1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,227 Speaker 2: Book arrived on my desk this week. Called The Winning 4 00:00:15,267 --> 00:00:19,187 Speaker 2: Mindset Successful Strategies for Sport, Business and Life. It's written 5 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:22,907 Speaker 2: by David Neathi, one of New Zealand's leading mental performance coaches. 6 00:00:22,947 --> 00:00:26,147 Speaker 2: He's worked across business and sport to help enable peak 7 00:00:26,267 --> 00:00:29,427 Speaker 2: performance in the sporting world. Among those he's worked with 8 00:00:29,587 --> 00:00:34,107 Speaker 2: are city kickboxing fighters Israel Adasanya and Kaikara France. He's 9 00:00:34,107 --> 00:00:37,027 Speaker 2: also worked with golfers Lydia coh and Michael Hendry, the 10 00:00:37,067 --> 00:00:40,787 Speaker 2: New Zealand breakers Jack O'Gill, and several other Commonwealth Games 11 00:00:40,827 --> 00:00:43,707 Speaker 2: and Olympic athletes. He's also got the same haircut as 12 00:00:43,707 --> 00:00:46,107 Speaker 2: Meat was keen to get him in David Neathy, how 13 00:00:46,107 --> 00:00:46,347 Speaker 2: are you. 14 00:00:46,467 --> 00:00:48,787 Speaker 3: I'm great, mate, Thanks so much for having me. 15 00:00:49,387 --> 00:00:52,187 Speaker 2: Your seminars usually include the phrase language may offend. Do 16 00:00:52,227 --> 00:00:53,987 Speaker 2: we need to be careful here? No, we might have 17 00:00:54,027 --> 00:00:57,107 Speaker 2: to be a little bit careful, but we'll be reserved today. 18 00:00:57,227 --> 00:00:59,227 Speaker 2: Great to see him make congratulations on the book. Is 19 00:00:59,227 --> 00:01:00,027 Speaker 2: this your first book? 20 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:02,907 Speaker 3: This is my first book. In fact, it was unexpected. 21 00:01:03,067 --> 00:01:07,107 Speaker 3: It was HarperCollins approached me and asked if i'd be 22 00:01:07,227 --> 00:01:11,147 Speaker 3: keen and just to say the least, it wasn't. It 23 00:01:11,267 --> 00:01:15,067 Speaker 3: wasn't something that was actually planned. But yeah, here it is. 24 00:01:15,307 --> 00:01:18,027 Speaker 2: It speaks, or actually I think that's a right phrase. 25 00:01:18,147 --> 00:01:20,227 Speaker 2: It feels like the book is speaking, and now that 26 00:01:20,267 --> 00:01:22,787 Speaker 2: I've met you, it feels like it's speaking in your voice. 27 00:01:23,667 --> 00:01:25,827 Speaker 2: Is that was that the intent that you wanted? You 28 00:01:25,827 --> 00:01:27,107 Speaker 2: wanted it to be kind of really? 29 00:01:27,227 --> 00:01:30,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you I had all. I will admit 30 00:01:30,987 --> 00:01:34,907 Speaker 3: I did have some help obviously with net McCloy, who 31 00:01:34,947 --> 00:01:37,747 Speaker 3: was my ghost writer, and she she said, look, Dave, 32 00:01:37,787 --> 00:01:41,227 Speaker 3: you you've got a personality and idea. We want to 33 00:01:41,267 --> 00:01:44,827 Speaker 3: sort of bring that across. So she she sort of 34 00:01:44,827 --> 00:01:47,787 Speaker 3: structured it that way. And obviously, you know, the other 35 00:01:47,827 --> 00:01:51,067 Speaker 3: person that really helped a lot was the wife, my wife, Joe. 36 00:01:51,227 --> 00:01:55,027 Speaker 2: It's off on the case. Yeah, I can say from experience, Yeah, yeah. 37 00:01:54,707 --> 00:01:57,187 Speaker 3: I had a lot. I had a lot on my plate, 38 00:01:57,347 --> 00:02:02,307 Speaker 3: and you know, I felt like, you know, we we 39 00:02:02,347 --> 00:02:04,667 Speaker 3: didn't have we didn't have a lot of time. But 40 00:02:04,867 --> 00:02:06,867 Speaker 3: Nick did a fantastic job. 41 00:02:07,387 --> 00:02:09,627 Speaker 2: What are some of the central themes of the book. 42 00:02:10,227 --> 00:02:14,507 Speaker 3: I think if we talk about just overcoming fear, talking 43 00:02:14,547 --> 00:02:19,507 Speaker 3: about building and strategies on how to navigate your way 44 00:02:19,507 --> 00:02:22,587 Speaker 3: through the challenges of that. You know, how do we 45 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:25,707 Speaker 3: get into peak performance? How do we overcome fair? How 46 00:02:25,707 --> 00:02:28,107 Speaker 3: do I become the best version of myself? And the 47 00:02:28,747 --> 00:02:32,587 Speaker 3: whole books about strategies are in overcoming. 48 00:02:33,707 --> 00:02:36,467 Speaker 2: One central question of the book is, and it's written 49 00:02:36,507 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 2: across the back and read letters, what would you do 50 00:02:39,787 --> 00:02:44,507 Speaker 2: if you knew you couldn't fail? How prevalent are feelings 51 00:02:44,587 --> 00:02:46,827 Speaker 2: or fears of failure in top athletes. 52 00:02:48,027 --> 00:02:54,747 Speaker 3: I think you'll find that progressively as they get condition 53 00:02:55,027 --> 00:03:00,667 Speaker 3: for top quality competitions. The nerves it's no different from 54 00:03:00,667 --> 00:03:05,147 Speaker 3: a golfer on a Sunday game worrying about the hit 55 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:09,027 Speaker 3: in the first shot are But these high performance athletes 56 00:03:09,067 --> 00:03:13,067 Speaker 3: are well conditioned. They've had tens, if not decades of 57 00:03:13,467 --> 00:03:15,147 Speaker 3: hard work, so they're kind of used to it. 58 00:03:15,627 --> 00:03:18,547 Speaker 2: And failure is inevitable on any journey, especially to the 59 00:03:18,707 --> 00:03:19,747 Speaker 2: very top, isn't it. 60 00:03:19,747 --> 00:03:23,147 Speaker 3: It's on the journey to success you are going to 61 00:03:23,227 --> 00:03:25,027 Speaker 3: pass through failure many times. 62 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:27,427 Speaker 2: What are the keys to dealing with. 63 00:03:27,347 --> 00:03:30,907 Speaker 3: It, reframing it and understanding this? The fundamental thing here 64 00:03:31,027 --> 00:03:33,707 Speaker 3: is that there is no such thing as failure. There's 65 00:03:33,747 --> 00:03:34,467 Speaker 3: only learning. 66 00:03:34,667 --> 00:03:34,987 Speaker 2: Now. 67 00:03:35,107 --> 00:03:36,667 Speaker 3: What I say in the book is if you can 68 00:03:36,747 --> 00:03:40,787 Speaker 3: preserve the learnings and let go of the negative emotions, 69 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:45,747 Speaker 3: you then develop and build a strong self image so 70 00:03:45,787 --> 00:03:49,467 Speaker 3: that you can navigate continuously on the path to your goals. 71 00:03:49,707 --> 00:03:52,787 Speaker 2: It's hard, though, wasn't it, Because at the time when 72 00:03:52,867 --> 00:03:55,267 Speaker 2: things don't go your way. I'm not just talking elite 73 00:03:55,307 --> 00:03:58,187 Speaker 2: athletes or very successful business people, but all of us. 74 00:03:58,467 --> 00:04:00,547 Speaker 2: We all have moments in our life when going, yeah, 75 00:04:01,027 --> 00:04:03,027 Speaker 2: that hasn't gone the way I hope. You feel embarrassed, 76 00:04:03,027 --> 00:04:06,267 Speaker 2: you feel like you let people down, you feel disappointed. 77 00:04:06,827 --> 00:04:09,667 Speaker 2: How can you separate all of those emotions and try 78 00:04:09,707 --> 00:04:10,747 Speaker 2: and take out the lessons? 