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Speaker 1: shocking self source over. It is Wednesday, the twenty sixth

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Speaker 1: of June.

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Speaker 2: Welcome all year.

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Speaker 1: Bespokey Dokies to the Daily Bespoke Matt and Jerry podcast.

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Speaker 2: So good to be here. Can I get a bit

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Speaker 2: more of my cans, Meshy? Can it just a bit

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Speaker 2: more of my cans? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What number are you? Your number? Four?

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Speaker 2: So if I turned that up? Is that? Oh that's

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Speaker 2: so much better? Thank you, Mashy.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, before we were on a toilet with a female

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Speaker 1: and before so we were sitting on the can, remember

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Speaker 1: the Jeremy So we were on the can and then

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Speaker 1: she had cans on and then and there was also

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Speaker 1: there was three puns happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well firstly, what was the third? No, that's not

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Speaker 2: it's just before we start today. Yeah, let's just we've

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Speaker 2: got a clean slate. Yeah, all right, we've got these

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Speaker 2: headphones on again. I remember last time I was wearing

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Speaker 2: these bloody headphone things with the microphone sticking out the

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Speaker 2: side of them. There were some problems some stuff about

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Speaker 2: that we were discussing about LHV, et cetera. That I

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Speaker 2: don't want to go down that road. It's currently with

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Speaker 2: the exec We had the problems yesterday where we tried

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Speaker 2: to clean things up and then we ended up immediately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well I've known that for the longest time, you are

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Speaker 2: the problem on the show. Mat You're the reason that

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Speaker 2: the show goes down, says, I've known this for long.

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Speaker 1: I've actually taken the lane. It's funny you should bring this.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to another pod that's completely focused on

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Speaker 1: how filthy our show's getting and trying to be better,

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Speaker 1: because we've done four of those in a row. I believe,

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Speaker 1: just the filthiness and trying to get better because you know,

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Speaker 1: we're recusting Live from the Empire Teven as you said

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Speaker 1: before when we're at the Lula and things went off

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Speaker 1: piece because we were at a bar and we had

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Speaker 1: head gears on. But I've got this communicate from Karen

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Speaker 1: reied Ice. Socket's read excell at Captain. He goes absolute

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Speaker 1: smart coming through on the podcast lately.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's hard to argue with that,

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Speaker 1: And I responded, haha, yeah, it happens when we get tired.

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Speaker 1: And then he said and I said, look, no, but

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Speaker 1: filth And I said, Jerry is always trying to clean

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Speaker 1: He actually has all the horrific stories, all the casual

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Speaker 1: focus you guys have become. And I said, no people,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people want more Hawk that's more of

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Speaker 2: I agree with them, they want more the hooked.

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Speaker 1: Poor girl, you go spit on that thing.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen me?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the update on the Hooked Tour girl?

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Speaker 3: So she's been she has found out that she was

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Speaker 1: You got to spit.

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Speaker 1: There was an update that she had been fired, but

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Speaker 1: don't know why. Why couldn't look poor girl.

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Speaker 2: Teach kids just because of her consent? So that like,

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Speaker 1: It was like one of those wonders wounders on a

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Speaker 1: drunk people on the street and they interview them. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 1: you're an absolute leech on society if you do that.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Did they sign did she sign

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Speaker 1: I don't think those guys will put it up have

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Speaker 1: My understanding is when I look into it, that she's

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Speaker 2: It's pretty quick she's turned that merch around. Yeah, pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess you can just turn the merch

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Speaker 1: around and then it gets made anyway. I know, it's

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Speaker 1: if she is. There's a lot of lot of rumors

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think we do. There's a whole podcast

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Speaker 2: we were doing some great work, yeah, for charity. I thought,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're raising awareness for Bell Cancer New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: We did our day and Low broadcast an entire Mat

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Speaker 2: and Jerry show from toilets.

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Speaker 1: Already raised over one hundred thousand dollars for cancer. You

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Speaker 1: can text three seven seven nine takes lou to three

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Speaker 1: seven seven nine and you'll instantly donate three dollars to

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Speaker 1: Bell Cancer New Zealand and helping people. And it's it's

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Speaker 1: a serious issue in this country.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say as well?

