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Speaker 1: I think in the end ground swell is going to

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Speaker 1: be proven right, But I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 1: get what they want right now, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: they should get what they want right now, because what

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Speaker 1: they want is for New Zealand to pull out of

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Speaker 1: the Paris Agreement. Now, we cannot pull out of the

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Speaker 1: Paris Agreement. Well, at least we cannot pull out of

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Speaker 1: it right now. Right we cannot be one of the

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Speaker 1: first or the first to pull out, because the first

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Speaker 1: lot of countries that pull out of the Paris Agreement

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Speaker 1: are going to be the ones who are blamed for

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Speaker 1: destroying the agreement, and they will pay for it reputationally.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, here in New Zealand we rely way too

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Speaker 1: much on our good guy reputation for tourism and trading

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Speaker 1: and so on to risk being seen to not care

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Speaker 1: about climate change. But I think that eventually we will

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Speaker 1: pull out, or more likely actually just the agreement will

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Speaker 1: fall apart by itself because it's not working. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just look at the numbers. We are supposed to have

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Speaker 1: our first significant target, the twenty thirty target in five

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Speaker 1: years time. We're not going to hit it. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that now, we are not going to hit

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Speaker 1: it in five years time. Neither are a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of other countries Argentina, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, Canida. Like,

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Speaker 1: just go through the list of countries to find how

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Speaker 1: many of them are actually going to hit it Now.

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Speaker 1: When we don't hit it, which is inevitable, we are

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Speaker 1: supposed to fix it up by planting a huge number

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Speaker 1: of trees, and we're only going to be able to

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Speaker 1: do that by paying probably a developing country to plant

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Speaker 1: those trees for us. And the estimated bill for that

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Speaker 1: as it stands right now twenty three billion dollars. Now

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Speaker 1: do you think we're going to send twenty three billion

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Speaker 1: dollars overseas in twenty thirty No, course we're not going to.

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Speaker 1: We know that because the Climate Minister has basically gone

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Speaker 1: around saying that. And even Chloe Swarbrick knows that this

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Speaker 1: thing is falling apart, because we had her on the

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Speaker 1: show just a few weeks ago and I asked her

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Speaker 1: if the Paris agreement was going to hold and she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say yes, which tells you she already knows. So

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Speaker 1: if Chloe can see that the thing is going to fail,

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Speaker 1: and Simon Watts is predicting that it's going to fail,

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Speaker 1: then perhaps we all need to see that it is

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Speaker 1: going to fail at some point and ground Swell will

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Speaker 1: eventually be proven right or from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.

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