1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,587 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:14,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks, Edblave from the first All Blacks camp of 3 00:00:14,867 --> 00:00:19,227 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four on your home of Sport, Weekend Sport Women, 4 00:00:19,387 --> 00:00:23,787 Speaker 1: Jason Vine and GJ. Gunner homes New Zealand's most trusted 5 00:00:23,867 --> 00:00:25,467 Speaker 1: home builder News Talks. 6 00:00:25,227 --> 00:00:28,587 Speaker 2: EDB coming to your life from the New Zealand Campus 7 00:00:28,667 --> 00:00:32,187 Speaker 2: of Innovation and Sport, wonderful facility in Upper Heart. The 8 00:00:32,227 --> 00:00:34,187 Speaker 2: All Blacks have been using it since Wednesday. They'll be 9 00:00:34,267 --> 00:00:37,427 Speaker 2: here till Tuesday. They fly to duneed And Tuesday night 10 00:00:37,507 --> 00:00:39,907 Speaker 2: for the first test of the year a week tonight 11 00:00:39,947 --> 00:00:42,667 Speaker 2: actually at Forsyth Bar Stadium and Deneedan. We'll have a 12 00:00:42,707 --> 00:00:45,987 Speaker 2: full commentary of that game for you from just after 13 00:00:46,027 --> 00:00:48,427 Speaker 2: seven o'clock next Saturday night, and in fact, Weekend Sport 14 00:00:48,507 --> 00:00:52,387 Speaker 2: will come to you from Dunedin next Saturday and Sunday. 15 00:00:52,427 --> 00:00:54,667 Speaker 2: But for now we're here at the n zed CIS 16 00:00:54,787 --> 00:00:57,947 Speaker 2: and in the office of the General manager, Jamie Taut, 17 00:00:57,947 --> 00:01:00,347 Speaker 2: who join us now. Thanks for giving up your office. 18 00:01:00,507 --> 00:01:01,907 Speaker 2: First of all, Jamie, get a bit closer to that 19 00:01:02,027 --> 00:01:04,267 Speaker 2: Mike so we can all hear you. Nice to see you, mate, nice. 20 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:05,587 Speaker 3: To see you point, it's not looking at a mirror. 21 00:01:05,627 --> 00:01:07,147 Speaker 3: We've both had more year back in the day and 22 00:01:07,227 --> 00:01:07,827 Speaker 3: Pully better. 23 00:01:07,747 --> 00:01:09,987 Speaker 2: Eye sight, so not all good. Look, I think one 24 00:01:10,027 --> 00:01:11,467 Speaker 2: of us was fitter than the other, and I think 25 00:01:11,467 --> 00:01:13,507 Speaker 2: we all know who that might be. But for those 26 00:01:13,547 --> 00:01:15,787 Speaker 2: who aren't familiar with the m z CIEs, a lot 27 00:01:15,827 --> 00:01:19,507 Speaker 2: of people are because it has really turned heads everywhere. 28 00:01:19,627 --> 00:01:22,667 Speaker 2: Can you tell us a bit about the background to 29 00:01:22,747 --> 00:01:25,787 Speaker 2: the development of what is a world class facility. 30 00:01:26,187 --> 00:01:28,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess people in the region will previously know. 31 00:01:28,587 --> 00:01:31,427 Speaker 3: This is the old CIT, the old Central Institute of Technology, 32 00:01:31,827 --> 00:01:33,587 Speaker 3: and it was a thriving campus back in the day. 33 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:36,187 Speaker 3: It was where the local mayor he Wanne Guppy in 34 00:01:36,267 --> 00:01:38,427 Speaker 3: those guys with pharmacy and there's a lot of a 35 00:01:38,507 --> 00:01:40,067 Speaker 3: lot of people went through this doing their sort of 36 00:01:40,107 --> 00:01:43,427 Speaker 3: prodietary programs and things. It was super successful between the 37 00:01:43,467 --> 00:01:45,867 Speaker 3: nineteen seventies and two thousand until it was shut down 38 00:01:45,907 --> 00:01:50,347 Speaker 3: where three polytechs or assembilar institutions merged into one SAT 39 00:01:50,387 --> 00:01:53,987 Speaker 3: dormant for sixteen years before two locals, Malcolm Gillies and 40 00:01:54,067 --> 00:01:55,787 Speaker 3: Kevin Melville, had the brain wave. 41 00:01:56,267 --> 00:01:57,387 Speaker 4: People called it a brain fart. 42 00:01:57,427 --> 00:01:59,307 Speaker 3: Maybe at the time but definitely a brain wave long 43 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:02,587 Speaker 3: term where they've since diversified the campus to be a 44 00:02:02,667 --> 00:02:05,427 Speaker 3: lot of things. It's got commercial real estate over twenty 45 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:08,587 Speaker 3: floors a commercial it's got over four hundred beds of accommodation, 46 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:11,187 Speaker 3: it's got food and beverage putting through over one hundred 47 00:02:11,227 --> 00:02:13,747 Speaker 3: thousand meals a year, and it's got this beautiful new 48 00:02:13,787 --> 00:02:16,107 Speaker 3: sports facility. So it's something that a lot of people 49 00:02:16,107 --> 00:02:17,947 Speaker 3: around the region take a lot of pride in and yeah, 50 00:02:17,947 --> 00:02:19,427 Speaker 3: I'm just grateful to be on the whaka. 