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Speaker 1: So once again we wonder aloud what to do about

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Speaker 1: military air movement, especially when it comes to the seven

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Speaker 1: five seven. The PM's delegation of course stranded and P

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Speaker 1: and G. He got to Japan last night commercially the

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Speaker 1: rest of the delegation get there tomorrow. Defense Minister Judith

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Speaker 1: Collins with us good morning, good make So my understanding

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Speaker 1: is it goes if it can from P and G

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Speaker 1: the plane, this is from P and G down to Brisbane,

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Speaker 1: and then what happens to it there? Do we know?

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Speaker 2: Well, then we'll no doubt it will have to either

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Speaker 2: fly over to New Zealand or more likely be repaired

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Speaker 2: in Brisbane. But it needs a new part. And the

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Speaker 2: point is that can fly at slower speed and lower altitude,

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Speaker 2: but can't do the long hause.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this isn't your fault, but I

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Speaker 1: mean this is this is this is Keystone cop stuff,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. This is just embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Now, well it is embarrassing, and you know the primis

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Speaker 2: is right you said that. But I would say, though,

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Speaker 2: is that our defense staff have been working on this

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Speaker 2: to try and get it right, and I am really

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Speaker 2: impressed in the dedication they've got very old kits, and

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Speaker 2: we're expecting to perform like brand you out of the box,

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Speaker 2: and that's simply not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: At some point, the cost of spare parts and the

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Speaker 1: energy put into it must outweigh the cost of doing

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Speaker 1: something about another vehicle, mustn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, it must get to that stage. But I

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Speaker 2: would say too, there are two of these lines. One

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Speaker 2: of them is in long term repair and maintenance at

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Speaker 2: the moment. With the new Zealand that comes out, I'm

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Speaker 2: told we'll get it back at the end of July,

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Speaker 2: and so then we've got to back again. It is

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Speaker 2: really difficult though, because we're very tight financial circumstances, and

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Speaker 2: you can imagine how hundreds of million spellars being spent

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Speaker 2: on what is essentially executive flight plus troop carrying capability

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Speaker 2: would go down well with everyone in cost liver difficulties

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Speaker 2: that we haven't learned.

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Speaker 1: It isn't that the problem, though, because it's always politically

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Speaker 1: edgy and has been for decades. That's why the decision,

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Speaker 1: the correct decision, was never made even in good times

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Speaker 1: when bad, no government wants to go, hey we need

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Speaker 1: some new planes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it was obviously the decision at the time

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Speaker 2: when they were bought was to buy ten year old

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Speaker 2: planes and that had been had a very hard commercial life.

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Speaker 2: What our people do keeping these planes going most of

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Speaker 2: the time the vast majority of the time is astonishing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, even commercial flights sometimes you get decented

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Speaker 2: off a plane and told sorry, it's not going today.

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Speaker 2: But you know, evident of God, and we're much rather

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Speaker 2: that with these planes. The point is is that the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister can then take delegation of business people, pers

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Speaker 2: also media. That's the point of having them really.

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Speaker 1: So so what are we going to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can't continue. You can't leave Greg Furan and Dame

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Speaker 1: Teresa Walsh stuck in p and G. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just a joke. So either you get some new planes

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Speaker 1: or we need to fly the Prime Minister and as

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Speaker 1: delegation commercially from here on. And that's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, these are some of the options that we're looking at.

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Speaker 2: We've got the defense capability. It has been worked on

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Speaker 2: at the moment. We'll have it go to Camp Cuts

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Speaker 2: the next two months. That will be one of the

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Speaker 2: things that we have to look at. What is the

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Speaker 2: point of it and The point might be is that

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Speaker 2: are these plains mons to use for troops? Are they

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Speaker 2: used for the Prime minister and others? But it's not

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Speaker 2: just the Prime minister's plane. It's not just that, and

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Speaker 2: people should understand that. So that's one I guess one

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Speaker 2: of the problems we have is nobody Prime minister wants

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Speaker 2: to spend an awful of money on something that's seen

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Speaker 2: as nice to have by some people, even though at

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Speaker 2: this time when we've got a situation we have to

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Speaker 2: build the economy, it is really important the PM and

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Speaker 2: business people can get out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly all right. Go wel Defense Minister Judith Collins.

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