79 00:04:11,227 --> 00:04:13,987 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's probably where you sort of want 80 00:04:14,027 --> 00:04:16,667 Speaker 3: to have someone or a support network that can help 81 00:04:16,787 --> 00:04:21,387 Speaker 3: navigate and create those conversations to extract from that, you know, 82 00:04:21,587 --> 00:04:24,667 Speaker 3: the key learnings. I mean, this is why you know, 83 00:04:25,427 --> 00:04:29,427 Speaker 3: sports psychologists mental performance coaches are so vital today in 84 00:04:30,027 --> 00:04:33,187 Speaker 3: the world. I mean, it's a growing industry. 85 00:04:33,467 --> 00:04:35,107 Speaker 2: You've touched on a really interesting point that I was 86 00:04:35,107 --> 00:04:37,627 Speaker 2: going to ask you about. How has the attitude towards 87 00:04:38,067 --> 00:04:42,347 Speaker 2: coaching mental performance changed and you've been doing it three decades? Yeah, 88 00:04:42,387 --> 00:04:43,187 Speaker 2: what was it like what was. 89 00:04:43,227 --> 00:04:46,467 Speaker 3: Luck when you started and nowadays, you know, if you 90 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:52,107 Speaker 3: kind of learned from senior members around you or your coaches. 91 00:04:53,707 --> 00:04:56,667 Speaker 3: And certainly I want to make this sort of clear 92 00:04:56,867 --> 00:04:59,147 Speaker 3: in the contents of what I do. I work with 93 00:04:59,227 --> 00:05:03,827 Speaker 3: high performance. I don't do mental health. So I think 94 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:07,427 Speaker 3: there's a lot more self awareness of mental health issues 95 00:05:07,467 --> 00:05:09,547 Speaker 3: and having the right people around them to support that. 96 00:05:09,827 --> 00:05:13,787 Speaker 3: But when it comes to high performance, that's a very 97 00:05:13,827 --> 00:05:15,907 Speaker 3: specialist field. That's where I sit. 98 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:18,667 Speaker 2: And so when you started, was it was there still 99 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:21,827 Speaker 2: some what we thirty years ago ninety four? Was there 100 00:05:21,827 --> 00:05:24,507 Speaker 2: a bit of suspicion still around about about you know, 101 00:05:24,747 --> 00:05:27,267 Speaker 2: coaching mental performance? Just getutther and lift some more weights, 102 00:05:27,267 --> 00:05:27,547 Speaker 2: will you? 103 00:05:27,707 --> 00:05:30,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, the old sort of tea spurn or concrete and 104 00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:33,107 Speaker 3: harden up, mate. I mean, but I was very much 105 00:05:33,227 --> 00:05:36,267 Speaker 3: that blue collar worker who was brought up in that environment, 106 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:40,027 Speaker 3: which to a certain point, you know, there's some bloody 107 00:05:40,067 --> 00:05:42,747 Speaker 3: truth in that. You know, whether you like it or not, 108 00:05:43,187 --> 00:05:46,147 Speaker 3: you kind of have to harden the pep up if 109 00:05:46,227 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: you really true you want to overcome. So it's about 110 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:53,747 Speaker 3: facing those fares. But ideally, you know, when we have 111 00:05:53,867 --> 00:05:57,107 Speaker 3: that sort of harden up narrative. It's it's it's not 112 00:05:57,307 --> 00:06:00,987 Speaker 3: really it's frowned upon. But I will tell you, you know, 113 00:06:01,107 --> 00:06:04,707 Speaker 3: working with a lot of my clients, I absolutely challenged 114 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:08,627 Speaker 3: them to understand and to face that fair Carl Jung 115 00:06:08,747 --> 00:06:11,747 Speaker 3: said this, we're fear lies. There's your task. 116 00:06:13,147 --> 00:06:15,387 Speaker 2: Love that. Love that David neath, he's our guest. The 117 00:06:15,387 --> 00:06:19,467 Speaker 2: winning mindset is the book. You've worked with kickboxes