51 00:02:20,027 --> 00:02:25,307 Speaker 2: How does this compare to facilities in New Zealand and globally? 52 00:02:26,267 --> 00:02:28,107 Speaker 3: Look, I can say straight up and we're not sounding 53 00:02:28,187 --> 00:02:30,347 Speaker 3: ergant or facetious, but this is a world class facility. 54 00:02:30,427 --> 00:02:32,547 Speaker 3: It stacks up amongst the best in the world. We 55 00:02:32,667 --> 00:02:35,107 Speaker 3: take that from the guys like Scott Wooden and David 56 00:02:35,147 --> 00:02:39,027 Speaker 3: Ball who have played in those other environments. We did 57 00:02:39,027 --> 00:02:41,747 Speaker 3: a lot of work early doors with our foundation membership 58 00:02:41,787 --> 00:02:43,627 Speaker 3: group to make sure that we got what they wanted, 59 00:02:44,067 --> 00:02:46,707 Speaker 3: but equally we went out to the world and luckily 60 00:02:46,787 --> 00:02:49,547 Speaker 3: En I've had input from thirty five international teams. We 61 00:02:49,627 --> 00:02:53,347 Speaker 3: had Paris, Saint Germain, Man, United New York Giants, Shyinki's 62 00:02:53,427 --> 00:02:56,587 Speaker 3: necks or fill out a facility matrix for us looking 63 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:59,547 Speaker 3: at what world class look like. And it didn't mean 64 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:02,547 Speaker 3: that we took all those ideas and tried to include them. 65 00:03:02,907 --> 00:03:05,027 Speaker 3: The New York Giants is probably one of the most 66 00:03:05,027 --> 00:03:08,067 Speaker 3: beautiful facilities I've seen, but it's not who we are. 67 00:03:08,307 --> 00:03:11,227 Speaker 3: They exercise for two seconds at a time. It's ninety 68 00:03:11,307 --> 00:03:14,307 Speaker 3: male athletes. They're one hundred and fifty kilos each, and 69 00:03:14,387 --> 00:03:17,947 Speaker 3: it's one sport. We're dealing with the female Phoenix player 70 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:21,387 Speaker 3: who's fifty five sixty five kilos. We've got athletes running 71 00:03:21,427 --> 00:03:23,707 Speaker 3: for eighty to ninety minutes at a time, and we're 72 00:03:23,747 --> 00:03:26,987 Speaker 3: dealing with multiple codes. So it's a very different facility. 73 00:03:27,027 --> 00:03:28,547 Speaker 3: And some of the sports you thought we might not 74 00:03:28,707 --> 00:03:30,787 Speaker 3: learn much from, we've learned a lot. Like the UFC, 75 00:03:31,027 --> 00:03:33,827 Speaker 3: we learned lots about how we connect people, having those 76 00:03:33,867 --> 00:03:37,867 Speaker 3: impromptu conversations, reducing time on feet, looking for those sort 77 00:03:37,867 --> 00:03:38,507 Speaker 3: of efficiencies. 78 00:03:39,107 --> 00:03:41,747 Speaker 2: What are the main features? Again, for those who aren't 79 00:03:41,747 --> 00:03:44,147 Speaker 2: familiar with the complex, what are the main features? Tell 80 00:03:44,227 --> 00:03:46,907 Speaker 2: us about the main facilities. For example, the all Blacks 81 00:03:46,947 --> 00:03:48,387 Speaker 2: are taking advantage of this week. 82 00:03:48,667 --> 00:03:51,467 Speaker 3: I think size and flexibility is probably the two biggest features. 83 00:03:51,787 --> 00:03:55,627 Speaker 3: We've got plenty of space eighteen hectare campus. We don't 84 00:03:55,667 --> 00:03:58,227 Speaker 3: try and fill up every corner. The gym is a 85 00:03:58,307 --> 00:04:00,347 Speaker 3: thousand square meters, but we leave plenty of free space 86 00:04:00,427 --> 00:04:03,147 Speaker 3: for training. There's a beautiful big green room out here 87 00:04:03,827 --> 00:04:05,987 Speaker 3: to the side of us. It's seventy meters by fifty. 88 00:04:06,587 --> 00:04:08,827 Speaker 3: Having that capacity to get in get your clarity work 89 00:04:08,867 --> 00:04:11,427 Speaker 3: done early in the week. We've spent a lot of 90 00:04:11,787 --> 00:04:14,347 Speaker 3: time and mail and cave a lot of money putting 91 00:04:14,347 --> 00:04:17,747 Speaker 3: in the technology backbone, which enables us to capture footage 92 00:04:17,747 --> 00:04:21,227 Speaker 3: in real time, analyze it instantaneously, provide feedback and you 93 00:04:21,307 --> 00:04:24,747 Speaker 3: see the athletes really benefit from a lot of self coaching. 