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Speaker 1: Auckland what about this? The government has announced it's going

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Speaker 1: to force Auckland Council to allow new developments of at

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Speaker 1: least fifteen stories high close to key Key train stations.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The new rules will apply to developments within walking distance

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Speaker 1: of Mangafo, Kingsland and Morning Side stations, while a ten

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Speaker 1: story limit will apply around Mount Albert and Baldwin av stations.

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Speaker 1: Richard Hills is an Auckland City councilor and with us now.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Richard, sure, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: Oh good? I think there are going to be some

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Speaker 1: people very upset about this. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is in line kind of with what

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Speaker 2: we've been asking for on things like the MDRS. I

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Speaker 2: think we've talked about that before that enabled threes dwelling

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Speaker 2: three stories on every single property across the city, with

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Speaker 2: us to remove that. We've also asked if we can

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Speaker 2: down zone or restrict some areas in flooding and hazard

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Speaker 2: zones for the last two years. This change will legally

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Speaker 2: allow us to do that, but on the proviso that

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Speaker 2: we increase capacity elsewhere, which we were going to do

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Speaker 2: around train Bought corridor stations anyway. But then today's has

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Speaker 2: also sort of been more specific around the fact that

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Speaker 2: the minister would like us to be doing fifteen and

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Speaker 2: ten stories around those stations that are closer to the

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Speaker 2: city and of course close to the five point five

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Speaker 2: billion elliarza worth of investment in the city railing.

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Speaker 1: What is walking distance?

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Speaker 2: Walking distance is whatever a council chooses it is. So

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Speaker 2: it's about ten minutes so at this minute, about two

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Speaker 2: k about one one k so walking distance, so it's

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Speaker 2: about eight hundred meters from those stations or twelve hundred

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Speaker 2: meters from the city center.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So is this going to hit some areas with

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Speaker 1: villas in Mount Eden, for example.

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Speaker 2: It is likely too. Under the the way the government.

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Speaker 1: I hear the way you answer that question, Richard, you

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Speaker 1: know that this is going to affect some villas and

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Speaker 1: people are going to be pissy, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was already requirements now for us.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't explain, just answer it. Don't you think people

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Speaker 1: are going to get really irritated by others.

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Speaker 2: The council needs to vote on it first and then

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Speaker 2: go out for consultation at the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Through I thought the.

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Speaker 1: Government was also you do you get the final SAT.

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Speaker 2: But they know well they will force us to do

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Speaker 2: put notify this in the plan change. So the requirements

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Speaker 2: will mean that we have to mirror what the requirements are.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I think if we kept all the special

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Speaker 2: character around those stations and it was like, well nothing

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Speaker 2: is fifteen meters in, the Minister would be scratching his head, going,

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Speaker 2: you haven't done your job here. So there will be

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Speaker 2: a conversation to have with those communities that yes, you

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Speaker 2: are living right next to a station. It's important that

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Speaker 2: more people have access to it, but there will be

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Speaker 2: some you know, heritage homes and different things protected.

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Speaker 1: Now do we have how many? I mean we must

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Speaker 1: have some buildings in mounted and that a fifteen stories

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Speaker 1: high or no?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Of course it's not because have you've seen how high

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Speaker 1: a fifteen story building is? Rich it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about fifty meters m.

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Speaker 1: That's going to dwarf everything. Will it be even as high?

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Speaker 1: Is it as high as Mount Eden?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I don't actually know. The direct.

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Speaker 1: Gives us to another problem because I thought everybody's supposed

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Speaker 1: to have an eyeline to Mount Eden, So are we

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Speaker 1: going to block people's view of Mount Eden?

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Speaker 2: So there'll be some areas that are not in the

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Speaker 2: view shafts. There are another issues around the view shafts

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Speaker 2: that may not be in this plan change. We will

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Speaker 2: look to it. But the timing, you know, the minister's

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Speaker 2: requirements to have this done by election day October tenth

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Speaker 2: is will make it difficult to do that. But they

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Speaker 2: have discussed with the next iteration of the RMA changes

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Speaker 2: in two years time that we will have to relook

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Speaker 2: at all the view shafts to see if they are

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Speaker 2: you know, holding back housing and economic growth, and if

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Speaker 2: they are still relevant, if there's things blocking them, So

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Speaker 2: that all needs to be considered. But we do as

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Speaker 2: much as we can around those view shafts anyway to

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Speaker 2: comply with the requirements of the government.

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Speaker 1: All right, now tell me your person a view. Do

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Speaker 1: you love this or hate this?

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that a lot of people say

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Speaker 2: to me, why the heck are we building out? And

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Speaker 2: god knows where and why are we building on this

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Speaker 2: back of this property significant amounts of density where there's

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Speaker 2: no infrastructure, So it makes sense, like any of the city,

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Speaker 2: major city in the world, to build around, you know,

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Speaker 2: people talk about Melbourne and Sydney and all the sorts

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Speaker 2: of things that there does need to be some balance around.

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Speaker 2: When we've got really expensive infrastructure, we're all investing in

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Speaker 2: our taxes and rates too, that may not have good

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Speaker 2: ridership or good access to because no one can build

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Speaker 2: around it. So it makes sense to have some areas

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Speaker 2: that are really good heritage, special character, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: but also some areas that need to have the focus

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Speaker 2: around housing and jobs and walkable access to those stations.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise it makes it difficult to know why we invested

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Speaker 2: in it in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Richard, thank you, appreciate your time, as always, look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's Richardhill's Auckland counselor.

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