1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Eighteen away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: International Realty Exceptional marketing for every. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Property on the Huddle of this this evening. Mike Mnroe, 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: former advisor to Jacinda and nic Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand Highlands. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: Hello, good, all right. 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: Nick, do you want to have a guess at why 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: they tried to keep it secret? 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: I think you've just touched on it, haven't you? Look 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 3: to me, this is perfectly defendable, particularly if you went 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 3: and said if you'd disclosed it and then you'd said 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: this is what the million dollars is going towards. The 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: issue here is that it's water care is now on 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: the back foot, as you've correctly demonstrated, and it feels 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: like something's being hidden and actually improving the health quality 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: of the Waycatta River in the part that's most polluted 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: is not a bad thing, and it's something that I 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: think most people in New Zealand would think was a 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: good idea. 19 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: This is not defendable because why don't we just call 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: it out for what is right. We do not pay 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: to access water in this country, and this gets around 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: that by dressing it up as some sort of like 23 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: appointing Kitesiyaki and doing all this research just paying to 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: get water out. 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 3: But if it was if you could, if you could 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: demonstrate from the get go that there were tangible projects 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: coming from this million dollars that were improving the health 28 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 3: of the river, I don't think people would have a problem. 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: But there's no opportunity to explain that now because it 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: looks like it's been covered. 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: Up very much. So I mean, Mike, how do they 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: rescue themselves from this? 33 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they've got themselves into a real pickle. And 34 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: I agree with Nick that, you know, they should have 35 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: just come out there at the outset and see what 36 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 4: was going on. I mean, he mentioned a figure four 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty five thousand people on their database or whatever. 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: To me, that's about two dollars twenty a year per household. 39 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but and then adding then added to it the 40 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: forty million were already paying, And then before you know it, 41 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: it starts becoming a lot more than just a couple 42 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: of bucks. 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: Than that that number for the cleanup, the forty million 44 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: dollars that's already out there. They put that number out 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 4: there when the deal was made. This fun for some 46 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: inexplicable reason they decided to sit on it. And when 47 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: you do a cover up like this, it always comes 48 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 4: around and bites you in the bum at some point, 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 4: and it did this afternoon when you just did your 50 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: blistering interrogation there either of poor Dave. So yeah, secrecy 51 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 4: always backfires. 52 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll take it. Don't side with Dave. 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: Now listen, both of you guys are WELLINGTONI and so 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: I want you to. I want your take on the 55 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: bike crack and Wellington very short. We will come back 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: and do that. 57 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, unparalleled reach 58 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: and results. 59 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: Okay, we've got Mike monro Nick legged on the huddle. Mike, 60 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: what do you spend? What do you make of this 61 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: spend on the bike crack on the Terrace. 62 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: I saw that article and I just thought it was 63 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: more hysteria from the anti bike lotty myself. I mean, look, 64 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: if we're going to incentivize people to get out of 65 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 4: cars and to get on their bikes and use other 66 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: means of getting into the city, there's got to be 67 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 4: the infrastructure for it. 68 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: Mike and a. 69 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 4: Half a million dollars for a bike rack. It's not 70 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: a big deal when you put it alongside the millions 71 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: that get spent every year on roadways and curves and 72 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 4: everything else. 73 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: Mike, are you listening to yourself? That is the cost 74 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: of building a house. 75 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, but this thing's going to accommodate a rather large 76 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: number of bikes. And as a person who uses a 77 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: bike in that part of the city, it's severely lacking. 78 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: Why can't you just chain your bike up against a 79 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: pole like I do? 80 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: Well, up till now, I've been doing that, but now 81 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: I can use this flash bike. 82 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: Hold on a take though. So, Mike, were you telling 83 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: me you were riding your bike anyway without the bike rack, 84 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: but now this is going to make you ride your 85 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: bike because you've got a bike rap? 86 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: No, No, no, there is there are There is infrastructure up 87 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: there now to park bikes, but it's very limited. In fact, 88 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: I saw the councilor Calvert who's quoted in this article 89 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 4: today saying that no one ever uses the rack outside 90 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: the council and that's not true. That's direct misinformation. Blazed 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: this information. I've used it twice about the last three weeks, 92 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: and there's always bikes there. But The thing is there's 93 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: a lack of infrastructure out there, and a lot of 94 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: people work in that part of the city and take 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: their bikes in and like you say, they've got to 96 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: strap them two power poles or whatever, and that upsets 97 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: some of the passes by. So having a bike back 98 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: to me makes emminent sense. And it's a good signal 99 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: that bikeers cycled, they are going to be looked after. 