94 00:04:24,947 --> 00:04:26,987 Speaker 3: They can identify their own mistakes in real time up 95 00:04:27,027 --> 00:04:30,147 Speaker 3: on the screens and they can react and adjust. Look, 96 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:32,347 Speaker 3: we're super proud of some world first we've achieved here. 97 00:04:32,947 --> 00:04:35,627 Speaker 3: We've got the biggest interactive. 98 00:04:35,227 --> 00:04:35,907 Speaker 4: Screen in the world. 99 00:04:35,987 --> 00:04:37,947 Speaker 3: It's two and a half times bigger than anything that's 100 00:04:37,987 --> 00:04:40,307 Speaker 3: been built before. You can play darts, you can play 101 00:04:40,347 --> 00:04:43,347 Speaker 3: Connect four. Everyone loves games. No matter how old you are. 102 00:04:43,427 --> 00:04:45,547 Speaker 4: People like to play. Creates that sense of competition. 103 00:04:45,787 --> 00:04:49,307 Speaker 3: Competition leads to intensity we've got beautiful big plunge pools. 104 00:04:49,427 --> 00:04:52,947 Speaker 3: We've installed a three hundred kilo accessibility hoist across all 105 00:04:52,987 --> 00:04:55,347 Speaker 3: the pools, and again something that hadn't been done to 106 00:04:55,467 --> 00:04:59,547 Speaker 3: connect four aquatic environments and two dry leend environments. We've 107 00:04:59,587 --> 00:05:02,467 Speaker 3: got a massive altitude chamber. It's one hundred and thirty 108 00:05:02,627 --> 00:05:05,627 Speaker 3: square meters. It means we can put forty white bikes 109 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:08,267 Speaker 3: in there at a time. Every athlete can go for gold. 110 00:05:08,427 --> 00:05:10,147 Speaker 3: We can get it up to three thousand meters tour 111 00:05:10,187 --> 00:05:13,187 Speaker 3: to France starting tonight, so we can replicate those types 112 00:05:13,227 --> 00:05:16,427 Speaker 3: of conditions to the athletes to benefit from. And probably 113 00:05:16,467 --> 00:05:19,427 Speaker 3: the other single point of difference is having the accommodation 114 00:05:19,547 --> 00:05:22,147 Speaker 3: on site, and it just leads to a whole bunch 115 00:05:22,307 --> 00:05:24,987 Speaker 3: less stress during your day for the athlete. They can 116 00:05:25,027 --> 00:05:26,787 Speaker 3: get up, they can walk to their first session, they 117 00:05:26,827 --> 00:05:29,027 Speaker 3: can recovery here, they can walk back. It's just missing 118 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:31,707 Speaker 3: out on all that time on feetur time on buses. 119 00:05:32,227 --> 00:05:34,667 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think yeah, Razor even made that point. 120 00:05:34,827 --> 00:05:37,787 Speaker 2: You know, to go from one place to another doesn't 121 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:39,827 Speaker 2: take a bus, It just takes a two minute walk. 122 00:05:40,187 --> 00:05:42,267 Speaker 2: Two of your tenants are the Hurricanes and the Phoenix. 123 00:05:42,307 --> 00:05:44,227 Speaker 2: If we just look at the men's teams just for 124 00:05:45,627 --> 00:05:49,627 Speaker 2: this question. Hurricanes made the semi finals, Phoenix made the 125 00:05:49,667 --> 00:05:53,707 Speaker 2: semi finals. Are you able to in any way assess 126 00:05:54,547 --> 00:05:57,227 Speaker 2: how important being here was to their success? 127 00:05:57,947 --> 00:06:00,867 Speaker 4: I think both teams probably took a good twelve months 128 00:06:00,907 --> 00:06:02,227 Speaker 4: to work out. How you live in your house. 129 00:06:02,747 --> 00:06:04,427 Speaker 3: It's seat of like when you move in, you sort 130 00:06:04,427 --> 00:06:06,787 Speaker 3: of work out where the powerpoints are and how you 131 00:06:06,827 --> 00:06:08,747 Speaker 3: use each room, where you want your furniture, And to 132 00:06:09,347 --> 00:06:11,347 Speaker 3: a lesser degree, that's what I think we saw with 133 00:06:11,387 --> 00:06:14,827 Speaker 3: the Hurricanes and the Phoenix. But to use Mike Cron's analogy, 134 00:06:15,027 --> 00:06:17,067 Speaker 3: Krona always talked about having cattle on your farm being 135 00:06:17,107 --> 00:06:18,427 Speaker 3: the athletes having the right cattle. 