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Speaker 3: Also, if you're one of those people that like myself,

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Speaker 3: and if you could just do us a favorite and

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Speaker 3: I really starts spamming that bitch today, that's a good

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Speaker 3: point because I know for a fine fact that my

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Speaker 2: Holy moly.

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Speaker 1: And then and if your boss comes at you for

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Speaker 1: donating to bell cancer. I'd say, come on, Scrooge McDuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So Jerry, are you just doing it now?

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Speaker 2: I've just texted lock to three seven seven nine.

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Speaker 2: Back to you. Thanks for supporting. Yeah, so good. It's

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Speaker 2: because it auto corrected it to lock. Yeah. I didn't

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Speaker 1: I mean we were actually also in part of the

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Speaker 2: So it kind of makes sense, doesn't it. And I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what. You know what, MESHI, You're totally right.

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Speaker 2: It's something that you can do and it will make

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Speaker 2: seven seven nine and it came back with a little message,

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Speaker 2: thanks for supporting Radio Hurdicky day in league you absolute

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Speaker 2: lygend know the symptoms at balcancer inz dot org dot

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Speaker 2: in zen and listen to Hedechi on June twenty six

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Speaker 2: for twelve hours of funny from the Duney. So that

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Speaker 2: made me feel quite nice. I just text that I

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Speaker 2: knew that I'd done something good for the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then I mean it came back and said something

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Speaker 1: Do you know what you could do that's even better?

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Speaker 1: Taxt look again to three seven seven nine. Then you

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Speaker 1: need another little dopamine head of being a good person. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's doing It's done it again.

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Speaker 2: I've texted look again, look again? See what nothing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: More money to Bell Cancer. Basically were CEO. I'm just

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Speaker 2: to three double seven nine. Yeah, heaven, there's an automatic man.

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Speaker 1: Three dollars, so you can donate anything at all to

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Speaker 1: three seven seven nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you can write anything on three. I'm gonna try hook,

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Speaker 2: don't lie the tone. No, I'm just going to try

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Speaker 2: it to see if bloody work. I'm not lying the tone.

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Speaker 2: I'm donating to bloody Bell cancer. Mate.

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Speaker 3: And then if I seend spin on that thing tonight

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've just said hook said hook, you've got to

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Speaker 2: Did it work?

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Speaker 1: Have I donated money the bounce back.

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Speaker 2: Situation before? You don't have the funds?

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Speaker 1: No, thanks for supporting Radioche Day and your legends know

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Speaker 2: So just basically text anything to three seven seven nine

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Speaker 2: and actually, if you want to, if you want to

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of getting something off your chest, meshy, you could

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Speaker 1: post a picture of your downstairs, like, send them a

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Speaker 1: pick of your downstairs and see if they're donates three dollars.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if I send them a perk of my

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Speaker 2: Let me let me yeah, find out I've got alighting you.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I've got a couple just in the

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Speaker 2: Do you want body as well? Do you think? Don't

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Speaker 2: put your face in it? What I've learned, that's what

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Speaker 2: I've learned from mistakes.

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Speaker 1: But I mean New Zealand dot or dot in it

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Speaker 1: aren't going to pawn shame you are they?

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Speaker 3: No? But I see where Jerry is coming from. Obviously

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Speaker 3: some personal issues relationship at home there, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: I don't push your face in it whatever you do. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: not not if you're on TV, not if you're running.

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Speaker 2: Sports people that have made the mistake, haven't they.

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Speaker 3: They've gone kind of testical first. Yeah, it does mean

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Speaker 1: then you used to see yourself peering around the side

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Speaker 2: It's a career and.

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Speaker 1: a nation check people and as a result, it costs

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Speaker 1: US four hundred thousand dollars so far for Die's treatment.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like it's as an interesting thing,

441
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Speaker 2: isn't it?

