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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders. Welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number two seven for the twenty second

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Speaker 2: of October. She's a Wednesday, and what a great show

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Speaker 2: it was. If you're looking forward to the chat on geez,

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Speaker 2: what chat do we have to drop weird pets in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand because people in the Wellington area have been

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Speaker 2: told not to get pet possums. We don't get to

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Speaker 2: that because the other chats blew up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah again again.

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Speaker 2: Again, our chats blow up. But we'll get to that

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Speaker 2: one tomorrow. But yeah, I particularly like the chats at

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Speaker 2: the end of the show on not letting your kids

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Speaker 2: when a very good time was had by all or

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Speaker 2: potentially just me.

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Speaker 3: Some great calls absolutely and Jean, watch out for Jean.

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Speaker 3: Geena is a beauty.

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Speaker 2: Wait for the shotgun, a phone call and just to

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Speaker 2: skit just everything fires down the phone by Jean.

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Speaker 3: Yep, the busiest woman in New Zealand by the sounds

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Speaker 3: of it, had a lot of going on.

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Speaker 2: A lot on Yeah, some robots in there. There's all

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Speaker 2: kinds of stuff yeap.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the leg issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matty's and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said me, very good afternoon. Do you welcome into

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Speaker 3: Wednesday show show? Hope you're doing well. We're eve you're

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Speaker 3: listening in the country. Great day of your company as always,

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Speaker 3: Thanks for giving us a listen.

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Speaker 2: Get a mate, and now Tyler, you're taking my dog.

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Speaker 2: You're babysitting my dog for the weekend because I'm going

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Speaker 2: away tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: It's a big moment relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Our friendship's moving up to another level.

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Speaker 2: It shows how much I trust you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, mate, thank you.

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Speaker 2: After a year working with you as a co host,

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Speaker 2: I now trust you with my dog. So Colin's reasonably.

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Speaker 2: He's a pretty simple dog. There's no fuss. Okay, see

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Speaker 2: he'll come worth his bed.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: He'll come with his special bikies. Okay, he'll come with

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Speaker 2: his special teeth treats.

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Speaker 3: He's got teeth treats. The dental sticks, yep, you d

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Speaker 3: sticks and pepper have one of those yep, okay, news

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Speaker 3: for Pepper.

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Speaker 2: I'll send extra runs for Pepper.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: What you've got to do is this game I play

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Speaker 2: with Colin every day. I get his dental treat and

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Speaker 2: I pretend to eat it. Yep, and I go, you

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Speaker 2: young Colin, and he goes. He sits down and looks

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Speaker 2: at me, terrified and confused and can't believe that I'm

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Speaker 2: going to eat his dental treat every day.

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Speaker 3: It's a great game.

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Speaker 2: Every day he looks sad, and then I give it

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Speaker 2: to him and he's very grateful.

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Speaker 3: You need me to film that interaction. I'm just I'll

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Speaker 3: trust you to do it, Okay, Yeah, yeah, trust trust me.

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely going to do that.

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Speaker 2: I trust your acting skills to convince my dog that

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of appreciate here, but I know I

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Speaker 2: And and I'll give you enough poop bags to last

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Speaker 3: Place about four a day for a day. What's in

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Speaker 3: this kibble that you're feeding up? Fruit in there or something?

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Speaker 2: He's regular and healthy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's good now, Okay, just a quick couple of

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Speaker 3: questions for you, ye Can I give him some various treats?

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Speaker 2: You just just make sure you put his beards somewhere

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Speaker 3: He can be right in front of the fire that

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Speaker 2: Hearing the adventures of Tyler and Colin.

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Speaker 3: It's people going to write a book about it after

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Speaker 3: We love them in New Zealand, no doubt about our

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Speaker 3: cats and dogs. They have been humanities companions for centuries

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Speaker 3: wild animals as pets and Wellington. The council is sounding

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so someone was asked. An English person was once

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a very apt description.

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Speaker 2: So is the brushtail possum just the common possum that

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Speaker 3: Ye right, so super cuddly, yeah, super fluffy. But you're right,

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Speaker 3: there is something ingrained in our psyche that we see

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Speaker 2: Well, whatever you got, what have you got, strangle it,

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Speaker 2: Because they do terrible things to our flora and fauna.

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Speaker 2: But it sort of makes you think about the other

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Speaker 2: got out there? You're running a hedgehog? You got it?

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Speaker 2: Just a pig clooney styles. What are you running? We

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after two o'clock. We were going

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Speaker 3: be great as well. Eugen Klop Jugen rather Klop a

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Speaker 3: he described his childhood home is shaped by a loving

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Speaker 3: successful in life and in sport, to the point where

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Speaker 3: he would never ever let a Jurgen win any family

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to talk about this because I think

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Speaker 2: it's crucial. It's crucial that you never let your kids win.

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Speaker 2: It's crucial that they have to earn their successes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's crucial to be honest with your kids and

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Speaker 2: where you're not just handed everything.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be a good chat after talk speaking

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Speaker 3: of which isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it Jorgen Jurgen, Jergen Jurgen? Are you sure it's Yergen?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's Jrgen.

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Speaker 3: Let's ah, fantastic, there was a Jurgen who called yesterday

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jergen can call himself whatever he wants.

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Speaker 3: If you're German, please ring through Jurgen Jrgen Jorgen En.

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Speaker 2: But we're all agreed on klop. That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's sortied. But that is after two

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Speaker 3: o'clock because right now we want to have a chat

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Speaker 3: A recent study from Massi University reveals that for a

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Speaker 3: a modest, no frills lifestyle could require hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a chat with her after one thirty,

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Speaker 3: by the way, she said. With rising costs like council

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Speaker 2: Is insane, especially with what Wellington Council is doing with

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Speaker 2: retirement two hundred and seventy three thousand for choices. So

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Speaker 2: I guess choices is you know, you can buy your

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Speaker 2: grandkids dinner every now and then, maybe do a bit

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Speaker 2: of an overseas trip or something. I don't know. A

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Speaker 2: by choices? Right? A few luxuries, you know, a lifestyle

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Speaker 2: get older. Yeah, I mean is that money? I mean

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Speaker 2: I think it's not all money, is it. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of that would be community and you know,

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Speaker 2: and and social connections, right, it would be would be

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Speaker 2: in social connections and community are free.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, and can you have I'm gonna phrase this correctly

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Speaker 3: because I don't want to be disparaging to anyone who

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Speaker 3: be a lot of people out there that have to

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Speaker 3: face that. But ideally, you do want to have some

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Speaker 3: choices once you get into retirement, because that's the whole point, right.

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Speaker 3: You work your butt off for that forty to fifty

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Speaker 3: bit of travel or at least have a comfortable existence

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is that what you need? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: And then after that, give me a one one two

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Speaker 3: You're easy to please, mate. No travel for you, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess like, I mean maybe maybe,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got it all worked out. This seexally sounds

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Speaker 2: So we put all the pressure on ourselves and we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 2: Need a million for that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you don't really keen to hear from

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Speaker 2: And before we put this topic to bed, Angela, you've

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Speaker 6: I believe, Yes, Jurgen is the name, not.

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Speaker 3: J Come on, Matt, play the game, so Jurgen Clop, It's.

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Speaker 7: Definitely Jurgen Klop is the German name.

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Speaker 2: Did you say Jurgen Clop Jurgen.

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Speaker 8: Not not Jurgen.

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Speaker 9: It's Jurgen Jurgen.

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Speaker 6: Or no as if you if you're talking in English,

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Speaker 3: It's a y yes, okay, y oh g Jrgen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, got it? Thank you, Thank you so much, Angela,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for clearing that up. For appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: We needed that. So where do we end up there, jen.

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Speaker 2: Ergen Klop, We ended up where we started?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, Thank you very much, Angela. Right, oh, one

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Speaker 3: How do you think it's going to look for you?

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Speaker 3: How much money do you think you'll need? And what

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Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest issue for me with Jurgen is

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Speaker 3: I mean it's free healthcare in Germany. It's no excuse,

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Speaker 3: huge jobbers, come on, Yugen, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 3: It'd be a very good afternoon to you. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem for you is that you

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Speaker 2: or Jurgen. But wouldn't she.

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Speaker 3: Be angler angler? Yeah, like angler if she was German?

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Speaker 10: Right?

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Speaker 3: So stuffed up on two accounts here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Well you were right about the Jurgen.

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Speaker 3: But but Angela I really stuffed up.

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Speaker 2: Because when we answered the phone, she didn't say anything,

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Speaker 3: The hesitation is everything we needed to hear pronunciation.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for any anyway, Let's put Jugan to be

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Speaker 3: We'll come back to that at two o'clock because there's

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Speaker 3: plenty of to digest. But let's get back to retirement.

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Speaker 3: We've had so many texts come through A nine to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, O one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number?

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Speaker 2: What do you actually really need for retirement? Because all

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Speaker 2: all about one million one point three million for a

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Speaker 2: my maths on having a two point four million in,

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Speaker 3: And then some one hundred and thirty k after text.

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Speaker 3: That is a good lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no one knows how long they're going to

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be fine. Yeah, You're gonna have choices whatever. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: you're not necessarily if you don't get the other stuff going.

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Speaker 2: That's the I'm missing my own point here. So if you,

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Speaker 3: It's a very good point, and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: seem to do that. Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call him. Hello, get Ann, Hi, Hello,

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Speaker 11: I just want to tell you that ugan j you

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Speaker 11: it's Ugen. If there's no two dots on top of

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Speaker 11: the you, it would be.

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Speaker 11: Urgen Jay you two dots on top of the U.

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Speaker 3: R G E N beautifully explaining. So what about what

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Speaker 3: about Angela or Angler?

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Speaker 2: Anger?

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Speaker 3: Angler? Angler? Angler?

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Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, no, let's go carefully, okay, Angler angler yea?

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Speaker 2: What horrible name? Angler?

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Speaker 11: Horrible?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Angler?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd want to flip over to Angela. It sounds

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Speaker 2: much better as angela. Well it you spell it the

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Speaker 2: same as angela, don't you.

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Speaker 11: That's correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, I'll tell you what. If I was Angela,

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Speaker 3: That's off, g is what you need.

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Speaker 2: I've got nothing a burglar. I've got nothing against Merkel.

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Speaker 3: But she was a fine, fine leader. The name was

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Speaker 3: just about harsh. Yeah, anyway, but man, you've got a

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Speaker 3: beautiful name and a beautiful accent and you'll explain that beautifully.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for for your call. But

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there will be plenty of time for that after

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Speaker 2: Yean, is that yan or Jean?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, how angsty has this been?

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Speaker 14: Overall, most people recognize that balance was set. I mean,

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Speaker 14: share this country. When you move away from those basic

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Speaker 14: if you have custom me marine title to grant resource

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Speaker 2: Reduce that threshold and we're restoring it. So that's the purpose.

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight past. Once on the back of this massive

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, people don't stop living at retirement or at

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Speaker 2: that's not actually retiring. Jean, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 15: Oh yes, good afternoon. Look I listen to you. People

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Speaker 15: are very lot, a lot, I really do. But I

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Speaker 15: we paid three thousand, nine hundred and seventy five thousand

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Speaker 15: Now I am what I am doing now. I have

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Speaker 15: And that's what my husband is. And we were fifty

440
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Speaker 15: six years he went to nineteen seventy twenty seventeen. But

441
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Speaker 15: the thing is right at this point in time, I

442
00:20:29,973 --> 00:20:34,573
Speaker 15: have been over these nine years, I have paid my

443
00:20:34,853 --> 00:20:39,813
Speaker 15: pension now to help everybody without going on the doll

444
00:20:40,853 --> 00:20:44,093
Speaker 15: and write this moment, I'm going to go down now.

445
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Speaker 15: My husband and I we did this a little little

446
00:20:48,453 --> 00:20:53,853
Speaker 15: house up in Welford, and over this last few years

447
00:20:54,013 --> 00:20:58,453
Speaker 15: it has been absolutely destroyed. I am now paying my

448
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Speaker 15: pension off to actually pay the original lawyer of my

449
00:21:04,773 --> 00:21:12,653
Speaker 15: husband's family to actually paid for And we've had the

450
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Speaker 15: police informed in everything. And I have known also that

451
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Speaker 15: during this COVID thing, we as pensioners were helping people

452
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Speaker 15: with their families. And even like tomorrow, we have what

453
00:21:27,773 --> 00:21:32,133
Speaker 15: we've got tomorrow, we have got mister bulgeous service. Well

454
00:21:32,613 --> 00:21:36,133
Speaker 15: you talk to an own National Party person, they didn't

455
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Speaker 15: even know it was on. And that's how messy our

456
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Speaker 15: our country isn't.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a lot. There's a lot to unpack here, jeans.

458
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Speaker 2: So how's your retirement going, just generally speaking, Well, be.

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Speaker 15: Honest, we have been with the local bodies down here

460
00:21:52,613 --> 00:21:56,213
Speaker 15: and election and I did a lot of work in

461
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Speaker 15: Buckham's Beach during our day. And I started off from Kragian,

462
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Speaker 15: you know, and with the ad Yes, and I actually

463
00:22:07,173 --> 00:22:12,733
Speaker 15: got my first pray plane put up to orkantall from

464
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Speaker 15: our first job. And this is what we all had

465
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Speaker 15: to do in the country.

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Speaker 2: What kind of plane was it? What kind of plane

467
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Speaker 2: was it? Did they have propellers?

468
00:22:22,373 --> 00:22:25,413
Speaker 15: A little true theater? Do you know at the school

469
00:22:25,493 --> 00:22:28,813
Speaker 15: down here, the old boys are actually helping the boys

470
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Speaker 15: to make planes.

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Speaker 16: This is how.

472
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Speaker 15: And my husband was in the in the in the

473
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Speaker 15: Navy in Devonport. So and I've done so much in

474
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Speaker 15: this country.

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Speaker 2: How long have you been retired for it? You sound

476
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Speaker 2: like you've been a very You've contributed greatly to our

477
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Speaker 2: country over the years. Gene, thank you so much for that.

478
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Speaker 2: How long have you been retired for Jeane?

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Speaker 15: Let me finish? Can I finish?

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Speaker 2: You get to the point? That would be awesome some

481
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Speaker 2: if you get an opportunity to get to the point,

482
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Speaker 2: there'd be awesome, Jane.

483
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Speaker 15: If no, I've been down the road all right, and

484
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Speaker 15: it's it's the shop is as the road from the

485
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Speaker 15: old post office and it's a computer shop. You go

486
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Speaker 15: in there and you want to speak to someone and

487
00:23:18,333 --> 00:23:22,333
Speaker 15: it's Dorry a I And I said, are you are

488
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Speaker 15: you artificial and paladin for your artificial incinmination for our

489
00:23:27,093 --> 00:23:31,813
Speaker 15: brains because our seventy year old we we's been and

490
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Speaker 15: worked in officers and all sorts of.

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Speaker 2: There was a robot working in the shop? Was there

492
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Speaker 2: a robot working in the shop?

493
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Speaker 15: Yes, And that's what you want to listen to.

494
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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 15: And I've helped so many people, you know. I've had

496
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Speaker 15: people down here that have come from Beatons and they

497
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Speaker 15: had to move because they couldn't know they weren't allowed

498
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Speaker 15: to work because of the these COVID thing. And you've

499
00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:04,292
Speaker 15: got no idea the people that I have met, and

500
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Speaker 15: you know, and and and.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you just one more thing, just just one

502
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Speaker 2: point one, one more key point. If you can just

503
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Speaker 2: make that one more key point and then we'll well,

504
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Speaker 2: then we'll have to move on, Jean. But we've loved

505
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Speaker 2: your chat.

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Speaker 15: Yes. No, Well, I'm actually speaking for many many people

507
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Speaker 15: and I'm going to go down now and I've got

508
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Speaker 15: to pay the pay the spark, I've got to pay

509
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Speaker 15: for the power, and I'm talking for heats and heaps

510
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Speaker 15: of people. And I observed exactly what happened with the

511
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Speaker 15: local bodies and the whole damn thing is a big

512
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Speaker 15: rought because look at the look how many percentage joined

513
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Speaker 15: in the in the Awkroand city. And I actually I'm

514
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Speaker 15: am in the Awkland city because of awnt been in Wilsford,

515
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Speaker 15: and so the whole thing and our whole world is

516
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Speaker 15: being recycled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, absolutely, Gene, and thank you. We'll just

518
00:25:00,813 --> 00:25:03,533
Speaker 2: get through. We'll have to unpack the seventy eight points

519
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Speaker 2: you made there. But all the best there, all the

520
00:25:06,013 --> 00:25:08,013
Speaker 2: best out there. That sounds like a lot of challenges

521
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Speaker 2: in your retirement. She thanks you so much for the call.

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Speaker 3: Is that enjoying retirement, vir Gene? I mean, bless her,

523
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Speaker 3: She's doing a lot, but that, I mean, there's a

524
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Speaker 3: lot going on in Jean's retirement. I just think maybe

525
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Speaker 3: go back to watching a bit of sport in that

526
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Speaker 3: Gordon's gym.

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Speaker 2: I just just enjoy Yeah. Well, I would say that

528
00:25:26,093 --> 00:25:28,293
Speaker 2: there are a lot of stresses in her retirement, and

529
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Speaker 2: the point that robot walking down at the commuter shop

530
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Speaker 2: super annoying. Yeah you don't want that, I know that

531
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Speaker 2: in our retirements.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five to two headlines with Raylena's coming.

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Speaker 13: Up us talks the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 13: no trouble with a Blue Bubble. Fire crews and helicopters

535
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Speaker 13: are still fighting fires near Kaikoda. Another four are still

536
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Speaker 13: burning in southern Hawks Bay. From midday outdoor fire and

537
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Speaker 13: fireworks were banned in Marlborough, Canterbury, South Canterbury, Hawks Bay

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Speaker 13: and Wellington, where the warnings cover the South Island, the

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Speaker 13: Lower North Island and Hawkes Bay. Met Service is advising

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Speaker 13: people to hunker down tomorrow when red wind warnings will

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Speaker 13: apply for Wellington Southern, Wided Upper and Canterbury, and some

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Speaker 13: strike rallies are being called off tomorrow and Wellington Wided

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Speaker 13: Upper in Canterbury because of the weather, but the massive

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Speaker 13: country wide industrial action will continue in all other centers

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Speaker 13: as planned. Thousands are expected on Auckland's Queen Street and

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Speaker 13: many other North Island cities and towns, with strikers moving

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Speaker 13: Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are chatting

553
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Speaker 3: about your retirement after a recent study from Messi University

554
00:26:58,773 --> 00:27:02,213
Speaker 3: showed that for a couple seeking a pretty comfortable choices,

555
00:27:02,613 --> 00:27:06,373
Speaker 3: our retirement lifestyle. They'll need over a million dollars, just

556
00:27:06,453 --> 00:27:08,653
Speaker 3: over a million dollars in our major city. So what

557
00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:09,973
Speaker 3: do you actually need for your retirement?

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Speaker 2: Can we get Gene back on the line.

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Speaker 3: She's got more to say, it's fair, but bless her, Yeah,

560
00:27:15,893 --> 00:27:16,933
Speaker 3: bless her. I feel like I.

561
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Speaker 2: Feel like I didn't get everything I needed to do

562
00:27:19,133 --> 00:27:22,773
Speaker 2: about the AI, the robot working at the computer shop.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, she's got a lot to do, Jeane, So we

564
00:27:25,573 --> 00:27:27,413
Speaker 3: might try and get her back once she's sorted out

565
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:28,373
Speaker 3: that AI situation.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mitten Tyler, is the one million for a comfortable

567
00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:34,813
Speaker 2: retirement in twenty twenty five or the future. And does

568
00:27:34,813 --> 00:27:38,213
Speaker 2: that include property assets or just cash in hand? Yes,

569
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Speaker 2: So we're going to have We're going to we're going

570
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Speaker 2: to bring on just in a minute to answer all

571
00:27:45,053 --> 00:27:51,533
Speaker 2: these questions. You know, Clear Matthews, Associate Professor, Clear Matthews

572
00:27:51,613 --> 00:27:53,333
Speaker 2: is going to jump on to talk about and answer

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Speaker 2: all those questions about retirement. I'm planning to live in

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Speaker 2: a tent by a beach somewhere when I retire, get

575
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Speaker 2: the kids to deliver me beer, and go fishing every day.

576
00:27:59,973 --> 00:28:02,893
Speaker 2: See this is my point, My point, does do you

577
00:28:03,053 --> 00:28:06,853
Speaker 2: need a lot of money, and what is the choice's retirement?

578
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:08,653
Speaker 2: The whole idea that we need money to do all

579
00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:12,373
Speaker 2: these kind of things. But if you're around family and

580
00:28:12,853 --> 00:28:15,493
Speaker 2: I don't know, you get to go fishing, get a

581
00:28:15,533 --> 00:28:18,533
Speaker 2: bit of watch, a bit of sports.

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00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:20,173
Speaker 3: Joined the bowls club. You know what do you really need?

583
00:28:20,253 --> 00:28:22,293
Speaker 3: Social connection? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

584
00:28:22,293 --> 00:28:22,893
Speaker 3: the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Retirement is such a fabulous chapter. And every day I

586
00:28:25,213 --> 00:28:27,893
Speaker 2: wake up excited for what waits. I live on about

587
00:28:28,253 --> 00:28:31,733
Speaker 2: fifty four k per anum, which gives me a wonderful life,

588
00:28:31,773 --> 00:28:35,293
Speaker 2: including overseas travel. I have found my wants have reduced

589
00:28:35,293 --> 00:28:39,493
Speaker 2: greatly as relationships and time is my new currency. Seventy

590
00:28:40,933 --> 00:28:42,333
Speaker 2: year old solo woman.

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Speaker 3: Nice, that's a great text.

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00:28:43,773 --> 00:28:46,973
Speaker 2: See you go. So she needs fifty four thousand dollars

593
00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:49,373
Speaker 2: a year, which she gets by on fifty four thousand

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00:28:49,413 --> 00:28:49,973
Speaker 2: dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: That's great. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

596
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:54,613
Speaker 3: the number to call. Love to hear what you actually

597
00:28:54,613 --> 00:28:56,813
Speaker 3: think you'll need in your retirement or how has it gone?

598
00:28:56,813 --> 00:28:59,533
Speaker 3: If you have retired and you had these lofty ideas

599
00:28:59,533 --> 00:29:01,093
Speaker 3: and you found that a bit of a no frills

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00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:03,613
Speaker 3: retirement actually worked out better for you. Nine two niney

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Speaker 3: two is the text number. And if you've got a

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00:29:05,973 --> 00:29:08,973
Speaker 3: question for Associate Professor Clear Matthews, she was the lead

603
00:29:09,013 --> 00:29:11,933
Speaker 3: author of the study, come on through via the text

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00:29:11,933 --> 00:29:14,813
Speaker 3: machine nine two ninety two because she is coming up next.

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Speaker 3: It is nineteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is sixteen to two. So,

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Speaker 3: as we've been discussing, a recent study from Messi University

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00:29:30,973 --> 00:29:33,453
Speaker 3: reveals that for a couple seeking a comfortable lifestyle in

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00:29:33,493 --> 00:29:35,893
Speaker 3: New Zealand's major cities, and this the egg of over

612
00:29:35,973 --> 00:29:38,893
Speaker 3: one million might be necessary. Even a modest no frills

613
00:29:38,893 --> 00:29:42,533
Speaker 3: lifestyle could require hundreds of thousands in savings. Joining us

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Speaker 3: now is lead author Associate Professor Claire Matthew's very good

615
00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:49,493
Speaker 3: afternoon to you. Professor, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So what are the numbers currently across the types of

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00:29:53,373 --> 00:29:56,653
Speaker 2: retirement you're talking about? And how come they've changed so

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00:29:56,733 --> 00:29:58,533
Speaker 2: much since the last retirement report.

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Speaker 17: For the last question.

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Speaker 4: First, so they've changed because we've adjusted them for inflation,

621
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Speaker 4: for the twelve months. So the previous report was for

622
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Speaker 4: the shou thirty two twenty twenty four. This now adjusts

623
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Speaker 4: those numbers for inflation through to the thirty to June

624
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, and that inflation adjustment is done at

625
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Speaker 4: the class level, so we don't just apply CPI of

626
00:30:20,173 --> 00:30:22,773
Speaker 4: two point seven. We go down into the bits that

627
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Speaker 4: make up that CPI. So in terms of the amounts,

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00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:29,293
Speaker 4: it does vary according to whether you're talking in one

629
00:30:29,373 --> 00:30:32,173
Speaker 4: or two person household, what type of lifestyle you want,

630
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:35,053
Speaker 4: a more basic lifestyle no frills, or one where you've

631
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Speaker 4: got more choices. And they're then also whether you living

632
00:30:38,493 --> 00:30:41,413
Speaker 4: in a metro or provincial. But the love sums that

633
00:30:41,493 --> 00:30:44,533
Speaker 4: we suggest you need are from forty six thousand two,

634
00:30:44,573 --> 00:30:47,213
Speaker 4: as you know, just over a million dollars. But it

635
00:30:47,293 --> 00:30:49,813
Speaker 4: is worth noting that that million dollars is for a couple,

636
00:30:50,173 --> 00:30:52,333
Speaker 4: so it's two people saving that, so it's half a

637
00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:52,853
Speaker 4: million each.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And what do you mean by a choice's retirement?

639
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:58,333
Speaker 2: What exactly is that?

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00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:02,933
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, what a choice is retirement looks like

641
00:31:03,013 --> 00:31:06,373
Speaker 4: really does come down to the individual or the individuals involved.

642
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:09,413
Speaker 4: But essentially what it means is that you have got misses,

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00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:13,573
Speaker 4: you've got some flexibility that you've got enough money to

644
00:31:13,653 --> 00:31:16,613
Speaker 4: say what do I want to do? As opposed to

645
00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:20,253
Speaker 4: having to simply budget According to you've got a certain

646
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,013
Speaker 4: amount of money and you've got to make your spending

647
00:31:22,093 --> 00:31:25,173
Speaker 4: fit that with the choices lifestyle. You should have enough

648
00:31:25,173 --> 00:31:27,013
Speaker 4: money that you can say, well, okay, what would I

649
00:31:27,133 --> 00:31:30,133
Speaker 4: like to do? I can do this or this? Which

650
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:32,493
Speaker 4: do I prefer to do as opposed to well, I

651
00:31:32,533 --> 00:31:34,493
Speaker 4: can only afford to do one or the other. And

652
00:31:34,573 --> 00:31:37,613
Speaker 4: so rather than the money dictating what you do, you've

653
00:31:37,613 --> 00:31:39,733
Speaker 4: got choices about how you spend your life.