136 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:20,627 Speaker 4: Well, I think we've now got an awesome farm. 137 00:06:21,027 --> 00:06:24,347 Speaker 3: You've got Chief and Clark just great farmers and all 138 00:06:24,387 --> 00:06:27,187 Speaker 3: their support staff, and then their cattle on the farm 139 00:06:27,227 --> 00:06:29,067 Speaker 3: being the athletes. But to look at it another way, 140 00:06:29,267 --> 00:06:31,107 Speaker 3: you could say that a whole bunch of things have 141 00:06:31,187 --> 00:06:33,467 Speaker 3: actually come together to multiply out. So we've got one 142 00:06:33,547 --> 00:06:36,387 Speaker 3: plus one as now equally three, and it's sort of 143 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:39,747 Speaker 3: just finding that recipe how things work together. And it's 144 00:06:39,907 --> 00:06:42,467 Speaker 3: not just the shiny toys it's all the stuff that 145 00:06:42,507 --> 00:06:45,867 Speaker 3: sits behind it, building that culture, the connection element, and 146 00:06:46,147 --> 00:06:47,827 Speaker 3: as a facility, we've worked really hard on that as 147 00:06:47,867 --> 00:06:49,427 Speaker 3: well to try and get that connection element right. 148 00:06:49,867 --> 00:06:53,587 Speaker 2: You're the venue as well for the official All Blacks 149 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:57,667 Speaker 2: launch on Wednesday, which was a really terrific ceremony, I 150 00:06:57,707 --> 00:07:01,547 Speaker 2: have to say, involving kids from six local schools, the players, 151 00:07:02,107 --> 00:07:05,307 Speaker 2: others associated with the game, dignitaries, a lot of people 152 00:07:05,347 --> 00:07:08,747 Speaker 2: who have a vested interest in this place. How special 153 00:07:08,747 --> 00:07:09,227 Speaker 2: a day was. 154 00:07:09,227 --> 00:07:09,547 Speaker 1: That for you? 155 00:07:10,787 --> 00:07:12,627 Speaker 3: Look, we're extremely proud a lot of people on the 156 00:07:12,667 --> 00:07:14,987 Speaker 3: whaka here and you look at that event and it's 157 00:07:15,267 --> 00:07:17,187 Speaker 3: a combination of a lot of things leading up to it. 158 00:07:18,587 --> 00:07:20,947 Speaker 3: We're proud to welcome all our international guests. We were 159 00:07:20,987 --> 00:07:22,907 Speaker 3: super proud when we had the wheelchair rugby here at 160 00:07:22,947 --> 00:07:23,547 Speaker 3: the start of the year. 161 00:07:23,547 --> 00:07:24,747 Speaker 4: That was special as well. 162 00:07:25,307 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 3: But when we stand up there and it sort of 163 00:07:27,347 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 3: resonates that you've created a facility that the types of 164 00:07:30,107 --> 00:07:32,307 Speaker 3: teams like the All Blacks want to use and want 165 00:07:32,347 --> 00:07:35,507 Speaker 3: to be based here for their first camp, it is special. 166 00:07:35,587 --> 00:07:36,747 Speaker 4: It is really special for everyone. 167 00:07:37,107 --> 00:07:41,707 Speaker 2: Tell us about the special rope. I'm going to get 168 00:07:41,707 --> 00:07:44,467 Speaker 2: the word wording wrong yet, but the rope tying that 169 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:46,667 Speaker 2: happened that day just give us a background to that. 170 00:07:47,067 --> 00:07:49,707 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, that's something that evolved with Luke Crawford. 171 00:07:49,747 --> 00:07:51,667 Speaker 3: He's the Krimarthware here at the campus and he spent 172 00:07:51,707 --> 00:07:55,027 Speaker 3: a lot of time in rugby circles. He has been 173 00:07:55,107 --> 00:07:57,507 Speaker 3: with us on this journey near since day dot and 174 00:07:57,667 --> 00:07:59,827 Speaker 3: it was in twenty twenty, just pre COVID. 175 00:07:59,507 --> 00:08:02,107 Speaker 4: When he walked into the big green room. 176 00:08:02,307 --> 00:08:05,147 Speaker 3: It was just a dirt surface and he stood there 177 00:08:05,227 --> 00:08:07,307 Speaker 3: in the middle and he sort of looked and he said, Hi, 178 00:08:07,427 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 3: I can see this as being somewhere we're going to 179 00:08:09,627 --> 00:08:11,867 Speaker 3: get together and assemble. And it was nearly a year 180 00:08:11,947 --> 00:08:14,747 Speaker 3: later when he walked back after COVID. We had our 181 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:17,987 Speaker 3: big braces up in the ceiling there and he said, brother, 182 00:08:18,187 --> 00:08:19,947 Speaker 3: this is our this is our fuddy worker, this is 183 00:08:19,987 --> 00:08:22,427 Speaker 3: our boat shed, this is we make boats go faster 184 00:08:22,507 --> 00:08:25,027 Speaker 3: here and we meet people on the right seats on 185 00:08:25,107 --> 00:08:26,467 Speaker 3: the bus and right seats on the whaka. 186 00:08:26,747 --> 00:08:31,107 Speaker 4: And out of that we talked a lot to tiati Awa. 187 00:08:30,987 --> 00:08:34,787 Speaker 3: And Ewe around what does it mean for our values, 188 00:08:34,867 --> 00:08:36,307 Speaker 3: not something that's going to be a brand, but our 189 00:08:36,387 --> 00:08:38,907 Speaker 3: values and it's how we want to be seen by others, 190 00:08:38,947 --> 00:08:41,707 Speaker 3: and they're proudly represented on both sides of the Fuddy 191 00:08:41,747 --> 00:08:43,867 Speaker 3: Whacker here. It's something that a kid can walk past 192 00:08:43,907 --> 00:08:45,907 Speaker 3: and look up and ask questions about what it means. 