like 118 00:06:19,587 --> 00:06:22,907 Speaker 2: Israel Adisanya and golfers like lydia Coe. They could hardly 119 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:27,227 Speaker 2: be more diametrically opposite in terms of what is needed 120 00:06:27,427 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 2: for success. I mean, lydia Co's got to be utterly 121 00:06:29,947 --> 00:06:33,547 Speaker 2: relaxed before she approaches every shot. I don't know about kickboxing, 122 00:06:33,587 --> 00:06:35,147 Speaker 2: but i'd imagine you have to be fairly hyped up 123 00:06:35,147 --> 00:06:36,427 Speaker 2: to get in the octagon to start with. 124 00:06:36,707 --> 00:06:41,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually not the case at all being hyped up. 125 00:06:41,787 --> 00:06:44,907 Speaker 3: I mean, in the book, I took about the performance 126 00:06:45,027 --> 00:06:52,227 Speaker 3: window and ideally the difference something with kickboxing. It's not 127 00:06:52,347 --> 00:06:56,107 Speaker 3: about reacting, it's about responding, and you have to have 128 00:06:56,147 --> 00:07:01,987 Speaker 3: a calm mind to be able to anticipate the movement. 129 00:07:02,107 --> 00:07:04,627 Speaker 3: So what I get with a lot of feedback with 130 00:07:04,747 --> 00:07:07,827 Speaker 3: the guys is when I talk about getting into that state. 131 00:07:08,467 --> 00:07:12,267 Speaker 3: The feedback is often it's like I'm half a second 132 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:15,907 Speaker 3: ahead of my opponent and that's a beautiful place to be. Now, 133 00:07:16,147 --> 00:07:19,747 Speaker 3: as far as Livia's concerned, I think the one thing 134 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,627 Speaker 3: that makes God very challenging is that you have time 135 00:07:22,707 --> 00:07:27,387 Speaker 3: to think, and that thinking can very quickly contaminate. 136 00:07:28,027 --> 00:07:29,867 Speaker 2: Yes, so because I think you're right, you off and 137 00:07:29,907 --> 00:07:32,187 Speaker 2: hear about the heat of the moment or somebody doing 138 00:07:32,227 --> 00:07:35,667 Speaker 2: something spontaneously. You can't reallydo that in golf, can You've 139 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,027 Speaker 2: got far too much time to think about it. 140 00:07:37,147 --> 00:07:39,987 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And you've got to be able to manage yourself. 141 00:07:40,027 --> 00:07:42,347 Speaker 3: I mean, you hit the ball two hundred and twenty 142 00:07:42,387 --> 00:07:45,947 Speaker 3: meters down the fairway, You've got time to think or 143 00:07:46,027 --> 00:07:48,827 Speaker 3: reflect about the last hole where you boged whatever. And 144 00:07:49,227 --> 00:07:53,107 Speaker 3: these these thoughts can actually contaminate the self image. It 145 00:07:53,147 --> 00:07:58,067 Speaker 3: can actually affect the neurology and have an impact on 146 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:03,107 Speaker 3: your ability to stay in the now, which is so 147 00:08:03,107 --> 00:08:05,347 Speaker 3: so important for high performance athletes. 148 00:08:05,387 --> 00:08:08,267 Speaker 2: So there are general of course that apply across goals, 149 00:08:08,427 --> 00:08:10,587 Speaker 2: specially boxing and everything in between them. 150 00:08:10,987 --> 00:08:16,907 Speaker 3: Absolutely one is absolutely self awareness, absolutely understanding through conscious 151 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:20,227 Speaker 3: awareness on the state that you're in and understanding is 152 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:24,347 Speaker 3: this state contributing or contaminating the moment that you can 153 00:08:24,507 --> 00:08:27,867 Speaker 3: because fundamentally you cannot change anything you don't first recognize. 