442
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Speaker 1: Like why are we if you think philosophically about medicine,

443
00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,600
Speaker 1: we've got it around the wrong way. We go to

444
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Speaker 1: the doctor to cure ourselves of diseases after they already exist,

445
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Speaker 1: whereas I believe we should be in partnership with our

446
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Speaker 1: health providers and ourselves and trying to make healthy decisions

447
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 1: and try and work with them to make healthy decisions

448
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 1: for ourselves so we get things in advance and where

449
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,120
Speaker 1: we're trying to optimize ourselves as we go through life.

450
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Speaker 1: That that that's that's my belief. And when I say

451
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,399
Speaker 1: it's my belief, it's just this mouth that's talking randomly.

452
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,360
Speaker 1: It's absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm sitting back

453
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 1: behind us. It's just talking talking.

454
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Speaker 3: And what you said this morning on the show was

455
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Speaker 3: a similar vibe of like the idea that going to

456
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Speaker 3: the doctor or going to the dentists or doing anything,

457
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Speaker 3: whether it bealcans are related or not, is if there's

458
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Speaker 3: nothing wrong, that does not make it an unsuccessful trip

459
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Speaker 3: to the doctors or actually a dentist or to whatever

460
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Speaker 3: you're doing. That's best case scenario, and then you move

461
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Speaker 3: on with your life and you feel better about it.

462
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's like a service, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: like you take your car and to get a service, right,

464
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Speaker 1: and you take it to John Andrew Ford and they'll sticky,

465
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Speaker 1: they'll make it, they'll charge you a lot if you

466
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Speaker 1: go to John Andrew.

467
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Speaker 2: Don't find something wrong with it. But GPS are not

468
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Speaker 2: like John Edisord, so when you go in for service,

469
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Speaker 2: they'll try and do your ties again, even though they

470
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Speaker 2: will find something.

471
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Speaker 3: No.

472
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Speaker 2: Doctors are not like that. Doctors will actually look at

473
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Speaker 2: So it's a bad example.

474
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Speaker 1: But like the idea that you would take what you

475
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: actually need to look at your health is that you

476
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Speaker 1: go for a service every year to make sure everything's

477
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Speaker 1: running sweet, and you don't take your car and to

478
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Speaker 1: get a service and the person says, actually everything's fine,

479
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Speaker 1: and you feel embarrassed. You take your current service over.

480
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Speaker 2: It's fine. You go freaking sweet? Should you? Yeah? But

481
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: our problem is that well generally people do that, but

482
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 2: men start doing it in their eighties and we might

483
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Speaker 2: as start doing that, he goes to the GP and

484
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Speaker 2: he gives them like a yearly check up. Right, Yeah,

485
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Speaker 2: we don't do that wing as we're like, ah, the

486
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Speaker 2: car is driving fine, We're not going to do an

487
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Speaker 2: oil change or anything. But what I want to know

488
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Speaker 2: is there are some countries around the world, like South Korea, Yeah,

489
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Speaker 2: where they have this thirty forty fifty sixty thing. So

490
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Speaker 2: you go in at thirty, you get a basic checkup. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 2: they tell you how everything's going. Then you go on

492
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Speaker 2: again at forty so every ten years they have a

493
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Speaker 2: state sponsored checkup that you do and their idea is

494
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Speaker 2: prevention before now, it's weird to me that in some

495
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Speaker 2: parts of New Zealand, some parts of our society, we

496
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Speaker 2: have that prevention idea around the ACC. Actually, yeah, the

497
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: ACC is a whole lot of advertising that they spend

498
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Speaker 2: every year talking about prevention. Don't do this, don't do

499
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Speaker 2: this otherwise this will lead to this. Don't swim in

500
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Speaker 2: your jeans, don't swim in yours. Yet, for some reason,

501
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: when it comes to health, follow don't get drink and

502
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Speaker 2: swing your kid around around? Who are we following? Yeah,

503
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Speaker 2: Like what countries do? Wouldn't we not look around we're

504
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 2: a little country. We're quite we're quite sort of edgile.

505
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Speaker 2: Why would we not look around and go, okay, who's

506
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Speaker 2: got this? Really? Who's got this nailed down? South Korea?