193 00:08:46,627 --> 00:08:49,147 Speaker 3: And the three values that we have all talk about, 194 00:08:49,547 --> 00:08:52,467 Speaker 3: they're represented on paddles, and if you look at the paddles, 195 00:08:52,507 --> 00:08:55,747 Speaker 3: we've got one that represents growth. It's the multiple elements 196 00:08:55,747 --> 00:08:57,787 Speaker 3: of growth in your life. It's not one single koru. 197 00:08:57,987 --> 00:09:00,787 Speaker 3: It's multiple corews on the one paddle, which talks about 198 00:09:00,787 --> 00:09:02,427 Speaker 3: the time off the field as well as on it 199 00:09:02,947 --> 00:09:05,227 Speaker 3: and elements outside of the game. But it's important for 200 00:09:05,347 --> 00:09:08,787 Speaker 3: us to grow. The second value is about our connection. 201 00:09:09,027 --> 00:09:11,867 Speaker 3: It's about our connection to our physical environment but also 202 00:09:11,947 --> 00:09:14,907 Speaker 3: to each other and yourself. And we talk about at 203 00:09:14,947 --> 00:09:17,707 Speaker 3: the top of that paddle the light triangles in the dark. 204 00:09:18,147 --> 00:09:20,387 Speaker 3: The light triangles are the good times. It's the stuff 205 00:09:20,427 --> 00:09:22,667 Speaker 3: you see on social every day, but it's the bad 206 00:09:22,707 --> 00:09:25,267 Speaker 3: times that often define us and how we overcome those challenges. 207 00:09:25,387 --> 00:09:27,947 Speaker 3: So we've made sure there's more light triangles than it 208 00:09:28,107 --> 00:09:31,187 Speaker 3: is dark, but you need to recognize the dark. Those 209 00:09:31,227 --> 00:09:33,627 Speaker 3: paddles are facing upwards, they're at rest, and there's something 210 00:09:33,707 --> 00:09:37,427 Speaker 3: that We worked with Kuda and the guys at to 211 00:09:37,547 --> 00:09:40,587 Speaker 3: understand that those paddles being at rest are facing upwards, 212 00:09:41,227 --> 00:09:42,907 Speaker 3: but there's a little fern in the bottom of each 213 00:09:42,907 --> 00:09:45,867 Speaker 3: of those that's always upright, no matter orientation. That's our 214 00:09:45,947 --> 00:09:49,387 Speaker 3: positivity that we try and bring to every day. And 215 00:09:49,467 --> 00:09:52,587 Speaker 3: the last paddle, if Kevin Mall are listening, I said 216 00:09:52,627 --> 00:09:54,747 Speaker 3: it all the time, so they don't mind. But that 217 00:09:54,867 --> 00:09:56,707 Speaker 3: middle paddle is our manger putty, and that is the 218 00:09:56,787 --> 00:09:58,987 Speaker 3: Kevin Males of the world. They're not the prettiest fish, 219 00:09:59,027 --> 00:10:03,107 Speaker 3: but geeze get stuff done and it's just tenaciousness, it's resilience, 220 00:10:03,267 --> 00:10:05,947 Speaker 3: it's just always finding a way. And so those paddle 221 00:10:06,027 --> 00:10:09,187 Speaker 3: values really great to sort of tell that story, but 222 00:10:09,347 --> 00:10:12,427 Speaker 3: had to be something next that could tie a team 223 00:10:12,507 --> 00:10:15,787 Speaker 3: to the facility, and hence that tota. That rope presentation 224 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:18,507 Speaker 3: that we do is now that it's more than a 225 00:10:18,547 --> 00:10:21,267 Speaker 3: symbolic gesture, it's actually a really meaningful gesture that you 226 00:10:21,347 --> 00:10:23,547 Speaker 3: walk up, you present the tote to the team that's 227 00:10:23,587 --> 00:10:25,667 Speaker 3: coming on to site. They walk over to one of 228 00:10:25,707 --> 00:10:28,627 Speaker 3: our poe inside the green room and they attach themselves 229 00:10:28,827 --> 00:10:31,707 Speaker 3: to our waka, and that gesture is that we've got 230 00:10:31,747 --> 00:10:33,947 Speaker 3: your back and when you leave, the rope will be 231 00:10:34,027 --> 00:10:36,987 Speaker 3: taken down. We'll store it in our foyer for everyone 232 00:10:37,067 --> 00:10:38,947 Speaker 3: to know that you've been here. But whilst you're away, 233 00:10:39,027 --> 00:10:41,187 Speaker 3: we'll be thinking about you. When you come back, we 234 00:10:41,267 --> 00:10:42,627 Speaker 3: want you to attach your waker again. 235 00:10:43,227 --> 00:10:46,747 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. So how does it 236 00:10:46,827 --> 00:10:49,667 Speaker 2: work in terms of the likes of your tenanty? The Hurricanes, 237 00:10:49,707 --> 00:10:53,387 Speaker 2: the Phoenix? How do they know? What do they pay you? 238 00:10:53,707 --> 00:10:54,987 Speaker 2: How does it all work financially? 