154 00:08:27,867 --> 00:08:31,067 Speaker 3: So you recognize, hey, this is not helping me. I 155 00:08:31,267 --> 00:08:36,747 Speaker 3: give them a toolbox or a performance mental performance toolbox 156 00:08:37,107 --> 00:08:39,427 Speaker 3: of things that they can use to get them back 157 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:40,027 Speaker 3: into state. 158 00:08:40,627 --> 00:08:43,547 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about outside noise, which is 159 00:08:43,587 --> 00:08:46,267 Speaker 2: now more prevalent than ever. Anybody with an Internet connection 160 00:08:46,347 --> 00:08:49,147 Speaker 2: and a smartphone can make you know, can post an 161 00:08:49,187 --> 00:08:52,787 Speaker 2: opinion about anybody. Someone's probably listening to us and firing 162 00:08:52,827 --> 00:08:55,147 Speaker 2: something off right now. They want if they want to, 163 00:08:55,627 --> 00:08:58,827 Speaker 2: how important is it and how can you block out 164 00:08:59,147 --> 00:09:00,587 Speaker 2: noise that is irrelevant to you? 165 00:09:00,667 --> 00:09:02,867 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's quite simple. And again this is 166 00:09:02,907 --> 00:09:06,347 Speaker 3: where we had to be mindful of language. Ultimately, when 167 00:09:06,427 --> 00:09:08,587 Speaker 3: you have a strong self image, you don't give a shit. 168 00:09:10,587 --> 00:09:12,947 Speaker 3: And I think the other key thing is, you know 169 00:09:13,787 --> 00:09:17,987 Speaker 3: you can with social media today you actually have the 170 00:09:18,027 --> 00:09:22,907 Speaker 3: ability to turn your device off. You know, I'm certainly 171 00:09:22,947 --> 00:09:25,947 Speaker 3: not going to allow anyone else to contaminate my self 172 00:09:25,947 --> 00:09:29,347 Speaker 3: image or dictate to me. And so again part of 173 00:09:29,387 --> 00:09:33,747 Speaker 3: that is helping my clients build a strong self image 174 00:09:33,787 --> 00:09:35,147 Speaker 3: of undoubtable belief. 175 00:09:36,427 --> 00:09:39,947 Speaker 2: How do you connect with your clients because they come 176 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:41,787 Speaker 2: and they've never met you. I know you're a likable guy, 177 00:09:41,787 --> 00:09:44,707 Speaker 2: I know you're ten minutes. It's not difficult, but I'd 178 00:09:44,707 --> 00:09:47,067 Speaker 2: imagine there be trepidation. Oh, you know, what's this guy 179 00:09:47,107 --> 00:09:48,907 Speaker 2: going to tell me? You know, like I said, I 180 00:09:48,947 --> 00:09:50,147 Speaker 2: just want to get out and lift some weights or 181 00:09:50,187 --> 00:09:52,907 Speaker 2: whatever it is. How do you establish rapport? 182 00:09:53,747 --> 00:09:56,587 Speaker 3: I would say that it's see, this is something that 183 00:09:56,627 --> 00:10:00,507 Speaker 3: because I've done it for so long, within seconds, I 184 00:10:00,547 --> 00:10:02,827 Speaker 3: can have them very relaxed. So it's not something that 185 00:10:02,867 --> 00:10:06,547 Speaker 3: I could actually tell you. It's just something innate, just 186 00:10:06,947 --> 00:10:11,107 Speaker 3: a skill from many, many years of coaching tens of 187 00:10:11,147 --> 00:10:12,347 Speaker 3: thousands of ours. 188 00:10:12,667 --> 00:10:14,387 Speaker 2: Can I always ask you? What with the breakers? And 189 00:10:14,467 --> 00:10:17,307 Speaker 2: Basketball's always always appeal to me as a sport. I 190 00:10:17,307 --> 00:10:20,747 Speaker 2: love what basketball, my son's right into it. But watching 191 00:10:20,947 --> 00:10:23,707 Speaker 2: the top players in the world with seemingly ice in 192 00:10:23,747 --> 00:10:29,427 Speaker 2: their veins in these huge moments, seconds counting down cool hiddenness, 193 00:10:29,667 --> 00:10:31,187 Speaker 2: cool hiddenness? Can that be coached? 