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00:31:39,973 --> 00:31:41,653
Speaker 2: Is there anywhere in New Zealand where you can just

655
00:31:41,773 --> 00:31:44,933
Speaker 2: live on Super as it is?

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00:31:45,933 --> 00:31:46,053
Speaker 16: Well?

657
00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:49,373
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and we do have New Zealanders living on just

658
00:31:49,493 --> 00:31:53,413
Speaker 4: Super exactly where those locations are, they'll acually be living

659
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:54,613
Speaker 4: all throughout New Zealand.

660
00:31:55,653 --> 00:31:59,373
Speaker 17: But whether you want the lifestyle that you would.

661
00:31:59,173 --> 00:32:02,213
Speaker 4: Get from living just on New Zealand Super And, for

662
00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:04,373
Speaker 4: most of us, that's not the lifestyle that we dream of,

663
00:32:04,453 --> 00:32:07,853
Speaker 4: but it's quite possible that for individuals that is exactly

664
00:32:07,933 --> 00:32:08,613
Speaker 4: what they want to do.

665
00:32:08,653 --> 00:32:10,213
Speaker 17: They want a very simple lifestyle.

666
00:32:10,973 --> 00:32:13,773
Speaker 4: They've got their probably got their own home, it doesn't

667
00:32:13,813 --> 00:32:16,693
Speaker 4: need a lot of maintenance, and so they can cope

668
00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:19,933
Speaker 4: and you know, possibly grow in their own vegetables, doing

669
00:32:19,973 --> 00:32:23,853
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff self sufficient and therefore nest super sufficient.

670
00:32:24,933 --> 00:32:28,213
Speaker 2: And so when you when you these numbers, are they

671
00:32:28,413 --> 00:32:32,733
Speaker 2: for someone that has paid off their mortgage and your

672
00:32:32,773 --> 00:32:35,693
Speaker 2: living mortgage free and you know, not renting. Is that

673
00:32:35,813 --> 00:32:37,573
Speaker 2: is that where those numbers sit.

674
00:32:39,933 --> 00:32:40,573
Speaker 17: To an extent.

675
00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:43,453
Speaker 4: Yes, So it's not that we make any assumptions about

676
00:32:43,493 --> 00:32:46,133
Speaker 4: what the situation is that people are written. But what

677
00:32:46,173 --> 00:32:48,613
Speaker 4: we know is because these are based on what current

678
00:32:48,693 --> 00:32:52,893
Speaker 4: retirees are spending. You're talking about current retirees who are

679
00:32:52,893 --> 00:32:55,413
Speaker 4: primarily Baby boomers and there's still some of the Silent

680
00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:59,373
Speaker 4: generation older generation left. They have a very high level

681
00:32:59,373 --> 00:33:02,053
Speaker 4: of home ownership, and because they bought their home a

682
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:05,613
Speaker 4: long time ago when they didn't need to borrow as much,

683
00:33:05,773 --> 00:33:09,493
Speaker 4: they do generally have their homelown paer off. So yes,

684
00:33:09,693 --> 00:33:11,973
Speaker 4: it does reflect the fact that most of the current

685
00:33:12,013 --> 00:33:13,893
Speaker 4: retirees are in that situation.

686
00:33:13,493 --> 00:33:14,973
Speaker 17: But it's not making that as a deception.

687
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, professor, why is there quite a big gap between

688
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:22,973
Speaker 3: the one person choices metro lifestyle and the couple a

689
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:26,053
Speaker 3: person choices metro lifestyle. I just knowed and hopefully I've

690
00:33:26,053 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 3: got these figures right. Two hundred and seventy three thousand

691
00:33:28,453 --> 00:33:31,173
Speaker 3: for one person choices and just over a million for

692
00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:32,813
Speaker 3: two people. Why that big.

693
00:33:32,613 --> 00:33:38,053
Speaker 4: Gap beyond there to say that that's something what the

694
00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:41,173
Speaker 4: data shows, I really don't have a better explanation than that.

695
00:33:43,693 --> 00:33:45,973
Speaker 4: What we do is we get stats by zeal And

696
00:33:46,013 --> 00:33:48,733
Speaker 4: collect the data from the household economics, so they put

697
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:50,773
Speaker 4: it together in a way for us, and that's what

698
00:33:50,813 --> 00:33:53,573
Speaker 4: the data has come up and shown us interesting. So

699
00:33:53,693 --> 00:33:56,653
Speaker 4: exactly why that is the case, No, I don't know

700
00:33:56,693 --> 00:33:57,373
Speaker 4: the other I.

701
00:33:57,413 --> 00:34:00,613
Speaker 2: Wonder if that's because if you're on your your single

702
00:34:00,693 --> 00:34:02,693
Speaker 2: you're quite happy just to have a more simple life.

703
00:34:02,693 --> 00:34:05,173
Speaker 2: But if you're a couple, you're both of you coming

704
00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:07,533
Speaker 2: up with ideas of ways to spend money. This is

705
00:34:07,573 --> 00:34:13,212
Speaker 2: sort of a more I guess philosophical question. But do

706
00:34:13,293 --> 00:34:15,813
Speaker 2: people need to get rid of the dream retirement idea?

707
00:34:15,893 --> 00:34:19,093
Speaker 2: Are we imagining things that aren't possible and just don't

708
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:21,333
Speaker 2: need to happen. I mean, if you imagine a retirement

709
00:34:21,373 --> 00:34:25,813
Speaker 2: of travel and doing a glamorous things choices and such,

710
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:27,973
Speaker 2: you might be disappointed. But if you imagine a retirement

711
00:34:28,013 --> 00:34:30,693
Speaker 2: of I don't know, day drinking and watching sport and

712
00:34:30,733 --> 00:34:33,853
Speaker 2: hanging out with your mates. Maybe that is more possible.

713
00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:37,573
Speaker 2: Are we just unrealistic now and what we think of

714
00:34:37,613 --> 00:34:38,893
Speaker 2: retirement could should be.

715
00:34:42,213 --> 00:34:43,493
Speaker 17: That's a really interesting question.

716
00:34:44,573 --> 00:34:50,172
Speaker 4: I'd hate to see people reducing their aspirations for retirement,

717
00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:54,652
Speaker 4: and because to some extent, if you reduce your aspirations,

718
00:34:54,693 --> 00:34:56,013
Speaker 4: then that's what you're going to achieve.

719
00:34:57,413 --> 00:35:00,133
Speaker 17: I think it's better to achieve to be aiming.

720
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:04,373
Speaker 4: High and maybe you won't get exactly to where you

721
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:06,933
Speaker 4: want to. But it's like the saying about if you

722
00:35:08,413 --> 00:35:10,253
Speaker 4: aim for the moon and you might you know, you

723
00:35:10,253 --> 00:35:12,413
Speaker 4: miss the moon, you might go to the stars. It's

724
00:35:12,453 --> 00:35:14,813
Speaker 4: not quite the same thing, but it's about if you

725
00:35:14,853 --> 00:35:17,413
Speaker 4: aim high, you might not get to exactly where you were,

726
00:35:17,453 --> 00:35:19,813
Speaker 4: but you'll be higher than if you aim low and

727
00:35:19,853 --> 00:35:21,053
Speaker 4: you only get to where you were.

728
00:35:21,613 --> 00:35:24,732
Speaker 2: So I guess you should need to aim really high

729
00:35:24,813 --> 00:35:27,773
Speaker 2: in terms of you know, in all the analysis of retirement,

730
00:35:27,973 --> 00:35:32,613
Speaker 2: social connection and being active and remaining a part of

731
00:35:32,653 --> 00:35:38,413
Speaker 2: the community is really important for happiness and health. So

732
00:35:38,933 --> 00:35:42,613
Speaker 2: as well as aiming financially, people probably need to aim

733
00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:45,693
Speaker 2: to keep those social connections going and put that effort

734
00:35:45,693 --> 00:35:50,013
Speaker 2: into keep friendships going, keep family connections going, and keep

735
00:35:50,053 --> 00:35:52,493
Speaker 2: associations with clubs and community groups.

736
00:35:53,573 --> 00:35:53,772
Speaker 17: Oh.

737
00:35:53,853 --> 00:35:57,613
Speaker 4: Absolutely, social connection is really important for everybody, and so

738
00:35:57,893 --> 00:36:00,493
Speaker 4: making sure that you maintain that when you hit retirement.

739
00:36:00,573 --> 00:36:03,493
Speaker 17: I mean that's why some.

740
00:36:02,973 --> 00:36:07,013
Speaker 4: Particularly men struggle when they have work, because they suddenly

741
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,173
Speaker 4: all their social connections we're connected to work and something.

742
00:36:10,213 --> 00:36:12,773
Speaker 4: They lose all those connections and so that makes it

743
00:36:12,813 --> 00:36:16,253
Speaker 4: really hard. So those social connections are really important, so

744
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:17,693
Speaker 4: maintaining those are vital.

745
00:36:18,613 --> 00:36:20,533
Speaker 3: Clear, it's been great to chat with you. Thank you

746
00:36:20,613 --> 00:36:22,773
Speaker 3: very much for joining us and giving us some of

747
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:27,213
Speaker 3: your time. No problem, that is Associate Professor Clear Matthews

748
00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,973
Speaker 3: and a very interesting port report that you can read

749
00:36:30,173 --> 00:36:32,453
Speaker 3: on the New Zealand here. But we're taking your calls,

750
00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:35,373
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What is what does

751
00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:37,493
Speaker 3: retirement look like for you? And what do you think

752
00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:40,493
Speaker 3: you'll need in your retirements? It is nine minutes to two.

753
00:36:40,613 --> 00:36:42,613
Speaker 2: You can live forever on half a million in Thailand,

754
00:36:42,693 --> 00:36:43,333
Speaker 2: says the Steckxter.

755
00:36:43,493 --> 00:36:43,853
Speaker 3: Good to know.

756
00:36:44,333 --> 00:36:46,973
Speaker 2: Good today, madd.

757
00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:50,053
Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred

758
00:36:50,133 --> 00:36:53,453
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

759
00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:54,133
Speaker 1: news talks.

760
00:36:54,173 --> 00:36:54,453
Speaker 18: That'd be.

761
00:36:56,013 --> 00:36:58,293
Speaker 3: It is seven to two. We've been talking about what

762
00:36:58,333 --> 00:37:00,252
Speaker 3: you think you'll need in your retirements.

763
00:37:00,613 --> 00:37:03,292
Speaker 2: I call bs and all your homelessness crap. The state

764
00:37:03,333 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 2: will give you at least four to five hundred a week,

765
00:37:05,653 --> 00:37:07,493
Speaker 2: and you only need to rent one bedroom for one

766
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:10,053
Speaker 2: hundred eight a week. One can survive on. That is

767
00:37:10,133 --> 00:37:14,893
Speaker 2: this tech staff? Ben, Have you retired at forty five?

768
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:18,813
Speaker 2: You have to.

769
00:37:19,053 --> 00:37:23,853
Speaker 12: I thought I was lucky enough to well there, but

770
00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:31,573
Speaker 12: it was well overrated. Yeah, I know, I'm just going

771
00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:33,212
Speaker 12: to go and do all these things that I enjoyed doing,

772
00:37:33,893 --> 00:37:36,053
Speaker 12: and I spent about a year and a half doing it.

773
00:37:38,213 --> 00:37:42,493
Speaker 12: But what I found was I got sick of everything.

774
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:44,853
Speaker 10: After you get sick of bacon and eggs every day

775
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:46,413
Speaker 10: you do, you get sick of baking eggs if you

776
00:37:46,813 --> 00:37:48,573
Speaker 10: I got sick of I got sick of eating fish.

777
00:37:48,573 --> 00:37:50,693
Speaker 10: You know, it's just fishing. I moved down to Stuart

778
00:37:50,693 --> 00:37:55,533
Speaker 10: Island and thought this would be great, and then yeah,

779
00:37:55,573 --> 00:37:58,893
Speaker 10: I just thought I'd get into traveling and and just

780
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,973
Speaker 10: it was just it wasn't what I was expecting. I

781
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:07,813
Speaker 10: ultimately end up going back to work. Yeah, here, I am.

782
00:38:08,373 --> 00:38:10,973
Speaker 2: It's kind of that thing, isn't it. It's holiday is

783
00:38:11,013 --> 00:38:14,573
Speaker 2: exciting because it's brief, right, So because there's always that

784
00:38:14,853 --> 00:38:17,652
Speaker 2: saying that everyone imagines that they want to retire, sit

785
00:38:17,693 --> 00:38:20,133
Speaker 2: on the beach and have and drink pinacoladas, and then

786
00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:21,573
Speaker 2: the next question is what do you want to do?

787
00:38:22,893 --> 00:38:24,053
Speaker 2: You know, half an hour after that?

788
00:38:24,293 --> 00:38:28,133
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah it man, that's exactly it. And yeah, I

789
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 10: can tell you bacon they're great, but yeah, I enjoy weekbeaks.

790
00:38:33,213 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 3: Yeah well I suppose yeah, yeah, you're enough too, But

791
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:37,333
Speaker 3: I suppose being for you as well. Mate, retiring at

792
00:38:37,373 --> 00:38:40,212
Speaker 3: forty five and your midweek and think, man, I could

793
00:38:40,293 --> 00:38:42,093
Speaker 3: use some company. I wonder what my mates are up to.

794
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:44,053
Speaker 3: They're all at work, so that doesn't help.

795
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:44,893
Speaker 19: Everybody that works.

796
00:38:45,013 --> 00:38:45,973
Speaker 10: Everybody work.

797
00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:48,613
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, and if and if we're to coming time

798
00:38:48,693 --> 00:38:50,253
Speaker 12: to catch it up with them, I was expected to

799
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:52,133
Speaker 12: shout because I had more money than them.

800
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:54,773
Speaker 10: And they knew it.

801
00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:58,293
Speaker 20: So yeah, so your.

802
00:38:57,813 --> 00:39:00,853
Speaker 2: Advice is that your advice has never retire. Thank you

803
00:39:00,893 --> 00:39:04,253
Speaker 2: so much for cole being appreciate appreciate that, But I

804
00:39:04,293 --> 00:39:06,333
Speaker 2: know what being are saying. So my son was in

805
00:39:06,573 --> 00:39:09,772
Speaker 2: hospital recently for the week, and I say this is great,

806
00:39:09,773 --> 00:39:11,493
Speaker 2: you can just watch everything you want, and he goes,

807
00:39:11,693 --> 00:39:14,613
Speaker 2: it's boring, you know, and playing video games is boring.

808
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:18,053
Speaker 2: Watching what it watching Netflix and playing videos is boring

809
00:39:18,053 --> 00:39:20,133
Speaker 2: when you can do it all the time. Yeah, yeah,

810
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,253
Speaker 2: I mean that seems like a shallow way to look

811
00:39:22,253 --> 00:39:25,053
Speaker 2: at it. But part of the reason why holidays are

812
00:39:25,053 --> 00:39:27,613
Speaker 2: so enjoyable is because the scarcity of them and the

813
00:39:27,613 --> 00:39:30,652
Speaker 2: bre brevity of them. You know, they're disappearing fast. So

814
00:39:30,693 --> 00:39:34,333
Speaker 2: everything's so important and exciting. Nicely said, but but you know,

815
00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:36,893
Speaker 2: so many people have been on holiday for you know.

816
00:39:37,133 --> 00:39:39,333
Speaker 2: I was just recently in Figi and I was talking

817
00:39:39,413 --> 00:39:41,413
Speaker 2: to this couple that had been at the resort for

818
00:39:41,453 --> 00:39:43,973
Speaker 2: three weeks and they were they were they were in

819
00:39:44,013 --> 00:39:44,573
Speaker 2: a bad stack.

820
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:47,013
Speaker 3: It's too long too They need to go home.

821
00:39:47,093 --> 00:39:48,613
Speaker 2: They need they need something else.

822
00:39:48,693 --> 00:39:51,093
Speaker 3: So with that in mind, mate, your retirement of watching

823
00:39:51,133 --> 00:39:53,973
Speaker 3: sport and drinking a bit of Gordon's gym during the day,

824
00:39:54,413 --> 00:39:55,253
Speaker 3: you're going to need more than that.

825
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:56,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably going to need more than that. You

826
00:39:56,733 --> 00:39:59,293
Speaker 2: need something more meaningful. Hey, that that last hour was

827
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:00,933
Speaker 2: a total shamozzle and we never got to the topics.

828
00:40:00,933 --> 00:40:02,732
Speaker 2: So we'll just keep it going for another fifteen minutes

829
00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:04,613
Speaker 2: after the break and actually get to some callers to

830
00:40:04,653 --> 00:40:05,293
Speaker 2: talk about the topic.

831
00:40:05,573 --> 00:40:08,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got plenty there. Absolute from you are eight

832
00:40:08,733 --> 00:40:10,773
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number of cour

833
00:40:11,053 --> 00:40:13,333
Speaker 3: blessed Gene. I would say, hope she's doing well, great

834
00:40:13,373 --> 00:40:13,853
Speaker 3: New Zealand.

835
00:40:15,613 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams

836
00:40:19,453 --> 00:40:21,533
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk ZIVY.

837
00:40:22,853 --> 00:40:25,453
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

838
00:40:25,493 --> 00:40:27,293
Speaker 3: At seven past two. We're going to carry on with

839
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:29,853
Speaker 3: our discussion about retirement. It's on the back of new

840
00:40:29,893 --> 00:40:32,413
Speaker 3: research out of Massive University. It's found that if you're

841
00:40:32,413 --> 00:40:35,172
Speaker 3: planning to retire comfortably in one of New Zealand's big

842
00:40:35,213 --> 00:40:38,293
Speaker 3: cities Auckland, Wellington and to a lesser exting Christ, you

843
00:40:38,333 --> 00:40:40,613
Speaker 3: may need to have more than a million dollars saved.

844
00:40:40,613 --> 00:40:42,652
Speaker 3: And even if you're aiming for a more modest, no

845
00:40:42,733 --> 00:40:45,853
Speaker 3: frills lifestyle, it could still take a serious chunk of

846
00:40:45,893 --> 00:40:47,373
Speaker 3: savings to make ends meet.

847
00:40:47,653 --> 00:40:49,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, and last hour turned a little bit of a smuzzle.

848
00:40:49,853 --> 00:40:53,733
Speaker 2: We got a bogged down and Jurgen Klop talk and

849
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:57,773
Speaker 2: then we've got a very interesting call from gene and

850
00:40:57,853 --> 00:40:59,453
Speaker 2: she had a lot of issues that she raised up,

851
00:40:59,493 --> 00:41:01,013
Speaker 2: but very ready to say this is why I love

852
00:41:01,093 --> 00:41:03,253
Speaker 2: this job. Yeah, because you never know what you're going

853
00:41:03,293 --> 00:41:05,173
Speaker 2: to get. Thanks, You'll never know what you're going to

854
00:41:05,293 --> 00:41:09,373
Speaker 2: learn as a newstalk ZB talk back host. It's very

855
00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:11,653
Speaker 2: grateful to be here and get all the people ringing

856
00:41:11,653 --> 00:41:13,213
Speaker 2: through on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and

857
00:41:13,293 --> 00:41:14,493
Speaker 2: just sharing their life.

858
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:16,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've just got to ride that train. Whatever that

859
00:41:16,693 --> 00:41:20,013
Speaker 3: train looks like when it comes on through. How good, Maria,

860
00:41:20,093 --> 00:41:23,773
Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Well, your thoughts on retirement.

861
00:41:25,453 --> 00:41:28,293
Speaker 6: Okay, hey, yeah, thanks Saorah and taking my course. My

862
00:41:28,453 --> 00:41:31,613
Speaker 6: thoughts are and I don't know exactly what the research

863
00:41:31,653 --> 00:41:36,413
Speaker 6: has been based on, but I think as you get older,

864
00:41:36,453 --> 00:41:39,813
Speaker 6: your expectations and your needs changed. So the other guy

865
00:41:39,933 --> 00:41:42,812
Speaker 6: was riding it is between four and five hundred dollars

866
00:41:42,853 --> 00:41:46,172
Speaker 6: a week that you will get on a tension and yeah,

867
00:41:46,293 --> 00:41:50,333
Speaker 6: it is pretty slim to live on that, However, it depends.

868
00:41:50,493 --> 00:41:53,893
Speaker 6: I think the key is to having a freehold home.

869
00:41:54,093 --> 00:41:59,453
Speaker 6: If you're freehold, things are a lot more doable, yes,

870
00:41:59,733 --> 00:42:01,652
Speaker 6: in terms of your not having to pay rents. If

871
00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:03,693
Speaker 6: you had a freehold home, You're still going to have

872
00:42:03,733 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 6: things like rates and insurance, and the way I look

873
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:07,812
Speaker 6: at things, and that the way I voiced looked at things,

874
00:42:07,933 --> 00:42:11,213
Speaker 6: if I could cover my basis, my basic needs, then

875
00:42:11,293 --> 00:42:13,893
Speaker 6: everything else as a bonus. Yeah, if I can cople

876
00:42:14,213 --> 00:42:17,172
Speaker 6: my yeah, and my my rates and my insurance and

877
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 6: my electricity and my gas or whatever I've got. And

878
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:24,533
Speaker 6: then and I just noticed, as I'm getting older, I

879
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:28,173
Speaker 6: don't need or want as many things as I used to.

880
00:42:29,653 --> 00:42:32,652
Speaker 6: I don't eat anywhere nearest amounts of food as I

881
00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:34,813
Speaker 6: used to when I was in my thirties and forties.

882
00:42:35,213 --> 00:42:36,933
Speaker 6: You know, I eat it much smaller. So I'm not

883
00:42:36,973 --> 00:42:39,293
Speaker 6: going out and spending two hundred dollars a week on

884
00:42:39,333 --> 00:42:41,853
Speaker 6: groceries anymore because I don't eat that amount of food

885
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:45,253
Speaker 6: anymore as I'm getting older. And then say, well, you know,

886
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:47,413
Speaker 6: might want to have a trip overseas. Yeah, I might,

887
00:42:47,453 --> 00:42:49,133
Speaker 6: But when I'm seventy five, I might I have a

888
00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:53,293
Speaker 6: trip overseas because that's huge. It's really big, giving on

889
00:42:53,373 --> 00:42:55,973
Speaker 6: a plane and taking a suitcase and working out where

890
00:42:55,973 --> 00:42:59,133
Speaker 6: you're going. And you know, like things change when you're older.

891
00:42:59,173 --> 00:43:02,013
Speaker 6: You're not as quick as a start, so things that

892
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:03,573
Speaker 6: you used to do, like I need to do this,

893
00:43:03,653 --> 00:43:05,493
Speaker 6: I need to do that. You might not want to

894
00:43:05,493 --> 00:43:06,373
Speaker 6: do them when you're older.

895
00:43:07,533 --> 00:43:10,172
Speaker 2: Would you suggest, instead of saving to do those things

896
00:43:10,173 --> 00:43:14,013
Speaker 2: when you're retired, spend that money early when you've got

897
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:15,692
Speaker 2: the energy and the excitement around it.

898
00:43:17,813 --> 00:43:21,733
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, But I've always been a saver my whole life.

899
00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:25,652
Speaker 6: I've always been a saver. Is it not a little bit?

900
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:28,213
Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's a good philosophy to have. But is

901
00:43:28,253 --> 00:43:30,973
Speaker 3: it not part of you, Maria that I take it

902
00:43:31,013 --> 00:43:33,693
Speaker 3: to you if you're a few years away from retirement.

903
00:43:34,373 --> 00:43:36,893
Speaker 6: Oh, just yeah, not too many.

904
00:43:37,453 --> 00:43:39,093
Speaker 3: Is there a part of you that thinks this is

905
00:43:39,173 --> 00:43:41,093
Speaker 3: just my mentality and I'm a wae way away from

906
00:43:41,093 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 3: it that by the time I get to that stage,

907
00:43:44,013 --> 00:43:47,253
Speaker 3: my worries will be limited in terms of you know

908
00:43:47,413 --> 00:43:49,333
Speaker 3: that I don't really have stresses at work, but that

909
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:53,413
Speaker 3: thinking about the work environment and all that the hours

910
00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:55,533
Speaker 3: and there that that takes. Once I hit sixty five,

911
00:43:55,573 --> 00:43:57,692
Speaker 3: that's my time to take a breather and do all

912
00:43:57,693 --> 00:44:00,013
Speaker 3: those wonderful things I've always wanted to do but didn't

913
00:44:00,053 --> 00:44:04,213
Speaker 3: have the time or the ability to do that without

914
00:44:04,213 --> 00:44:05,853
Speaker 3: worrying about other aspects of life.

915
00:44:08,413 --> 00:44:10,773
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, So I think there's there's a twofold answer

916
00:44:10,733 --> 00:44:14,533
Speaker 6: to that. I think one is expectation, and then what

917
00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:17,213
Speaker 6: I want to do what somebody else mnd to do

918
00:44:17,293 --> 00:44:19,573
Speaker 6: might be, might be you know, I'm you know, maybe

919
00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:24,453
Speaker 6: a little bit like you know, sitting around just evid

920
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,813
Speaker 6: a few gen T's downs is great fun for me.

921
00:44:27,053 --> 00:44:28,973
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed you. Is that just chilling out?

922
00:44:29,133 --> 00:44:30,533
Speaker 3: Yeah?

923
00:44:30,893 --> 00:44:36,453
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think, yeah, I'm not intending to stop

924
00:44:36,453 --> 00:44:40,173
Speaker 6: working I'm sixty five because I couldn't have imagine what

925
00:44:40,173 --> 00:44:40,853
Speaker 6: I would do all day?

926
00:44:40,893 --> 00:44:41,493
Speaker 15: What would I do?

927
00:44:42,453 --> 00:44:44,453
Speaker 6: I will really turn into a caps potato. I know

928
00:44:44,533 --> 00:44:45,093
Speaker 6: that about me.

929
00:44:45,573 --> 00:44:48,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this text Maria says, I'm forty two and

930
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:50,653
Speaker 2: semi retired jan this year, solar business stuff for the

931
00:44:50,733 --> 00:44:53,773
Speaker 2: years of hard graft, paid off the mortgage. Only recently

932
00:44:54,373 --> 00:44:56,333
Speaker 2: just picked up a job one day a week just

933
00:44:56,373 --> 00:44:57,253
Speaker 2: to keep me sane.