239 00:10:55,187 --> 00:10:57,907 Speaker 3: Yeah? Cool, Look, I think it's well known in sport 240 00:10:58,027 --> 00:11:00,467 Speaker 3: generally and in New Zealand particularly. They haven't got wheelbarrows, 241 00:11:00,507 --> 00:11:03,147 Speaker 3: a cash like. No one could afford to build a 242 00:11:03,187 --> 00:11:05,907 Speaker 3: facility like this themselves. So if we say you need 243 00:11:05,947 --> 00:11:08,387 Speaker 3: a dollar run this place, we need tenants paying thirty 244 00:11:08,427 --> 00:11:11,627 Speaker 3: three cents each so they can share those resources and 245 00:11:11,787 --> 00:11:14,867 Speaker 3: break it down. And to try and do that, there's 246 00:11:14,907 --> 00:11:16,547 Speaker 3: been a bit of a soft landing period where it's 247 00:11:16,547 --> 00:11:18,227 Speaker 3: sort of betting in and finding out what they use 248 00:11:18,907 --> 00:11:21,227 Speaker 3: and then on what happens next is they treat it 249 00:11:21,267 --> 00:11:23,547 Speaker 3: like an ala carte menu, so they say I want 250 00:11:23,627 --> 00:11:26,347 Speaker 3: three entrees, five males, two desserts, and for us in 251 00:11:26,467 --> 00:11:29,427 Speaker 3: our language, that's meaning they'll spend two hours in the 252 00:11:29,467 --> 00:11:31,907 Speaker 3: gym four days a week, thirty two weeks a year, 253 00:11:32,467 --> 00:11:35,667 Speaker 3: and we are then licensed to occupy those spaces and 254 00:11:35,747 --> 00:11:37,467 Speaker 3: so they can come and draw down on a bucket 255 00:11:37,467 --> 00:11:40,027 Speaker 3: of hours. The Women's Phoenix, the men's Phoenix come in 256 00:11:40,107 --> 00:11:43,067 Speaker 3: and they draw down on those hours to utilize the 257 00:11:43,107 --> 00:11:46,707 Speaker 3: different spaces. So they pay us a license fee and 258 00:11:46,827 --> 00:11:49,787 Speaker 3: that license fee or that agreement spread out over a 259 00:11:49,867 --> 00:11:52,587 Speaker 3: number of years and like anythink, the greater the commitment, 260 00:11:52,667 --> 00:11:55,227 Speaker 3: the more benefits we can give them and work together 261 00:11:55,307 --> 00:11:59,067 Speaker 3: on proper partnerships, not just in a commercial sense, but 262 00:11:59,147 --> 00:12:00,507 Speaker 3: also maybe looking forward. 263 00:12:00,267 --> 00:12:03,027 Speaker 4: To how we generate other revenues with them along this journey. 264 00:12:03,227 --> 00:12:06,187 Speaker 2: And just on that that can the Hurricanes, the Phoenix, 265 00:12:06,427 --> 00:12:07,907 Speaker 2: the sports teams can they afford that? 266 00:12:08,587 --> 00:12:10,467 Speaker 3: Look, I think Pine we have to find ways and 267 00:12:11,427 --> 00:12:15,707 Speaker 3: again mel and keV mal particularly is driving a mindset 268 00:12:15,787 --> 00:12:17,627 Speaker 3: we have to change the way sport is funded in 269 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:20,987 Speaker 3: New Zealand. And it's been it's not uncompet It's out 270 00:12:21,027 --> 00:12:24,187 Speaker 3: in social media that even the Central Coast Marindus this year, 271 00:12:24,267 --> 00:12:26,947 Speaker 3: the most successful club won everything they could, but they 272 00:12:26,987 --> 00:12:30,027 Speaker 3: still posted a huge loss because of the central funding 273 00:12:30,067 --> 00:12:32,547 Speaker 3: system has taken away a lot of that money. We've 274 00:12:32,587 --> 00:12:36,427 Speaker 3: seen successful clubs would be the Penrith Panthers. They've got 275 00:12:36,427 --> 00:12:38,947 Speaker 3: their own Leagues club. They posted one hundred and fifty 276 00:12:38,947 --> 00:12:41,507 Speaker 3: three million dollar revenue this year. They made eight hundred 277 00:12:41,507 --> 00:12:44,467 Speaker 3: thousand dollars worth a profit. They also built a hotel, 278 00:12:44,547 --> 00:12:46,707 Speaker 3: hence the profit being a little bit lower. Yes, that's 279 00:12:46,787 --> 00:12:49,907 Speaker 3: pretty smart footy. But the revenue streams that they have 280 00:12:50,187 --> 00:12:52,987 Speaker 3: are things like gambling. They've got pokey machines, they've got 281 00:12:53,267 --> 00:12:55,707 Speaker 3: their own clubs with food and beverage, and those two 282 00:12:55,747 --> 00:12:58,227 Speaker 3: elements alone, I think it was ninety million out of gambling. 283 00:12:58,307 --> 00:13:00,947 Speaker 3: It was thirty million out of food and beverage. We 284 00:13:01,107 --> 00:13:03,587 Speaker 3: simply don't have those revenue streams for our teams here 285 00:13:03,667 --> 00:13:06,147 Speaker 3: in New Zealand, so we have to box a bit smarter. 