100 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: NAC next, save me from Mike right now. 101 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: Please, Yeah, I mean the answer the MIC's right in 102 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: the sense that we do need we do need afrastructure 103 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: for a whole lot of ways of moving around. But 104 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: it isn't bikes versus cars, mics. It's a bit more 105 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: of everything else. But I think the real bit of 106 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: everything should I say that The real issue here though, 107 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 3: is value for money, isn't it. People are being stun 108 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: by twenty percent plus rate increases and it's easy And Mike, 109 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: you're a media man of all of us, you know 110 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: you would know it's when things stick out and people 111 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: are struggling to pay heavy rates bills that these kind 112 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: of issues have a teacher drawn to them. So yeah, 113 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: and and that and that's I think the real the 114 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: real message here is you know, there's there is a 115 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: challenge around local government demonstrating value for money. I think 116 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 3: we're right to look at local government and central government 117 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: for that. And people will be scrutinizing the spending, but 118 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: that the answer to there is not to say spend 119 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 3: nothing on bikes and cycle lanes, but actually we've got 120 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: to invest in every mode of transport. Let's not get 121 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: bought into this. 122 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: Partisans, stop catastrophones, and that's not what's going on here. 123 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: What's going on here we're. 124 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: Having referring to respond. 125 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 2: Actually, thank you because because there is a there is 126 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: a middle path here, Mike that normal kiwis can see, right, Like, 127 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: I mean I cycle, I cycle all the time, but 128 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: I think you can actually do head sticks and you 129 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: can and there's your cycle way done. You don't have 130 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: to spend millions dollars. 131 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: Points you've just made the point. 132 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you can build it buy. 133 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 3: People use different ways of getting around and we should, Yes, 134 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: we should prioritize all of them. 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: It is, Mike about the it's about going for the 136 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: gold standard. And this is the problem. Like a lot 137 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: of people are can be really upset about this. They've 138 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: been priced out of their houses and then they see 139 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: tories just gone and by it brought a bike thing 140 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: for five hundred thousand. It's indefensible even hither. 141 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: I don't know what you think is an appropriate amount 142 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: for a bike rack so that people can get their 143 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: bikes safe in the city. I mean, there's it's four 144 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: hundred thousand, hundred thousand. 145 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: You can reduce that by multiples. 146 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, true, maybe you can. But but you know, I 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: don't know the sort ins and outs of budgeting for 148 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 4: bike racks, so I don't. 149 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: I just can I just make another Can I make 150 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: another point here? I think the five hundred thousand was 151 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: for the whole lame way. Yeah, the bike crack itself 152 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: was about one hundred and thirty. Such are just trying 153 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: to Yeah. 154 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, just about context. I mean it was all done 155 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: for the bike crack, obviously, but it all added up. Hey, listen, 156 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: tell me Somethingnck. What do you think of Reagan? 157 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: Right? 158 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: She is milking her fame and you can either take 159 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: the approach of loving it like I am, or you 160 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: could go without Ossie correspondent who hates her for it. 161 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: Where are you on this? 162 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: I'd probably lead more to you on this. Heather I 163 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: mean like she's got a hell of a lot of attention, 164 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: she's got a brand, she's an athlete, and she didn't 165 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: she didn't do particularly well, but she can, she can 166 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: get ahead on on on the notoriety. All power to her. 167 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 4: What do you think, Mike, Well, look, I think Hither 168 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: that if she was so bad, if it was such 169 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: a bizarre performance, what was she doing there? And what 170 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: does that say about the qualifying processes in Australia. Yeah, 171 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 4: I mean, shouldn't the question be asked about the Australian 172 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: selection process and the people who ticked off her name 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: to be a competitor at the Games. I mean, she 174 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: would over there and did her best, but somebody in Australia, 175 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: or a lot of somebody's decided she was good enough 176 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: to be there. Other ones. Since you've been the gun 177 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: not dear on, Raygun. 178 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, ray Gun, I love what you've done there. Hey, guys, 179 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: thank you so much, appreciate it. 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