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Speaker 1: So what's the difference between two million and one point

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Speaker 1: six million? Does Chris Bishop fixes Auckland housing carnage by

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Speaker 1: backing off? Does anyone actually know what it means in

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Speaker 1: their street, in their neighborhood or is this just all noise?

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Speaker 1: Homos Firth is an urban planning specialist, director at the

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Speaker 1: Mount Hobson Group in Theswell. This Hamish morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning mite.

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Speaker 1: Were you freaked out by two million?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was, and I know that it was a

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Speaker 2: theoretical target, but it effectively gave one hundred plus years supply.

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Speaker 2: And we've never planned one hundred years in our lives

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: No we haven't. But isn't that fantastic that we're big picture?

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Speaker 1: You could argue, and we were trying to plan for

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Speaker 1: the future, which is what we all want apparently, and

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Speaker 1: yet it's all gone wrong now.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with that statement, Night, and the reason is

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Speaker 2: is we had an Auckland Unitary Plan which planned for

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Speaker 2: forty years of growth. It was working very well. It

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Speaker 2: had increased supply, It had provided for first home buyers

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Speaker 2: where you'll see now that they're buying everywhere. They've got

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Speaker 2: the ability to buy because housing and effect has been commoditized.

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Speaker 2: What we've got to be very careful when you suddenly

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Speaker 2: throw two million out there is you create paper capacity,

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Speaker 2: but you're going to create community backlash, You're going to

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Speaker 2: create land value distortion, and you're probably not going to

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Speaker 2: create any extra homes, especially against the backdrop of what

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Speaker 2: was a very well written orplan Unitary Plan.

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Speaker 1: You I disagree on the Unitary Plan, but let's go

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Speaker 1: back to that first point you made, which is excellent,

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Speaker 1: and that is you're creating fear from something that people

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Speaker 1: don't get. Why couldn't somebody like Chris Bishop, you reckonnot

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Speaker 1: see that because it was inevitable, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think it was. But I think to credit to

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop. I think what he wants to do and

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Speaker 2: what we all want as New Zealanders, and he said

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Speaker 2: it in his speech yesterday. We want to provide rules

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Speaker 2: for people over their heads, and zoning has been a

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Speaker 2: tremendous constraint Before the Unitary Plan, it was difficult to

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Speaker 2: build smaller houses, you know, one bedrooms, two bedrooms. All

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Speaker 2: you ended up was large houses on small sites. So

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Speaker 2: I think credit must go to him and that he

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Speaker 2: wanted to end this loop of endless price rises and

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Speaker 2: houses that you save your deposit one year and it

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Speaker 2: goes up by ten percent and suddenly the house is

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Speaker 2: out are reached. So it was providing that capacity, providing

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Speaker 2: that diluting land values by making everything the same, I

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Speaker 2: think has merit. I just think it was probably done

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Speaker 2: the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was having said that have we sold anything

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Speaker 1: by going to one point six and Wanes not happy

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Speaker 1: and Central's not happy, and I don't know we've got

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Speaker 1: there where have we?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't deliver capacity. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Targets don't build houses. Infrastructure and feasibility do. And what

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Speaker 2: you'll find right now is a lot of high rise

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Speaker 2: buildings that are very expensive to build and they only

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Speaker 2: get built, as you're starting to see in very high

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Speaker 2: end areas where the developer can achieve a very high

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Speaker 2: end outcome. So just because you can build to fifty

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean many of these sites will or may. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's some thought has to go into that.

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Speaker 2: I like your style.

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Speaker 1: We should get him back on more often. He's excellent.

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Speaker 1: Hamish Firth, director at the Mount Hobson Groove and the

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Speaker 1: Earning Planning specialist, and again I apologize to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the country who's not an Auckland going who cares

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