934
00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:01,973
Speaker 6: So yes, I'm paying to work till I'm seventeen, and

935
00:45:01,973 --> 00:45:03,453
Speaker 6: then I might go down to part time if I

936
00:45:03,453 --> 00:45:05,933
Speaker 6: still can, and if it's still working for everybody today,

937
00:45:05,933 --> 00:45:07,692
Speaker 6: I kind of imagine what I wouldn't do all day.

938
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:10,493
Speaker 3: So the philosophy chat or that thinking, did that change

939
00:45:10,533 --> 00:45:13,093
Speaker 3: the closer you're getting to retirement. I'm just really interested

940
00:45:13,173 --> 00:45:16,293
Speaker 3: that whether a lot of people think the way I'm

941
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:18,493
Speaker 3: thinking at the age of forty, that I'm going to

942
00:45:18,573 --> 00:45:20,813
Speaker 3: have this massive breather and do all these wonderful things

943
00:45:20,813 --> 00:45:23,413
Speaker 3: when I finally get to retire, that's my time to

944
00:45:23,493 --> 00:45:25,652
Speaker 3: finally do all the things I ever wanted to do.

945
00:45:26,053 --> 00:45:28,173
Speaker 3: Whether that's just fuzzy thinking and by the time you

946
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:30,013
Speaker 3: get closer to it, you get a bit more wise

947
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:32,613
Speaker 3: and you realize that, hey, that was that's not really

948
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:33,893
Speaker 3: the reality of retirement.

949
00:45:36,213 --> 00:45:40,613
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, so yeah, so that's really interesting question. So

950
00:45:40,813 --> 00:45:44,573
Speaker 6: just from other friends of mine, their lives change in

951
00:45:44,573 --> 00:45:46,693
Speaker 6: different way. So yes, when I go, oh, you know,

952
00:45:46,693 --> 00:45:48,893
Speaker 6: I'm so great man, I'm retired sixty five, had a

953
00:45:48,893 --> 00:45:51,493
Speaker 6: big party, got a gold watch, ya ya ya, and

954
00:45:51,573 --> 00:45:53,293
Speaker 6: now I'm looking after all the grandchildren.

955
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:53,933
Speaker 18: I love it.

956
00:45:54,253 --> 00:45:54,733
Speaker 3: Yeah.

957
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:56,813
Speaker 6: I love looking at it because then you go, well,

958
00:45:56,853 --> 00:45:58,053
Speaker 6: when am I going to do all those things I

959
00:45:58,053 --> 00:45:59,613
Speaker 6: said I was going to do and ask forty because

960
00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:01,652
Speaker 6: now I just want to stay here and pick up

961
00:46:01,693 --> 00:46:03,853
Speaker 6: Katie and Sam from KINDI every day and that's my

962
00:46:03,893 --> 00:46:04,613
Speaker 6: life and I love it.

963
00:46:04,653 --> 00:46:05,053
Speaker 3: That's love.

964
00:46:05,093 --> 00:46:08,053
Speaker 2: See, That's what I was saying, Maria, for me, for me,

965
00:46:09,093 --> 00:46:11,613
Speaker 2: for me when I retire, if I ever retire, and

966
00:46:12,053 --> 00:46:14,893
Speaker 2: and it's a ways away from me, but I pictured

967
00:46:14,893 --> 00:46:17,373
Speaker 2: that being a great life if you could be contribute

968
00:46:18,013 --> 00:46:20,453
Speaker 2: to your grandkid's life. I love the idea of a

969
00:46:20,493 --> 00:46:22,573
Speaker 2: granny a granny flat. It have to be a granddad

970
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:25,813
Speaker 2: flat for me. Yeah, living on out the back of

971
00:46:25,893 --> 00:46:27,853
Speaker 2: one of my kids' houses. I've got a big TV

972
00:46:27,973 --> 00:46:30,133
Speaker 2: to watch some sport. We've got a few G and t's,

973
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:32,213
Speaker 2: as you say, Maria, and then I'm helping out with

974
00:46:32,293 --> 00:46:34,573
Speaker 2: the kids, obviously not G and t's. When i've when

975
00:46:34,573 --> 00:46:36,173
Speaker 2: I've got when I'm called pick up and.

976
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:38,293
Speaker 6: I love that.

977
00:46:38,653 --> 00:46:41,093
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think do you think potentially do you

978
00:46:41,093 --> 00:46:43,533
Speaker 2: think I was thinking about this. Do you think potentially

979
00:46:43,533 --> 00:46:46,173
Speaker 2: that people feel pressure to live these dream lives And

980
00:46:46,213 --> 00:46:50,373
Speaker 2: it's sort of the instagramivocation of retirement as well, the

981
00:46:50,493 --> 00:46:54,253
Speaker 2: sort of photo frame where you have to you have

982
00:46:54,293 --> 00:46:56,293
Speaker 2: to live up to this ideal that you're going to retire,

983
00:46:56,333 --> 00:46:58,373
Speaker 2: You're going to travel, you're going to see these things,

984
00:46:58,373 --> 00:47:02,693
Speaker 2: You're going to have these amazing experiences. But as you say, Maria,

985
00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:05,733
Speaker 2: if that experience means involved being away from the family

986
00:47:06,093 --> 00:47:10,013
Speaker 2: and grandkids and friends and such. Is that really so great?

987
00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:11,213
Speaker 21: Are you?

988
00:47:11,573 --> 00:47:13,693
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying is right, are people doing

989
00:47:13,733 --> 00:47:17,973
Speaker 2: these retirement amazing adventures for themselves or for the perception

990
00:47:18,053 --> 00:47:19,533
Speaker 2: that they're having an amazing retirement.

991
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:23,493
Speaker 6: Well, you just made me think of something else. Now,

992
00:47:23,533 --> 00:47:27,853
Speaker 6: So if your life has always been family orientated, if

993
00:47:27,853 --> 00:47:32,773
Speaker 6: one's life has always been family orientated, then I would

994
00:47:32,773 --> 00:47:35,693
Speaker 6: be surprised to someone who's been family orientated all of

995
00:47:35,733 --> 00:47:37,772
Speaker 6: their life to time to say right now, I'm sixty five,

996
00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:41,172
Speaker 6: buggy you guys, I'm off here because that hasn't been

997
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:45,053
Speaker 6: your life hasn't been you. But someone who is still

998
00:47:45,093 --> 00:47:47,413
Speaker 6: traveling maybe, And I could be completely wrong. This isn't

999
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:50,373
Speaker 6: me just thinking talking to you. Nobody's listening. If people

1000
00:47:50,413 --> 00:47:54,613
Speaker 6: are still traveling when they're older. When they're older, if

1001
00:47:54,653 --> 00:47:57,732
Speaker 6: they're still traveling, they maybe did all let their whole

1002
00:47:57,773 --> 00:48:01,893
Speaker 6: life anyway, but it's just continuing doing what they always did.

1003
00:48:02,453 --> 00:48:03,893
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's hard to know.

1004
00:48:04,733 --> 00:48:07,453
Speaker 6: All I'm just what I'm saying is from my experience

1005
00:48:07,533 --> 00:48:10,333
Speaker 6: is I've just noticed that as I'm getting older, the

1006
00:48:10,413 --> 00:48:13,373
Speaker 6: things that really wanted that I did when I was young,

1007
00:48:13,413 --> 00:48:14,573
Speaker 6: I think, Oh, no, I'm too tight.

1008
00:48:14,733 --> 00:48:18,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're retired, and then you you're yoloing

1009
00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:20,613
Speaker 2: up the much you peach you trail and you're just thinking,

1010
00:48:20,653 --> 00:48:21,973
Speaker 2: I wouldn't actually mind.

1011
00:48:21,773 --> 00:48:23,613
Speaker 3: Just being back at home and we go back to

1012
00:48:23,693 --> 00:48:24,053
Speaker 3: the hotel.

1013
00:48:24,133 --> 00:48:27,333
Speaker 2: But I'm wondering what my grandkids are up to.

1014
00:48:27,373 --> 00:48:27,453
Speaker 16: You.

1015
00:48:27,653 --> 00:48:28,973
Speaker 2: I hear one of the you know, one of them's

1016
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:31,333
Speaker 2: made it into a soccer tournament, and you know one

1017
00:48:31,373 --> 00:48:33,533
Speaker 2: of them's playing, one of them play, you know, one

1018
00:48:33,573 --> 00:48:36,493
Speaker 2: of them's made the rowing team. I wouldn't mind going

1019
00:48:36,533 --> 00:48:39,613
Speaker 2: down to Marty Caup to watch them or something just

1020
00:48:39,653 --> 00:48:41,973
Speaker 2: down the road. You know, Maria, thank you so much

1021
00:48:42,053 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 2: for your call.

1022
00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, really great call. I WIT one hundred and eighty

1023
00:48:44,533 --> 00:48:46,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call if you like

1024
00:48:46,413 --> 00:48:48,813
Speaker 3: Maria and you're you're some years off a time, and

1025
00:48:48,853 --> 00:48:51,212
Speaker 3: do you agree that things have changed as you've got

1026
00:48:51,213 --> 00:48:54,533
Speaker 3: closer and what you value in life has changed as well.

1027
00:48:54,693 --> 00:48:55,693
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you boys.

1028
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:57,653
Speaker 2: The problem is how long will you live? A sobering

1029
00:48:57,653 --> 00:49:00,453
Speaker 2: thought is to generate the minimum wage passively in retirement

1030
00:49:00,533 --> 00:49:03,093
Speaker 2: risk free. You need to invest circle one point two

1031
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,293
Speaker 2: million in government bonds to get the minimum wage.

1032
00:49:05,373 --> 00:49:07,772
Speaker 3: Dave right, Okay, it's done the mess. It is quarter

1033
00:49:07,853 --> 00:49:09,613
Speaker 3: past two. Back very shortly.

1034
00:49:10,813 --> 00:49:15,173
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

1035
00:49:15,213 --> 00:49:18,333
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talks. They'd be.

1036
00:49:20,213 --> 00:49:22,373
Speaker 3: Eighteen pass two. What do you think you'll need in

1037
00:49:22,413 --> 00:49:25,573
Speaker 3: your retirement? If you're nearing retirement, have you thought about it?

1038
00:49:25,613 --> 00:49:28,493
Speaker 3: And have are your values changed in terms of what

1039
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:30,733
Speaker 3: you think you'll be doing in those golden years? Are

1040
00:49:30,733 --> 00:49:32,413
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighties and number.

1041
00:49:32,173 --> 00:49:35,133
Speaker 2: To call, Alan, Welcome to the show. You've got some

1042
00:49:35,213 --> 00:49:37,253
Speaker 2: advice that was given to you when you were younger?

1043
00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:44,652
Speaker 22: Yeah, I had a maid who retired younger and I

1044
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:47,733
Speaker 22: kept on asking him, Terry, how you're getting on with

1045
00:49:48,373 --> 00:49:49,893
Speaker 22: your retirement, And he said, I'll give you some.

1046
00:49:49,853 --> 00:49:54,292
Speaker 21: Advice, son. He said, all your capital expenditure, the new car,

1047
00:49:54,453 --> 00:49:57,213
Speaker 21: the travel, all of that kind of stuff, do before

1048
00:49:57,213 --> 00:50:00,453
Speaker 21: you retire. And if you don't do it before you retire,

1049
00:50:00,533 --> 00:50:02,813
Speaker 21: put the money aside so when you retire you know

1050
00:50:02,853 --> 00:50:06,692
Speaker 21: how much money you've got to live on. And that's

1051
00:50:06,813 --> 00:50:10,373
Speaker 21: really good advice. And I work three days a week.

1052
00:50:10,653 --> 00:50:14,893
Speaker 22: And I'll do that for a little bit longer.

1053
00:50:15,133 --> 00:50:18,053
Speaker 21: But you know the reality is his advice was really

1054
00:50:18,093 --> 00:50:20,893
Speaker 21: really good. So if I want a wheel trip and

1055
00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:22,613
Speaker 21: it's kind of cost forty grand and I don't do

1056
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:25,213
Speaker 21: it before I retire, I put that, I would.

1057
00:50:25,013 --> 00:50:25,853
Speaker 19: Put that aside.

1058
00:50:26,093 --> 00:50:28,933
Speaker 21: Oh wow, so that when I'm really it's not out

1059
00:50:28,933 --> 00:50:31,613
Speaker 21: of the pool of the money I need to survive.

1060
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:35,333
Speaker 2: Did that motivate you not to go on trips? You

1061
00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:38,732
Speaker 2: imagine a trip it's been about forty thousand dollars. You go,

1062
00:50:39,213 --> 00:50:40,613
Speaker 2: I've imagined it, but I'm not going to do it

1063
00:50:40,653 --> 00:50:42,773
Speaker 2: and put that forty thousand dollars away. I mean, there'd

1064
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:44,213
Speaker 2: be a motivation not to do it, wouldn't it.

1065
00:50:46,333 --> 00:50:47,172
Speaker 9: Well, it depends how.

1066
00:50:47,133 --> 00:50:51,253
Speaker 21: Much other money you've got. Really, I think for me,

1067
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:55,692
Speaker 21: I've done some travel and it's a little bit more

1068
00:50:55,693 --> 00:50:59,213
Speaker 21: than I want to do. But I'll do that maybe

1069
00:50:59,813 --> 00:51:04,013
Speaker 21: when I do retire, when I maybe seven issue. But

1070
00:51:04,053 --> 00:51:08,253
Speaker 21: what I do, it's economically viable and it keeps me

1071
00:51:08,453 --> 00:51:12,853
Speaker 21: fit and healthy, and yeah, no, wish out really well.

1072
00:51:13,053 --> 00:51:16,213
Speaker 21: So Terry's advice was really good. To sort out your

1073
00:51:16,253 --> 00:51:19,172
Speaker 21: cantal expenditure before you retire, and you know how much

1074
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:20,133
Speaker 21: you've got to live on.

1075
00:51:20,373 --> 00:51:22,292
Speaker 2: See, I do a thing. That's a bit like that, Ellen.

1076
00:51:22,373 --> 00:51:26,373
Speaker 2: If I buy something extravagant for myself, I punished myself

1077
00:51:26,373 --> 00:51:28,133
Speaker 2: for putting this by putting the same amount of money

1078
00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:30,693
Speaker 2: on my key we saver. Smart. I've been doing this

1079
00:51:30,733 --> 00:51:33,093
Speaker 2: for a while. So if there's a nice watch I

1080
00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:36,693
Speaker 2: want to buy, I go, okay, I'll I'll allow myself

1081
00:51:36,693 --> 00:51:38,973
Speaker 2: to buy that, but I will put the equal amount

1082
00:51:39,013 --> 00:51:40,013
Speaker 2: away as well.

1083
00:51:40,853 --> 00:51:41,733
Speaker 3: It's very smart.

1084
00:51:41,853 --> 00:51:42,253
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1085
00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:47,732
Speaker 3: Did that with the legal ship eight hundred bucks on Lego,

1086
00:51:47,853 --> 00:51:49,493
Speaker 3: eight hundred bucks in the key we saver.

1087
00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:52,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, absolutely, thanks for you call, Ellen.

1088
00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:54,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, cool O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1089
00:51:54,213 --> 00:51:56,093
Speaker 3: is the number to cool. We got plenty of tips

1090
00:51:56,093 --> 00:51:57,732
Speaker 3: coming through. On nine two ninety two.

1091
00:51:57,813 --> 00:52:01,453
Speaker 2: My uncle retired, went fishing and playing golf for several weeks,

1092
00:52:01,493 --> 00:52:03,293
Speaker 2: then got bored and went back to work for ten

1093
00:52:03,373 --> 00:52:06,093
Speaker 2: years more. Find a job that you enjoy and it

1094
00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:09,732
Speaker 2: will feel like you never work. Don't want what you love,

1095
00:52:10,093 --> 00:52:12,773
Speaker 2: rather love what you have. Yeah, I mean, I agree

1096
00:52:12,773 --> 00:52:14,613
Speaker 2: with that, but that was like my dad. He got

1097
00:52:14,613 --> 00:52:16,573
Speaker 2: so excited about retiring. He was talking about it for

1098
00:52:16,613 --> 00:52:19,333
Speaker 2: the longest time, counting down to when he was sixty five.

1099
00:52:19,853 --> 00:52:21,973
Speaker 2: He's talking about a lot. And then I don't think

1100
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:24,053
Speaker 2: he was even retired for a day. He just got

1101
00:52:24,093 --> 00:52:26,893
Speaker 2: another job and missed immediately. Yeah, and then worked for

1102
00:52:26,933 --> 00:52:28,733
Speaker 2: at least another thirteen years.

1103
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:30,653
Speaker 3: Same thing about freedom, isn't it, Because that's what I

1104
00:52:30,693 --> 00:52:34,652
Speaker 3: see as retirement is ultimate freedom. But perhaps people when

1105
00:52:34,693 --> 00:52:38,253
Speaker 3: they get that freedom, realize that freedom can equal boredom.

1106
00:52:38,413 --> 00:52:40,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the stick said up new guys. We sold

1107
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:42,652
Speaker 2: our farm three years ago and I retired. It was

1108
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:45,253
Speaker 2: bloody horrible, plenty of money, plenty of choice, but I

1109
00:52:45,333 --> 00:52:47,973
Speaker 2: just got bored shitless. Then the opportunity came for a

1110
00:52:48,093 --> 00:52:50,733
Speaker 2: job with a rural merchant technical field sales out on

1111
00:52:50,773 --> 00:52:53,333
Speaker 2: the road, which I got, and life is just wonderful again.

1112
00:52:53,613 --> 00:52:56,413
Speaker 2: I'm out meeting talking with farmers, contributing to society, and

1113
00:52:56,453 --> 00:52:57,973
Speaker 2: I don't get bored regards.

1114
00:52:57,613 --> 00:52:59,933
Speaker 3: Graig, Yeah, that's awesome, right. Oh, eight one hundred and

1115
00:52:59,973 --> 00:53:01,893
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty

1116
00:53:01,933 --> 00:53:02,653
Speaker 3: two past.

1117
00:53:02,493 --> 00:53:12,173
Speaker 1: Two, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams after call on Youth Talk zeb.

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00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:13,373
Speaker 3: Twenty four past two.

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00:53:13,893 --> 00:53:15,853
Speaker 2: Gay, we're talking about retirement. How are you?

1120
00:53:16,813 --> 00:53:17,893
Speaker 16: Yes, very good.

1121
00:53:18,613 --> 00:53:23,533
Speaker 7: I've got a different slant on retirement I'm seventy seven, so.

1122
00:53:24,973 --> 00:53:26,453
Speaker 18: I call it.

1123
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:29,813
Speaker 7: I've been retired for quite a while, but I am

1124
00:53:29,893 --> 00:53:34,533
Speaker 7: having an absolute ball. I am now by myself and

1125
00:53:35,533 --> 00:53:41,253
Speaker 7: next week I'm heading to Japan for five weeks by myself,

1126
00:53:41,933 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 7: walking tracks by myself and thoroughly enjoying what I'm doing.

1127
00:53:47,413 --> 00:53:51,893
Speaker 7: Go yeah, I think you've got to work out what

1128
00:53:52,293 --> 00:53:57,333
Speaker 7: you are happiest at doing. And if you're happy at

1129
00:53:57,813 --> 00:54:00,853
Speaker 7: retiring and then going back to it, sure do it.

1130
00:54:01,373 --> 00:54:07,933
Speaker 7: But no, I'm happy at doing Brandmr Duty, going to gym,

1131
00:54:08,453 --> 00:54:10,213
Speaker 7: king and tripping.

1132
00:54:10,893 --> 00:54:14,733
Speaker 2: Do you have do you have? Do you have a

1133
00:54:14,733 --> 00:54:17,133
Speaker 2: good circle of friends? Gay?

1134
00:54:18,053 --> 00:54:22,733
Speaker 7: I have. I have just recently moved from another province

1135
00:54:22,893 --> 00:54:28,133
Speaker 7: up to Auckland because my grandchildren are up here and

1136
00:54:28,413 --> 00:54:32,573
Speaker 7: so at the moment it is difficult for an old

1137
00:54:32,693 --> 00:54:37,732
Speaker 7: lady to find a circle of friends. I had a

1138
00:54:37,773 --> 00:54:41,373
Speaker 7: great circle of friends that are left behind. But the

1139
00:54:41,453 --> 00:54:45,373
Speaker 7: advantage of leaving them behind I go back down and

1140
00:54:45,493 --> 00:54:51,573
Speaker 7: visit them. But I have got the added value of

1141
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:53,413
Speaker 7: the grandchildren and family.

1142
00:54:53,813 --> 00:54:54,333
Speaker 3: That's lovely.

1143
00:54:54,533 --> 00:55:00,093
Speaker 7: So yeah, And I never thought that I would ring

1144
00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:04,933
Speaker 7: up others that I'm sitting or at home at the moment,

1145
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:11,533
Speaker 7: and I was listening to the people that did like retirement. Yeah,

1146
00:55:11,653 --> 00:55:16,533
Speaker 7: there's there's other things in retirement than sitting on the

1147
00:55:16,573 --> 00:55:20,333
Speaker 7: beach drinking G and T or you know, there's a

1148
00:55:20,453 --> 00:55:21,772
Speaker 7: great world out there.

1149
00:55:22,613 --> 00:55:25,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's good that you're you've got

1150
00:55:25,133 --> 00:55:27,133
Speaker 2: your health, so you can go for a big long

1151
00:55:27,173 --> 00:55:30,613
Speaker 2: walk in Japan, right because you know people you never know,

1152
00:55:30,893 --> 00:55:33,493
Speaker 2: you know, some people can't do that at fifty five.

1153
00:55:34,613 --> 00:55:38,173
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, no, Luckily, Luckily, I definitely have my health.

1154
00:55:39,013 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 7: I might be a bit forgetful, you know. I always

1155
00:55:43,013 --> 00:55:44,172
Speaker 7: lose my phone and my.

1156
00:55:44,173 --> 00:55:44,933
Speaker 2: Keys, so.

1157
00:55:47,013 --> 00:55:49,173
Speaker 3: That's you know, just harf for the course.

1158
00:55:49,293 --> 00:55:55,893
Speaker 7: But no, if you I'm only saying that I don't

1159
00:55:55,933 --> 00:56:00,253
Speaker 7: know whatever I would do if I ever lost my license.

1160
00:56:00,853 --> 00:56:05,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very stricting. Hey, but thank you so much

1161
00:56:05,093 --> 00:56:07,413
Speaker 2: for sharing. There's the positive side of it, because so

1162
00:56:07,453 --> 00:56:09,212
Speaker 2: many people saying they were I either hated and went

1163
00:56:09,253 --> 00:56:11,773
Speaker 2: back to work. But Gay's getting a bit out of it.

1164
00:56:11,813 --> 00:56:14,613
Speaker 2: But she's busy with grandkids and stuff she's got going on.

1165
00:56:14,813 --> 00:56:17,493
Speaker 2: This is an email that came through. Hey, Matt and Tyler.

1166
00:56:17,533 --> 00:56:20,733
Speaker 2: I've been listening to the discussion and how much people

1167
00:56:20,773 --> 00:56:22,652
Speaker 2: really need to retire comfortably, and I wanted to share

1168
00:56:22,653 --> 00:56:24,893
Speaker 2: my own experience. I turned sixty five in July and

1169
00:56:24,933 --> 00:56:27,573
Speaker 2: went on to New Zealand Super. I don't have lofty goals.

1170
00:56:27,733 --> 00:56:29,573
Speaker 2: I just want enough to live on. I have multiple

1171
00:56:29,613 --> 00:56:32,733
Speaker 2: sclerosis and was living off my income Protection insurance up

1172
00:56:32,813 --> 00:56:35,253
Speaker 2: until it's expired at age sixty five. This means my

1173
00:56:35,293 --> 00:56:37,373
Speaker 2: income is now limited to SUPER and a small amount

1174
00:56:37,373 --> 00:56:40,493
Speaker 2: of savings. My SUPER is one thousand and seventy five

1175
00:56:40,533 --> 00:56:43,213
Speaker 2: dollars a fortnite and my renter is eight hundred. That

1176
00:56:43,333 --> 00:56:45,413
Speaker 2: leads me with around one hundred and thirty eight dollars

1177
00:56:45,453 --> 00:56:49,212
Speaker 2: a week to cover food, power, phone, transport and everything else.

1178
00:56:50,053 --> 00:56:51,973
Speaker 2: Having to draw about three hundred a week from my

1179
00:56:52,093 --> 00:56:54,613
Speaker 2: rapidly diminishing twenty thousand dollars key, we save it just

1180
00:56:54,613 --> 00:56:58,653
Speaker 2: to get by. According to official calculations. The Household Expenditure Guide,

1181
00:56:58,933 --> 00:57:04,773
Speaker 2: quoted to me by ID and MSD apparently have a surplus.

1182
00:57:04,813 --> 00:57:08,173
Speaker 2: I don't know where that idea comes from, but to

1183
00:57:08,613 --> 00:57:10,812
Speaker 2: my mind, one hundred and thirty eight dollars a week

1184
00:57:10,813 --> 00:57:13,333
Speaker 2: for food, power, transport, et cetera. It's completely out of

1185
00:57:13,333 --> 00:57:16,933
Speaker 2: touch with reality. For many retirees, it's not about living luxuriously,

1186
00:57:17,053 --> 00:57:20,093
Speaker 2: it's about surviving I think this conversation is really important

1187
00:57:20,093 --> 00:57:22,893
Speaker 2: because what's on paper and what's actually happening in people's

1188
00:57:22,893 --> 00:57:25,533
Speaker 2: lives are two very different things. Thank you so much

1189
00:57:25,573 --> 00:57:27,253
Speaker 2: for your email, Claire.

1190
00:57:27,493 --> 00:57:30,933
Speaker 3: Great email. Thank you very much to everybody who text

1191
00:57:31,013 --> 00:57:34,093
Speaker 3: and called on that one. Really enjoyed that discussion. Coming

1192
00:57:34,213 --> 00:57:36,253
Speaker 3: up next this is going to be a great discussion

1193
00:57:36,293 --> 00:57:38,693
Speaker 3: as well. And I'll make sure I get this pronunciation right.

1194
00:57:38,773 --> 00:57:39,973
Speaker 3: Pronunciation right.

1195
00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:40,413
Speaker 16: So.

1196
00:57:40,653 --> 00:57:44,453
Speaker 3: Jurgen klop He is the longtime Liverpool manager, widely regarded

1197
00:57:44,493 --> 00:57:47,133
Speaker 3: as one of the greatest football managers of his generation.