507
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Speaker 2: Is it? Is it a race thing?

508
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Speaker 1: I think what it is is, well, that's interesting in

509
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Speaker 1: South Korea because I saw this documentary on plastic surgery

510
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Speaker 1: in South Korea, and there's more plastic surgery done in

511
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Speaker 1: South Korea than anywhere else in the world. But it's

512
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Speaker 1: done for totally different reasons than it's done in Western societies,

513
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Speaker 1: where they do like they talk to all the girls,

514
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Speaker 1: why did you get plastic surgery done? And it was like,

515
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Speaker 1: so they fit into societ, so that they're not outside

516
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Speaker 1: on society. They can contribute more to their society and

517
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Speaker 1: their family by looking more like each other, and so

518
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Speaker 1: that their parents can be proud of them, and their

519
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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters can be proud of them.

520
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Speaker 2: It's this really different approach.

521
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Speaker 1: So they have sort of almost a complete They are

522
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Speaker 1: a part of society where we have a very individualistic

523
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Speaker 1: society where we're we're about ourselves, whereas they're so far

524
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Speaker 1: down that you do what you do for your community,

525
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Speaker 1: and so that that's probably why their house services like that.

526
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Speaker 1: It's like the health across all of society needs to

527
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Speaker 1: be good for the country to work best as if

528
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Speaker 1: our health is good across the entire society, whereas we're

529
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Speaker 1: like do it for yourself kind of thing. And when

530
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Speaker 1: you say do it for yourself, and you know, they've

531
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Speaker 1: had these studies and they found that in countries like

532
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Speaker 1: New Zealand, we're much more likely to take medicine for

533
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: our dogs, give medicine to our dogs, and take our

534
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Speaker 1: dogs to the vet than we are to take medicine

535
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Speaker 1: ourselves or take us else to the vet, you know,

536
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: because we're kind of like, because you're individualistic, You're like, well,

537
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: fuck it, it's just me, and so I choose today

538
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Speaker 1: not to go. I choose to sit around and do

539
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: fuck all today. I choose not to go. You're not thinking,

540
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: how can my health affect be beneficial for everyone around me?

541
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Speaker 1: If I keep myself running at a high level, then

542
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Speaker 1: I can provide for my family and I can protect

543
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Speaker 1: my family, I can help with my community, I can

544
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Speaker 1: I can be a functioning member of society in a

545
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Speaker 1: very positive way.

546
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Speaker 2: We don't really look at that.

547
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Speaker 1: We look at it like, oh fuck it, it's just

548
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Speaker 1: for me, you know what I'm saying, It's.

549
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Speaker 2: Not really our style.

550
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Speaker 3: And is it is it ary to go, you know what,

551
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Speaker 3: let's have a look at I don't know, for example,

552
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Speaker 3: health or or whatever it is to look at another

553
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Speaker 3: country and go, you know what, let's just be happy

554
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Speaker 3: with copying that because we know it works.

555
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Speaker 2: It's not really something that we do too often, is

556
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Speaker 2: it now? And I wonder as well, with the New

557
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: Zealanders whether we've got a bit of a vibe that

558
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Speaker 2: we think. I definitely think we have a Shelby Right

559
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: kind of a vibe in Newsne which is one of

560
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Speaker 2: the better parts of our culture. It is actually in

561
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Speaker 2: most parts of our culture. It's actually quite good. Know.

562
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Speaker 2: It's like, she'll be right, don't worry about it. I

563
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: used to.

564
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Speaker 1: I think we've lost that the problems in our society.

565
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: Now we've got everything shit and at someone else's fault attitude.

566
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: Now it used to be she'll be right.

567
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Speaker 1: I'll deal with that when that happens, you know what

568
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Let's not stress out too much about it.