286 00:13:07,507 --> 00:13:09,787 Speaker 3: We're looking at lots of creative ways to do that now, 287 00:13:09,867 --> 00:13:12,587 Speaker 3: whether that's bricks and mortar businesses, whether that's through the 288 00:13:12,627 --> 00:13:16,707 Speaker 3: commercialization of information, where that's through developing products. We have 289 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:20,147 Speaker 3: to find ways and means to look after the club, 290 00:13:20,347 --> 00:13:24,347 Speaker 3: the athlete and ourselves and realistically have those open conversations, 291 00:13:24,467 --> 00:13:26,187 Speaker 3: how big the pie, how do we cut it up? 292 00:13:26,387 --> 00:13:28,187 Speaker 4: That's where it's got to go. We can't rely on 293 00:13:28,227 --> 00:13:29,787 Speaker 4: bums on seats at stadiums anymore. 294 00:13:30,307 --> 00:13:36,667 Speaker 2: And because what the traditional revenue streams ticketing, sponsorship, and broadcast, 295 00:13:37,147 --> 00:13:39,707 Speaker 2: So there needs to be more than just those three. 296 00:13:39,667 --> 00:13:40,387 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. 297 00:13:40,587 --> 00:13:43,787 Speaker 3: And we know that we saw an influx of the 298 00:13:44,547 --> 00:13:46,867 Speaker 3: people jumping on the boat for the Phoenix and and 299 00:13:46,907 --> 00:13:48,587 Speaker 3: the Hurricanes as it got closer to the end of 300 00:13:48,627 --> 00:13:52,387 Speaker 3: the season. But I think we have to ensure that 301 00:13:52,387 --> 00:13:54,907 Speaker 3: if we diversify revenue streams, we're not so reliant on 302 00:13:54,987 --> 00:13:55,547 Speaker 3: those things. 303 00:13:56,187 --> 00:13:56,827 Speaker 4: The broadcasts. 304 00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:58,147 Speaker 3: As you know, I don't want to tell you Piney, 305 00:13:58,187 --> 00:14:02,107 Speaker 3: it's just changed the way that people ingest content has changed. 306 00:14:03,347 --> 00:14:05,627 Speaker 4: Merchandise. We have to be smarter. How can we access 307 00:14:05,667 --> 00:14:06,347 Speaker 4: that global audia. 308 00:14:07,067 --> 00:14:10,947 Speaker 3: So it's maybe building out those international partnerships with overseas clubs, 309 00:14:10,987 --> 00:14:11,547 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. 310 00:14:11,747 --> 00:14:14,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, food for thought. What is your vision for in 311 00:14:14,347 --> 00:14:17,467 Speaker 2: zincis if we sitting here in ten years, what are 312 00:14:17,507 --> 00:14:18,267 Speaker 2: we seeing around us? 313 00:14:18,347 --> 00:14:18,467 Speaker 1: Oh? 314 00:14:18,587 --> 00:14:20,507 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad males not here because that would be 315 00:14:20,547 --> 00:14:23,667 Speaker 3: a much longer conversation. The guy doesn't stop and it's 316 00:14:24,027 --> 00:14:26,867 Speaker 3: melan keV really complementary individuals of each other, a lot 317 00:14:26,907 --> 00:14:29,027 Speaker 3: of fun to work with. But you have to run 318 00:14:29,107 --> 00:14:31,507 Speaker 3: to keep up, and that's great, like it keeps your 319 00:14:31,547 --> 00:14:32,827 Speaker 3: mind active and your body active. 320 00:14:33,387 --> 00:14:34,147 Speaker 4: What could it look like? 321 00:14:34,347 --> 00:14:37,067 Speaker 3: I would love to see two new basketball courts netball 322 00:14:37,107 --> 00:14:40,027 Speaker 3: courts across from the main gym here. I think it's 323 00:14:40,147 --> 00:14:43,467 Speaker 3: now establishing what that next user group could be. We'd 324 00:14:43,507 --> 00:14:46,827 Speaker 3: love to contemplate the idea of making the first parasport 325 00:14:46,947 --> 00:14:50,227 Speaker 3: venue in the world from ground up. We think ballerinas 326 00:14:50,307 --> 00:14:52,387 Speaker 3: they run, jump and land like netball and basketball. Why 327 00:14:52,387 --> 00:14:55,547 Speaker 3: aren't we talking to them. There's some Olympic sports that 328 00:14:55,587 --> 00:14:57,547 Speaker 3: don't have a home currently, so can we be smart 329 00:14:57,587 --> 00:15:00,907 Speaker 3: and sort of how we construct that venue. Would love 330 00:15:00,987 --> 00:15:04,667 Speaker 3: that venue to be a medical center. It's not uncommon 331 00:15:04,707 --> 00:15:07,427 Speaker 3: knowledge that we really struggle in new for body scanning 332 00:15:07,467 --> 00:15:11,547 Speaker 3: imagery ct MRI X ray. Why can't we do it 333 00:15:11,587 --> 00:15:14,547 Speaker 3: here privately? Why can't we