194 00:10:32,387 --> 00:10:35,787 Speaker 3: I think? I think the most important thing is when 195 00:10:35,827 --> 00:10:40,507 Speaker 3: you get to elite level clients, they are so curious 196 00:10:40,547 --> 00:10:42,947 Speaker 3: and eager to learn to get that edge right. So 197 00:10:43,347 --> 00:10:47,147 Speaker 3: whilst you're on that that you've nailed it. Here's a 198 00:10:47,187 --> 00:10:51,787 Speaker 3: real beautiful story. So do you remember is it is 199 00:10:51,787 --> 00:10:55,267 Speaker 3: it twenty sixteen when we won the NBA L I 200 00:10:55,267 --> 00:10:56,987 Speaker 3: think it was something like that, something like that, and 201 00:10:57,027 --> 00:10:59,747 Speaker 3: I remember remember a big quay put the shot up 202 00:10:59,747 --> 00:11:00,347 Speaker 3: on the buzzer. 203 00:11:00,467 --> 00:11:02,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolute scenes, pandemonium. 204 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:06,907 Speaker 3: Oh mate, it was the most amazing experience right now. 205 00:11:07,387 --> 00:11:11,107 Speaker 3: I remember running a seminar for the guys. This is 206 00:11:11,267 --> 00:11:14,347 Speaker 3: sort of beginning of the season, and as we ran 207 00:11:14,387 --> 00:11:17,187 Speaker 3: through it and I finished, a big way jumps up 208 00:11:17,227 --> 00:11:17,987 Speaker 3: and he goes. 209 00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:21,027 Speaker 2: You know what you are, man, You're real, man, You're real. 210 00:11:21,867 --> 00:11:22,067 Speaker 2: You know. 211 00:11:22,507 --> 00:11:25,307 Speaker 3: So these guys are keen to learn anything they can 212 00:11:25,387 --> 00:11:26,387 Speaker 3: to get the mental edge. 213 00:11:26,827 --> 00:11:29,827 Speaker 2: That's great. That is great. While there are things and 214 00:11:29,947 --> 00:11:33,467 Speaker 2: themes that will will really help towards peak performance, are 215 00:11:33,467 --> 00:11:35,507 Speaker 2: there things that will definitely detract from it? 216 00:11:36,347 --> 00:11:42,907 Speaker 3: Ah? Yeah, Well, there's always going to be obviously navigating 217 00:11:42,907 --> 00:11:46,787 Speaker 3: your way through failure, and I think the keys to 218 00:11:46,907 --> 00:11:50,667 Speaker 3: overcoming some of the challenges is certainly having the right network. 219 00:11:50,987 --> 00:11:54,907 Speaker 3: You've got to have a support network and play and 220 00:11:55,547 --> 00:11:57,787 Speaker 3: to a certain point, people have got to take some 221 00:11:57,947 --> 00:12:02,667 Speaker 3: level of personal responsibilities. Responsibility an agency you know, your 222 00:12:02,667 --> 00:12:05,307 Speaker 3: stat is your choice. You know, I want to allow 223 00:12:05,387 --> 00:12:08,827 Speaker 3: someone to dictate to me. So again it's not so 224 00:12:08,907 --> 00:12:16,387 Speaker 3: much ideal so much with that in that I established 225 00:12:16,387 --> 00:12:19,227 Speaker 3: a strong self image so that it's not something that 226 00:12:19,267 --> 00:12:23,387 Speaker 3: comes up in the conversations and our journey together. 227 00:12:24,027 --> 00:12:26,387 Speaker 2: How do you get your rewards? What are your biggest rewards? 