569
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: That That used to be the quintessential Kiwi thing, wasn't it,

570
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: which was good and bad as you say, like, she'll

571
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: be right. It's bad when it comes to getting it,

572
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, like you've got some some symptoms that suggest

573
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: that you like if you've got bleeding at your anus. Right,

574
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: it's not a great attitude to have. But there's a

575
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Speaker 1: lot of times when she'll be right. You know, when

576
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Speaker 1: you come into a work in an office and everyone's

577
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: freaking out about shit that don't need to be like

578
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: like like like this morning we had this big live

579
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: broadcast on there's there's a prepare, but there's just a

580
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: we'll deal with a lot of this says that happens,

581
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You can take that that

582
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: that kind of attitude is actually quite good in terms

583
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: of stress levels, right.

584
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's when it applies, as you see

585
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: it across into things that aren't going to be right. Yeah.

586
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: But if you take the problem is how do you

587
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: change that really that that mindset? I think I think

588
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Speaker 2: I guess what I'd one thing.

589
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Speaker 1: I made my point very well before, probably because I'm

590
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Speaker 1: sitting on the other side of the room watching my

591
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: mouth talk and it's just yeabbing.

592
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: But I think sounding good.

593
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: I think the thing is that if you've got if you're, like, say,

594
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: from a male perspective, right, For the longest time, the

595
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: job of the mail was to protect and provide for

596
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: your family and your community.

597
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: That was the idea.

598
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Is like, your life was devoted to protecting and providing

599
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: for the community, you know, moving from your direct family

600
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: out further and further right, that used to be the whole,

601
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: whole goal, which I think has kind of been lost.

602
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: A little bit has in it now.

603
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: And so like that idea of getting yourself checked up

604
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: in the South Korean way is actually not doing it

605
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: for yourself, but doing it for how healthy you is

606
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: better for the people around you. You're kind of a

607
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: saying like for your family, say Jeremy, if you're healthy

608
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: and you're around, then you are in a better condition

609
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: to fulfill your core responsibility as a man. Whatever anyone's

610
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: saying to you from any angle, what do people think? Whatever,

611
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: whatever current zigy is still current political situation. A man

612
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: quietly providing for his family and protecting his family and

613
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: protecting in the wider community whenever they can. It's your

614
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: core value and to do that you need to stay healthy.

615
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. It's helpful if you

616
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: stay healthy. Yeah, And I think you know that when

617
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: you you know, if you ever go down with the

618
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: sickness or something and you actually can't physically do anything, God,

619
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Speaker 2: do you feel useless? Yeah? But I look, I think

620
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: most men actually do think that way. I think most

621
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Speaker 2: still do. And I think people still want to be

622
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Speaker 2: able to check out of that every now and then,

623
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Speaker 2: because it's quite a lot of responsibility. Yeah, And I

624
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: think I think most people probably want a little bit

625
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: of both. They want a little bit of being You've

626
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: got to have a little bit of both, yeah, and

627
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: you've got to find your way of being able to

628
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: check out that enables you to still check out and

629
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: scratch that etch. But at the same time, you know,

630
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: still be that dad or that man or whatever that

631
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: is in that situation where you're helping mainly helping people

632
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: other than yourself. Yeah. But I also think that there's

633
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: something going on now that we definitely live in a

634
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: society where people are sorting themselves out first, and I

635
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: think that's not good. No, And the first thought is

636
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: how do I sort myself out right now? Yeah? And

637
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: for some reason, I think was there used to actually

638
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: be list of there. I think now there's more of that,

639
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: there's more people that are thinking about themselves, and well,

640
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: I think I think that's partly.

641
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Speaker 1: The focus went from be a good person in your

642
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: community and be a good provider for your fans and

643
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: do what you can to your special and you need

644
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: to follow your dream.

645
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: That's right, there's the following your dreams idea.

646
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: The following your dreams idea is the worst idea, and

647
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: your special idea is I mean, one of the greatest

648
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: things you can realize in life is that you're not special.

649
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: You're part of a fantastic human race and you're just

650
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: a cog in the wheel of your family and your

651
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: community and all that kind of stuff.

652
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: Well, it definitely takes pressure off you, Yeah, because because

653
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: that's your job, right, your job, that's speaking. Your job

654
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: isn't to be what's being special or special being famous. Well,

655
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: it's tricky for us to say this because we we

656
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: found ourselves doing jobs which are special.