1198
00:57:47,413 --> 00:57:49,973
Speaker 3: He sat down in a recent interview with a podcast

1199
00:57:50,413 --> 00:57:53,093
Speaker 3: and described his childhood. But he made mention of his

1200
00:57:53,173 --> 00:57:55,613
Speaker 3: dad and he loved his dad. His dad loved Jurgen.

1201
00:57:56,413 --> 00:57:59,653
Speaker 3: But he made mention that his dad wanted to him

1202
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:02,613
Speaker 3: to be very successful, had big expectations to the point

1203
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:05,773
Speaker 3: he would never let him when any competitions unless he

1204
00:58:05,853 --> 00:58:07,453
Speaker 3: was good enough to win on his own.

1205
00:58:08,053 --> 00:58:11,773
Speaker 2: Yes, So the question is should you let your kids win?

1206
00:58:12,813 --> 00:58:15,653
Speaker 2: You're hot on this, Yeah, No, I think I think not.

1207
00:58:16,293 --> 00:58:18,533
Speaker 2: I think that you've got to be honest with your kids.

1208
00:58:18,613 --> 00:58:21,213
Speaker 2: You've got to be honest about their abilities. You can't,

1209
00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,053
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to prepare them for the reality

1210
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:28,733
Speaker 2: of life. You've got to build resilience. You know, confidence

1211
00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:31,693
Speaker 2: comes with resilience. And so this whole idea that you

1212
00:58:31,813 --> 00:58:33,213
Speaker 2: just let them win and they feel like they're the

1213
00:58:33,293 --> 00:58:35,093
Speaker 2: most amazing thing in the world, reality is going to

1214
00:58:35,173 --> 00:58:37,253
Speaker 2: hit them pretty square in the face when they go

1215
00:58:37,333 --> 00:58:39,013
Speaker 2: out into the real world, isn't it.

1216
00:58:39,133 --> 00:58:40,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say to that?

1217
00:58:40,213 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 18: Oh?

1218
00:58:40,373 --> 00:58:42,373
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to hear

1219
00:58:42,413 --> 00:58:45,613
Speaker 3: your thoughts. Should you ever let your children win in

1220
00:58:45,733 --> 00:58:49,333
Speaker 3: games and competitions within the household? Nine two ninety two

1221
00:58:49,493 --> 00:58:52,293
Speaker 3: is the text number as well. Headlines with rayling coming up.

1222
00:58:52,493 --> 00:58:53,653
Speaker 3: We will be back very shortly.

1223
00:58:55,853 --> 00:58:58,853
Speaker 1: Jus talks'd be headlines with blue bubble taks.

1224
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:02,413
Speaker 13: It's the no trouble. It is no trouble with a

1225
00:59:02,453 --> 00:59:07,253
Speaker 13: blue bubble cruise. A major fires near Kaikoder worry strengthening

1226
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:10,773
Speaker 13: wins will make them job harder. Another three fires are

1227
00:59:10,813 --> 00:59:14,093
Speaker 13: burning in southern hawks Bay one across two hundred and

1228
00:59:14,133 --> 00:59:18,253
Speaker 13: forty five hectares. Bands now apply on outdoor fires and

1229
00:59:18,333 --> 00:59:23,013
Speaker 13: fireworks in Marlborough, Canterbury, South, Canterbury, Hawks Bay and Wellington.

1230
00:59:23,893 --> 00:59:26,973
Speaker 13: Whether warnings cover the South Island, the Lower North Island

1231
00:59:27,093 --> 00:59:32,453
Speaker 13: and Hawk's Bay. Red wind warnings will apply tomorrow for Wellington, Southern,

1232
00:59:32,533 --> 00:59:36,013
Speaker 13: Wided Upper and Canterbury. People are being advised to prepare

1233
00:59:36,333 --> 00:59:40,293
Speaker 13: and hunker down and strike. Rallies and Wellington Wided Up

1234
00:59:40,453 --> 00:59:44,493
Speaker 13: and Canterbury tomorrow are being called off and moved indoors

1235
00:59:44,573 --> 00:59:48,533
Speaker 13: in Dunedin and Vicargo and Queenstown. The country wide industrial

1236
00:59:48,573 --> 00:59:53,413
Speaker 13: action will continue elsewhere as planned. A axinologist says New

1237
00:59:53,493 --> 00:59:57,373
Speaker 13: Zealand must act fast to stop measles spreading, which could

1238
00:59:57,373 --> 01:00:00,373
Speaker 13: be flying under the radar in people with low symptoms.

1239
01:00:00,733 --> 01:00:04,613
Speaker 13: Three new cases and Manawit, Whu and Nelson were announced yesterday.

1240
01:00:04,973 --> 01:00:08,093
Speaker 13: Pons and Bees Cracked Chicken closes after eight months to

1241
01:00:08,173 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 13: re you open as Matcher specialist. You can read more

1242
01:00:11,773 --> 01:00:15,613
Speaker 13: at Insight here or Premium. Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

1243
01:00:15,173 --> 01:00:16,293
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Rayle.

1244
01:00:16,533 --> 01:00:19,533
Speaker 2: You can't go striking inside. You've got you've got to

1245
01:00:19,533 --> 01:00:20,573
Speaker 2: get out and about right.

1246
01:00:20,693 --> 01:00:22,773
Speaker 3: God, it defeats the purpose. Well, you've got to let

1247
01:00:22,773 --> 01:00:23,293
Speaker 3: people see you.

1248
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,653
Speaker 2: Well, you're protesting, you know, I mean, all these things

1249
01:00:25,693 --> 01:00:28,733
Speaker 2: nowadays are just really for the TikTok footag, aren't they right, Yeah,

1250
01:00:28,893 --> 01:00:33,573
Speaker 2: so surely just putting on a jacket and heading out

1251
01:00:33,613 --> 01:00:38,493
Speaker 2: and having your banners flapping around in the wind, it's

1252
01:00:38,653 --> 01:00:40,773
Speaker 2: part of it. Won't that be more dramatic for your cause?

1253
01:00:40,973 --> 01:00:46,093
Speaker 3: If nobody sees your protests? Have you really protest the

1254
01:00:46,133 --> 01:00:47,293
Speaker 3: philosophical question here?

1255
01:00:47,493 --> 01:00:50,013
Speaker 2: I think you can't. You can't, that's not I don't

1256
01:00:50,013 --> 01:00:52,973
Speaker 2: think that counts as a strike if you're indoors. So postpone,

1257
01:00:53,013 --> 01:00:54,493
Speaker 2: I mean, just stay at home and then post the

1258
01:00:54,493 --> 01:00:55,453
Speaker 2: pictures from your couch.

1259
01:00:55,493 --> 01:00:59,013
Speaker 3: You might as well, right, yeah, so maybe a postponement

1260
01:00:59,093 --> 01:01:00,933
Speaker 3: might be better, or just get out there.

1261
01:01:00,773 --> 01:01:05,773
Speaker 2: And place the conditions. Like, what's that fantastic weather reporter.

1262
01:01:05,813 --> 01:01:09,373
Speaker 2: I think his name's Jim Candor from the Weather net work. Yes,

1263
01:01:09,413 --> 01:01:12,733
Speaker 2: he gets in the scar and he goes wherever the

1264
01:01:12,733 --> 01:01:14,933
Speaker 2: weather is, he goes. So he gets that shot where

1265
01:01:14,973 --> 01:01:17,773
Speaker 2: he's standing into the wind, nearly nearly being knocked over.

1266
01:01:18,013 --> 01:01:19,813
Speaker 3: He's a brave dude, but it looks good on camera.

1267
01:01:20,133 --> 01:01:22,733
Speaker 3: Get out there, yeah, you know, love it? Right, let's

1268
01:01:22,773 --> 01:01:26,213
Speaker 3: get into this one. So you're Jurgen Klopp, the veteran

1269
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:28,653
Speaker 3: Liverpool manager often hailed as one of the best of

1270
01:01:28,653 --> 01:01:31,333
Speaker 3: his generation, recently opened up about his upbringing. During an

1271
01:01:31,333 --> 01:01:34,413
Speaker 3: interview on the podcast Diary of a CEO, he painted

1272
01:01:34,413 --> 01:01:38,453
Speaker 3: a picture of a childhood influence by contrasting forces, especially

1273
01:01:38,493 --> 01:01:42,653
Speaker 3: noting his very confident dad. So Klop shared with host

1274
01:01:42,653 --> 01:01:46,253
Speaker 3: Steve Bartlett that his father had very high expectations of him.

1275
01:01:46,533 --> 01:01:50,653
Speaker 23: My dad had expectations. So he wanted me to be

1276
01:01:50,693 --> 01:01:55,053
Speaker 23: a sports guy. Each sport tennis, skiing, football, That was

1277
01:01:55,093 --> 01:01:58,093
Speaker 23: he slafe. So he wanted that his son is good

1278
01:01:58,093 --> 01:02:01,693
Speaker 23: at that and her loft doing it. But then pretty

1279
01:02:01,773 --> 01:02:04,853
Speaker 23: quick when I became better, it was never good enough

1280
01:02:05,333 --> 01:02:08,813
Speaker 23: with his son. He wanted him to be vicious and

1281
01:02:09,013 --> 01:02:10,973
Speaker 23: was a bit of free that I might be not

1282
01:02:11,093 --> 01:02:12,173
Speaker 23: ambitious enough.

1283
01:02:12,613 --> 01:02:15,173
Speaker 3: So competitive man not here, Yeah yeah yeah.

1284
01:02:16,053 --> 01:02:19,453
Speaker 12: Reading about stories of him racing you on ski slopes

1285
01:02:19,493 --> 01:02:23,613
Speaker 12: and the sprint, racism, never letting you win, it's true.

1286
01:02:24,053 --> 01:02:26,173
Speaker 2: Who knows if it's right. Probably its right.

1287
01:02:26,453 --> 01:02:27,933
Speaker 23: I don't know if it was not nice in a

1288
01:02:27,973 --> 01:02:30,053
Speaker 23: way when you tell the story, it's like my god, gum,

1289
01:02:30,133 --> 01:02:31,933
Speaker 23: I lad the poor boy when or whatever we had

1290
01:02:31,933 --> 01:02:32,493
Speaker 23: no chance.

1291
01:02:33,093 --> 01:02:34,613
Speaker 3: So that's what we want to have a chat about.

1292
01:02:35,093 --> 01:02:37,933
Speaker 3: Jurgen Klops dad never let him win on the ski

1293
01:02:37,973 --> 01:02:40,933
Speaker 3: slopes or anything. Else and arguably, I mean Jurgen himself

1294
01:02:40,973 --> 01:02:43,213
Speaker 3: said maybe it wasn't right, maybe it was. He's been

1295
01:02:43,293 --> 01:02:44,493
Speaker 3: very successful in his life.

1296
01:02:44,693 --> 01:02:46,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think? I mean, just from my

1297
01:02:46,973 --> 01:02:49,533
Speaker 2: personal experience. Actually, I'll share it, and I want to

1298
01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:53,293
Speaker 2: share the the because it's not just sport, it's other

1299
01:02:53,333 --> 01:02:56,053
Speaker 2: things and it's winning rewards, right, and so I want

1300
01:02:56,093 --> 01:02:58,813
Speaker 2: to talk about how good a picture needs to be

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01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:03,013
Speaker 2: drawn by a kid to deserve a spot on the fridge. Okay, right,

1302
01:03:03,053 --> 01:03:09,413
Speaker 2: because I think across everything creative and you know, physical activities,

1303
01:03:09,693 --> 01:03:11,893
Speaker 2: I think you just can't hand them wins. But we'll

1304
01:03:11,933 --> 01:03:13,133
Speaker 2: talk about in that a bit because I want to

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01:03:13,133 --> 01:03:16,093
Speaker 2: get to Jeremy right now, welcome to the show. What

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01:03:16,133 --> 01:03:17,693
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on letting kids.

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01:03:17,493 --> 01:03:20,293
Speaker 18: Win one hundred percent with you?

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01:03:20,453 --> 01:03:22,333
Speaker 9: And that's this on that you're going to knock them

1309
01:03:22,373 --> 01:03:23,573
Speaker 9: down a people too?

1310
01:03:24,613 --> 01:03:27,893
Speaker 18: Just create I only just creates a massive learning opportunities

1311
01:03:27,893 --> 01:03:30,973
Speaker 18: in terms of the way you deal with not necessarily failure,

1312
01:03:31,013 --> 01:03:34,053
Speaker 18: but the way you deal with not winning. I remember

1313
01:03:34,133 --> 01:03:36,973
Speaker 18: specifically when I was a kids and I bet mom

1314
01:03:37,053 --> 01:03:37,893
Speaker 18: and dad at.

1315
01:03:37,813 --> 01:03:39,453
Speaker 9: Tennis for the very first.

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01:03:39,213 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 18: Time, and I genuinely I still remember that.

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01:03:41,573 --> 01:03:44,893
Speaker 20: Day and I smiled throughout a week because mom and

1318
01:03:44,933 --> 01:03:46,053
Speaker 20: dad even let me win.

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01:03:47,413 --> 01:03:50,253
Speaker 9: And I specifically remember that time and it was sort

1320
01:03:50,293 --> 01:03:52,493
Speaker 9: of a we're quit of competitive family that it created

1321
01:03:52,533 --> 01:03:55,893
Speaker 9: that competitive atmosphere. But I now look at it from

1322
01:03:55,893 --> 01:03:58,933
Speaker 9: my kids' perspective and go like, it creates massive opportunities.

1323
01:03:58,973 --> 01:04:01,413
Speaker 9: You know, one of my kids loses it, guess who

1324
01:04:01,813 --> 01:04:03,853
Speaker 9: you know, the tantry comes out forward, gets flipped and

1325
01:04:04,213 --> 01:04:06,493
Speaker 9: they walk off. But it creates an ability to be

1326
01:04:06,533 --> 01:04:09,333
Speaker 9: able to give them me teaching moments to go, well,

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01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:11,173
Speaker 9: you're not you know, life's not like that. You're never

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01:04:11,493 --> 01:04:13,493
Speaker 9: necessarily going to win all the time. And if they

1329
01:04:13,533 --> 01:04:16,213
Speaker 9: haven't been taught that, and if they've got no coping

1330
01:04:16,253 --> 01:04:19,333
Speaker 9: stratesities to be able to deal with those bosses, I

1331
01:04:19,333 --> 01:04:21,573
Speaker 9: think that's where we're struggling. And while we're sort of

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01:04:21,773 --> 01:04:24,573
Speaker 9: probably creating a life where it keeps are struggling with

1333
01:04:24,613 --> 01:04:26,573
Speaker 9: anxiety and that kind of stuff because we're wrapping way

1334
01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:29,893
Speaker 9: too much cottom war around them, and that they've got

1335
01:04:29,933 --> 01:04:32,293
Speaker 9: to know these heart lessons that I think that all

1336
01:04:32,293 --> 01:04:34,973
Speaker 9: starts from the family and what you sort of teach them.

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01:04:35,533 --> 01:04:37,893
Speaker 2: How far do you go on that? Jeremy, though, say

1338
01:04:37,893 --> 01:04:41,493
Speaker 2: from a cricketing perspective. When they're seven, are you coming

1339
01:04:41,533 --> 01:04:44,573
Speaker 2: off the back fence and giving them the chin music?

1340
01:04:47,813 --> 01:04:49,613
Speaker 9: It depends on how bad they've been.

1341
01:04:49,693 --> 01:04:53,133
Speaker 18: But no, generally thinking generally thinking.

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01:04:52,853 --> 01:04:54,613
Speaker 9: No, not at all. I mean you want to encourage them.

1343
01:04:54,693 --> 01:04:56,173
Speaker 9: You want to you want to be able to give

1344
01:04:56,173 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 9: them an environment where they can experiment and where they

1345
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 9: can go out and do the things that they want

1346
01:05:01,533 --> 01:05:03,813
Speaker 9: to do and be encouraged to play those kind of sports.

1347
01:05:03,853 --> 01:05:05,333
Speaker 9: Like you don't want to give them such a hiding

1348
01:05:05,373 --> 01:05:09,093
Speaker 9: that they lose all of that sort of encouragement and

1349
01:05:09,093 --> 01:05:11,653
Speaker 9: they just never want to play it again. But at

1350
01:05:11,653 --> 01:05:15,813
Speaker 9: the same time, yeah, like I say, just wrapping them

1351
01:05:15,893 --> 01:05:18,813
Speaker 9: up and cotton wall and pretending I'm like that life's

1352
01:05:18,853 --> 01:05:21,333
Speaker 9: all about winning. It's not helping them in the future.

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01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:22,093
Speaker 21: I don't think as.

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01:05:22,013 --> 01:05:24,213
Speaker 3: Part of that Jeremy that say it's a running race

1355
01:05:24,413 --> 01:05:26,893
Speaker 3: and you know you're gonna you're gonna smash your child

1356
01:05:26,893 --> 01:05:28,493
Speaker 3: in this running race. But do you give them a

1357
01:05:28,533 --> 01:05:31,253
Speaker 3: handicap and say I'll give you five seconds head start

1358
01:05:31,493 --> 01:05:33,773
Speaker 3: but after that it's all on. Is that a good

1359
01:05:33,773 --> 01:05:37,533
Speaker 3: way to say you've got a chance here? But realistically,

1360
01:05:37,653 --> 01:05:38,773
Speaker 3: I'm easily going to beat you.

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01:05:38,853 --> 01:05:42,733
Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred. That's what I do with my two boys,

1362
01:05:42,413 --> 01:05:45,453
Speaker 9: one seven and one's four. And I'll say, right, a

1363
01:05:45,573 --> 01:05:47,293
Speaker 9: four year old ago, you get one hundred men a

1364
01:05:47,373 --> 01:05:49,813
Speaker 9: head start, and then I'll hold a seven year old back.

1365
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Speaker 9: He's really.

1366
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Speaker 18: And I don't know.

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01:05:54,973 --> 01:05:57,533
Speaker 9: I just look at all those those opportunities and it's

1368
01:05:57,573 --> 01:05:59,853
Speaker 9: fun and it's exciting, and it gives them a sense

1369
01:05:59,853 --> 01:06:04,333
Speaker 9: of achievement when they do start winning those little battles

1370
01:06:04,333 --> 01:06:04,933
Speaker 9: by themselves.

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01:06:05,933 --> 01:06:08,173
Speaker 2: I you know, I know you're the same thing with

1372
01:06:08,213 --> 01:06:11,453
Speaker 2: you finally beating your parents at tennis. So I've played

1373
01:06:11,573 --> 01:06:14,013
Speaker 2: my kids at chess for a very long time and

1374
01:06:14,173 --> 01:06:17,573
Speaker 2: always just absolutely smoked them at chess. And they were like,

1375
01:06:17,773 --> 01:06:21,493
Speaker 2: you're some kind of magician, dad. And then a couple

1376
01:06:21,533 --> 01:06:25,133
Speaker 2: of years ago just said, for me, my fourteen year son,

1377
01:06:25,333 --> 01:06:27,293
Speaker 2: fourteen year old son beat me at chess for the

1378
01:06:27,333 --> 01:06:30,493
Speaker 2: first time, and I've never seen celebrations like it before.

1379
01:06:31,013 --> 01:06:33,293
Speaker 2: He was jumping. It's like you having that smile on

1380
01:06:33,333 --> 01:06:35,773
Speaker 2: your face for the week. It was worth all those

1381
01:06:35,853 --> 01:06:39,093
Speaker 2: losses for him just for the me. How meaningful it

1382
01:06:39,293 --> 01:06:42,133
Speaker 2: was for him to beat me, how downtrod and I was,

1383
01:06:42,213 --> 01:06:45,893
Speaker 2: he'd slayed the dragon I was destroyed. He was jumping

1384
01:06:45,933 --> 01:06:48,213
Speaker 2: on the couch, he was running around. It was like

1385
01:06:48,293 --> 01:06:50,733
Speaker 2: he'd won the World Cup. It was phenomenal and it

1386
01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:53,093
Speaker 2: was and for me it was a great moment as well,

1387
01:06:53,133 --> 01:06:55,013
Speaker 2: because he'd finally slayed me.

1388
01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:59,173
Speaker 9: Yeah. Those life are all about those memories, right, and

1389
01:06:59,253 --> 01:07:01,253
Speaker 9: like that will be a memory that will never leave

1390
01:07:01,573 --> 01:07:04,613
Speaker 9: his mind. You know, he'll be eighty telling his best

1391
01:07:04,613 --> 01:07:08,333
Speaker 9: story to his grandkids. I guarantee it, yes, And I think, yeah,

1392
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:10,053
Speaker 9: I think by leaving them when all the time, you're

1393
01:07:10,053 --> 01:07:12,453
Speaker 9: just setting them up for failure. Life is real tough

1394
01:07:12,773 --> 01:07:14,813
Speaker 9: gut as soon as they go out and find you

1395
01:07:14,853 --> 01:07:17,093
Speaker 9: a job and they get turned down from their first job,

1396
01:07:17,133 --> 01:07:20,933
Speaker 9: and if they can't deal with that failure, then it

1397
01:07:21,013 --> 01:07:22,293
Speaker 9: makes life a whole lot harder.

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01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. Great, cool.

1399
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,133
Speaker 2: I haven't played chess against him again.

1400
01:07:25,213 --> 01:07:28,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just picturing that Rocky montage where he's building

1401
01:07:28,093 --> 01:07:30,533
Speaker 3: up and come on, Rockie, you can do it, and

1402
01:07:30,573 --> 01:07:33,493
Speaker 3: then that moment where he finally beats your mate. There's beautiful.

1403
01:07:33,573 --> 01:07:35,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, thank you so much for you call Jeremy.

1404
01:07:35,253 --> 01:07:38,893
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That's a definite. No, I'm too competitive.

1405
01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 2: Let them win if they do it's on their own merits.

1406
01:07:41,493 --> 01:07:42,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

1407
01:07:42,213 --> 01:07:46,773
Speaker 2: Oh's a slightly different thing. That's a different issue. You're

1408
01:07:46,813 --> 01:07:52,613
Speaker 2: not really being competitive with your kids. You are being

1409
01:07:52,653 --> 01:08:00,373
Speaker 2: a worthy adversary that it's worth becoming competent enough to surpass. Right,

1410
01:08:00,573 --> 01:08:03,213
Speaker 2: that's what you're trying to do, because that's the great

1411
01:08:03,253 --> 01:08:05,293
Speaker 2: thing about being a parent is when they do finally

1412
01:08:05,293 --> 01:08:09,373
Speaker 2: beat you, you're chuffed. Unlike when mate finally beats you

1413
01:08:09,413 --> 01:08:12,733
Speaker 2: at something, they're not chuffed. When your kid moment, you're like,

1414
01:08:13,253 --> 01:08:15,453
Speaker 2: oh my god, that my kid finally beat me.

1415
01:08:16,173 --> 01:08:19,213
Speaker 3: But there must have been some occasions, Matt, where say

1416
01:08:19,213 --> 01:08:21,813
Speaker 3: cricket and it was an easy catch that whacked it.

1417
01:08:22,293 --> 01:08:24,053
Speaker 3: You could see you got you were going to take it,

1418
01:08:24,412 --> 01:08:26,692
Speaker 3: and then you thought, just in that split moment, I'm

1419
01:08:26,692 --> 01:08:28,772
Speaker 3: going to let you have this, and you went for

1420
01:08:28,812 --> 01:08:31,013
Speaker 3: the went for the catch and then just gave a

1421
01:08:31,053 --> 01:08:33,213
Speaker 3: wee stumble to make it look like you're about to

1422
01:08:33,253 --> 01:08:35,372
Speaker 3: catch them. Surely or not, you just would have gone

1423
01:08:35,372 --> 01:08:35,972
Speaker 3: straight in there.

1424
01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:40,372
Speaker 2: No, I'm dropping that catch on my own volition. To

1425
01:08:42,933 --> 01:08:44,973
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Should you let your

1426
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:49,093
Speaker 2: kids win? Or is going hard in the competition a

1427
01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:51,732
Speaker 2: great way to build resilience one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1428
01:08:52,732 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1429
01:08:55,173 --> 01:08:59,532
Speaker 1: along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

1430
01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:02,132
Speaker 3: Be quarter to three. Should you ever let your kids

1431
01:09:02,213 --> 01:09:05,532
Speaker 3: win in competition? This is on the back of Jugen Klop,

1432
01:09:05,772 --> 01:09:08,732
Speaker 3: very very successful football manager. His dad we ever let

1433
01:09:08,812 --> 01:09:10,812
Speaker 3: him win and he says maybe that made him the

1434
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:11,492
Speaker 3: man he is today.

1435
01:09:11,572 --> 01:09:13,572
Speaker 2: The sexer says, Hi, guys, there is a balance. Letting

1436
01:09:13,612 --> 01:09:17,173
Speaker 2: kids win everything easily without if it should be used sparingly,

1437
01:09:17,452 --> 01:09:20,253
Speaker 2: but showing them you must win everything can turn them

1438
01:09:20,293 --> 01:09:24,932
Speaker 2: into arrogant individuals. Win is yes, nice people know, cheers Phil, Yeah,

1439
01:09:25,173 --> 01:09:29,452
Speaker 2: I mean letting them win. So just letting them win,

1440
01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:32,532
Speaker 2: Letting kids win everything easily without if it should be

1441
01:09:32,612 --> 01:09:35,972
Speaker 2: used sparingly, but showing them you must win everything can

1442
01:09:36,013 --> 01:09:39,173
Speaker 2: turn them. I get what you're saying. I mean you

1443
01:09:39,532 --> 01:09:42,372
Speaker 2: have to show them what a good winner is like. Yeah,

1444
01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:44,692
Speaker 2: you know. I mean that's a huge part and it's

1445
01:09:44,732 --> 01:09:47,052
Speaker 2: not just about sport. It's about a lot of different things.

1446
01:09:47,612 --> 01:09:49,013
Speaker 2: But you need to be a good winner and a

1447
01:09:49,013 --> 01:09:51,333
Speaker 2: good loser in life. I think that's really important that

1448
01:09:52,053 --> 01:09:55,173
Speaker 2: in employment yep, everything.

1449
01:09:54,973 --> 01:09:57,652
Speaker 3: And striving for success right that it doesn't come free.

1450
01:09:58,213 --> 01:10:02,253
Speaker 2: Maggie, your thoughts on this, well, you hit.

1451
01:10:02,173 --> 01:10:05,532
Speaker 24: A light bulb moment when I heard this topic too.