228 00:12:28,347 --> 00:12:31,067 Speaker 3: Well, obviously you can appreciate there's a real buzz when 229 00:12:31,067 --> 00:12:33,227 Speaker 3: you have a client on TV who gets a gold 230 00:12:33,267 --> 00:12:40,107 Speaker 3: medal like Tupo, and that's really really rewarding. But there 231 00:12:40,147 --> 00:12:44,387 Speaker 3: are also times. I remember a young man who was 232 00:12:44,467 --> 00:12:48,387 Speaker 3: really struggling sort of a low self esteem, very intimidated 233 00:12:48,427 --> 00:12:49,827 Speaker 3: by a lot of the swimmers on the pool, and 234 00:12:49,827 --> 00:12:54,147 Speaker 3: I remember we worked together and his parents phoned me 235 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:56,547 Speaker 3: after the event on the drive home I think they 236 00:12:56,547 --> 00:12:58,707 Speaker 3: were in Napier driving home to walk and they said, 237 00:12:58,747 --> 00:13:01,707 Speaker 3: oh my god, Dave, you won't believe what happened. He's 238 00:13:01,747 --> 00:13:04,187 Speaker 3: been working with you and we've been working for this 239 00:13:04,347 --> 00:13:08,067 Speaker 3: particular events and they say, look he peb and I went, oh, 240 00:13:08,107 --> 00:13:10,947 Speaker 3: that's great, that's what I expected. And they said, Dave, 241 00:13:11,067 --> 00:13:17,267 Speaker 3: he had a thirteen second PB thirteen seconds in the pool. 242 00:13:17,387 --> 00:13:21,147 Speaker 3: That's unreal. Now, he was still quite young, which is 243 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:25,627 Speaker 3: expected that you can make big jumps, obviously, but they 244 00:13:25,747 --> 00:13:30,347 Speaker 3: hear it on the parent's voice. The only true way 245 00:13:30,427 --> 00:13:32,907 Speaker 3: to success is to help others get what they want. 246 00:13:33,307 --> 00:13:36,747 Speaker 3: And so I get fulfilled with this, with small events 247 00:13:36,787 --> 00:13:39,587 Speaker 3: that aren't in the book that no one else will 248 00:13:39,627 --> 00:13:43,667 Speaker 3: know except for them and the client. You know that's 249 00:13:43,707 --> 00:13:44,747 Speaker 3: special for me. Mate. 250 00:13:44,987 --> 00:13:47,187 Speaker 2: One thing you hear a lot as well about top 251 00:13:47,227 --> 00:13:49,467 Speaker 2: athletes and top performers across all industries is that they 252 00:13:49,507 --> 00:13:51,907 Speaker 2: always want to learn more. Yeah, you feel that way 253 00:13:51,947 --> 00:13:52,227 Speaker 2: as well. 254 00:13:52,387 --> 00:13:55,867 Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're incredibly curious. And I've always said to the guys, look, 255 00:13:56,027 --> 00:13:58,387 Speaker 3: you come and see me, but don't make it one dimensional. 256 00:13:58,787 --> 00:14:02,507 Speaker 3: I want education should be on the continuant for the 257 00:14:02,507 --> 00:14:05,947 Speaker 3: rest of your life. You should be educating yourself. I 258 00:14:05,947 --> 00:14:08,747 Speaker 3: think things may change as you mature as an athlete 259 00:14:08,747 --> 00:14:11,387 Speaker 3: and come to your end of your career. Your education 260 00:14:11,507 --> 00:14:13,547 Speaker 3: may be in the next phase of your life. But 261 00:14:13,907 --> 00:14:18,227 Speaker 3: education education by definition. I'm not saying you have to 262 00:14:18,227 --> 00:14:22,107 Speaker 3: get a university degree, but you should be constantly learning. 263 00:14:22,747 --> 00:14:23,187 Speaker 2: Ah. 264 00:14:23,227 --> 00:14:25,747 Speaker 3: That's the existentialist to me, mate. You know, I believe 265 00:14:25,787 --> 00:14:28,947 Speaker 3: with thrown in this world, let's extract as much as 266 00:14:29,027 --> 00:14:30,147 Speaker 3: we can out of it. 267 00:14:30,427 --> 00:14:33,427 Speaker 2: So you're still learning, oh absolute In fact here I am. 268 00:14:33,707 --> 00:14:36,547 Speaker 3: I don't know. In the book you might read I 269 00:14:36,627 --> 00:14:39,387 Speaker 3: left school at sixteen with no qualifications. In fact, my 270 00:14:39,507 --> 00:14:42,347 Speaker 3: school see English exam. I wrote my name, put the 271 00:14:42,347 --> 00:14:45,347 Speaker 3: pen down, and after half an hour were allowed to go. 272 00:14:45,427 --> 00:14:48,787 Speaker 3: So I passed off to a rugby game that was 273 00:14:48,867 --> 00:14:50,467 Speaker 3: more important for me at the time, and I didn't 274 00:14:50,507 --> 00:14:54,387 Speaker 3: have any belief in myself. I am currently now doing 275 00:14:54,467 --> 00:14:58,907 Speaker 3: a degree in philosophy and psychology, and I'm proud to 276 00:14:58,947 --> 00:15:02,347 Speaker 3: say from a man who left school with no qualifications, 277 00:15:02,427 --> 00:15:05,427 Speaker 3: I've been getting a's in my philosophy papers, which is 278 00:15:05,467 --> 00:15:06,067 Speaker 3: my passion. 279 00:15:06,387 --> 00:15:09,147 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. You worked with Jack o' gill. Yeah, do 280 00:15:09,187 --> 00:15:11,467 Speaker 2: you reckon he'll be sick at the Olympics? You reckon 281 00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:13,547 Speaker 2: he'll be happy, satisfied. 282 00:15:13,067 --> 00:15:15,187 Speaker 3: But he won't be satisfied at all. No, I know, 283 00:15:15,467 --> 00:15:19,587 Speaker 3: but he'll He's the sort of guy where he also 284 00:15:19,667 --> 00:15:22,627 Speaker 3: knows about the long game. He knows there's a lot 285 00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:25,747 Speaker 3: of work to be done. He's come a long way 286 00:15:26,747 --> 00:15:31,227 Speaker 3: and and he's got a massive Him and David Letty 287 00:15:31,587 --> 00:15:34,587 Speaker 3: I had I had a little session with Dave. This 288 00:15:34,707 --> 00:15:36,907 Speaker 3: is probably going back about five years and I said 289 00:15:36,907 --> 00:15:38,667 Speaker 3: to him, if I think it was a Commonwealth games, 290 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:41,027 Speaker 3: I made a bet with him. I said, mate, if you, 291 00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:44,427 Speaker 3: if you, if you, if you win it, I'll buy you. 292 00:15:44,707 --> 00:15:45,627 Speaker 3: I'll buy your lunch. 293 00:15:46,147 --> 00:15:49,147 Speaker 2: That's expensive, so he mate, I'll tell you. So we 294 00:15:49,267 --> 00:15:51,347 Speaker 2: go to the pub. We're having a pub. 295 00:15:51,187 --> 00:15:54,587 Speaker 3: That we have the entree maine and dessert and the 296 00:15:54,667 --> 00:15:56,587 Speaker 3: lady comes in and says there anything else, and he 297 00:15:56,827 --> 00:15:59,227 Speaker 3: and Dave goes, yeah, I'll have the same again. 298 00:15:59,347 --> 00:16:05,787 Speaker 2: Please far that guy. Two entrees, two mates and two 299 00:16:05,827 --> 00:16:08,147 Speaker 2: desserts cost me hundreds of dollars. 300 00:16:08,387 --> 00:16:09,987 Speaker 3: David Yomi, Mate. 301 00:16:09,867 --> 00:16:12,747 Speaker 2: H so good, so good. I feel like we could 302 00:16:12,747 --> 00:16:15,907 Speaker 2: talk for hours. David neath the The Winning Mindset Successful 303 00:16:15,947 --> 00:16:19,067 Speaker 2: Strategies for Sport, Business and Life. So I guess we'll 304 00:16:19,067 --> 00:16:20,787 Speaker 2: be waiting for your philosophy book next. 305 00:16:20,907 --> 00:16:23,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the gay. That sounds great. Good suggestion, Mabe. 306 00:16:24,587 --> 00:16:25,147 Speaker 3: I'll go with that. 307 00:16:25,867 --> 00:16:28,227 Speaker 2: I'll pass it on to HarperCollins. Good to see you, mate, 308 00:16:28,227 --> 00:16:29,947 Speaker 2: great to meet you. Thanks for popping in for a chat. 309 00:16:30,267 --> 00:16:31,467 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Mate. 310 00:16:31,747 --> 00:16:33,507 Speaker 2: That is David neath The Yeah. Check the book out 311 00:16:33,547 --> 00:16:37,387 Speaker 2: it as a cracker. 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