657
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: People who say this to me when I say this,

658
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: it's like, but how come if that's the case, you

659
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: did everything in your life to follow special careers. And

660
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe I'm a victim of being

661
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: like of having an ego that needed to be you know,

662
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: maybe if i'd sort of myself out later earlier, I

663
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: could have had a different life, you know, and been

664
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: just as happy.

665
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I challenged that idea slowly. I don't know why

666
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: I think I look at it. Maybe it's because I

667
00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: grew up in.

668
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: A household were like you guys are saying, is they

669
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: were very good at believing like they're quite happy being

670
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: coggs in the will. Both my parents and they were

671
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: very very very very good cogs in the wheel when

672
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 3: the will keept turning every fucking day.

673
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: And I don't know quite how they did it, but

674
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: they did it.

675
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I thought, yeah, it's maybe this is

676
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: actually more backing up your point than going against it.

677
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like, for a second, then when

678
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: I got into radio, I thought, I want to go

679
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: after something special here because this is something that I

680
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: want to do, and this is a little bit of

681
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: a dream chasing thing. So you're saying that that's probably

682
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: not the way to look at it. I mean, I

683
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: felt lucky because.

684
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: I am here. Well, here's my feeling on this that

685
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: in the past humans have always been parts of teams, right,

686
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: and been part of a work team, or maybe a

687
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: relationship team or part of a family team, or people

688
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: have found their way into a team. Yeah. Now your

689
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: part of the team could just be turning up and

690
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: being a positive sort of a person all the time,

691
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: and you're bringing something to the team by doing that,

692
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: but you're still focused on the team in a way.

693
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: It's a good or in a relationship. You might not

694
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: the person who's bringing all the money in in a relationship,

695
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: but you're contributing in another way, which was making the

696
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: team better. Okay, and your team, your family is a team.

697
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: So I haven't really going to get what you're saying.

698
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: In fact, I've kind of backed up of it.

699
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: It's more about teams, and you can be doing something

700
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: really special, but it's the team doing it.

701
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Like say, our break for show. Often think about this.

702
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Our brick for show is no different than the four

703
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: of us were each morning going out to hunt gazelle

704
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: or something. We get together, we all have our skills

705
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: and we go out and hunt the gazelle and it's

706
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: our time together.

707
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: And that's what's so interesting on a podcast.

708
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean, our podcast gets more and more successful, but

709
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't really matter. It doesn't because it's more the

710
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: fact that it's every day and it's the four of

711
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: us coming together to do something and that's the most

712
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: human thing you can do. So you've got your team

713
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: at home jury. You've got your team which is Mischig,

714
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: Hugo and Tulsi, and you got that team, and you

715
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: do your stuff with that team, and you know, making

716
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: sure that your kids are right, and you're making sure

717
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: that your partner's okay. And you do that team, and

718
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: then you're going to give your other team and you

719
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: go off and do do stuff with that team. And

720
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: it wouldn't really matter what they are. I mean, anyone

721
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: that's worked in a workplace where the people aren't great

722
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: compared to a workplace where people are great, so different.

723
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I used to work in Real Groovy Records

724
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: in Auckland and was such a good team that it

725
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: was a shit job. But I loved hanging out with

726
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: the people and I loved the jokes we had behind

727
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: the counter. I loved I loved all the things we

728
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: were doing. And I was like this, it doesn't didn't

729
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: matter that we were selling CDs as opposed to talking

730
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: bullshit on a podcast. It was about the journey and

731
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: the team and being part of being a pack animal

732
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: and hitting, and that the key is.

733
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: You got to be hitting in some direction. Ye.

734
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Yes, you've got to have something to do, and you've

735
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: got to get some good people around you and do it.

736
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter what that is. And I think

737
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: we're definitely part as society atomizers, and it has atomized

738
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: more and more. Even though we think that we're more connected,

739
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: we're less connected than we And I think as it

740
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: atomizes more and more, people start looking themselves and thinking

741
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: what me, me, me, I, I I ego, ego, ego,

742
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: thinking about myself, myself, myself, And really the answer is

743
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: in front of you, in the eyes of other people.

