1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:18,413 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:19,453 --> 00:00:25,213 Speaker 2: Y take another Patrick, It is out, the test is over. 5 00:00:27,453 --> 00:00:32,093 Speaker 2: Couldn't as smooth beauty it is out. 6 00:00:31,253 --> 00:00:31,773 Speaker 3: Here he goes. 7 00:00:31,893 --> 00:00:34,333 Speaker 4: This delivery has in many uses to bowl. 8 00:00:36,573 --> 00:00:39,973 Speaker 1: On the front foot where Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 9 00:00:40,253 --> 00:00:44,733 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks dead B at iHeart Radio. 10 00:00:46,693 --> 00:00:48,693 Speaker 2: Hello, nice to have you on the front foot for 11 00:00:48,773 --> 00:00:52,293 Speaker 2: the raisine color shots, your color and the decorating experts. 12 00:00:52,773 --> 00:00:55,053 Speaker 2: I stepped forward at Hagley, two steps back at the 13 00:00:55,093 --> 00:00:57,693 Speaker 2: base in the West Indies, now fighting to square the 14 00:00:57,733 --> 00:01:01,813 Speaker 2: World Test Championship Series. Do we care that Joffra Archer 15 00:01:01,893 --> 00:01:05,173 Speaker 2: took us pillow to the cricket? Is that being over 16 00:01:05,253 --> 00:01:08,693 Speaker 2: prepared perhaps you should have stowed it in his often 17 00:01:09,253 --> 00:01:12,773 Speaker 2: And as New Zealand Cricket administration become a secret society 18 00:01:12,853 --> 00:01:16,533 Speaker 2: fiddling with our game, so they owe us, the stakeholders, 19 00:01:16,533 --> 00:01:20,053 Speaker 2: to be upfront and organized in their decision making. We'll 20 00:01:20,053 --> 00:01:23,853 Speaker 2: discuss those issues on this week's edition. Jeremy Coney is 21 00:01:23,893 --> 00:01:26,213 Speaker 2: with me a special guest, a man who's got a 22 00:01:26,213 --> 00:01:30,573 Speaker 2: bit of expertise in dealing with the top level sporting 23 00:01:31,373 --> 00:01:36,373 Speaker 2: establishments in cricket and in football. Richard Reid Redo, nice 24 00:01:36,373 --> 00:01:40,653 Speaker 2: to have you. We'll talk about cricket's major issue at 25 00:01:40,653 --> 00:01:45,573 Speaker 2: the moment. But I'm disappointed you weren't able to get 26 00:01:45,613 --> 00:01:48,893 Speaker 2: to the cricket on Saturday. Did you have your ticket 27 00:01:48,973 --> 00:01:51,333 Speaker 2: to return and get money back? 28 00:01:52,213 --> 00:01:54,773 Speaker 5: No? I didn't. I don't have a ticket. No I 29 00:01:54,813 --> 00:01:57,533 Speaker 5: didn't get there. I had a few issues that I 30 00:01:57,533 --> 00:02:00,733 Speaker 5: had to deal with, but I was observing what was 31 00:02:00,773 --> 00:02:04,453 Speaker 5: going on. Three and four day game. Well, games that 32 00:02:04,493 --> 00:02:07,253 Speaker 5: seem to finish a day or a day and a 33 00:02:07,253 --> 00:02:10,173 Speaker 5: half early, doesn't matter. Will five or four day games 34 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:12,973 Speaker 5: seem to be rather prevalent at the moment. 35 00:02:13,573 --> 00:02:16,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, you would have enjoyed having the weekend at 36 00:02:16,053 --> 00:02:19,813 Speaker 2: home and not having to start work on a Wednesday 37 00:02:19,853 --> 00:02:22,813 Speaker 2: again this week. I think you start Thursday this coming week, 38 00:02:22,853 --> 00:02:23,293 Speaker 2: don't you. 39 00:02:24,293 --> 00:02:26,373 Speaker 6: Well, I was there, was I had to see it, 40 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:32,413 Speaker 6: and yeah, I did appreciate the couple of days back here, 41 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:35,453 Speaker 6: which is great, and picked on not such a nice 42 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:42,333 Speaker 6: day today, but a cracker yesterday. So yeah, a comprehensive 43 00:02:42,533 --> 00:02:43,373 Speaker 6: nine wicket win. 44 00:02:43,693 --> 00:02:46,373 Speaker 3: Well, that's what it'll look like in the in the history, 45 00:02:46,453 --> 00:02:46,773 Speaker 3: won't that. 46 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:51,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's what the stats books say. 47 00:02:52,013 --> 00:02:56,533 Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that it was a convincing performance 48 00:02:56,613 --> 00:03:01,133 Speaker 2: by the New Zealand side when you look at the 49 00:03:01,773 --> 00:03:06,173 Speaker 2: way the team has developed. I guess the one real 50 00:03:06,253 --> 00:03:09,133 Speaker 2: positive that's come out of this series is Jacob Duffy 51 00:03:09,533 --> 00:03:10,213 Speaker 2: read o, wasn't it. 52 00:03:10,933 --> 00:03:13,693 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's done well. The batting has been a 53 00:03:13,733 --> 00:03:17,573 Speaker 5: bit brutal, too many people getting starts and you know, 54 00:03:17,693 --> 00:03:21,613 Speaker 5: not not not getting known. They should have. They should 55 00:03:21,613 --> 00:03:23,653 Speaker 5: have got well over four hundred I thought in the 56 00:03:23,693 --> 00:03:27,373 Speaker 5: first in the first dig. But yeah, Duffy's done well. 57 00:03:27,613 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 5: He hasn't played for a while and he's come back. Yeah, 58 00:03:30,533 --> 00:03:35,213 Speaker 5: he's good. And you know, on our wickets, the guys 59 00:03:35,253 --> 00:03:40,173 Speaker 5: that came in Ray et cetera. You know that competent bowlers. 60 00:03:40,573 --> 00:03:42,893 Speaker 5: I'm not too sure I'd want to see them up 61 00:03:42,893 --> 00:03:47,533 Speaker 5: against on on on lossy wicket, but we're not playing 62 00:03:47,533 --> 00:03:48,213 Speaker 5: a lossy. 63 00:03:49,253 --> 00:03:52,013 Speaker 2: Well, Jerry. That The interesting thing, of course, is that 64 00:03:52,013 --> 00:03:55,413 Speaker 2: they've replaced a pace bowler with a left arm spinner. 65 00:03:55,813 --> 00:03:59,253 Speaker 2: Ages Patel is back into the New Zealand side. Surely 66 00:03:59,253 --> 00:04:01,733 Speaker 2: he's not coming in just to say farewell. At his 67 00:04:01,813 --> 00:04:04,333 Speaker 2: retirement speech like they did to New York wagner Jerry. 68 00:04:04,693 --> 00:04:08,573 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what they're doing. I didn't know that, 69 00:04:08,653 --> 00:04:11,773 Speaker 6: but thank you for telling me. I really I'm up 70 00:04:11,813 --> 00:04:18,773 Speaker 6: with the news. Yeah. Look, well he's normally our Asian specialist, 71 00:04:18,853 --> 00:04:23,093 Speaker 6: doesn't he He plays in Bangladesh, and he plays in 72 00:04:23,573 --> 00:04:28,613 Speaker 6: Sri Lanka, and he plays in India basically Pakistan. He 73 00:04:28,653 --> 00:04:31,493 Speaker 6: doesn't normally play here. I don't has he played one 74 00:04:31,613 --> 00:04:34,053 Speaker 6: Test match in New Zealand maybe. 75 00:04:33,813 --> 00:04:35,933 Speaker 2: One, yeah, about five years ago. 76 00:04:36,653 --> 00:04:39,293 Speaker 5: I think one of the most amazing statistics is I 77 00:04:39,293 --> 00:04:41,733 Speaker 5: don't know how many wickets he's got, but it'd be 78 00:04:41,973 --> 00:04:46,773 Speaker 5: sixty or seventy eighty five and he hasn't got one 79 00:04:46,813 --> 00:04:47,453 Speaker 5: in New Zealand. 80 00:04:48,173 --> 00:04:50,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was about four years ago. At the 81 00:04:50,413 --> 00:04:53,133 Speaker 2: basis of the funny part about that Test he played against, 82 00:04:54,133 --> 00:04:56,133 Speaker 2: it was India. I think we might have been Sri Lanka. 83 00:04:56,253 --> 00:04:58,573 Speaker 2: He bowled three overs in the first innings and three 84 00:04:58,613 --> 00:05:02,133 Speaker 2: overs in the second inning, so he was used very, 85 00:05:02,293 --> 00:05:06,373 Speaker 2: very sparingly, and they were saving him for bay Oval, Jerry. 86 00:05:06,413 --> 00:05:10,733 Speaker 2: So you'll be able to watch him twelve around up there. 87 00:05:11,893 --> 00:05:16,333 Speaker 2: The bowling attack for New Zealand interesting what Rito said about, 88 00:05:16,653 --> 00:05:20,053 Speaker 2: you know, fronting up against some really good size and 89 00:05:20,093 --> 00:05:24,213 Speaker 2: good batting. I just wonder whether Folks is a new 90 00:05:24,293 --> 00:05:27,773 Speaker 2: ball bowler or whether he should be a first change 91 00:05:27,813 --> 00:05:30,653 Speaker 2: or a second change. He's a seamer, is he an 92 00:05:30,693 --> 00:05:32,533 Speaker 2: all round her in making? Do you think? 93 00:05:33,213 --> 00:05:39,853 Speaker 6: Well, you're asking me first, I would say he's he's slightly. 94 00:05:39,893 --> 00:05:41,853 Speaker 6: I mean, he's different than the other three seamers we 95 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:45,293 Speaker 6: had in Wellington. Isn't he Ray who had had seventy 96 00:05:45,293 --> 00:05:49,613 Speaker 6: odd first class matches, so he's had plenty of He's 97 00:05:49,653 --> 00:05:53,693 Speaker 6: been there eleven years, Tickner who had been there for 98 00:05:53,733 --> 00:05:56,933 Speaker 6: a long time as well. And Duffy we know has 99 00:05:56,973 --> 00:05:58,813 Speaker 6: been there a long time. So he was the kind 100 00:05:58,853 --> 00:06:02,133 Speaker 6: of the odd man out the young man if you like. 101 00:06:02,413 --> 00:06:06,573 Speaker 3: He relies on swing he has. 102 00:06:06,813 --> 00:06:10,573 Speaker 6: He operates between about a high one twenties to low 103 00:06:10,693 --> 00:06:11,973 Speaker 6: one thirties, no more. 104 00:06:12,933 --> 00:06:14,213 Speaker 3: He needs the new ball. 105 00:06:14,253 --> 00:06:17,853 Speaker 6: Therefore, what does he do later on and the Test 106 00:06:17,893 --> 00:06:22,653 Speaker 6: matched in the innings? There's a question mark about can 107 00:06:22,693 --> 00:06:26,733 Speaker 6: he bowl as many overs as say Duffy does? You'd 108 00:06:26,773 --> 00:06:32,093 Speaker 6: think so, but he hasn't so far as far as 109 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,693 Speaker 6: the all rounder is concerned. Yeah, he can hold about 110 00:06:34,733 --> 00:06:37,693 Speaker 6: a bit but he bats about number nine at the moment, 111 00:06:37,813 --> 00:06:40,413 Speaker 6: and if he wants to have a future, I think 112 00:06:40,453 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 6: he's probably going to have to work pretty hard at 113 00:06:42,733 --> 00:06:46,413 Speaker 6: that and develop his bowl. He that develops an outswinger 114 00:06:46,453 --> 00:06:49,213 Speaker 6: as well as an in swinger, because he often comes 115 00:06:49,253 --> 00:06:52,573 Speaker 6: around quite wide on the crease around the wicket to 116 00:06:52,773 --> 00:06:56,613 Speaker 6: left handed batsman, and he's got to get it exactly right, 117 00:06:56,653 --> 00:06:58,533 Speaker 6: and he uses his swing to try and bring the 118 00:06:58,533 --> 00:07:01,333 Speaker 6: slips into play, but he's got to bring one back 119 00:07:01,373 --> 00:07:04,293 Speaker 6: as well. Otherwise they're just leaving it all the time. 120 00:07:04,813 --> 00:07:07,053 Speaker 6: So he's got a few little issues. But he's in 121 00:07:07,133 --> 00:07:10,333 Speaker 6: its early days. Wad how many has he had? Three tests? 122 00:07:10,613 --> 00:07:10,853 Speaker 7: Yeah? 123 00:07:10,973 --> 00:07:13,133 Speaker 3: So early keen. 124 00:07:12,973 --> 00:07:18,453 Speaker 6: Young man, and probably right now the red ball game 125 00:07:18,613 --> 00:07:22,213 Speaker 6: is for you know, is showing him a few things 126 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:25,493 Speaker 6: that the white ball doesn't. You know, he gets guys 127 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:27,093 Speaker 6: playing big shots at him. 128 00:07:27,773 --> 00:07:28,013 Speaker 4: You know. 129 00:07:28,093 --> 00:07:31,613 Speaker 2: I see him as a sort of vying with Nathan Smith, 130 00:07:32,813 --> 00:07:34,053 Speaker 2: similar kind of role. 131 00:07:34,573 --> 00:07:38,493 Speaker 5: Exactly, and he's got to improve both disciplines, both as 132 00:07:38,573 --> 00:07:41,333 Speaker 5: batting and his bowling. I'd say Smith is ahead in both. 133 00:07:42,053 --> 00:07:44,573 Speaker 5: I think Smith when he plays has been batting at eight. 134 00:07:44,733 --> 00:07:47,613 Speaker 5: But you know, I could certainly see him Betty higher 135 00:07:47,613 --> 00:07:50,773 Speaker 5: than that, and he's got a bit more He's got 136 00:07:50,773 --> 00:07:53,413 Speaker 5: a bit more zip to him from a bowling point 137 00:07:53,413 --> 00:07:57,693 Speaker 5: of view. But you know, he did okay, but both 138 00:07:57,773 --> 00:08:00,973 Speaker 5: disciplines would need to improve. Certainly. Jerry was on the 139 00:08:01,013 --> 00:08:03,173 Speaker 5: mark of the couple. I haven't seen enough of him 140 00:08:03,213 --> 00:08:05,893 Speaker 5: with the bat, but he's not I don't think he's 141 00:08:05,933 --> 00:08:07,253 Speaker 5: in Smith's league yet. 142 00:08:07,853 --> 00:08:11,613 Speaker 2: No, And the worrying thing from the Smith's point of 143 00:08:11,693 --> 00:08:15,533 Speaker 2: view is that you know he's injury prone, and I 144 00:08:15,573 --> 00:08:18,493 Speaker 2: just wonder whether his career is going to be blighted 145 00:08:18,613 --> 00:08:22,333 Speaker 2: by injuries. Are we going to get consistency from him? 146 00:08:23,213 --> 00:08:24,733 Speaker 2: That's worry, isn't it. 147 00:08:24,893 --> 00:08:28,013 Speaker 6: Wadd's yeah, I don't know what you can do about that. 148 00:08:28,093 --> 00:08:32,653 Speaker 6: It reminds me of a very different shaped gentleman called 149 00:08:32,733 --> 00:08:35,613 Speaker 6: Aoram who they tried to alter from his what you 150 00:08:35,733 --> 00:08:39,573 Speaker 6: might call his natural speed that he bowled at and 151 00:08:39,613 --> 00:08:42,893 Speaker 6: they tried to upgrade that to try and get more 152 00:08:42,893 --> 00:08:45,453 Speaker 6: out of him, and he then started having injuries. 153 00:08:45,813 --> 00:08:48,093 Speaker 3: Whether Smith is pushing. 154 00:08:47,733 --> 00:08:51,893 Speaker 6: His body too much, I don't know, but he's a 155 00:08:51,973 --> 00:08:56,773 Speaker 6: more of a skiddy type bowler, doesn't seem to and 156 00:08:56,853 --> 00:09:00,173 Speaker 6: appear to have the movement that's quite required yet at 157 00:09:00,253 --> 00:09:04,093 Speaker 6: international level to be dangerous if you can play the 158 00:09:04,133 --> 00:09:08,733 Speaker 6: line of the ball, and Rido's mentioned Australia. Basically, if 159 00:09:08,773 --> 00:09:11,133 Speaker 6: you bowl in Australia you can't move the ball or 160 00:09:11,213 --> 00:09:14,053 Speaker 6: hit the pitch really hard, you're in trouble. 161 00:09:15,373 --> 00:09:18,173 Speaker 3: You play through the line and you get you get hit. 162 00:09:18,293 --> 00:09:20,053 Speaker 3: I'm afraid interesting. 163 00:09:20,893 --> 00:09:24,093 Speaker 2: Kyle Jamison on press release. The reason why you haven't 164 00:09:24,413 --> 00:09:27,293 Speaker 2: heard the team before now, Jerry, is that it came 165 00:09:27,333 --> 00:09:29,773 Speaker 2: out while you and I were asleep and I just 166 00:09:29,813 --> 00:09:32,653 Speaker 2: happened to wake up. But part of the press release said. 167 00:09:32,653 --> 00:09:35,293 Speaker 5: Can't sleep in the middle of the afternoon. 168 00:09:37,053 --> 00:09:39,093 Speaker 2: Yeah, we still do. I've got to get an hour 169 00:09:39,213 --> 00:09:43,133 Speaker 2: just to get me through to the evening. Kyle Jamison 170 00:09:43,253 --> 00:09:44,053 Speaker 2: is I don't. 171 00:09:45,693 --> 00:09:48,893 Speaker 3: I'm not going to allow you to say that. Read Okay, so. 172 00:09:49,573 --> 00:09:52,733 Speaker 2: On commentary the other day, Jerry, Yeah no. 173 00:09:52,813 --> 00:09:54,173 Speaker 3: That was that was when I sleep. 174 00:09:54,773 --> 00:10:00,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Anyway, what New Zealand Cricket were telling us about. 175 00:10:00,453 --> 00:10:04,573 Speaker 2: Kyle Jamison's progressing well through his Red Bull return to 176 00:10:04,653 --> 00:10:08,333 Speaker 2: play plan. He'll continue to work closely with Black Caps 177 00:10:08,373 --> 00:10:12,773 Speaker 2: support staff on his return to the Test arena. Jamison 178 00:10:12,933 --> 00:10:16,653 Speaker 2: is working through a conditioning block after a full start 179 00:10:16,933 --> 00:10:20,373 Speaker 2: to the summer. What the hell does that mean? A 180 00:10:20,493 --> 00:10:23,173 Speaker 2: conditioning block? Did you ever do a conditioning block? 181 00:10:23,213 --> 00:10:23,453 Speaker 6: Reno? 182 00:10:23,813 --> 00:10:24,893 Speaker 2: Oh you know, I'm. 183 00:10:24,693 --> 00:10:28,933 Speaker 5: Sorry you probably yeah all the time. Yeah, yeah. I 184 00:10:29,893 --> 00:10:34,493 Speaker 5: sometimes think that Jerry's commanded the English language is better 185 00:10:34,493 --> 00:10:37,333 Speaker 5: than yours and mine. Wards, But sometimes some of these 186 00:10:37,333 --> 00:10:41,533 Speaker 5: statements that come out from semi corporatized sporting bodies that 187 00:10:41,773 --> 00:10:46,253 Speaker 5: just speak English, will you you know, I just don't 188 00:10:46,413 --> 00:10:47,413 Speaker 5: understand half of them. 189 00:10:48,853 --> 00:10:50,053 Speaker 2: Do you think he should be playing? 190 00:10:50,973 --> 00:10:52,893 Speaker 3: What? What is he in the team or not? Can 191 00:10:52,933 --> 00:10:53,413 Speaker 3: you tell me? 192 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:57,093 Speaker 6: The team just saying as buttell he can't buy both ends. 193 00:10:57,453 --> 00:11:01,293 Speaker 2: No, he's he's not on the team. Tom Blundell comes 194 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:06,413 Speaker 2: back in for Mitch Hay and the team remains the same. 195 00:11:06,493 --> 00:11:12,053 Speaker 2: So they've got, you know, basically got fourteen young Christian 196 00:11:12,093 --> 00:11:15,093 Speaker 2: Clark embrace. Will will probably stay out in my my thinking, 197 00:11:16,013 --> 00:11:19,013 Speaker 2: Patel should go. And if they're picking him on the 198 00:11:19,693 --> 00:11:22,933 Speaker 2: hope that there's going to be spin and the deck 199 00:11:23,093 --> 00:11:25,853 Speaker 2: up there, then they've got a plan, for God's sake. 200 00:11:26,133 --> 00:11:28,173 Speaker 5: When they play. When they plan, they've also got a 201 00:11:28,253 --> 00:11:28,653 Speaker 5: bowl on. 202 00:11:29,253 --> 00:11:33,253 Speaker 6: That's true, So is the bowling attack likely to be watched? 203 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:41,933 Speaker 6: Duffy Ray Folks and then two spinners Telling Phillips yeah yeah, 204 00:11:42,013 --> 00:11:43,933 Speaker 6: and a bit of a Revelder if you wanted him, 205 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:44,733 Speaker 6: and a bit of Mitchell. 206 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:47,453 Speaker 2: Yeah. But you don't really want to get to that, 207 00:11:47,573 --> 00:11:48,213 Speaker 2: do you not? 208 00:11:48,293 --> 00:11:48,613 Speaker 3: Really? 209 00:11:50,213 --> 00:11:51,333 Speaker 5: Who's not giving the ball? 210 00:11:51,813 --> 00:11:54,013 Speaker 2: Conway? Yeah? 211 00:11:54,173 --> 00:11:57,773 Speaker 6: We blundle with the pads on. He could always whip 212 00:11:57,853 --> 00:11:59,693 Speaker 6: those off. Williamson. 213 00:12:00,173 --> 00:12:03,733 Speaker 2: Williamson six hundred and ten runs short of ten thousand 214 00:12:03,853 --> 00:12:06,533 Speaker 2: Test runs? Do you reckon he's going to make it 215 00:12:06,933 --> 00:12:07,573 Speaker 2: ten thousand? 216 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:07,853 Speaker 3: Yep? 217 00:12:08,693 --> 00:12:14,013 Speaker 2: There's one Test here, there's three Tests in England. Would 218 00:12:14,013 --> 00:12:15,293 Speaker 2: that be enough or as you have to go on 219 00:12:15,373 --> 00:12:16,813 Speaker 2: to Australia next summer? 220 00:12:17,973 --> 00:12:20,773 Speaker 5: Well, I think if if his body holds together, he'll 221 00:12:20,813 --> 00:12:22,813 Speaker 5: want to finish in Australia. That'll be my pick. 222 00:12:23,773 --> 00:12:27,893 Speaker 6: Are there games against Sri Lanka after the Australian tour watch. 