1452
01:10:05,612 --> 01:10:10,012
Speaker 24: Start off, I've always lost ludo. I mean, they always

1453
01:10:10,093 --> 01:10:13,253
Speaker 24: knocked me off the board, and I used to rant

1454
01:10:13,412 --> 01:10:15,892
Speaker 24: and rage and tip the board up and do all

1455
01:10:15,933 --> 01:10:19,452
Speaker 24: sorts of wonderful nets childish and mature things. But they

1456
01:10:19,492 --> 01:10:22,093
Speaker 24: never told me they were doing it for my own goods.

1457
01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:23,253
Speaker 6: What a shame.

1458
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:25,532
Speaker 24: I might have learned a few more lessons in life,

1459
01:10:25,772 --> 01:10:29,133
Speaker 24: but I always remember, just when you said what the

1460
01:10:29,173 --> 01:10:31,892
Speaker 24: topic was, I just couldn't help but ring and say.

1461
01:10:32,173 --> 01:10:35,213
Speaker 24: I started at ludo and I was the loser, but

1462
01:10:35,452 --> 01:10:36,452
Speaker 24: a total loser.

1463
01:10:37,013 --> 01:10:37,253
Speaker 2: Mega.

1464
01:10:37,333 --> 01:10:38,293
Speaker 3: Did you did you?

1465
01:10:38,933 --> 01:10:40,852
Speaker 2: Did you eventually start? Warning?

1466
01:10:41,973 --> 01:10:46,172
Speaker 24: No, because we never They barred me from any games

1467
01:10:46,213 --> 01:10:49,813
Speaker 24: of ludo anymore, so I can never go back. Unfortunately

1468
01:10:49,973 --> 01:10:52,692
Speaker 24: I have a brother still, maybe I could try one

1469
01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:56,333
Speaker 24: more game of ludo with them, but no, and scrabble

1470
01:10:56,372 --> 01:10:58,692
Speaker 24: as well. It was always not a word or something.

1471
01:10:58,853 --> 01:11:01,452
Speaker 24: So yeah, so they were really trying to teach me.

1472
01:11:02,093 --> 01:11:05,812
Speaker 2: But never mind, you didn't know that until right now.

1473
01:11:05,853 --> 01:11:08,732
Speaker 2: That actually what the light bulb moment.

1474
01:11:08,812 --> 01:11:10,412
Speaker 24: Oh, gosh, I know now why I.

1475
01:11:10,412 --> 01:11:11,253
Speaker 22: Love all the time.

1476
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:14,452
Speaker 2: They were trying to make you a more resilient person.

1477
01:11:15,053 --> 01:11:16,133
Speaker 24: Oh something like that.

1478
01:11:16,173 --> 01:11:18,013
Speaker 2: But it sounds out like it sounds out like it

1479
01:11:18,053 --> 01:11:19,973
Speaker 2: sounds like you turned out pretty well, so there was

1480
01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:20,772
Speaker 2: some success in that.

1481
01:11:21,013 --> 01:11:26,133
Speaker 25: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, thank you very much. Please you there,

1482
01:11:26,772 --> 01:11:28,772
Speaker 25: Thank you so much for your call. Lads, lands lads.

1483
01:11:28,772 --> 01:11:32,333
Speaker 25: When it comes to playing with children, no mercy, practice

1484
01:11:32,333 --> 01:11:40,372
Speaker 25: your speed, your swing. When playing crickets, let the wager

1485
01:11:40,452 --> 01:11:43,213
Speaker 25: their future. Let them wager their future pocket money for

1486
01:11:43,253 --> 01:11:47,053
Speaker 25: getting out of jail and monopoly play nothing that will

1487
01:11:47,053 --> 01:11:48,253
Speaker 25: get them better, No mercy.

1488
01:11:48,893 --> 01:11:49,253
Speaker 2: There you go.

1489
01:11:49,492 --> 01:11:51,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good text. Keep them coming through.

1490
01:11:51,532 --> 01:11:53,492
Speaker 2: And that person says, my son's in our social worker.

1491
01:11:54,013 --> 01:11:56,013
Speaker 3: Okay, well they kind of worked out. Nine to nine

1492
01:11:56,133 --> 01:11:58,572
Speaker 3: two is the text number. But taking your calls on

1493
01:11:58,772 --> 01:12:01,652
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty should you ever let

1494
01:12:01,973 --> 01:12:04,852
Speaker 3: your children win at games? Love to hear your thoughts

1495
01:12:04,853 --> 01:12:07,692
Speaker 3: it There is twelve to three back in the month, the.

1496
01:12:07,732 --> 01:12:10,293
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1497
01:12:10,333 --> 01:12:14,293
Speaker 1: the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1498
01:12:14,053 --> 01:12:18,213
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks EDB. It is ten to three, should

1499
01:12:18,253 --> 01:12:21,253
Speaker 3: you ever let your children win in competitions. This is

1500
01:12:21,253 --> 01:12:23,772
Speaker 3: a good text here, Guys, when your kids are under five,

1501
01:12:23,853 --> 01:12:26,652
Speaker 3: you can't repeatedly kick their butt at armor wrestling, et cetera.

1502
01:12:26,812 --> 01:12:31,133
Speaker 3: It creates a demoralized rather kid not wanting to try

1503
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:32,732
Speaker 3: again once they're a bit older. They need to be

1504
01:12:32,812 --> 01:12:33,612
Speaker 3: making a real effort.

1505
01:12:33,612 --> 01:12:33,732
Speaker 19: Though.

1506
01:12:33,732 --> 01:12:35,652
Speaker 3: I never let my boy beat me at armor wrestling

1507
01:12:35,692 --> 01:12:38,213
Speaker 3: for the last eight years. He's now fifteen, beat me

1508
01:12:38,293 --> 01:12:40,772
Speaker 3: fair and squeer last week, a huge moment for both

1509
01:12:40,772 --> 01:12:42,372
Speaker 3: of us. I'm off to the gym now for some

1510
01:12:42,412 --> 01:12:43,052
Speaker 3: secret training.

1511
01:12:43,133 --> 01:12:45,452
Speaker 2: Dino, I'm not sure about that. I thought I would

1512
01:12:45,452 --> 01:12:47,452
Speaker 2: never let my kids beat me at arm wrestling until

1513
01:12:47,452 --> 01:12:49,732
Speaker 2: they could beat You don't want like a three year

1514
01:12:49,772 --> 01:12:53,612
Speaker 2: old to think that they're stronger than dad. That's a

1515
01:12:53,652 --> 01:12:56,812
Speaker 2: complete misunderstanding of the reality of the world. You need

1516
01:12:56,853 --> 01:12:59,492
Speaker 2: to know that an adult is bigger and stronger than you.

1517
01:12:59,612 --> 01:13:00,612
Speaker 3: It's a very good point.

1518
01:13:00,692 --> 01:13:04,253
Speaker 2: I would never. I mean, what you do is you

1519
01:13:04,253 --> 01:13:05,293
Speaker 2: you let them get close.

1520
01:13:05,412 --> 01:13:06,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go bit.

1521
01:13:06,612 --> 01:13:07,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you get right down and they think

1522
01:13:07,893 --> 01:13:10,052
Speaker 2: they're close, you go just joking, and then you slam

1523
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:10,812
Speaker 2: them right over.

1524
01:13:11,213 --> 01:13:13,772
Speaker 3: That'll teach them. Yeah, One hundred and eighty ten eighties

1525
01:13:13,772 --> 01:13:14,372
Speaker 3: and number.

1526
01:13:14,133 --> 01:13:17,172
Speaker 2: To call Doreen. You sometimes let your kids win at cards?

1527
01:13:18,173 --> 01:13:22,053
Speaker 26: Yeah, that's a grandmother. I always let them when to

1528
01:13:22,173 --> 01:13:27,133
Speaker 26: keep them matresses, like, I let them have a turn

1529
01:13:27,213 --> 01:13:31,452
Speaker 26: up winning because we can see that they're getting disappointed

1530
01:13:31,452 --> 01:13:34,492
Speaker 26: if they're not winning, especially when they're little. What kind

1531
01:13:34,492 --> 01:13:35,572
Speaker 26: of cards?

1532
01:13:35,572 --> 01:13:37,812
Speaker 2: What cards? Games are you talking about? Here?

1533
01:13:38,772 --> 01:13:41,652
Speaker 26: We play a thing called speed?

1534
01:13:41,772 --> 01:13:43,772
Speaker 2: Were you great? I play my kids at the cards?

1535
01:13:43,973 --> 01:13:44,133
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1536
01:13:44,173 --> 01:13:45,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, I play my kids at speed all the time,

1537
01:13:46,093 --> 01:13:48,852
Speaker 2: and and that that is the most competitive thing in

1538
01:13:48,893 --> 01:13:49,452
Speaker 2: our household.

1539
01:13:49,612 --> 01:13:50,253
Speaker 3: What is speed?

1540
01:13:50,612 --> 01:13:50,932
Speaker 1: It is?

1541
01:13:51,973 --> 01:13:52,973
Speaker 2: How would you describe it?

1542
01:13:53,053 --> 01:13:56,213
Speaker 26: You lay all the cards out playing, yeah, playing snack,

1543
01:13:56,293 --> 01:13:57,892
Speaker 26: but you've got to take them out their hand and

1544
01:13:57,893 --> 01:14:00,133
Speaker 26: put them down on the table and get rid of

1545
01:14:00,213 --> 01:14:00,732
Speaker 26: your cards.

1546
01:14:00,933 --> 01:14:02,612
Speaker 3: Right, sounds amazing.

1547
01:14:02,692 --> 01:14:03,892
Speaker 7: Look at us. It's really good.

1548
01:14:04,173 --> 01:14:05,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great game.

1549
01:14:06,732 --> 01:14:06,932
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1550
01:14:06,973 --> 01:14:10,293
Speaker 26: I've played them all from about three or four or

1551
01:14:10,372 --> 01:14:14,252
Speaker 26: eight grandkers and the last one at home now fourteen

1552
01:14:14,492 --> 01:14:17,572
Speaker 26: and fifteen, and I can't beat them. They beat me

1553
01:14:17,612 --> 01:14:18,173
Speaker 26: all the time.

1554
01:14:18,812 --> 01:14:20,492
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? As a nana? That

1555
01:14:20,532 --> 01:14:21,692
Speaker 3: would have been a good day doing.

1556
01:14:23,372 --> 01:14:26,452
Speaker 26: Yes, it's wonderful. Yeah, but you can see how you

1557
01:14:26,492 --> 01:14:28,772
Speaker 26: know it can be disappointing if you don't.

1558
01:14:28,532 --> 01:14:33,133
Speaker 2: Want Yeah, I guess, I guess. The point is disappointment

1559
01:14:33,213 --> 01:14:35,932
Speaker 2: is part of life, though, isn't it. So kids need

1560
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:40,452
Speaker 2: to learn learn how to deal with disappointment, and they

1561
01:14:40,492 --> 01:14:41,213
Speaker 2: have no how.

1562
01:14:41,133 --> 01:14:43,012
Speaker 26: To need to know how to deal with a nana

1563
01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:46,572
Speaker 26: that just wants to play cards, or having had dinner,

1564
01:14:46,973 --> 01:14:49,812
Speaker 26: and I just make out I'm shuffling the cards and

1565
01:14:50,133 --> 01:14:52,933
Speaker 26: dealing them to them, and they all light up. And

1566
01:14:53,013 --> 01:14:56,452
Speaker 26: if we go and play cards, yes, lovely, well, good.

1567
01:14:56,253 --> 01:15:00,173
Speaker 2: On your dooring. So Speed is a fast paced two

1568
01:15:00,213 --> 01:15:02,572
Speaker 2: player card game where the objective is to be the

1569
01:15:02,572 --> 01:15:04,933
Speaker 2: first to get rid of all twenty cards. Players simultaneously

1570
01:15:04,973 --> 01:15:07,812
Speaker 2: play cards on center piles by matching a sequence so

1571
01:15:07,853 --> 01:15:10,933
Speaker 2: you can sequench or rank up or down of the

1572
01:15:11,013 --> 01:15:13,973
Speaker 2: card on top, with no turns allowed. To set up,

1573
01:15:14,053 --> 01:15:16,972
Speaker 2: deal twenty cards to each player and place four piles

1574
01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:19,333
Speaker 2: in the center, two out of piles of five cards

1575
01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:22,652
Speaker 2: and two inner piles of one card each. It's so fast.

1576
01:15:22,893 --> 01:15:24,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like a great game, and it's a.

1577
01:15:24,572 --> 01:15:26,412
Speaker 2: Great game to play with your kids because it's it's

1578
01:15:26,452 --> 01:15:28,973
Speaker 2: it's not only how quickly you think, because you have

1579
01:15:29,013 --> 01:15:31,572
Speaker 2: to think quickly and match things quickly. But you have

1580
01:15:31,612 --> 01:15:34,172
Speaker 2: to move your hands really quickly. Yeah, it's really fast.

1581
01:15:34,173 --> 01:15:36,892
Speaker 2: It's a great, great game. I used to play that

1582
01:15:37,173 --> 01:15:39,412
Speaker 2: with my kids straight after school when they got home,

1583
01:15:39,652 --> 01:15:42,093
Speaker 2: and we just have tournaments between us and yeah, it

1584
01:15:42,133 --> 01:15:43,053
Speaker 2: got really competitive.

1585
01:15:43,213 --> 01:15:49,452
Speaker 3: Love it. Mark, How are you you very good? Do

1586
01:15:49,452 --> 01:15:50,572
Speaker 3: you let your kids good?

1587
01:15:51,853 --> 01:15:52,013
Speaker 16: Hell?

1588
01:15:52,133 --> 01:15:53,612
Speaker 5: No kicks.

1589
01:15:55,612 --> 01:15:56,932
Speaker 8: He wants to kick it, and he likes to kick

1590
01:15:56,973 --> 01:15:58,892
Speaker 8: it real high. So I'll kick it real high and fine,

1591
01:15:58,973 --> 01:16:02,213
Speaker 8: and after about fifteen attention, you know, he's pretty puffed

1592
01:16:02,213 --> 01:16:03,692
Speaker 8: out and tired, and that means I can go back

1593
01:16:03,732 --> 01:16:10,612
Speaker 8: to doing what I was doing. I've got a niece

1594
01:16:10,652 --> 01:16:12,532
Speaker 8: and when she was young, she was at school, she

1595
01:16:12,612 --> 01:16:15,173
Speaker 8: was very good at athletics, lungs and running all that

1596
01:16:15,253 --> 01:16:18,652
Speaker 8: sort of stuff. In the end at the school when

1597
01:16:18,692 --> 01:16:21,053
Speaker 8: it comes to sports days and stuff like that, she

1598
01:16:21,173 --> 01:16:23,452
Speaker 8: was cleaning up in the races. So they ended up

1599
01:16:23,492 --> 01:16:25,652
Speaker 8: telling her to slow down and let other people win.

1600
01:16:26,173 --> 01:16:27,052
Speaker 8: That really demorrol.

1601
01:16:27,652 --> 01:16:28,293
Speaker 2: That's terrible.

1602
01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:30,572
Speaker 8: To the point where she almost, yeah, where she almost

1603
01:16:30,572 --> 01:16:33,173
Speaker 8: gave up. You know, athletics. Now got along.

1604
01:16:33,213 --> 01:16:33,732
Speaker 9: Story short.

1605
01:16:33,812 --> 01:16:34,293
Speaker 11: She went to.

1606
01:16:34,253 --> 01:16:36,452
Speaker 8: Australia for brothership, did over there, over there for a

1607
01:16:36,492 --> 01:16:39,093
Speaker 8: wee bit and she went to school there and she

1608
01:16:39,133 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 8: could not get over how competitive things were over there.

1609
01:16:42,452 --> 01:16:45,652
Speaker 8: There wasn't any You let this kid win because you've

1610
01:16:45,692 --> 01:16:49,092
Speaker 8: won two races. It's only fair. She ended up getting

1611
01:16:49,133 --> 01:16:52,532
Speaker 8: back into her track and field and to the point

1612
01:16:52,532 --> 01:16:56,652
Speaker 8: where she could have represented Australia and then, like a

1613
01:16:56,652 --> 01:16:58,812
Speaker 8: lot of people else, no one of the Australians are

1614
01:16:58,853 --> 01:17:01,652
Speaker 8: so good. Yeah, the worst winners in their cockie, but

1615
01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:05,492
Speaker 8: they're not out to good participation awards. And that's what

1616
01:17:05,532 --> 01:17:07,412
Speaker 8: we see a lot today. And to be honest, we

1617
01:17:07,452 --> 01:17:10,452
Speaker 8: feel like we can take your kids, you know, to

1618
01:17:10,532 --> 01:17:12,213
Speaker 8: win and be good winners and that sort of thing.

1619
01:17:12,293 --> 01:17:14,812
Speaker 8: But I think the school system has also got a

1620
01:17:14,853 --> 01:17:17,333
Speaker 8: lot to say for it South too, for saying it's

1621
01:17:17,372 --> 01:17:20,452
Speaker 8: okay to fail. It's okay to fail, but not all

1622
01:17:20,492 --> 01:17:20,852
Speaker 8: the time.

1623
01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:21,612
Speaker 19: Well you know what I mean.

1624
01:17:21,933 --> 01:17:23,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you need to know that you failed. That's

1625
01:17:24,013 --> 01:17:26,972
Speaker 2: the thing. You need to know that this false idea.

1626
01:17:27,173 --> 01:17:29,133
Speaker 2: I had this situation where my one of my sons

1627
01:17:29,213 --> 01:17:32,092
Speaker 2: was very good batsman and the other one was rubbish,

1628
01:17:32,612 --> 01:17:35,692
Speaker 2: and the other parents and coaches kept on telling my

1629
01:17:35,772 --> 01:17:37,892
Speaker 2: younger son that he was amazing at betting, and we

1630
01:17:37,893 --> 01:17:39,652
Speaker 2: were driving home in the car and the younger son,

1631
01:17:39,692 --> 01:17:43,572
Speaker 2: who's terrible, was giving my oldest son advice, saying, you

1632
01:17:43,612 --> 01:17:46,372
Speaker 2: should do what I do because you know I'm great.

1633
01:17:46,732 --> 01:17:48,692
Speaker 2: Right to turn around and go No, people are telling

1634
01:17:48,692 --> 01:17:49,852
Speaker 2: you you're great, you're rubbish, mate.

1635
01:17:49,893 --> 01:17:50,692
Speaker 3: Yeah you're deluded.

1636
01:17:50,812 --> 01:17:52,973
Speaker 2: Yeah you're great at some things, but you need to

1637
01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:54,972
Speaker 2: know that you're not as good as your brother because

1638
01:17:54,973 --> 01:17:57,053
Speaker 2: he spends more time playing cricket and he's spent more

1639
01:17:57,053 --> 01:17:57,812
Speaker 2: time practicing.

1640
01:17:57,933 --> 01:17:58,692
Speaker 3: Yeah you know.

1641
01:17:59,293 --> 01:18:01,892
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's kind of like while I was coaching

1642
01:18:01,893 --> 01:18:03,213
Speaker 8: my young fellers, like he's a very.

1643
01:18:03,093 --> 01:18:05,732
Speaker 12: Goodly rugby player, and like when they.

1644
01:18:05,572 --> 01:18:07,692
Speaker 8: Got to the age when it was like, you know,

1645
01:18:07,772 --> 01:18:10,213
Speaker 8: most value player, player of the day. Yeah, when they

1646
01:18:10,293 --> 01:18:12,612
Speaker 8: got to say it was getting to the stage thirteen

1647
01:18:12,732 --> 01:18:15,772
Speaker 8: fourteen year olds were wanting the McDonald's to forget Well,

1648
01:18:15,772 --> 01:18:17,933
Speaker 8: who's player of the day is like everyone's player of

1649
01:18:17,933 --> 01:18:19,973
Speaker 8: the day, mate, I'm not just giving it out. And

1650
01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:23,612
Speaker 8: I stopped doing it. Yeah, you know, because even the

1651
01:18:23,732 --> 01:18:25,933
Speaker 8: parents are putting the hardware I should give so and

1652
01:18:25,973 --> 01:18:28,572
Speaker 8: so Ago was like, well hang on, they went out

1653
01:18:28,612 --> 01:18:31,093
Speaker 8: and missed fifty tackles and just walked everywhere and just

1654
01:18:31,253 --> 01:18:32,532
Speaker 8: participate exactly.

1655
01:18:32,612 --> 01:18:34,852
Speaker 2: Yes, spot on, it's my kid's turn to get player

1656
01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:36,333
Speaker 2: of the day. Well, was he the player of the day?

1657
01:18:36,372 --> 01:18:38,372
Speaker 3: No, yes, it's not his to No, McDonald's about to

1658
01:18:38,412 --> 01:18:39,932
Speaker 3: for you. We're going to carry this on for about

1659
01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:42,213
Speaker 3: after three o'clock. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties

1660
01:18:42,253 --> 01:18:42,973
Speaker 3: the number.

1661
01:18:45,053 --> 01:18:49,372
Speaker 1: Your new home are insightful and entertaining talk. It's Maddie

1662
01:18:49,612 --> 01:18:52,692
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1663
01:18:52,812 --> 01:18:55,893
Speaker 3: Sibby, Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the

1664
01:18:55,933 --> 01:18:58,852
Speaker 3: show where we're having a great chat about letting kids

1665
01:18:58,893 --> 01:19:01,933
Speaker 3: win or should you ever let kids win? And this

1666
01:19:02,053 --> 01:19:04,253
Speaker 3: is on the back of Ugen Klopp. He is a

1667
01:19:04,612 --> 01:19:07,452
Speaker 3: veteran Liverpool manager hailed is one of the best of

1668
01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:10,772
Speaker 3: his generation. Did phenomenal things with that team Liverpool we

1669
01:19:10,812 --> 01:19:11,732
Speaker 3: FC oh.

1670
01:19:11,692 --> 01:19:14,812
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty. So should you go

1671
01:19:14,893 --> 01:19:17,452
Speaker 2: easy on your kids so they can experience victory or

1672
01:19:17,492 --> 01:19:20,213
Speaker 2: is it about building resilience and teaching the reality of

1673
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:25,092
Speaker 2: life by being better at them until they finally slay

1674
01:19:25,133 --> 01:19:28,492
Speaker 2: the dragon and become better than you. That's really the question.

1675
01:19:28,572 --> 01:19:30,492
Speaker 2: And also we're getting a few great stories about when

1676
01:19:30,692 --> 01:19:34,093
Speaker 2: people finally bet their parents at a sport finally bet

1677
01:19:34,213 --> 01:19:37,692
Speaker 2: dad or mum at a particular thing I've talked about before.

1678
01:19:37,732 --> 01:19:40,012
Speaker 2: When I finally my son finally met me at chess.

1679
01:19:40,253 --> 01:19:43,133
Speaker 2: That was one son. Yeah, celebrations, they were bigger than

1680
01:19:43,133 --> 01:19:48,852
Speaker 2: the celebrations of World Cup in twenty eleven. He had

1681
01:19:49,013 --> 01:19:52,452
Speaker 2: huge celebrations at finally beating me and so for him

1682
01:19:52,893 --> 01:19:57,732
Speaker 2: all those losses were worth it. Also, my other son

1683
01:19:58,013 --> 01:20:01,532
Speaker 2: and I have raced on ski fields off the lift

1684
01:20:01,973 --> 01:20:04,892
Speaker 2: first of the bottom for years, in years and years,

1685
01:20:04,973 --> 01:20:07,852
Speaker 2: so we always got up the chairlift together off the top.

1686
01:20:08,412 --> 01:20:11,333
Speaker 2: I just smashed him for years and years that but

1687
01:20:11,492 --> 01:20:15,892
Speaker 2: then recently he is so much faster than me and

1688
01:20:16,452 --> 01:20:20,372
Speaker 2: so he's so fearless. Reminds me of when I was

1689
01:20:20,372 --> 01:20:23,012
Speaker 2: a teenager, just the you can't compete with the lack

1690
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:27,852
Speaker 2: of fear. He will risk anything to beat me. He

1691
01:20:27,893 --> 01:20:30,253
Speaker 2: will just go straight, you know, he'll go off a

1692
01:20:30,253 --> 01:20:31,732
Speaker 2: cliff yep just to beat me.

1693
01:20:31,812 --> 01:20:34,013
Speaker 3: There's a joy in that fearlessness. Then just turn the

1694
01:20:34,013 --> 01:20:36,612
Speaker 3: skis to the bottom and then gets go for it.

1695
01:20:36,732 --> 01:20:37,612
Speaker 3: He will stop you.

1696
01:20:37,692 --> 01:20:39,452
Speaker 2: He'll run me off the skill field to beat me,

1697
01:20:39,732 --> 01:20:41,452
Speaker 2: and it's the most fun in the world. And now

1698
01:20:41,492 --> 01:20:44,053
Speaker 2: it's flipped where I'm just desperate to beat him now.

1699
01:20:44,572 --> 01:20:47,692
Speaker 2: And even though I've got my natural dad fear coming

1700
01:20:47,692 --> 01:20:51,173
Speaker 2: in as a get older, I will I will beat him.

1701
01:20:51,293 --> 01:20:53,692
Speaker 2: I will beat him again one more time, one more

1702
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:56,013
Speaker 2: time before the end. Charlie, if you're listening, which I

1703
01:20:56,093 --> 01:20:58,572
Speaker 2: absolutely know you're not, I will beat you one more

1704
01:20:58,572 --> 01:21:00,692
Speaker 2: time before the end of it. If it means spending

1705
01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:02,613
Speaker 2: two years in hospital recovery.

1706
01:21:02,333 --> 01:21:03,772
Speaker 3: Even going off that cliff, You've got to put your

1707
01:21:03,772 --> 01:21:05,532
Speaker 3: body on the line, man, That's what it's going to take.

1708
01:21:05,893 --> 01:21:08,652
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty eight is the number of cool.

1709
01:21:08,732 --> 01:21:11,293
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts about this and whether you

1710
01:21:11,293 --> 01:21:14,053
Speaker 3: do let your kids ever win at competition.

1711
01:21:14,293 --> 01:21:16,173
Speaker 2: This text is great show there are always going to

1712
01:21:16,173 --> 01:21:18,093
Speaker 2: be winners and losers. You need to teach them how

1713
01:21:18,133 --> 01:21:21,612
Speaker 2: to practice, which makes people improve. Don't be soft or

1714
01:21:21,692 --> 01:21:25,492
Speaker 2: you have cheatahs. Jack, Yeah, yeah, I'm a teacher. Aide

1715
01:21:25,492 --> 01:21:28,052
Speaker 2: says this text out and I've seen this over the years.

