent of our herd

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Speaker 1: in order to get the numbers down. So how do

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Speaker 1: we in practice? How what happens? Do we go as

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand government does The New Zealand government go, look,

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Speaker 1: we have reduced to the point as far as we can,

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Speaker 1: and the next step is to start shooting cows and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world goes, oh, it's cool, don't

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Speaker 1: shoot them, you carry on emitting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've just been at the SAO Food and Aquacultural

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Speaker 2: Organization meeting in Rome aboutable livestock production, and there is

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Speaker 2: a recognition that we have to keep going with with

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Speaker 2: meat and milk because that's the most sufficient way of

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Speaker 2: people getting their nutrition they need. So for New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: the fifteen percent was really trying to get improved deficiencies,

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Speaker 2: and we are doing that and they data from the

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Speaker 2: milk companies.

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Speaker 1: That's not what I'm asking you. What I'm asking you,

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Speaker 1: how is it going to work? If New Zealand stands

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Speaker 1: up and goes, hey, guys, we've done everything we can

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Speaker 1: short of actually shooting our animals. So are you cool?

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Speaker 1: If we keep all the animals and we're emitting a

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Speaker 1: little bit more than we wanted to? Is the reason

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Speaker 1: we're going to be like that's fine? Or are they

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Speaker 1: going to be out there?

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Speaker 2: I think that then big customers, the Nessleighs, Dunns, McDonald's

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Speaker 2: will say we want your milk because it's lower emissions

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Speaker 2: per quila or product that we want than any other components.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I do think that what will happen? And

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Speaker 2: of course I'm trying to gaze in my gazing in

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Speaker 2: my crystal ball, but they want our milk because it's

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Speaker 2: low emissions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, hey, Jackel, and thank you as all appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. That's doctor Jaqueline Rowe with agribusiness expert and

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