744
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: The answer is inside of your own family, it's inside

745
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: of your partner, it's inside of your children. Those things

746
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: are all in front of you. They're not behind your eyes.

747
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: They're actually in front of your eyes. And I think

748
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 2: if you focus more on what's in front of your

749
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: eyes and less than what's behind your eyes, I think

750
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: it's actually a good way to happiness in general. But

751
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: the problem is we are always asked from a very

752
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: young age, what are you doing, what's your future? Where

753
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 2: are you going to go? And because we can all

754
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: see all of these options now in front of us,

755
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: much more clearly than they're on our bloody phone. Then

756
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: we don't look to the people so much. We look

757
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: to our phones, We look to our technology. We look

758
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: to these things that are possibly unobtainable in a lot

759
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: of ways, and we mark ourselves, we guide ourselves with that,

760
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: and then we also judge ourselves against that. Well, it's

761
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: a terrible idea.

762
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you go to your phone, it's the point

763
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: you're making jury su true and quite purposefully, your phone's

764
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: growing up stuff that's unattainable to make you feel bad,

765
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: to fire off your worst emotions, that make your life's

766
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: life worse. Because you know, comparison is the thief of joy,

767
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: and that's what social media is comparison. It's kind of

768
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: constantly comparing yourself to that. But like if you were

769
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: back in hunter and gatherer days, which were completely evolved

770
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: to be in you're in a pack, what you knew

771
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: you had to do was survive for the day. You

772
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: only had to be the best person at stripping bark

773
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: off a tree or whatever something that they needed to do,

774
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and you'd find each person would find their thing and

775
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: that was their goal in life. They didn't go online

776
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: and see four thousand people that were infinitely better than

777
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: they were at it. You just had to find your

778
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: COG and the thirty people that was your tribe and

779
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: go around and at the end of the day, your

780
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: KPIs your key performance indicators.

781
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: With that, you were still alive.

782
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you sat around the

783
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: fire and you felt fricking amazing because you'd worked as

784
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: a team to get that right. So now we live

785
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: in a society where people go, you need to follow

786
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: your dream. You know, if you find you need to

787
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: find your calling. What's your life? You know, from about

788
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the age of fourteen year people are panicking because they're like,

789
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: I haven't found the thing.

790
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: That's so important to me.

791
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: Point now, okay, I haven't found my calling in life.

792
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: What's the word for it? Like what I'm supposed to do?

793
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: My passion, what I'm going to do with my life?

794
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: You haven't found it.

795
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: And people don't find that from fourteen un till about

796
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: forty five when they give up and they go, I

797
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: never found it.

798
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: I never found it because fucking of course you can't

799
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: find it, because ninety nine percent of people won't fucking

800
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: find that, And the people that do find they're calling

801
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: end up fucking not being happy from it anyway, because

802
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: they're chasing some kind of bullshit dream. Like I don't know,

803
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: we all want to be rock stars, movie stars, tv stars.

804
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fucking thing we want to

805
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: be that counts billionaires? What accounts to found your calling

806
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: an artist, incredible, celebrated artist, or whatever it is. And

807
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: it's like, no, your calling in life is to find

808
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: some good people around you and fucking do something for them,

809
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and multiple teams and like that, just to continue down

810
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: this path. We have this idea about our partner having

811
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: to be this an amazing so spend our whole lives

812
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: trying to find the fucking perfect dream fantasy partner that's

813
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: the most ultimate thing, the most beautiful person in the world,

814
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: most select sexually attractive, your best friend, the smartest person

815
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: you've ever met, all these things, and we put this

816
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: on a partner where no, a partner is just one

817
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: of the people in your life, someone that you like

818
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: and love, and then you settle on them and you

819
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: devote yourself to making their life better and as a result,

820
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: you make your life better.