1716
01:21:28,772 --> 01:21:31,773
Speaker 2: You're all winners' kids. It's not the way to teach resilience.

1717
01:21:31,973 --> 01:21:35,053
Speaker 2: You work hard to win. It's all failed from the

1718
01:21:35,093 --> 01:21:39,293
Speaker 2: party bag someone's birthday, but you all get a present.

1719
01:21:39,652 --> 01:21:41,972
Speaker 2: We need children to have resilience. This is another issue.

1720
01:21:42,013 --> 01:21:44,772
Speaker 2: Where did the party bag come from? Where you go

1721
01:21:44,812 --> 01:21:47,133
Speaker 2: to a party and every kid leaves a little bag.

1722
01:21:47,492 --> 01:21:50,412
Speaker 2: That's got to stop. Yeah, that has got to stop.

1723
01:21:50,853 --> 01:21:52,812
Speaker 2: The kid whose birthday is gets the present.

1724
01:21:52,973 --> 01:21:53,732
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

1725
01:21:53,973 --> 01:21:56,452
Speaker 2: And maybe if you win the past the parcel. Yeah,

1726
01:21:56,532 --> 01:21:58,892
Speaker 2: but apart from that, you're going home with nothing. You're

1727
01:21:58,893 --> 01:22:00,772
Speaker 2: turning up with a lego set and you're going home

1728
01:22:00,812 --> 01:22:01,492
Speaker 2: with nothing. Kids.

1729
01:22:01,612 --> 01:22:04,612
Speaker 3: I did love that party bag though, that was fantastic.

1730
01:22:04,293 --> 01:22:06,892
Speaker 2: But you also did that come in with your generation?

1731
01:22:06,933 --> 01:22:09,412
Speaker 3: Do you think it was a millennial thing? Everybody needed

1732
01:22:09,412 --> 01:22:11,892
Speaker 3: a little party bag? See he did your week candies

1733
01:22:11,893 --> 01:22:13,973
Speaker 3: and you had you a couple of toys, and everybody's

1734
01:22:14,013 --> 01:22:14,412
Speaker 3: a winner.

1735
01:22:14,652 --> 01:22:16,933
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe when my mother and children sent me

1736
01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:18,612
Speaker 2: out to get stuff for a party bag.

1737
01:22:19,053 --> 01:22:22,852
Speaker 3: I'm not whose birthday is it here? No, Rachel, how

1738
01:22:22,853 --> 01:22:23,732
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

1739
01:22:24,612 --> 01:22:25,012
Speaker 16: I'm good?

1740
01:22:25,013 --> 01:22:26,253
Speaker 6: How are you very good?

1741
01:22:26,372 --> 01:22:28,333
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're traveling backwards, Rachel? Are you?

1742
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:29,013
Speaker 16: Oh?

1743
01:22:29,133 --> 01:22:29,372
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1744
01:22:29,412 --> 01:22:29,772
Speaker 27: Sorry?

1745
01:22:30,053 --> 01:22:30,572
Speaker 2: No, all good?

1746
01:22:30,692 --> 01:22:33,652
Speaker 6: Yeah, my child up.

1747
01:22:34,173 --> 01:22:35,213
Speaker 16: You're going to be mortified.

1748
01:22:35,253 --> 01:22:38,572
Speaker 2: Now all right, just let we'll let it go. We'll

1749
01:22:38,612 --> 01:22:40,013
Speaker 2: let it get in the car. Is you in the car.

1750
01:22:40,253 --> 01:22:41,333
Speaker 2: You need to let it get in the car.

1751
01:22:41,452 --> 01:22:44,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, she's a car.

1752
01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:47,013
Speaker 2: Okay, Hello, hello, Rachel's hello.

1753
01:22:48,213 --> 01:22:50,852
Speaker 16: I was wanting to talk about winning at all costs. Yes,

1754
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:55,972
Speaker 16: and and my family growing up even today, if you when.

1755
01:22:55,812 --> 01:22:59,133
Speaker 3: You are the best, yes, yep, no.

1756
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:01,333
Speaker 16: Questions about it. In fact, we used to have a

1757
01:23:01,372 --> 01:23:05,253
Speaker 16: batch at y hit key ye back probably around the

1758
01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:07,132
Speaker 16: nineties nineteen.

1759
01:23:07,293 --> 01:23:08,213
Speaker 3: You're definitely winning.

1760
01:23:08,652 --> 01:23:09,252
Speaker 27: I remember.

1761
01:23:10,492 --> 01:23:12,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, No, we don't have it anymore.

1762
01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:13,933
Speaker 27: But my dad.

1763
01:23:15,173 --> 01:23:18,333
Speaker 16: We used to always play cricket, cricket on the beach.

1764
01:23:18,412 --> 01:23:21,173
Speaker 16: I remember my dad smashing the ball into the water

1765
01:23:21,973 --> 01:23:26,412
Speaker 16: so much so that my brother nearly drowned himself trying

1766
01:23:26,452 --> 01:23:28,812
Speaker 16: to swim out past the waves to get it as

1767
01:23:28,933 --> 01:23:32,012
Speaker 16: Dad was just running between the wickets with his hands

1768
01:23:32,013 --> 01:23:34,812
Speaker 16: in the air. Like yeah, And I think I have

1769
01:23:34,853 --> 01:23:37,812
Speaker 16: a feeling Mum might have threaten to divorce him. That

1770
01:23:38,333 --> 01:23:39,652
Speaker 16: might go out and help.

1771
01:23:39,853 --> 01:23:42,652
Speaker 2: That might be just a sniff too far there, Rachel.

1772
01:23:44,333 --> 01:23:47,732
Speaker 16: Yes, but I have I have followed on the tradition

1773
01:23:47,893 --> 01:23:50,013
Speaker 16: and it's the same in my family. We don't let

1774
01:23:50,053 --> 01:23:53,612
Speaker 16: them one. But now, like you say, with my older kids,

1775
01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:54,492
Speaker 16: I actually can't one.

1776
01:23:54,652 --> 01:23:57,892
Speaker 2: So so the child, the child that you've just picked

1777
01:23:57,933 --> 01:23:59,892
Speaker 2: up and it's jumped in the back of your car, Rachel.

1778
01:24:00,053 --> 01:24:00,892
Speaker 6: That was my son.

1779
01:24:01,572 --> 01:24:04,892
Speaker 2: That's that's your son. And has can he beat you

1780
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:06,333
Speaker 2: at anything yet? Rachel?

1781
01:24:07,372 --> 01:24:09,973
Speaker 16: He's been able to beat me since I had to

1782
01:24:09,973 --> 01:24:14,372
Speaker 16: stop playing rugby league with him, since about seven son.

1783
01:24:14,572 --> 01:24:17,012
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and.

1784
01:24:17,173 --> 01:24:19,733
Speaker 16: Now it's just no, yeah, even basketball.

1785
01:24:19,772 --> 01:24:19,852
Speaker 15: No.

1786
01:24:20,093 --> 01:24:24,692
Speaker 2: Well, is there anything you can beat him at yet? Still? Chess?

1787
01:24:24,732 --> 01:24:28,972
Speaker 3: Probably snakes and letters, Okay, it's a game of chance, chance.

1788
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:29,293
Speaker 6: Of the dice.

1789
01:24:29,452 --> 01:24:32,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you need to find something that you're really

1790
01:24:32,093 --> 01:24:34,892
Speaker 2: good at just to continue the defeating of him for

1791
01:24:34,933 --> 01:24:36,012
Speaker 2: his own personal growth.

1792
01:24:36,732 --> 01:24:38,693
Speaker 16: I was going to say, I think table tennis.

1793
01:24:38,853 --> 01:24:40,452
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, good.

1794
01:24:40,933 --> 01:24:43,333
Speaker 16: Yeah, we've got to be carried away with table tennis

1795
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:46,133
Speaker 16: in my family that we've got a trophy and my

1796
01:24:46,213 --> 01:24:49,333
Speaker 16: dad called himself the wizard. But that's a whole nother

1797
01:24:49,412 --> 01:24:52,612
Speaker 16: story table tennis. So I reckon I could still one.

1798
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,692
Speaker 2: We'll just get get a coach in the background, you know,

1799
01:24:55,812 --> 01:24:57,732
Speaker 2: spend a lot of money, become amazing at it, and

1800
01:24:57,772 --> 01:24:59,692
Speaker 2: just quietly don't say anything, and then just turn up

1801
01:24:59,692 --> 01:25:04,892
Speaker 2: with just the most incredible serve that changes direction on landing,

1802
01:25:05,093 --> 01:25:08,053
Speaker 2: that'll get them. Thank you for you call Rachel you

1803
01:25:08,093 --> 01:25:14,133
Speaker 2: know my partner's family, they talk up heavily how competitive

1804
01:25:14,173 --> 01:25:14,452
Speaker 2: they are.

1805
01:25:14,572 --> 01:25:14,812
Speaker 3: Yep.

1806
01:25:14,973 --> 01:25:17,052
Speaker 2: And I was at a sort of a table tennis

1807
01:25:17,093 --> 01:25:23,173
Speaker 2: tournament with her family, and the table tennis tournament got

1808
01:25:23,293 --> 01:25:26,052
Speaker 2: so intense, and I'm just new to the family, yep,

1809
01:25:26,372 --> 01:25:30,173
Speaker 2: got so intense that my partner's mum broke her wrist

1810
01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:31,253
Speaker 2: playing table tennis.

1811
01:25:31,253 --> 01:25:31,972
Speaker 3: Wow, did you win?

1812
01:25:32,013 --> 01:25:35,173
Speaker 2: Though I wasn't. I wasn't actually at the other end

1813
01:25:35,213 --> 01:25:36,372
Speaker 2: of the court at that point.

1814
01:25:36,933 --> 01:25:37,692
Speaker 3: It was a challenger.

1815
01:25:37,933 --> 01:25:40,013
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who the challenger was, but it got

1816
01:25:40,013 --> 01:25:41,812
Speaker 2: to the point where she had broken wrist and had

1817
01:25:41,812 --> 01:25:43,812
Speaker 2: to get rushed off to hospital. That's how intense that

1818
01:25:43,812 --> 01:25:46,333
Speaker 2: table tennis tournament got well done, and it was putting

1819
01:25:46,333 --> 01:25:47,652
Speaker 2: your body on the line, and it was good to see.

1820
01:25:47,692 --> 01:25:48,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic.

1821
01:25:49,372 --> 01:25:51,292
Speaker 2: She was horrible to see, but the level of competition

1822
01:25:51,412 --> 01:25:51,932
Speaker 2: was good to see.

1823
01:25:51,973 --> 01:25:52,133
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1824
01:25:52,173 --> 01:25:54,173
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm still thinking about

1825
01:25:54,173 --> 01:25:56,412
Speaker 3: that table tennis match we had, mate, We've got to

1826
01:25:56,412 --> 01:25:58,612
Speaker 3: have a rematch. I mean, I'm still I'm still dirty

1827
01:25:58,652 --> 01:25:59,253
Speaker 3: on that that.

1828
01:25:59,372 --> 01:26:03,053
Speaker 2: I will never let you, oh man, for your own

1829
01:26:03,093 --> 01:26:03,572
Speaker 2: good time.

1830
01:26:03,452 --> 01:26:06,492
Speaker 3: I've got it. Build resilience eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1831
01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:08,532
Speaker 3: is the number to call love to you your thoughts. Ever,

1832
01:26:08,572 --> 01:26:09,532
Speaker 3: let your children win?

1833
01:26:09,973 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 2: Parents, stop carrying your kids school bag. You look like

1834
01:26:12,772 --> 01:26:14,852
Speaker 2: a loser. That's a good but you cannot care. Oh

1835
01:26:14,853 --> 01:26:17,013
Speaker 2: my god, you cannot carry your kids school bag to

1836
01:26:17,053 --> 01:26:17,652
Speaker 2: school for them.

1837
01:26:17,732 --> 01:26:19,652
Speaker 3: That's the bare minimum. That's not even a competition.

1838
01:26:19,732 --> 01:26:20,892
Speaker 2: You're a parent, not a sherpa.

1839
01:26:20,973 --> 01:26:24,253
Speaker 3: I've got shoulders us talk said, be afternoon to year

1840
01:26:24,293 --> 01:26:27,892
Speaker 3: seventeen pass three. Do you ever let your kids win?

1841
01:26:28,253 --> 01:26:29,892
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts on our eight one hundred

1842
01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:32,173
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. So many texts are coming through

1843
01:26:32,572 --> 01:26:35,892
Speaker 3: on nine to nine to two, and.

1844
01:26:35,933 --> 01:26:37,572
Speaker 2: There's a sort of sight issue going on as well

1845
01:26:37,572 --> 01:26:40,412
Speaker 2: as when did party bags become a thing? You know

1846
01:26:40,412 --> 01:26:42,093
Speaker 2: when you go to a party and it's not just

1847
01:26:42,213 --> 01:26:44,812
Speaker 2: the person whose birthday is gets presents, it's everyone there,

1848
01:26:44,812 --> 01:26:48,093
Speaker 2: which I think is disgusting. This text said worst ever

1849
01:26:48,173 --> 01:26:51,293
Speaker 2: party bag my daughter came home with was a goldfish.

1850
01:26:51,532 --> 01:26:53,173
Speaker 3: That is that is a pain of the bart that

1851
01:26:53,293 --> 01:26:55,093
Speaker 3: nobody wants a goldfish to come home to.

1852
01:26:55,253 --> 01:26:57,772
Speaker 2: No one wants a goldfish. You think goldfish are gonna beautiful,

1853
01:26:57,812 --> 01:27:00,652
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna swim around it's gonna be peaceful.

1854
01:27:00,692 --> 01:27:03,412
Speaker 2: And then you have to clean out the tank.

1855
01:27:03,572 --> 01:27:05,932
Speaker 3: So much, Edmund, and they're boring. They just swim around.

1856
01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:08,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't even look that we had a great golf.

1857
01:27:08,612 --> 01:27:10,293
Speaker 2: It is called apple that I'll never say a bad

1858
01:27:10,293 --> 01:27:16,173
Speaker 2: word about Peter your thoughts on letting kids win, not.

1859
01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:21,493
Speaker 20: Even unless it's legit. I used to move the goalpost

1860
01:27:21,572 --> 01:27:25,532
Speaker 20: where I could, like if we're playing uno or five

1861
01:27:25,612 --> 01:27:28,933
Speaker 20: crowns and she was getting destroyed, I'd make sure that

1862
01:27:29,053 --> 01:27:33,093
Speaker 20: I accidentally put down the wrong cards so she would

1863
01:27:33,133 --> 01:27:36,692
Speaker 20: have an ability to give me pick up twenty or whatever,

1864
01:27:37,093 --> 01:27:43,013
Speaker 20: but still crush her and so make it yeah like

1865
01:27:43,173 --> 01:27:46,052
Speaker 20: last card and all that. Always make it hard for yourself,

1866
01:27:46,093 --> 01:27:49,213
Speaker 20: but still still make sure you win and make a big,

1867
01:27:49,612 --> 01:27:52,253
Speaker 20: big player. You know, I had twenty cards in my hand.

1868
01:27:52,253 --> 01:27:54,452
Speaker 20: You had three, you know, blah blah blah.

1869
01:27:54,812 --> 01:27:58,812
Speaker 2: And did you do that and because of your belief

1870
01:27:59,053 --> 01:28:01,173
Speaker 2: that it was good for parenting or was it a

1871
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:01,892
Speaker 2: competitive thing?

1872
01:28:01,973 --> 01:28:05,133
Speaker 20: Oh no, that was the way I was taught. You'd

1873
01:28:05,173 --> 01:28:07,492
Speaker 20: talk by you know, by the more you play, the

1874
01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:10,932
Speaker 20: better you get. And she beat me and swimming at

1875
01:28:10,933 --> 01:28:14,972
Speaker 20: the age of sixteen, and again I moved the gold

1876
01:28:15,013 --> 01:28:17,852
Speaker 20: post a little bit by saying that you can beat

1877
01:28:17,853 --> 01:28:21,973
Speaker 20: me in all four strokes, then you're the king and

1878
01:28:22,333 --> 01:28:24,852
Speaker 20: the only one. She can't beat me, and she can't

1879
01:28:24,893 --> 01:28:30,412
Speaker 20: do twenty five meters underwater yet, So I'm still raining, raining.

1880
01:28:32,532 --> 01:28:34,372
Speaker 20: But it's good though. I think it's really good for

1881
01:28:34,412 --> 01:28:38,652
Speaker 20: them because they learn that you're not the entirewood, you're

1882
01:28:38,652 --> 01:28:41,012
Speaker 20: not the best at everything. There's going to be people

1883
01:28:41,053 --> 01:28:43,812
Speaker 20: that will destroy you without even smiling at you.

1884
01:28:43,933 --> 01:28:49,813
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And it also teaches them that competence

1885
01:28:49,933 --> 01:28:52,693
Speaker 2: is something to strive for and something to be admired.

1886
01:28:53,333 --> 01:28:56,333
Speaker 2: So the fact that that Dad's good at something is

1887
01:28:57,893 --> 01:29:01,492
Speaker 2: something to strive for. And then and it's worthwhile. It's

1888
01:29:02,053 --> 01:29:04,412
Speaker 2: for want a better word, you're a dragon. That's worth saying.

1889
01:29:04,772 --> 01:29:07,333
Speaker 2: You know, if you just trample over all over dad

1890
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:11,213
Speaker 2: from a young age, you you know, that's not a

1891
01:29:11,213 --> 01:29:13,852
Speaker 2: great role model situation. You just go or Dad's useless,

1892
01:29:13,893 --> 01:29:15,412
Speaker 2: and that's disappointing.

1893
01:29:17,532 --> 01:29:20,333
Speaker 20: It gets to a different point though, Like we did

1894
01:29:20,372 --> 01:29:23,333
Speaker 20: this thing down at the Aquatic Center down town where

1895
01:29:23,492 --> 01:29:27,253
Speaker 20: one meter board, three meter board five, eight, And here

1896
01:29:27,293 --> 01:29:29,492
Speaker 20: I am sitting at the eight meter board up on

1897
01:29:29,572 --> 01:29:33,892
Speaker 20: the platform going hey damn, and I'm like, oh, well,

1898
01:29:33,893 --> 01:29:36,692
Speaker 20: if you don't go, you're a chicken. And if I jump,

1899
01:29:36,772 --> 01:29:39,053
Speaker 20: and I turned around and looked back up for it,

1900
01:29:39,293 --> 01:29:44,492
Speaker 20: she jumped, and I'm right ten meters next I'm going

1901
01:29:44,572 --> 01:29:48,772
Speaker 20: to soar end call from that last one. But yeah,

1902
01:29:48,812 --> 01:29:50,612
Speaker 20: you have to do it. You have to do it.

1903
01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:52,452
Speaker 3: And how long do you reck until she beats you

1904
01:29:52,492 --> 01:29:54,812
Speaker 3: on the underwater twenty five meters? She must be training,

1905
01:29:54,853 --> 01:29:55,173
Speaker 3: is she.

1906
01:29:57,173 --> 01:29:57,333
Speaker 1: No?

1907
01:29:57,412 --> 01:30:01,572
Speaker 20: Because she she doesn't listen, you know how you hold

1908
01:30:01,572 --> 01:30:05,213
Speaker 20: your breath and click, you know, so she doesn't like

1909
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:08,092
Speaker 20: when we go snorking that she's good, but she doesn't

1910
01:30:08,412 --> 01:30:11,053
Speaker 20: practice to twenty five. Like whenever I go to the

1911
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:13,133
Speaker 20: pool with her, that's the first thing I know. I

1912
01:30:13,253 --> 01:30:16,612
Speaker 20: do twenty five meters underwater, the first very first thing

1913
01:30:16,612 --> 01:30:19,772
Speaker 20: I do. And then i'd see where she comes and

1914
01:30:19,812 --> 01:30:27,012
Speaker 20: she's she's close. I reckon. She's about maybe eighteen meters.

1915
01:30:27,492 --> 01:30:29,892
Speaker 2: You hold onto that out, You hold onto that twenty

1916
01:30:29,933 --> 01:30:31,732
Speaker 2: five meters for as long as you can, Peter.

1917
01:30:31,612 --> 01:30:33,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need it. You need a couple of crowns.

1918
01:30:33,853 --> 01:30:38,253
Speaker 2: They're called loot bags. Obviously you never prepared them bags. Okay,

1919
01:30:38,253 --> 01:30:41,732
Speaker 2: for a start, Texter, I have prepared these party bags before,

1920
01:30:41,853 --> 01:30:44,293
Speaker 2: and it disgusted me that they exist. That every kid

1921
01:30:44,333 --> 01:30:46,492
Speaker 2: gets a party bag when they leave a party. And

1922
01:30:46,532 --> 01:30:48,652
Speaker 2: you can call them loot bags if you want, but

1923
01:30:49,293 --> 01:30:52,412
Speaker 2: I call them party bags. All right, we'll treat bags, okay,

1924
01:30:53,173 --> 01:30:56,412
Speaker 2: loot bags, pegs. Don't tell me that's not a millennial thing.

1925
01:30:56,412 --> 01:30:57,092
Speaker 3: Can I just say.

1926
01:30:56,933 --> 01:30:59,852
Speaker 2: That that's compelled speech. You're telling me to call them

1927
01:30:59,893 --> 01:31:00,293
Speaker 2: loot bags.

1928
01:31:00,333 --> 01:31:02,973
Speaker 3: I'll call them whatever I want. Oh, one hundred and

1929
01:31:03,013 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1930
01:31:04,692 --> 01:31:06,612
Speaker 2: Your dad? Did this to you, Tyler? He did my

1931
01:31:06,692 --> 01:31:08,972
Speaker 2: dad's words. When I'd leave home for a netball game

1932
01:31:09,093 --> 01:31:12,013
Speaker 2: or speaking competition, don't come home if you don't win.

1933
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:15,333
Speaker 2: That's what that's nearly that nearly killed you across country,

1934
01:31:15,372 --> 01:31:15,692
Speaker 2: didn't it.

1935
01:31:15,772 --> 01:31:18,253
Speaker 3: Nearly nearly killed me. So it was into a regional

1936
01:31:18,333 --> 01:31:20,012
Speaker 3: running competition. And can I say I was a pretty

1937
01:31:20,013 --> 01:31:22,053
Speaker 3: good runner. I was the pride of Hope School at

1938
01:31:22,053 --> 01:31:24,172
Speaker 3: the time. There was about ten schools that were competing.

1939
01:31:24,412 --> 01:31:26,093
Speaker 3: And the old man before I left, he did say

1940
01:31:26,133 --> 01:31:28,253
Speaker 3: he said, if you don't come third or better, don't

1941
01:31:28,253 --> 01:31:30,932
Speaker 3: bother coming home. Now I think he was kind of joking,

1942
01:31:31,093 --> 01:31:34,572
Speaker 3: but that motivation. I ended up getting third place. I

1943
01:31:34,612 --> 01:31:36,173
Speaker 3: lost my shoe in the middle and had to run

1944
01:31:36,213 --> 01:31:39,173
Speaker 3: back and get my shoe and almost completely destroyed me.

1945
01:31:39,253 --> 01:31:41,932
Speaker 3: But hey, that was motivation. I knew if I didn't

1946
01:31:41,933 --> 01:31:44,892
Speaker 3: get at least third place, then I was homeless from

1947
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:45,333
Speaker 3: that point on.

1948
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:50,052
Speaker 2: But what's amazing about that is that you got third

1949
01:31:50,053 --> 01:31:51,972
Speaker 2: place and ran back and got your shoe.

1950
01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:54,892
Speaker 3: Yeah. So also conscious I could have got I could

1951
01:31:54,933 --> 01:31:55,732
Speaker 3: have got first.

1952
01:31:55,933 --> 01:31:56,213
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1953
01:31:56,253 --> 01:31:58,213
Speaker 3: And I don't know how Dad felt about that. Actually,

1954
01:31:58,213 --> 01:31:59,612
Speaker 3: he was probably a bit disappointed that I had to

1955
01:31:59,652 --> 01:32:00,572
Speaker 3: go back and get my shoe.

1956
01:32:00,652 --> 01:32:02,612
Speaker 2: You couldn't zole a butt it into a half solar.

1957
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:04,532
Speaker 2: But I should have just left the shoe there, Matt.

1958
01:32:04,572 --> 01:32:06,772
Speaker 2: When my son was younger, we decided no party bag.

1959
01:32:06,893 --> 01:32:11,812
Speaker 2: See this physicals and party bag at his birthday. Other

1960
01:32:11,893 --> 01:32:15,013
Speaker 2: kids had a mountdown when they discovered this. Where did

1961
01:32:15,013 --> 01:32:18,133
Speaker 2: this idea come from? That's from Craig. Yeah, you go

1962
01:32:18,213 --> 01:32:19,772
Speaker 2: to a party and leave with presents.

1963
01:32:20,253 --> 01:32:22,492
Speaker 3: It's got to stop a bunch of losers. Yeah, it's

1964
01:32:22,532 --> 01:32:23,852
Speaker 3: twenty three past three.

1965
01:32:24,893 --> 01:32:27,652
Speaker 2: All those cute little kids at parties. Bunch of losers.

1966
01:32:27,652 --> 01:32:35,492
Speaker 1: Hard enough, Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight

1967
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:37,933
Speaker 1: hundred eighty eighty on US dogs.

1968
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:42,972
Speaker 3: V News doorgs VV. It is twenty five past three.

1969
01:32:43,293 --> 01:32:45,492
Speaker 3: Are we getting so many calls about where that you

1970
01:32:45,532 --> 01:32:47,773
Speaker 3: should ever let your kids win it? Competition?

1971
01:32:47,933 --> 01:32:51,772
Speaker 2: And there's sort of a side quest on around this topic.

1972
01:32:52,053 --> 01:32:54,492
Speaker 2: Fully agree with Goodie Bags wrong message to my kids

1973
01:32:54,893 --> 01:32:57,973
Speaker 2: needs to learn the day isn't about him. Yeah, yeah,

1974
01:32:58,412 --> 01:33:00,333
Speaker 2: the band, the Goodie Bags, Yeah, you don't need to

1975
01:33:00,372 --> 01:33:02,652
Speaker 2: do it parents and if the kids throw a shit.

