1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Barri Soper, Senior Political correspondence with that's hallo Barry, A 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: good afternoon. He yes, you've been turning into Jim Bolger's funeral. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Yes I have. 4 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 3: I would have liked to have been there, but you know, 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 3: the chaos around the country at the moment. It was 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: interesting that initially it was going to be at the 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 3: Waiknai Catholic Church, which is the church that he's gone 8 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: to for a number of years, but they moved it 9 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: to part of Pahomu because in fact that's a bigger church. 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 3: So the church was full. It takes about five hundred 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: people and a couple hundred were outside. A lot of 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: people they were prevented from going because the Wellington Airport 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 3: was closed. So and much was made of him during 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: the eulogies about him leaving school in the fourth form 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: at fifteen, which was pretty extraordinary when you consider he 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: went and worked on the farm and became prime minister. 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: The Prime Minister Chris Luxeon, he led off the tributes 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: to Jim Bolger, saying what many have about his legacy, 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 3: and he was followed by the man who served as 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: his deputy, Don McKinnon. Here they are. 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 4: He liked to talk. He liked to dram or two 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 4: and he was true to his values. But it's his 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: leadership as Prime Minister that created Jim's enduring political legacy. 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: Jim himself was a reformer and he said it was 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: his Irish heritage that helped him understand Maori grievance over 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 4: treaty breaches. It was groundbreaking work and it was not 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: always easy. Politics really is. First came the settlement with Tainui. Then, 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six, an election year, with public pushback 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: against the treaty process, Nahoo Settlement pending with polling tight, 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 4: national began to waver, but Jim held firm. He knew 31 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: the settlements were the right thing to do and New 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: Zealand is a better place for it and for Jim's 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 4: moral certainty. And every government since has walked on the 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: footprints of Jim and Sir Doug Graham and the team 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: left behind. 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: Jim would love this turnout. My thanks to the bulge 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: of family, all of them, five rows of them. I 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: think to see them all here today, And thank you 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: Joan for inviting me to say a few words. It 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: was to be on behalf of caucus colleagues well over 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: the time, there were about one hundred caucus colleagues, so 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: I can guarantee you there are a hundred different views 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: of Jim Boulger. Luckily you'll get one view today. Others 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 2: will have no right of reply. 45 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: And that's true. Domiquinhan was right, of course. The Caucus 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: in the end in nineteen ninety seven moved against Jim Boulger, 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: who was replaced, of course by Jenny Shipley, who became 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 3: the first female Prime minister in New Zealand. Joan Bulger 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: was in many ways at Jim's strength, and that was 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 3: a parent in the accolade paid to buy his daughter, Bernadette, 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: the fifth of his nine children. 52 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 5: Came from a loving family, and he created a loving family. 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 5: It was his greatest achievement. Admittedly, I would say that 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 5: we've heard a lot about Dad's impressive in full life today. 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 5: It's humbling and we're so proud of him. But none 56 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 5: of it would have been possible without Mum. One day 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 5: last week, Mum had just got home after spending twelve 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 5: hours at the hospital with Dad. Her phone rang. It 59 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 5: was Dad asking if she wanted to go back in 60 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 5: because he missed her. It was a phenomenal partnership to 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 5: the very end. 62 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: Incredible, wasn't it. And you know Joan Bolgel's course on 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: the front row today and she would have been proud 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: of the way, I think, Well, the things that were 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: said about her husband. 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: I would imagine. So listen at Parliament. How much of 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: a stuff up was this from Madama Davidson. 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Well significant actually because it was a bill and if 69 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: you've got a bill that was coming up for a 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: second reading, if you've got a bill, you've got to 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: be there at the beginning when it's called. Well she wasn't, 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: She said, she missed it by twenty second. Well twenty seconds. 73 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: Well it may be the case, but you've got to 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: be there. 75 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: That that's true because from the moment that it was called, 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: to one of the NAT MP's pointing out she wasn't there. 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: To the speaker then considering what to do about it, 78 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: way more than twenty seconds had leapsed. 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: She says twenty second. But you know the point is 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: that if you've got a bill going through Parliament as 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: this one was, and it was the bill was about 82 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: repairs to equipment rights to repair the rights to repair equipment. Well, 83 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: it was supported by the Maldi party. It was supported 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: by the Labor Party and it was supported by New 85 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: Zealand First, so it had the numbers. Although it select committee, 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: they recommended that it go no further and the government's 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: got the majority it select committee. But if those votes 88 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: were held, as chances are, it could have got through. 89 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: She's lost it now, so all that work has gone down. 90 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: The gurgle that was so embarrassing it was drawn from 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: the Biscuit Tin was it was a lot. Oh, how embarrassing, shame. Okay, 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: what's going on with the nudity speaking. 93 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: About the Biscuit tin. Yeah, Well it was Laura mc McClure, 94 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: who's an act MP, and she is welcoming the draw 95 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: that would criminalize non consensual sexually explicit deep fakes from 96 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: and that came out of the Biscuit Tin so that 97 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: will now be read in Parliament. She says that she's 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: heard from many victims over the years and their lives 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: have been derailed by these deep fake Her images being 100 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: put out on the internet must be terrible. This was 101 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: Laura McClure talking in the house about it in parliament 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: last night. 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 6: Parents, wake up, you guys need to get online yourselves 104 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: or check what your children are viewing online. You know, 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 6: there is a lot of advocacy groups out there doing 106 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 6: a lot of work. They're calling for regulation and there 107 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 6: may be a case for that, but parents need to 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 6: take some responsibility. It is not that hard to find 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 6: out what your kids are doing online. There are apps 110 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 6: available right now, free apps where you can monitor your 111 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 6: child's online activity because I can tell you right now 112 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 6: the things that they are seeing online are extremely damaging 113 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 6: and harmful. 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: Didn't know about those apps? 115 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: Oh, Barry, come on, everybody knows about the good or 116 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Laura calling out parents who are being sloppy here. 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