821
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I think the Japanese do

822
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: an interesting thing where they have professions where people really

823
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: get into whatever they're doing. So it might be a

824
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: guy I might spend sixty years making sushi. That guy

825
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: just focuses in on doing the best job they possibly

826
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: can on making that sushi. And the more they get

827
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: into it, the more they realize that there's more to this,

828
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: the more they thought, there's actually more to it. You

829
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: can make it slightly square each time if you want to,

830
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: or you can add that it's really the joy that

831
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 2: you're bringing to that particular Japanese are particularly good at that,

832
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: and they just focus right in on that. They're not

833
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: thinking while he's making that sushi. He's not thinking or

834
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: she's not thinking. God, I wish I was I was

835
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: somewhere else. I wish I was doing something else.

836
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: I wish I wish mine my thing was more. Yeah,

837
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I had more. I wish I

838
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: wish I had what other people have.

839
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: I was watching that.

840
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: I was watching Bill Burt interview last night, and what

841
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 3: he spoke about reminds me of this situation. And it's

842
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: quite a good blanket rule. And it's like what he

843
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: was talking about was the idea of you know, the

844
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: only thing that matters is you're going to be okay,

845
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: and if you're not okay, then you might've just deal

846
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: with that once that it comes and then you're just

847
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: gonna be fine for the rest.

848
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the whole.

849
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 3: It kind of sums up what you guys talking about

850
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: there as well, in the sense that it is actually

851
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: just going to be okay. And if you are just

852
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: slotting in and what is it like the type of

853
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: thing that people say about about the like office job.

854
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 3: You know, I could never sit behind desk.

855
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't you know.

856
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: I wasn't built for this type of it. No one

857
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: was mate like I had to I had to be

858
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: that person, but no one was really meant for that

859
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: kind of thing. And then, but understanding that, I think

860
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: it's actually okay to just be k is quite a

861
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: special thing because they would be very freeing for a

862
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: lot of young people right now who think they have

863
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: to be very special and do something incredible with their life.

864
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: They know, men or something, then they should be sitting

865
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: they should be sitting at much impeach you, yes, you know,

866
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: writing a fucking novel. I think that's the person that

867
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: goes into work and goes into the office and goes,

868
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually do stuff for the office, you know,

869
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: something to go to office, and some people will sort

870
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: this out, they'll do this, and they'll go and they'll

871
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: come in and they'll be a positive And then and

872
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Speaker 1: their relationships in the office become really important. That person

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Speaker 1: is fucking load happier, even if they're just in a

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Speaker 1: ship office doing a ship job. Then the fucking digital

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Speaker 1: native digital natives traveling around the world by themselves on

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Speaker 1: laptops trying to be the most important person, eat, pray, love,

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Speaker 1: motherfucker in the world are the most miserable ship. They

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Speaker 1: hate themselves, they themselves. They absolutely hate themselves. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: that it was a lovely podcast. I very profound And look.

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Speaker 2: Can we call it they hate themselves?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose a bit of a dark they they

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Speaker 3: hate themselves.

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Speaker 2: They do hate themselves. They hate themselves. They themselves. But

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Speaker 2: I love you guys. I love you too.

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Speaker 1: I love you guys, and I love working with you guys,

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Speaker 1: and I love doing this job. But it's not I

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Speaker 1: totally believe it's not the job. But it's the it's

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Speaker 1: the peeps.

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Speaker 2: The people. When We fucking love it.

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Speaker 1: Lucky to be surrounded by I'm lucky to be surrounded

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Speaker 1: by great people at home, and lucky to be surrounded

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Speaker 1: by great people at my job.

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Speaker 4: So yep, too right, mate, give them a taste to

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Speaker 4: keep you right. Okay, Okay, okay, Jesus you're right. Okay

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Speaker 4: then okay, God, okay, clear, wealthy ok it was.

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Speaker 2: But we had quite a bit of hock there as well.

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Speaker 3: God, how long were we going for?

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Speaker 2: Thirty eight minutes? Waste one's time?

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Speaker 3: Ok We're done, all right, Jerry, done, okay

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Speaker 2: Jerry, Jesus Christ is not all about you.