1976
01:33:02,732 --> 01:33:04,412
Speaker 2: I think the problem with parents though, is that we

1977
01:33:04,452 --> 01:33:06,692
Speaker 2: go well. I want my kid to be popular, so

1978
01:33:06,812 --> 01:33:08,053
Speaker 2: I don't want them to have a party in the

1979
01:33:08,093 --> 01:33:09,772
Speaker 2: part not to go well because it won't be popular.

1980
01:33:09,812 --> 01:33:11,213
Speaker 2: But you need to get your head out of whether

1981
01:33:11,213 --> 01:33:14,213
Speaker 2: your kids popular. That's not it's your kid's job to

1982
01:33:14,213 --> 01:33:17,213
Speaker 2: become popular or not. You know, you can't buy them

1983
01:33:17,293 --> 01:33:21,293
Speaker 2: into popularity. Very true, I totally. I agree, totally. It

1984
01:33:21,293 --> 01:33:23,572
Speaker 2: makes our kids resilient and they learn how to win

1985
01:33:23,692 --> 01:33:25,452
Speaker 2: or lose. This is on the topic of not letting

1986
01:33:25,492 --> 01:33:28,892
Speaker 2: your kids win and how to mentally deal with this

1987
01:33:29,173 --> 01:33:32,053
Speaker 2: and help others that can't cope. Says the TEXTA. This

1988
01:33:32,173 --> 01:33:34,812
Speaker 2: is all for their life skills for the future. It's

1989
01:33:34,853 --> 01:33:37,092
Speaker 2: a life skill. And on that I'm on a losing

1990
01:33:37,133 --> 01:33:40,253
Speaker 2: streak and it's making a cooking sour dough. I just

1991
01:33:40,333 --> 01:33:44,053
Speaker 2: can't get it, and the oldest has nailed it. I'm

1992
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:46,532
Speaker 2: sneaking in some attempts and I'm getting better. But in

1993
01:33:46,572 --> 01:33:49,173
Speaker 2: the meantime on the family chat is my sour dough

1994
01:33:49,213 --> 01:33:52,492
Speaker 2: photo with it x ribbing family love and respect.

1995
01:33:52,532 --> 01:33:54,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, ithurs when they beat you at the sour dough.

1996
01:33:54,612 --> 01:33:55,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, Debbie, welcome to the show.

1997
01:33:56,732 --> 01:33:57,812
Speaker 28: Hi, how are you guys?

1998
01:33:58,173 --> 01:34:00,412
Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you calling good.

1999
01:34:00,692 --> 01:34:03,812
Speaker 28: Look I align with Peter the caller before you play.

2000
01:34:03,893 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 28: I mean, when they're tiny, you let them win and

2001
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:07,772
Speaker 28: it's fun, but eventually you start to go, no, you've

2002
01:34:07,772 --> 01:34:10,812
Speaker 28: got to win on your own. With my kids, when

2003
01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:14,612
Speaker 28: we were playing games and things like that, and if

2004
01:34:14,652 --> 01:34:17,253
Speaker 28: they lost, they start to sort of grumpies and sulks

2005
01:34:17,253 --> 01:34:19,013
Speaker 28: and things, and you go, well, hang on, how do

2006
01:34:19,093 --> 01:34:21,532
Speaker 28: you know it was your day to win today? Maybe

2007
01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:24,333
Speaker 28: it's my day to day and your day tomorrow it's not,

2008
01:34:24,532 --> 01:34:26,452
Speaker 28: you know, So we've sort of got around it that

2009
01:34:26,492 --> 01:34:28,532
Speaker 28: way a little bit, that you have to keep trying

2010
01:34:29,452 --> 01:34:31,452
Speaker 28: because you never know when it's your day to win,

2011
01:34:32,452 --> 01:34:34,253
Speaker 28: and if you don't keep trying, you're never going to

2012
01:34:34,333 --> 01:34:35,253
Speaker 28: get there sort of thing.

2013
01:34:35,372 --> 01:34:39,173
Speaker 2: So what do you reckon is the age of swapover

2014
01:34:39,532 --> 01:34:42,612
Speaker 2: from letting them when to going hard.

2015
01:34:43,572 --> 01:34:46,412
Speaker 28: Look, I would probably go three four, maybe four sort

2016
01:34:46,452 --> 01:34:48,772
Speaker 28: of thing there. You've got to, you know, put your

2017
01:34:48,772 --> 01:34:50,372
Speaker 28: socks on a little bit as an adult, you know,

2018
01:34:50,412 --> 01:34:52,253
Speaker 28: and they slowly get a little bit higher. It depends

2019
01:34:52,293 --> 01:34:54,173
Speaker 28: on the kid's character.

2020
01:34:53,933 --> 01:34:55,093
Speaker 16: And things like that.

2021
01:34:56,492 --> 01:34:58,933
Speaker 28: My eldest was a kid that probably at three we

2022
01:34:59,053 --> 01:35:00,652
Speaker 28: had the socks half way up to our knee sort

2023
01:35:00,652 --> 01:35:02,333
Speaker 28: of thing, playing where the go you can lose, you

2024
01:35:02,372 --> 01:35:04,052
Speaker 28: can deal with it sort of thing, and she would

2025
01:35:04,053 --> 01:35:06,932
Speaker 28: think outside the square of trying to how can I win?

2026
01:35:07,093 --> 01:35:09,412
Speaker 28: So it depends on the but I reckon around then

2027
01:35:09,412 --> 01:35:11,492
Speaker 28: you've got to start to teach them. You know that

2028
01:35:11,572 --> 01:35:13,372
Speaker 28: it's you don't need refunk.

2029
01:35:14,452 --> 01:35:14,612
Speaker 16: But.

2030
01:35:16,053 --> 01:35:18,372
Speaker 2: Think if you called Debbie With my kids, I used

2031
01:35:18,412 --> 01:35:20,932
Speaker 2: to do a lot of w WE wrestling with them

2032
01:35:20,933 --> 01:35:23,652
Speaker 2: from a very young age, from like three onwards, and

2033
01:35:23,652 --> 01:35:26,093
Speaker 2: you went hard, Oh absolutely, but you know, not to

2034
01:35:26,173 --> 01:35:28,652
Speaker 2: hurt them. But mostly i'd get them in a move

2035
01:35:28,692 --> 01:35:31,492
Speaker 2: and then hit them onto the bed, far into the bed.

2036
01:35:32,133 --> 01:35:34,052
Speaker 2: But I remember once I was walking down the hallway

2037
01:35:34,213 --> 01:35:39,253
Speaker 2: and my son Charlie. He came, he was three, and

2038
01:35:39,333 --> 01:35:43,852
Speaker 2: he offers bunk bed. He came launching off his bunk

2039
01:35:43,853 --> 01:35:48,293
Speaker 2: bed and flew out the door to tackle me. Good boy,

2040
01:35:48,893 --> 01:35:53,612
Speaker 2: trying to do you know, an elbow drop. Well, he

2041
01:35:53,692 --> 01:35:57,892
Speaker 2: just came flying out the door and with his elbow

2042
01:35:57,973 --> 01:35:59,772
Speaker 2: out and I had to I had to catch him

2043
01:36:00,173 --> 01:36:01,892
Speaker 2: in midiir and I was like, okay, we need to

2044
01:36:02,013 --> 01:36:03,652
Speaker 2: just put some parameters on this.

2045
01:36:03,732 --> 01:36:06,173
Speaker 3: Good boy. Charlie him always had him.

2046
01:36:06,492 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 2: He set up a he set up a trap for me.

2047
01:36:08,532 --> 01:36:11,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we've got the headlines with railing coming up.

2048
01:36:12,013 --> 01:36:13,492
Speaker 3: But can you hear from you? Oh one hundred and

2049
01:36:13,532 --> 01:36:15,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty, We've got full boards. If you can't

2050
01:36:15,532 --> 01:36:18,892
Speaker 3: get through, keep trying. Do you ever let your children win?

2051
01:36:19,213 --> 01:36:22,253
Speaker 2: Our family saying second place is first loser?

2052
01:36:22,372 --> 01:36:23,692
Speaker 3: Great science, says this Texter.

2053
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:28,173
Speaker 1: You talks evy headlines with.

2054
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:31,293
Speaker 13: Blue bubble, taxis, it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2055
01:36:31,853 --> 01:36:36,653
Speaker 13: The National Emergency Management Agency is activated a national coordination

2056
01:36:36,893 --> 01:36:41,492
Speaker 13: center ahead of destructive winds tomorrow. Met Service has issued

2057
01:36:41,692 --> 01:36:45,612
Speaker 13: rare red wind warnings in Wellington, Southern Wided, Upper and

2058
01:36:45,772 --> 01:36:50,572
Speaker 13: Canterbury fires fueled by strong winds yesterday are still burning

2059
01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:55,333
Speaker 13: and the continued heavy weather is stymying firefighters. Cruise is

2060
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:58,492
Speaker 13: still at work in Caikoda, but aerial teams in Hawks

2061
01:36:58,532 --> 01:37:01,532
Speaker 13: Bay are grounded and a new blaze is broken out

2062
01:37:01,572 --> 01:37:05,812
Speaker 13: north of Dunedin. Police urging witnesses to come forward who

2063
01:37:05,893 --> 01:37:09,612
Speaker 13: are around Gisbon's Ormond Road and Dale on the night

2064
01:37:09,652 --> 01:37:14,132
Speaker 13: a man was shot September twenty nine. Nissana is recording

2065
01:37:14,133 --> 01:37:19,293
Speaker 13: more than sixteen hundred j twelve cash Kais SUVs. They

2066
01:37:19,333 --> 01:37:22,572
Speaker 13: were built between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four.

2067
01:37:23,013 --> 01:37:26,093
Speaker 13: It's because of a possible fire risk. Owner shall take

2068
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:30,132
Speaker 13: their cart in Nisandilas for a free repair. Air Barston

2069
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:33,293
Speaker 13: Cafe Pacific signed one hundred and twenty two million dollar

2070
01:37:33,372 --> 01:37:36,812
Speaker 13: sustainable aviation fuel deal. You can see more at ends

2071
01:37:36,853 --> 01:37:40,372
Speaker 13: in Herald Premium macmail to matt Ethan Tyner Adams.

2072
01:37:40,452 --> 01:37:43,692
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Lane. Having a great discussion

2073
01:37:43,732 --> 01:37:46,852
Speaker 3: about do you ever let your children win at games

2074
01:37:46,893 --> 01:37:49,852
Speaker 3: in competition or does it build resilience to show them

2075
01:37:49,893 --> 01:37:50,452
Speaker 3: the reality?

2076
01:37:50,853 --> 01:37:52,932
Speaker 2: Dev says, hey, guys, what about that child that never

2077
01:37:52,973 --> 01:37:56,133
Speaker 2: wins it any sport, just not athletic. I am the

2078
01:37:56,213 --> 01:37:58,572
Speaker 2: least athletic person in my house and the smallest always

2079
01:37:58,572 --> 01:38:01,973
Speaker 2: picked glass for sports team type of kid. Yeah, but

2080
01:38:02,173 --> 01:38:05,772
Speaker 2: it doesn't have it's not just about sport, like I

2081
01:38:05,812 --> 01:38:09,573
Speaker 2: was saying before, the artwork for the fridge, for example,

2082
01:38:10,053 --> 01:38:13,132
Speaker 2: So there needs to be a standard of artwork before

2083
01:38:13,173 --> 01:38:17,173
Speaker 2: a child has gets the reward of having that artwork

2084
01:38:17,173 --> 01:38:20,732
Speaker 2: put on the fridge. I remember we had a discussion

2085
01:38:20,732 --> 01:38:22,532
Speaker 2: where one of my kids drew this great picture and

2086
01:38:22,612 --> 01:38:25,013
Speaker 2: we put it on the fridge, and then he just

2087
01:38:25,053 --> 01:38:27,372
Speaker 2: started coming running over to the table doing a little

2088
01:38:27,372 --> 01:38:29,692
Speaker 2: scribble and bringing it over to be put on the fridge. Right,

2089
01:38:29,732 --> 01:38:31,612
Speaker 2: and one of those pictures got put on the fridge,

2090
01:38:31,652 --> 01:38:33,452
Speaker 2: and then I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

2091
01:38:33,452 --> 01:38:36,452
Speaker 2: no no. There is a minimum standard of effort that

2092
01:38:36,532 --> 01:38:38,892
Speaker 2: needs to be put into a picture before it gets

2093
01:38:39,053 --> 01:38:41,452
Speaker 2: the reward of being put on the fridge. Otherwise you've

2094
01:38:41,452 --> 01:38:43,932
Speaker 2: got a kid running back just getting a crown, doing

2095
01:38:43,933 --> 01:38:46,213
Speaker 2: a couple of scribbles and then bringing it up and

2096
01:38:46,213 --> 01:38:49,652
Speaker 2: getting the reward, and then they don't understand the idea

2097
01:38:49,853 --> 01:38:51,372
Speaker 2: that the reward comes with work.

2098
01:38:51,893 --> 01:38:55,372
Speaker 3: So good point their quality control and that message of

2099
01:38:55,612 --> 01:38:57,652
Speaker 3: I mean if they spent half a day doing that

2100
01:38:57,933 --> 01:39:00,372
Speaker 3: it's different, right. You can see they're putting energy and

2101
01:39:00,412 --> 01:39:03,173
Speaker 3: a bit of skill involved into that and learning and

2102
01:39:03,213 --> 01:39:04,692
Speaker 3: getting some challenge under their belt.

2103
01:39:04,812 --> 01:39:07,133
Speaker 2: And you know, the smallest kid or you know, the

2104
01:39:07,173 --> 01:39:10,253
Speaker 2: youngest kids know any really So it's not you know,

2105
01:39:10,293 --> 01:39:15,852
Speaker 2: it's not about sport. It could be cards, could be monopoly, cludo, yep,

2106
01:39:15,973 --> 01:39:19,932
Speaker 2: whatever it is, art, sport, whatever it is. You know,

2107
01:39:20,293 --> 01:39:23,092
Speaker 2: you just teach kids that that they have to work

2108
01:39:23,133 --> 01:39:25,093
Speaker 2: for the rewards that they get.

2109
01:39:25,333 --> 01:39:29,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, I agree, right right.

2110
01:39:30,612 --> 01:39:32,772
Speaker 2: And to tell you what, the greatest sports people and

2111
01:39:32,812 --> 01:39:35,093
Speaker 2: the greatest achievers in the world are people that have

2112
01:39:35,173 --> 01:39:38,772
Speaker 2: older kids. It's you know that that they have to

2113
01:39:38,812 --> 01:39:41,253
Speaker 2: compete with, right, Yeah, So you may be the smallest

2114
01:39:41,372 --> 01:39:45,093
Speaker 2: and you may be the worst, but you'll be you'll

2115
01:39:45,133 --> 01:39:48,412
Speaker 2: be made better by competing with older kids in your family.

2116
01:39:48,532 --> 01:39:48,892
Speaker 3: Very true.

2117
01:39:48,973 --> 01:39:49,853
Speaker 2: Look at the Hadley.

2118
01:39:49,572 --> 01:39:53,412
Speaker 3: Brothers, Tracy, how are you hi?

2119
01:39:53,652 --> 01:39:55,133
Speaker 6: Good things?

2120
01:39:55,652 --> 01:39:58,452
Speaker 3: So you are what? You cheated a little bit in

2121
01:39:58,532 --> 01:39:59,532
Speaker 3: games when you were younger.

2122
01:40:00,652 --> 01:40:03,173
Speaker 27: No, my youngest one, when he's about three or four,

2123
01:40:03,253 --> 01:40:06,213
Speaker 27: got given a wiggle snakes and letters. Yeah, yep, and

2124
01:40:06,372 --> 01:40:09,133
Speaker 27: I could not beat them. I cheated like hell if

2125
01:40:09,173 --> 01:40:12,652
Speaker 27: I could not beat him for years and he used

2126
01:40:12,692 --> 01:40:16,132
Speaker 27: to say things like, I feel like one in today,

2127
01:40:16,173 --> 01:40:18,133
Speaker 27: so let's just play. We'll all Snakes and Letters. And

2128
01:40:18,173 --> 01:40:19,652
Speaker 27: I think, oh, you're in the last and I've beat

2129
01:40:19,692 --> 01:40:21,933
Speaker 27: you today. But no, you'd still beat me and I

2130
01:40:21,933 --> 01:40:22,812
Speaker 27: would cheat like hell.

2131
01:40:23,893 --> 01:40:27,972
Speaker 2: And so I haven't played Snakes and Letters for a while.

2132
01:40:28,013 --> 01:40:30,213
Speaker 2: But is there a skill element to Snakes and Letters?

2133
01:40:30,333 --> 01:40:32,053
Speaker 2: Or is it completely random?

2134
01:40:32,372 --> 01:40:32,532
Speaker 4: Oh?

2135
01:40:32,612 --> 01:40:35,652
Speaker 27: I think it was just completely red could not be

2136
01:40:36,412 --> 01:40:39,253
Speaker 27: and he just got really cocky about it. Even now

2137
01:40:39,293 --> 01:40:41,133
Speaker 27: that adults, we still laugh about it.

2138
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:46,532
Speaker 2: I love that, Tracy. Yeah, fantastic. I mean, And how

2139
01:40:46,532 --> 01:40:48,572
Speaker 2: do you cheat at snakes? Snakes and Letters? Are you

2140
01:40:49,412 --> 01:40:52,213
Speaker 2: counting the rolling the dice? And then you just sort

2141
01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:53,932
Speaker 2: of counted a little bit wrong, so you don't you

2142
01:40:53,973 --> 01:40:55,693
Speaker 2: don't arrive on a snake.

2143
01:40:56,412 --> 01:40:58,572
Speaker 27: Exactly, or you might just land on the biggest letter.

2144
01:41:00,133 --> 01:41:03,133
Speaker 3: M Yeah, bringing a loaded die. Yeah, Tracy, but there

2145
01:41:03,173 --> 01:41:04,293
Speaker 3: must have been I mean.

2146
01:41:04,412 --> 01:41:08,052
Speaker 2: Still angry at my sister. She would always cheat at Monopoly.

2147
01:41:08,372 --> 01:41:11,173
Speaker 3: How do you oh when they steal money from the bank. Yeah, yeah,

2148
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:14,533
Speaker 3: that's dirty, It's real dirty. Yes, And it's a frustrating

2149
01:41:14,572 --> 01:41:15,932
Speaker 3: game at the best of times.

2150
01:41:16,013 --> 01:41:18,492
Speaker 2: And there's some members of any given family that cannot

2151
01:41:18,492 --> 01:41:20,772
Speaker 2: be allowed to run the bank. Yeah, that monopoly, So

2152
01:41:20,812 --> 01:41:21,532
Speaker 2: where's the sibling.

2153
01:41:21,612 --> 01:41:23,532
Speaker 3: My orderbro was the same. He'd sit on the money.

2154
01:41:23,532 --> 01:41:25,532
Speaker 3: I could see. I caught him one time when he

2155
01:41:25,572 --> 01:41:27,412
Speaker 3: was sneaking a Hundie and he just put it under

2156
01:41:27,412 --> 01:41:30,333
Speaker 3: his bum and I could see it just sticking out there. Dylan,

2157
01:41:31,013 --> 01:41:33,492
Speaker 3: what are you doing. You've let yourself down. You've let

2158
01:41:33,492 --> 01:41:36,213
Speaker 3: this family down, you know. Yeah, I just can't be

2159
01:41:36,253 --> 01:41:37,213
Speaker 3: doing that to win this game.

2160
01:41:37,293 --> 01:41:39,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You like the balloon that took the

2161
01:41:39,772 --> 01:41:43,652
Speaker 2: balloon child that took the pin to school and the

2162
01:41:43,692 --> 01:41:50,333
Speaker 2: principal said, look, you've let yourself down, let the school down,

2163
01:41:51,173 --> 01:41:54,133
Speaker 2: you've let your teacher down, and worst of all, you've

2164
01:41:54,173 --> 01:41:54,852
Speaker 2: let yourself down.

2165
01:41:54,893 --> 01:41:58,533
Speaker 3: I wanted where you go with that, but very well done, mate, JOHNO,

2166
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:00,092
Speaker 3: how are you mate?

2167
01:42:00,732 --> 01:42:02,013
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2168
01:42:02,772 --> 01:42:04,293
Speaker 8: Hey, bit of the next story.

2169
01:42:06,532 --> 01:42:08,532
Speaker 20: We used to race the.

2170
01:42:08,532 --> 01:42:10,692
Speaker 29: Bikes every now and then, usually go once a weekend

2171
01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:13,892
Speaker 29: and work sort of thing. We used to practice files them.

2172
01:42:13,973 --> 01:42:17,572
Speaker 29: The first competitive race that I did, you know, I

2173
01:42:17,572 --> 01:42:20,253
Speaker 29: didn't have the flashers bike, but we do with what

2174
01:42:20,412 --> 01:42:23,732
Speaker 29: with what I had. There was a five racing, five

2175
01:42:23,812 --> 01:42:27,092
Speaker 29: races in one day, I came first, then the first

2176
01:42:27,213 --> 01:42:30,732
Speaker 29: three and then my bike you know, comped out on

2177
01:42:30,853 --> 01:42:34,012
Speaker 29: the last two and I idea if the last two

2178
01:42:34,093 --> 01:42:39,173
Speaker 29: races and that put me out of the top three

2179
01:42:39,293 --> 01:42:41,173
Speaker 29: by one. I was placed fourth at the end of

2180
01:42:41,213 --> 01:42:44,572
Speaker 29: the day, and there was hip to sop prises at

2181
01:42:44,572 --> 01:42:47,852
Speaker 29: the end of the day, and you know, the common

2182
01:42:47,893 --> 01:42:50,692
Speaker 29: sener goes, you know, whoever has on a trophy today,

2183
01:42:51,053 --> 01:42:52,852
Speaker 29: come up and grab a spot price.

2184
01:42:53,532 --> 01:42:54,372
Speaker 30: And I was.

2185
01:42:54,412 --> 01:42:56,093
Speaker 29: I was on my way up and my old man

2186
01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:57,973
Speaker 29: sort of grabbed me by the shoulder and said, no,

2187
01:42:58,772 --> 01:43:01,372
Speaker 29: you know, just just think back and you just watch,

2188
01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:04,452
Speaker 29: watch and you know, let the other kids take take

2189
01:43:04,492 --> 01:43:06,093
Speaker 29: stuff like that. And I was a bit like wow,

2190
01:43:06,333 --> 01:43:08,612
Speaker 29: you know, like wow, you know all that sort of thing.

2191
01:43:08,772 --> 01:43:11,012
Speaker 29: It didn't really make sense to me at the time.

2192
01:43:11,853 --> 01:43:14,732
Speaker 29: Why but you know, like looking back a couple of

2193
01:43:14,772 --> 01:43:16,652
Speaker 29: years and thinking about it now, he still brings it

2194
01:43:16,732 --> 01:43:18,532
Speaker 29: up and we have conversations about it and he goes,

2195
01:43:18,532 --> 01:43:20,652
Speaker 29: you know, how to make you feel And it makes

2196
01:43:20,692 --> 01:43:23,572
Speaker 29: me work harder, and it makes me appreciate the things

2197
01:43:23,732 --> 01:43:27,052
Speaker 29: more that I earn, and it makes me you know, yes,

2198
01:43:27,133 --> 01:43:28,532
Speaker 29: you know, I don't want to get I don't want

2199
01:43:28,532 --> 01:43:31,372
Speaker 29: to get handouts, But it makes me appreciate the things

2200
01:43:31,372 --> 01:43:32,812
Speaker 29: that I have to work a lot harder for.

2201
01:43:33,572 --> 01:43:35,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you had a couple of didn't did

2202
01:43:35,253 --> 01:43:36,572
Speaker 2: not finishes, did you say.

2203
01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:40,012
Speaker 29: Yeah, Yeah, the bike broke down on Yeah.

2204
01:43:39,893 --> 01:43:42,532
Speaker 2: And that's a real that's a huge lesson, isn't it

2205
01:43:42,572 --> 01:43:46,532
Speaker 2: that that also sometimes things outside of your control go

2206
01:43:46,652 --> 01:43:50,532
Speaker 2: wrong and you have to deal with that as well. Yeah.

2207
01:43:50,692 --> 01:43:52,812
Speaker 29: I guess the most hilarious part about this was a

2208
01:43:52,812 --> 01:43:55,053
Speaker 29: couple of weeks after that was oncely got the bike

2209
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:57,892
Speaker 29: up and running. I actually ended up beating him at

2210
01:43:57,893 --> 01:43:58,253
Speaker 29: the race.

2211
01:43:58,692 --> 01:43:59,932
Speaker 3: Nice and it.

2212
01:43:59,772 --> 01:44:03,452
Speaker 29: Was it was the quietest drive home I've ever heard

2213
01:44:05,293 --> 01:44:08,532
Speaker 29: after racing. I was probably about sixteen or seven, and

2214
01:44:08,933 --> 01:44:10,572
Speaker 29: there's no forty that sort of thing, and he'd been

2215
01:44:10,652 --> 01:44:12,532
Speaker 29: racing for a long time and I've only just started

2216
01:44:12,612 --> 01:44:15,812
Speaker 29: racing for a couple of years. And yeah, he does

2217
01:44:15,853 --> 01:44:18,013
Speaker 29: a very very quiet drive home after that.

2218
01:44:18,652 --> 01:44:22,692
Speaker 2: It's a weird feeling when your kids beat you, because it's,

2219
01:44:22,812 --> 01:44:26,012
Speaker 2: as we were saying before, it's a mix of pride

2220
01:44:26,812 --> 01:44:30,812
Speaker 2: and and but also there's a mortality to it as well,

2221
01:44:31,253 --> 01:44:35,293
Speaker 2: because you're you're you're on it's you're in a way

2222
01:44:35,333 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 2: on the way down. You're in the decline and they're

2223
01:44:37,412 --> 01:44:38,772
Speaker 2: on the up.

2224
01:44:39,173 --> 01:44:39,412
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2225
01:44:39,492 --> 01:44:41,692
Speaker 2: So but you know, generally speaking, the only person you

2226
01:44:41,732 --> 01:44:45,173
Speaker 2: want to beat you is your kids, right, do better

2227
01:44:45,173 --> 01:44:45,372
Speaker 2: than you.

2228
01:44:46,572 --> 01:44:49,213
Speaker 29: I didn't necessarily feel particularly good about it because he

2229
01:44:49,293 --> 01:44:51,133
Speaker 29: was the one funding all the motorbike riding and all

2230
01:44:51,173 --> 01:44:53,933
Speaker 29: that sort of thing. But hey, you know cut on

2231
01:44:53,933 --> 01:44:55,412
Speaker 29: the inside of a corner and took the wind.