open that up to Joe public, 334 00:15:14,627 --> 00:15:18,947 Speaker 3: Joanne public around the place? If there was one vision 335 00:15:19,027 --> 00:15:21,587 Speaker 3: that was sort of really out there and we've talked 336 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:23,787 Speaker 3: about it sort of and other people got wind of it. 337 00:15:23,867 --> 00:15:26,747 Speaker 3: But you talk about Trentam racecourse, what could happen there 338 00:15:26,787 --> 00:15:29,187 Speaker 3: in the future. Maintain the integrity of the racecourse, but 339 00:15:29,267 --> 00:15:31,187 Speaker 3: is it possible to have like a ten thousand seat 340 00:15:31,267 --> 00:15:33,947 Speaker 3: covered stadium sitting whack in the middle of that, Like 341 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:35,107 Speaker 3: that's the sort. 342 00:15:34,987 --> 00:15:37,587 Speaker 4: Of blue sky that I know. It gets us excited. 343 00:15:37,667 --> 00:15:39,267 Speaker 4: But look there's a lot of water under that bridge. 344 00:15:39,747 --> 00:15:42,347 Speaker 2: But then you take it back to the genesis of 345 00:15:42,387 --> 00:15:44,627 Speaker 2: this place and that was blue skying as well, and 346 00:15:44,747 --> 00:15:45,227 Speaker 2: here we are. 347 00:15:45,867 --> 00:15:50,307 Speaker 3: That's possible, right, yeah, Look that's Mao's favorite saying. Really, 348 00:15:50,387 --> 00:15:52,907 Speaker 3: he said, if you can believe it, sorry, conceive it, 349 00:15:53,027 --> 00:15:55,227 Speaker 3: believe it, you'll achieve it. And there was a lot 350 00:15:55,267 --> 00:15:57,227 Speaker 3: of people, I think, we're surprised when this was a 351 00:15:57,347 --> 00:16:00,147 Speaker 3: pile of dirt to then come back in eighteen months 352 00:16:00,187 --> 00:16:03,507 Speaker 3: and go, oh wow, it's actually it's actually happened. 353 00:16:03,627 --> 00:16:07,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I must have mind. You were generous 354 00:16:07,627 --> 00:16:09,227 Speaker 2: enough to give me a look around when it was 355 00:16:09,307 --> 00:16:11,827 Speaker 2: just a pile of dirt. Really and some you know, 356 00:16:12,027 --> 00:16:15,547 Speaker 2: some bare bones. And I come back here on a 357 00:16:15,627 --> 00:16:19,307 Speaker 2: weekly basis during the Phoenix and Hurricane seasons for media sessions, 358 00:16:19,347 --> 00:16:21,387 Speaker 2: and every time I drive in here, I just get 359 00:16:21,427 --> 00:16:25,547 Speaker 2: a sense of what is possible. If somebody is a doer, 360 00:16:25,747 --> 00:16:28,947 Speaker 2: if they conceive believe, they can achieve. So it's a 361 00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:31,027 Speaker 2: terrific place, mate. I feel like I need an office 362 00:16:31,067 --> 00:16:32,587 Speaker 2: out here. I feel like I need to talk to 363 00:16:33,027 --> 00:16:34,867 Speaker 2: the powers that be at News Talk, said B. And 364 00:16:35,187 --> 00:16:37,387 Speaker 2: we need to build a studio so we don't have 365 00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:40,507 Speaker 2: to plug into you know, just temporarily. We should permanently 366 00:16:40,627 --> 00:16:41,147 Speaker 2: be here. 367 00:16:41,107 --> 00:16:42,947 Speaker 3: Mate, made would kicked me if I six eight hundred 368 00:16:42,947 --> 00:16:44,347 Speaker 3: square meters for you up and not one of the 369 00:16:44,427 --> 00:16:44,987 Speaker 3: vacant floors. 370 00:16:45,027 --> 00:16:47,107 Speaker 4: Still, I'm going to get my people. 371 00:16:46,907 --> 00:16:48,987 Speaker 2: To talk to your people while we've been talking to 372 00:16:49,027 --> 00:16:52,187 Speaker 2: one another. Jamie, thanks for your hospitality This afternoon, we're 373 00:16:52,187 --> 00:16:55,187 Speaker 2: giving out your office, and congrats on a terrific week 374 00:16:55,307 --> 00:16:57,027 Speaker 2: so far with the all Blacks. I know it's going 375 00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:58,347 Speaker 2: to stand them in a really good stead this year, 376 00:16:58,667 --> 00:17:00,507 Speaker 2: we hope so too. Good on you mate, Thanks and deed, 377 00:17:00,947 --> 00:17:03,587 Speaker 2: Jamie Tout, general manager of the New Zealand Campus of 378 00:17:03,667 --> 00:17:06,987 Speaker 2: Innovation and Sport in Upper Heart, where we're broadcasting from today. 379 00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:10,787 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 380 00:17:10,907 --> 00:17:14,187 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 381 00:17:14,227 --> 00:17:15,827 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio