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Speaker 1: We're talking to the lead singer from the Counting Crows.

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Speaker 1: Edam Durrance.

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Speaker 2: I am here, and how are you?

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Speaker 1: S Jerium and I here?

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: How are you so good? Thanks for talking to us,

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Speaker 1: No problem. Where do we find you today?

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Speaker 3: I am in New York City at home.

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Speaker 2: Oh beautiful. I haven't never been to New York. I'd

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Speaker 2: love to go to New York.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it would spoke me as someone from

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Speaker 4: a country with about forty three people in it.

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Speaker 3: It's big, it's it's a small town though, it's a

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Speaker 3: it's a weird big city in that way. It's very

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Speaker 3: uh villagey, very college town lake. Everybody ox and takes

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Speaker 3: the subway.

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Speaker 4: This meeting is being recorded.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, this meeting is being recorded. Jesus, Jesus coming

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Speaker 1: through Strong. Which part of New York? Are you in

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Speaker 1: the meat pecking District? No?

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Speaker 3: I live down in Greenwich Village.

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Speaker 1: Ah, beautiful, beautiful. I've been there. Yeah, it's that's that's

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Speaker 1: a very very cool, cool part of the cool part

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Speaker 1: of the city.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm right on the border of the East Village.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the night for me and I who

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Speaker 1: hasn't been there. That's like, that's like the Ponsonby of

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Speaker 1: New York City, pretty viby, little Adam and be like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell is the New York City doesn't make sense?

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Speaker 1: So you've been to New Zealand before, Adam, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I saw you open for the whole years ago,

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Speaker 1: like a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I always forget about that tour, but yeah we did.

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Speaker 2: You've been touring for so long.

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Speaker 4: Where are some of the coolest places that you've been Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, New Zealand is definitely one of them. I Mean,

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Speaker 3: Auckland's beautiful in its own but I have a friend

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Speaker 3: who has a cattle station up in the Coramandel and

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Speaker 3: I love going up there. It's incredible.

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Speaker 4: That's one of the most beautiful parts of the country

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Speaker 4: of the coramandor I'm actually hitting there ever the.

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Speaker 2: Break, Yeah, it's I can't wait to go back and

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Speaker 2: to question for you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm always interested in this for people who have

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Speaker 1: written massive hits, like how does your relationship So mister

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Speaker 1: Jones is a massive hit. You know you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to play mister Jones wherever you go. That's the way

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Speaker 2: How does your.

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Speaker 1: Relationship change with a song like that, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: you feel about that song now? Is it different than

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Speaker 1: how you felt about it when you first wrote it?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 1: Does? It changes?

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Speaker 2: It come in and out of favor. Is it like

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Speaker 2: a child? What's it like?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it changes the same way your relationship with

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Speaker 3: all your songs do, which is that you know your

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Speaker 3: life changes, and so you look at the songs in

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Speaker 3: a different way. You know, writing a song like mister

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Speaker 3: Jones about dreaming about being a rock star but also

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Speaker 3: knowing it's not going to be what you dream is

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Speaker 3: different when you're kind of just supposing that than it

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Speaker 3: is when it happens, or it is when you've been

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Speaker 3: doing it for thirty years, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like none of them Like, I don't like the song

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Speaker 3: any less. I love the song, but you know, I

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Speaker 3: think of it differently now than I did when I

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Speaker 3: first wrote it, just because specifics of the song. I'm

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Speaker 4: You mentioned that some parts of what you thought being

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Speaker 4: it's actually like. What was the biggest difference from what

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I didn't really know what being famous

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Speaker 3: When the guy says, when everybody loves me, I'll never

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Speaker 3: be lonely, you're supposed to know that he's wrong, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's kind of the thought, and I knew

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Speaker 2: I wrote it.

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Speaker 3: But like, fame is such a weird thing. There's no

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Speaker 3: you know. Like I've often said, fame isn't really something

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Speaker 3: And so that's a big change. Like when you live

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Speaker 3: I was right about that, it was. You know, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't solve all your problems. It just makes you someone

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Speaker 2: Popular for a little while, just gives you a different

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Speaker 1: Are you still getting people camping outside your house off

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Speaker 3: No, thank god, But it's weird. You know, you get

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Speaker 3: they know exactly where I live. I'm glad they're not

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Speaker 2: What kind of things did they send you?

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Speaker 3: You know, they want me to mail them stuff like

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Speaker 3: pictures that I'll sign. They want me to mail them pictures.

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Speaker 3: They want me to give them tickets. They want to

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Speaker 3: know if I've gotten the old dreadlocks saved up. They

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Speaker 1: What are you doing with your time? Most of the time,

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Speaker 1: you're still recording music. Obviously you're touring at certain times,

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Speaker 1: Like how's all of that if that changed over time

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Speaker 2: Not right now?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just got home from eight months of touring,

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Speaker 3: so I'm kind of just trying to relax. My girlfriend's

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Speaker 3: in a play that opens tonight, so I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: see that. I've been helping her run lines, you know,

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm just trying to relax right now

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Speaker 1: Are you wandering around with music and you hit all

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Speaker 3: All the time. But it happens a lot. Sometimes I'm

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Speaker 3: and you know, like right now, I don't really want

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Let Zoe be the star, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't want it to be all about me at

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Speaker 3: the moment. I've still got some work to do musically.

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Speaker 3: We just we stopped in Belgium on the way home,

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Speaker 3: And then there's a re release of Recovering the Satellites

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Speaker 3: back then. We're going back to try and do something

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Speaker 3: with that. So I've got little bits of work to do,

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Speaker 3: it because we've been so since COVID ended. We've been

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Speaker 3: just like on the road so much, and it's you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you do? How do you do that

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Speaker 4: What are you doing between to make sure that you

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Speaker 2: All Right?

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Speaker 3: I sit around a lot in hotel rooms trying to

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Speaker 3: Now that I'm older, I really got to take care

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Speaker 3: But the shows are so cool. Like to me, getting

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Speaker 3: Once I think we've just been doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: And I know that once upon a time you really

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Speaker 1: knew how to send it. Are you still capable of

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Speaker 1: sending it when the situation demands it, you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of you pay, in terms of the partying.

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Speaker 2: Nah, But I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't really care. I think a lot of times

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Speaker 3: you're out there, you just really want to meet girls,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I don't care about that right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm very settled, so I don't really need to do

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Speaker 3: that as much. I got a wine cellar full of

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Speaker 1: I read a really interesting thing about you a while

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Speaker 1: ago that after the release of your debut Counting Crow's

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Speaker 1: album massively successful, that I think this is right, you

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Speaker 1: went you went back and worked as a bartender for

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Speaker 1: kind of a reality check.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Nah?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't for a reality check. It was just less

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Speaker 3: crowded on that side of the bar. I was bartending

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Speaker 3: at the Viper Room for years.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Viproom met Trot.

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Speaker 2: Where have I heard of that?

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Speaker 3: I went to LA and the only people I knew

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Speaker 3: know how to work the register? And I said yes,

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Speaker 3: And Shannon said, well, I gotta go to the bathroom

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Speaker 3: and have a cigarette. Can you just run the bar

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Speaker 3: and I met lots of people. It was just exciting.

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Speaker 3: It was the most star studded place I've ever been

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Speaker 1: You guys have got so many hurts. How do you

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Speaker 3: Me and Immer do it every night right after dinner.

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Speaker 2: Usually is run it on the back of a napkin.

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Speaker 3: No, we got a We got a pile of like

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Speaker 3: one paper that's a list of cover songs that we've played.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who made that list because half the

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Speaker 3: it's a useless piece of paper, I do it on

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Speaker 3: I sit talk about it and we make a list.

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Speaker 1: Well, looking forward to seeing it, Adam when you come

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Speaker 1: down here. Best of luck with everything, and I'm lovely

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Speaker 1: to chat to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, man, I cannot wait to come down.

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Speaker 2: Coming out on