2232
01:44:55,532 --> 01:44:58,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, m john O, it's on him. There's got to

2233
01:44:58,492 --> 01:45:00,892
Speaker 3: be some sort of German word for that feeling. Oh,

2234
01:45:00,933 --> 01:45:03,253
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

2235
01:45:03,133 --> 01:45:06,372
Speaker 2: Dean reckons that the loser party bags have brought up.

2236
01:45:06,412 --> 01:45:11,213
Speaker 2: Loser school bag carrying parents. So yeah, I mean you've

2237
01:45:11,213 --> 01:45:15,133
Speaker 2: got it. You can't be carrying your kid's bag to school. Yeah,

2238
01:45:15,173 --> 01:45:16,612
Speaker 2: you see it all the time. You've got the kid

2239
01:45:16,652 --> 01:45:20,372
Speaker 2: walking along and the parents carrying. I've seen I've seen

2240
01:45:20,452 --> 01:45:22,612
Speaker 2: parents walking two kids home and they've got a backpack

2241
01:45:22,692 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 2: on front and back, you know, and the kids just

2242
01:45:25,293 --> 01:45:25,892
Speaker 2: walking along.

2243
01:45:26,213 --> 01:45:29,053
Speaker 3: It just creates weak children. Yeah, their shoulders are going

2244
01:45:29,093 --> 01:45:29,972
Speaker 3: to just fall apart.

2245
01:45:30,013 --> 01:45:32,253
Speaker 2: Plus, you know, the cutest thing the kid with a

2246
01:45:32,412 --> 01:45:37,253
Speaker 2: massively huge bag just stumbling down the road. And on

2247
01:45:37,333 --> 01:45:41,133
Speaker 2: the topic of those party bags. Someone says, is it

2248
01:45:41,173 --> 01:45:44,572
Speaker 2: a goodie bag or a party bag? Because you called

2249
01:45:44,612 --> 01:45:47,372
Speaker 2: it both your knob Look, I don't care what people

2250
01:45:47,412 --> 01:45:50,333
Speaker 2: call these things that you leave parties with, loot bags,

2251
01:45:50,772 --> 01:45:53,173
Speaker 2: goodie bags, or party bags. What I was complaining about

2252
01:45:53,253 --> 01:45:55,253
Speaker 2: was the compelled speech of someone telling me that I

2253
01:45:55,293 --> 01:45:58,412
Speaker 2: had to call it a loop bag. I'm against compelled

2254
01:45:58,452 --> 01:46:01,732
Speaker 2: speech and all forms. You call that humiliating bag that

2255
01:46:01,772 --> 01:46:04,053
Speaker 2: you give kids when they leave a party, what you

2256
01:46:04,093 --> 01:46:07,253
Speaker 2: want to call it. But the point we're really trying

2257
01:46:07,293 --> 01:46:10,812
Speaker 2: to make here is that it's someone else's birthday, so

2258
01:46:10,853 --> 01:46:14,212
Speaker 2: they get the presents, not you. Charlotte disagree, Charlene disagrees.

2259
01:46:14,253 --> 01:46:16,012
Speaker 2: Party bags or a little thank you for the gift

2260
01:46:16,093 --> 01:46:19,732
Speaker 2: and for coming. Well, that's why I make them. Yeah,

2261
01:46:20,173 --> 01:46:23,732
Speaker 2: good on you. You're you're a lovely person, I'm sure. But

2262
01:46:23,973 --> 01:46:27,172
Speaker 2: sometimes it's someone else's day, It's all I'm saying. Yeah,

2263
01:46:27,333 --> 01:46:31,652
Speaker 2: sometimes it's the you know, And this TIX says, cut cake.

2264
01:46:32,133 --> 01:46:34,372
Speaker 2: Send them home with a little cake wrapped in a napkin.

2265
01:46:34,452 --> 01:46:35,053
Speaker 2: Now that's good.

2266
01:46:35,133 --> 01:46:36,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a nice thing to do.

2267
01:46:36,612 --> 01:46:38,012
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's not a goodie bag.

2268
01:46:38,173 --> 01:46:40,012
Speaker 3: That's just a nice thing to do after a party.

2269
01:46:40,013 --> 01:46:42,732
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2270
01:46:42,933 --> 01:46:45,532
Speaker 3: Do you ever let your kids win? It is eighteen

2271
01:46:45,652 --> 01:46:46,213
Speaker 3: to four?

2272
01:46:46,412 --> 01:46:49,253
Speaker 2: Oh, this is nice though this text. I always carry

2273
01:46:49,293 --> 01:46:51,973
Speaker 2: my daughter's bags. She's my little princess. Fair enough to

2274
01:46:52,093 --> 01:46:53,732
Speaker 2: It's hard to argue with that one. Yeah, fair enough,

2275
01:46:53,772 --> 01:46:57,812
Speaker 2: that's good pushback. Yeah, that's played. That's played my heart strings.

2276
01:46:57,812 --> 01:46:58,053
Speaker 17: That one.

2277
01:46:58,133 --> 01:47:00,133
Speaker 3: Hat's in the fields.

2278
01:47:00,692 --> 01:47:04,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

2279
01:47:04,093 --> 01:47:07,492
Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

2280
01:47:07,532 --> 01:47:10,812
Speaker 3: That'd be news dogs there b sixteen to four. Do

2281
01:47:10,853 --> 01:47:13,173
Speaker 3: you let your kids ever win at competition? Or do

2282
01:47:13,173 --> 01:47:14,533
Speaker 3: you think it beilds resilience?

2283
01:47:14,652 --> 01:47:17,253
Speaker 2: Hilarious topic, guys, My daughter's friend is so competitive. She

2284
01:47:17,293 --> 01:47:19,452
Speaker 2: will start a jigsaw with you hide a piece at

2285
01:47:19,492 --> 01:47:21,933
Speaker 2: the beginning, which means she always gets to put the

2286
01:47:22,013 --> 01:47:25,333
Speaker 2: last piece in to say she finished it.

2287
01:47:25,692 --> 01:47:27,372
Speaker 3: Wow, Well I like your style.

2288
01:47:27,492 --> 01:47:30,932
Speaker 2: That might be too far. Playing cricket. If our son

2289
01:47:31,133 --> 01:47:33,053
Speaker 2: was bold out he laid down on the bat and

2290
01:47:33,133 --> 01:47:35,732
Speaker 2: hugged it so tight no one could get it off him.

2291
01:47:35,973 --> 01:47:38,133
Speaker 2: We would all just walk away. No more cricket. Yeah,

2292
01:47:38,133 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the lesson to learn. You know that

2293
01:47:40,333 --> 01:47:42,133
Speaker 2: if you're going to behave like that, then people just

2294
01:47:42,173 --> 01:47:43,972
Speaker 2: won't play with you anymore. And that's an important Listen.

2295
01:47:44,013 --> 01:47:46,253
Speaker 3: You've got to be a good winner and a good loser.

2296
01:47:46,732 --> 01:47:50,452
Speaker 2: You said before, you can't buy kids popularity, but realistically,

2297
01:47:50,492 --> 01:47:54,812
Speaker 2: in today's world, that's what everybody does. Yeah, I mean

2298
01:47:54,853 --> 01:47:56,972
Speaker 2: you might be able to buy kid's popularity, but it's

2299
01:47:56,973 --> 01:48:00,692
Speaker 2: a pretty stale popularity. We're talking about, you know, a

2300
01:48:00,812 --> 01:48:03,652
Speaker 2: kid's party being so fantastic and the goodie bag that

2301
01:48:03,692 --> 01:48:06,772
Speaker 2: they take home or lootberg that they take home being

2302
01:48:06,812 --> 01:48:10,692
Speaker 2: so fantastic that the kids are popular. That's a pretty

2303
01:48:10,692 --> 01:48:11,933
Speaker 2: hollow popularity, isn't it.

2304
01:48:12,213 --> 01:48:13,973
Speaker 3: It's not a long term strategy for that kid. You've

2305
01:48:13,973 --> 01:48:15,732
Speaker 3: got to push back at that sort of stuff because

2306
01:48:15,732 --> 01:48:18,652
Speaker 3: that kids, as you said before, he's got to be

2307
01:48:18,772 --> 01:48:20,452
Speaker 3: or she's got to be popular in her own right.

2308
01:48:20,612 --> 01:48:22,492
Speaker 3: Got to figure that out. You can't rely off you

2309
01:48:22,572 --> 01:48:23,412
Speaker 3: have goodie bags.

2310
01:48:23,492 --> 01:48:25,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, do that for because you're not always going to

2311
01:48:25,213 --> 01:48:27,173
Speaker 2: be able to running around school hanging out goodie bags

2312
01:48:27,173 --> 01:48:27,932
Speaker 2: all day. For the kids.

2313
01:48:28,013 --> 01:48:30,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they're.

2314
01:48:29,772 --> 01:48:33,333
Speaker 2: Going to have to learn how to be popular themselves.

2315
01:48:33,372 --> 01:48:36,013
Speaker 2: Not that being popular is important, they just need a

2316
01:48:36,053 --> 01:48:39,412
Speaker 2: few good friends. Nicely said, Hi, guys, just look what's

2317
01:48:39,412 --> 01:48:41,732
Speaker 2: happening with the Silver Ferns netball team. Couple of players

2318
01:48:41,772 --> 01:48:44,892
Speaker 2: didn't like the regime, complained about the environment and mental

2319
01:48:44,933 --> 01:48:47,133
Speaker 2: health and bang, you have a real mess just because

2320
01:48:47,173 --> 01:48:50,053
Speaker 2: it got a little hard for them and they're representing

2321
01:48:50,133 --> 01:48:52,652
Speaker 2: us on the world stage. That is sad for us.

2322
01:48:52,732 --> 01:48:56,372
Speaker 2: Cheers from Graham.

2323
01:48:55,372 --> 01:48:57,652
Speaker 3: John, how are you you're going well?

2324
01:48:57,652 --> 01:48:58,013
Speaker 10: How you go?

2325
01:48:58,652 --> 01:49:00,892
Speaker 3: Very good? So do you always try and beat your boys?

2326
01:49:01,772 --> 01:49:04,933
Speaker 3: Beg your pardon, that's not quite right, sorry, Do you

2327
01:49:04,973 --> 01:49:06,532
Speaker 3: always try and win that? John?

2328
01:49:07,532 --> 01:49:10,293
Speaker 30: We have before, but I've gave that up a long

2329
01:49:10,333 --> 01:49:13,852
Speaker 30: time ago. But no else is more around lifting weights,

2330
01:49:13,893 --> 01:49:15,612
Speaker 30: and I've lifted them all my life, and I thought

2331
01:49:15,612 --> 01:49:18,532
Speaker 30: I've introduced them to it really at a right age,

2332
01:49:18,532 --> 01:49:21,133
Speaker 30: you know, when their bodies are forming up, sort of

2333
01:49:21,452 --> 01:49:23,932
Speaker 30: late teens, and so I introduced them to the three

2334
01:49:24,013 --> 01:49:27,333
Speaker 30: hundred club, which is the three big discipline bench press,

2335
01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:30,692
Speaker 30: squat and deadlift and if you can lift one hundred

2336
01:49:30,732 --> 01:49:32,812
Speaker 30: kilos of each one, then you're in the three hundred club.

2337
01:49:34,492 --> 01:49:34,692
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2338
01:49:34,772 --> 01:49:36,652
Speaker 30: So it's really cool, fun and we do it every

2339
01:49:36,973 --> 01:49:38,972
Speaker 30: Christmas Eve and we have done.

2340
01:49:38,853 --> 01:49:39,733
Speaker 17: For the last.

2341
01:49:41,372 --> 01:49:42,213
Speaker 30: Eleven years now.

2342
01:49:42,333 --> 01:49:42,812
Speaker 2: How cool?

2343
01:49:43,612 --> 01:49:47,133
Speaker 30: Yeah, really really cool. And of course I won for

2344
01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:50,612
Speaker 30: many of those years. And then the older one, who

2345
01:49:50,692 --> 01:49:54,333
Speaker 30: turns twenty nine today, actually he finally got me at

2346
01:49:54,333 --> 01:49:58,652
Speaker 30: twenty three. I got there, and of course you know

2347
01:49:58,772 --> 01:50:02,452
Speaker 30: that was a great celebration for sa him. And the

2348
01:50:02,532 --> 01:50:05,972
Speaker 30: young one's still still coming up. He's turning twenty one

2349
01:50:06,412 --> 01:50:10,093
Speaker 30: in November and he hasn't quite got the bench yet.

2350
01:50:10,492 --> 01:50:13,772
Speaker 30: But no, I never let them win. It was always

2351
01:50:14,492 --> 01:50:16,012
Speaker 30: you got to do it. You've got to press through,

2352
01:50:16,213 --> 01:50:18,732
Speaker 30: and if you don't, you come back next year.

2353
01:50:18,893 --> 01:50:21,253
Speaker 2: See that. What's so great about that, John, is I

2354
01:50:21,293 --> 01:50:24,492
Speaker 2: love the Christmas Eve element of it, because if you'd

2355
01:50:24,572 --> 01:50:27,492
Speaker 2: let them win, then that special tradition wouldn't have continued

2356
01:50:27,532 --> 01:50:30,812
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have any meaning. But because the way

2357
01:50:30,853 --> 01:50:33,412
Speaker 2: you've you've laid it out, you've given it meaning, more

2358
01:50:33,452 --> 01:50:36,852
Speaker 2: meaning to to Christmas Eve, and so much meaning to

2359
01:50:36,973 --> 01:50:41,573
Speaker 2: when they finally beat you that it's it's just it's

2360
01:50:41,772 --> 01:50:45,532
Speaker 2: it's really what parenting's made of. And that's just so cool.

2361
01:50:45,893 --> 01:50:47,812
Speaker 2: I love that idea, John. I wish I'd thought of that.

2362
01:50:48,853 --> 01:50:51,213
Speaker 30: It's great fun. It is, it is actually great fun.

2363
01:50:51,253 --> 01:50:53,372
Speaker 30: And I've still had a couple of years left in me,

2364
01:50:53,492 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 30: I think to still be in the club. But you

2365
01:50:56,333 --> 01:50:59,812
Speaker 30: decline as this phone goes on. But anyway, I'm sure

2366
01:50:59,812 --> 01:51:01,412
Speaker 30: the young one is going to get me this year.

2367
01:51:02,372 --> 01:51:05,172
Speaker 2: And that'll be And that's what was what's your feeling

2368
01:51:05,213 --> 01:51:08,053
Speaker 2: when when each kid finally beats you, John, what's your

2369
01:51:08,053 --> 01:51:09,293
Speaker 2: feeling in your heart?

2370
01:51:10,173 --> 01:51:10,372
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2371
01:51:10,492 --> 01:51:14,253
Speaker 30: Just pride, you know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, kind of same

2372
01:51:14,333 --> 01:51:17,612
Speaker 30: pride and and you know, just sort of hope that

2373
01:51:17,652 --> 01:51:19,933
Speaker 30: they're going to carry it on, you know, because you

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01:51:20,013 --> 01:51:22,572
Speaker 30: got to do that resistance training when you get older.

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01:51:23,173 --> 01:51:24,812
Speaker 3: Very true. Yeah, what a great thing to do.

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01:51:25,133 --> 01:51:27,293
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean it flips over and becomes great

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01:51:27,333 --> 01:51:28,412
Speaker 2: for you to keep that going.

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01:51:29,492 --> 01:51:32,372
Speaker 30: Yeah, look absolutely isn't they You know, they give me

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01:51:32,372 --> 01:51:35,812
Speaker 30: a ship about it. Come on, pops, and you know

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01:51:35,812 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 30: it's great fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love that, John, Thank you very much. Mary. You

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01:51:40,772 --> 01:51:42,213
Speaker 3: want to have a chat about snakes and letters?

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01:51:43,412 --> 01:51:43,612
Speaker 11: Oh?

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01:51:43,692 --> 01:51:47,133
Speaker 5: Yes. When I used to look after my granddaughter a lot,

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01:51:47,213 --> 01:51:51,372
Speaker 5: and of course she was the youngest with older siblings

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01:51:51,372 --> 01:51:55,652
Speaker 5: and that, and so she always wanted to win, and

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01:51:56,253 --> 01:52:00,053
Speaker 5: so she'd perform and carry on, and she'd shake the

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01:52:00,213 --> 01:52:03,652
Speaker 5: dice and all this sort of thing, and she'd get

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01:52:03,772 --> 01:52:06,173
Speaker 5: up to say ninety nine, and I said, just I

2390
01:52:06,213 --> 01:52:07,492
Speaker 5: can still catch you.

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01:52:07,293 --> 01:52:08,812
Speaker 20: You know enough, and I would.

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01:52:09,572 --> 01:52:13,412
Speaker 5: And then one day, all of a sudden, she's sort

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01:52:13,412 --> 01:52:18,732
Speaker 5: of just contemplating that, and I just picked up the mat.

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01:52:18,772 --> 01:52:21,173
Speaker 5: It was a big mat on the floor, picked up

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01:52:21,213 --> 01:52:24,093
Speaker 5: the mat, threw the dice and that and the counters

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01:52:24,213 --> 01:52:30,572
Speaker 5: all over the room, and said, when you know. She

2397
01:52:30,772 --> 01:52:35,133
Speaker 5: was so shocked, and and then I'd take it to

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01:52:35,173 --> 01:52:38,333
Speaker 5: them all and she's always I want this, I want that.

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01:52:38,612 --> 01:52:41,652
Speaker 5: And so we're walking down towards the two dollars shop

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01:52:41,732 --> 01:52:45,532
Speaker 5: and that, and and I stopped and I said, I

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01:52:45,572 --> 01:52:48,892
Speaker 5: don't want to go and all this and acted like

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01:52:49,093 --> 01:52:51,612
Speaker 5: she did with Tenter.

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01:52:51,853 --> 01:52:53,772
Speaker 2: So did she do you think? Do you think she

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01:52:53,893 --> 01:52:54,812
Speaker 2: learned something from that?

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01:52:55,133 --> 01:52:55,412
Speaker 4: Mary?

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01:52:55,452 --> 01:52:57,492
Speaker 2: Do you reckon? She? She goes, Once I've seen that,

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01:52:57,492 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 2: I don't want to behave like that anymore.

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01:52:59,853 --> 01:53:03,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good on your tastes of their own medicine.

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01:53:03,492 --> 01:53:05,293
Speaker 2: Greg, it's all about when you retire.

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01:53:06,812 --> 01:53:10,852
Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely, I said to this whole discussion as learning

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01:53:10,893 --> 01:53:13,213
Speaker 19: to when it's time to retire. I used to do

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01:53:13,333 --> 01:53:16,253
Speaker 19: running races with my boys, and when I started the

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01:53:16,293 --> 01:53:19,253
Speaker 19: sense that it was getting pretty close, I decided to

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01:53:19,293 --> 01:53:23,452
Speaker 19: retire unbeaten like some of those givaway boxes too. Just

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01:53:23,492 --> 01:53:27,333
Speaker 19: decide that the world champions, they'll retire unbeaten before they

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01:53:27,372 --> 01:53:30,213
Speaker 19: get clovered. So so now I can always say to

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01:53:30,293 --> 01:53:32,652
Speaker 19: my sons that they've never ever been in a running race,

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01:53:32,732 --> 01:53:34,852
Speaker 19: no matter how old. Again, I'll always be able to

2419
01:53:34,893 --> 01:53:36,173
Speaker 19: carry that one over on them.

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01:53:36,333 --> 01:53:40,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, money talks bought at warts. You know,

2421
01:53:40,973 --> 01:53:43,053
Speaker 2: you know, initially they'll wrestle up enough money to get

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01:53:43,093 --> 01:53:43,812
Speaker 2: you out of retirement.

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01:53:43,853 --> 01:53:45,053
Speaker 3: Greg, just one more.

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01:53:45,372 --> 01:53:48,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, you just don't let the fats get them way.

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01:53:48,492 --> 01:53:50,333
Speaker 19: Have a good story. So now I'm going to keep

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01:53:50,372 --> 01:53:53,892
Speaker 19: that mantle of world champion, and our family have running racers.

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01:53:54,053 --> 01:53:56,612
Speaker 3: I'm Greg. Good on you, Greg, thank you very much.

2428
01:53:57,173 --> 01:54:00,052
Speaker 3: A couple of texts before we got to play some messages.

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01:54:00,093 --> 01:54:02,892
Speaker 2: I'm forty seven. Can I enter as fifteen? If he

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01:54:02,933 --> 01:54:04,852
Speaker 2: can beat me in an eight hundred meter running race,

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01:54:04,893 --> 01:54:07,732
Speaker 2: I'll give him fifty bucks. He's challenged me five times

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01:54:07,732 --> 01:54:10,093
Speaker 2: from when he was thirteen, and he's lost five times.

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01:54:10,093 --> 01:54:11,892
Speaker 2: It's only amount of time till he beats me. But

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01:54:11,973 --> 01:54:14,133
Speaker 2: with fifty bucks on the line, I'll try and win

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01:54:14,213 --> 01:54:14,652
Speaker 2: every time.

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01:54:15,053 --> 01:54:18,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, great text, All right, We've got to play some messages,

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01:54:18,253 --> 01:54:21,572
Speaker 3: but we'll be back very shortly. It is eight minutes

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01:54:21,612 --> 01:54:23,892
Speaker 3: to four. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon to.

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01:54:23,812 --> 01:54:28,213
Speaker 1: You the big stories, the big issues, the big trends

2440
01:54:28,253 --> 01:54:32,013
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

2441
01:54:32,253 --> 01:54:32,772
Speaker 1: used talks.

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01:54:32,772 --> 01:54:36,772
Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon. Sure it is five two four.

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01:54:37,413 --> 01:54:40,693
Speaker 2: Such a great chat over the last three hours, particularly

2444
01:54:40,693 --> 01:54:43,493
Speaker 2: the last hour. I've really enjoyed it. But I just

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01:54:43,693 --> 01:54:46,613
Speaker 2: sum it up. I guess not letting your kids win

2446
01:54:48,413 --> 01:54:53,012
Speaker 2: it teaches them something more valuable than victory, right, which

2447
01:54:53,053 --> 01:54:58,293
Speaker 2: is probably the word is resilience, right yep. And the

2448
01:54:58,373 --> 01:55:01,333
Speaker 2: losing part of it. It teaches them disappointments, which we'll

2449
01:55:01,373 --> 01:55:04,172
Speaker 2: get that. It teaches them to learn from their mistakes,

2450
01:55:04,213 --> 01:55:08,253
Speaker 2: and it teaches them to keep trying. And it's about honest,

2451
01:55:08,533 --> 01:55:13,213
Speaker 2: it's respect. I guess it shows if it and integrity

2452
01:55:13,293 --> 01:55:17,413
Speaker 2: matter more than easy wins.

2453
01:55:17,213 --> 01:55:20,093
Speaker 3: Right yeah. And they're all fantastic lessons to learn. The

2454
01:55:20,133 --> 01:55:22,453
Speaker 3: earlier the better really for a lot of kids, right yeah,

2455
01:55:22,493 --> 01:55:24,093
Speaker 3: because that's what you're going to face in the real world.

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01:55:24,213 --> 01:55:27,293
Speaker 2: So they might have a few tantrums here and there.

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01:55:27,293 --> 01:55:30,413
Speaker 2: But in the long run, the proper competition, it prepares

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01:55:30,413 --> 01:55:33,453
Speaker 2: them better for real life and pretend success as a child,

2459
01:55:33,493 --> 01:55:34,213
Speaker 2: pretend success.

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01:55:34,253 --> 01:55:36,373
Speaker 3: It's not right. And I'm looking forward to hearing the

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01:55:36,453 --> 01:55:38,493
Speaker 3: day that you finally beat your son on those ski

2462
01:55:38,493 --> 01:55:40,733
Speaker 3: slopes again. Mate, Yeah, it's going to happen.

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01:55:41,013 --> 01:55:43,932
Speaker 2: I think I would end up how crazy he's getting

2464
01:55:43,933 --> 01:55:46,012
Speaker 2: on the slopes now, I'll end up in hospital before

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01:55:46,013 --> 01:55:46,852
Speaker 2: a beat of beginn.

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01:55:46,733 --> 01:55:48,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll put your body on the line anyway.

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01:55:48,893 --> 01:55:51,653
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this show. Loved

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01:55:51,653 --> 01:55:56,173
Speaker 2: our chats today. Heather's next, but Tyler right now, why

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01:55:56,173 --> 01:55:58,533
Speaker 2: am I playing this song from Rupert Holmes.

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01:55:58,772 --> 01:56:02,653
Speaker 3: I love the song, the Pinacolata song or Escape, such

2471
01:56:02,693 --> 01:56:04,772
Speaker 3: a beautiful love story of this song. For the reason

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01:56:04,812 --> 01:56:07,693
Speaker 3: you're playing that, I assume is because this is almost

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01:56:07,733 --> 01:56:10,772
Speaker 3: like your ideal retirement, right just sitting on the beach

2474
01:56:10,853 --> 01:56:16,453
Speaker 3: drinking pinakolada, maybe answering some some messages in a newspaper,

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01:56:16,573 --> 01:56:18,333
Speaker 3: you lovely lady close Thailand.

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01:56:18,693 --> 01:56:21,573
Speaker 2: I'm playing the song because people have this vision of

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01:56:21,613 --> 01:56:24,493
Speaker 2: their retirement where they be sitting on a beach drinking

2478
01:56:24,533 --> 01:56:28,932
Speaker 2: pina koladas. But that'll be interesting for about thirty seconds

2479
01:56:29,573 --> 01:56:32,012
Speaker 2: or thirty minutes, and then you have to do something

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01:56:32,093 --> 01:56:32,733
Speaker 2: else interesting.

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01:56:32,893 --> 01:56:35,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, nicely, nicely backed, great journe.

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01:56:35,853 --> 01:56:39,932
Speaker 2: All right till tomorrow, r VO. Whatever you're doing wherever

2483
01:56:39,933 --> 01:56:41,932
Speaker 2: you are, give them a taste of Kiwi from Tyler

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01:56:41,973 --> 01:56:44,133
Speaker 2: and I. All right, then you seem busy, Mali, you go,

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01:56:44,413 --> 01:56:47,772
Speaker 2: love you Absolute Chune from River Holmes Beautiful.

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