223 00:12:29,293 --> 00:12:31,533 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what is happening. I mean, we've got 224 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:35,733 Speaker 2: India coming out here next year and Sri Lanka four 225 00:12:35,773 --> 00:12:38,173 Speaker 2: Test matches, so that would be enough, wouldn't it get 226 00:12:38,173 --> 00:12:39,653 Speaker 2: six hundred and ten runs? 227 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:40,693 Speaker 6: Yeah? 228 00:12:41,453 --> 00:12:43,693 Speaker 5: I would think he would try and get to the 229 00:12:43,813 --> 00:12:46,893 Speaker 5: back end of next season and that might be I 230 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:48,573 Speaker 5: don't know how old Kane is now he must be 231 00:12:48,653 --> 00:12:51,253 Speaker 5: thirty five to thirty six, and you know when we 232 00:12:51,293 --> 00:12:54,733 Speaker 5: played thirty five, thirty six was old. And you know 233 00:12:54,813 --> 00:12:58,493 Speaker 5: these guys are much fitter, and you know the sports 234 00:12:58,533 --> 00:13:02,093 Speaker 5: science that goes into stuff. Now, I think age is relative. 235 00:13:02,213 --> 00:13:06,013 Speaker 5: But your eyesight does start to play a few tricks 236 00:13:06,013 --> 00:13:06,373 Speaker 5: with you. 237 00:13:06,933 --> 00:13:10,293 Speaker 6: And I think that is just there are just suggestions. 238 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:12,693 Speaker 6: All I can say is the words suggestions of it, 239 00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:19,173 Speaker 6: just a weave it. He's unfortunately he's batted on a 240 00:13:19,213 --> 00:13:22,973 Speaker 6: pitch at Hagley Oval which nipped about the first morning 241 00:13:23,133 --> 00:13:26,693 Speaker 6: when New Zealand batted first, he did the same, you know, 242 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:30,413 Speaker 6: nipped about actually at the base and most most of 243 00:13:30,453 --> 00:13:35,413 Speaker 6: the Test match really and so he's missing more deliveries 244 00:13:35,413 --> 00:13:38,973 Speaker 6: than I'm seeing him in the past. He's playing and 245 00:13:39,053 --> 00:13:42,533 Speaker 6: missing now whether that's just the pitch, and I'm sure 246 00:13:42,573 --> 00:13:45,693 Speaker 6: he'll feel it might be, but the feet aren't quite 247 00:13:45,893 --> 00:13:47,893 Speaker 6: squaring up a little bit more. I'm seeing more of 248 00:13:47,933 --> 00:13:51,573 Speaker 6: his back shoulder, so that usually affects the back pass 249 00:13:52,013 --> 00:13:55,493 Speaker 6: and comes from outside, you know, instead of behind you. 250 00:13:55,573 --> 00:13:58,093 Speaker 6: It tends to come across the ball slightly, so you 251 00:13:58,213 --> 00:14:01,973 Speaker 6: miss it or you present an edge. There are just 252 00:14:02,173 --> 00:14:06,133 Speaker 6: little signs now that's I'm not suggesting that that's the 253 00:14:06,293 --> 00:14:09,413 Speaker 6: end of Williamson or anything like that. He's one of 254 00:14:09,453 --> 00:14:13,853 Speaker 6: our premiere players for a long time and he may 255 00:14:13,973 --> 00:14:18,413 Speaker 6: find bay Oval, which historically is an easier place to 256 00:14:18,493 --> 00:14:22,933 Speaker 6: bat than the basin and Hagley with grass on it. 257 00:14:24,853 --> 00:14:27,573 Speaker 3: So we'll wait and see. We'll wait and see. 258 00:14:27,573 --> 00:14:32,413 Speaker 6: But he hasn't looked his easy self drives down the ground, 259 00:14:32,853 --> 00:14:35,613 Speaker 6: drives you know what I mean that he's looking for 260 00:14:35,653 --> 00:14:37,813 Speaker 6: a short ball to cut or to pull at the moment. 261 00:14:38,573 --> 00:14:43,173 Speaker 2: I mean he's one of those players who doesn't appear 262 00:14:43,253 --> 00:14:46,413 Speaker 2: to me as driven by stats. But I mean stats 263 00:14:46,573 --> 00:14:49,053 Speaker 2: are still significant, aren't they in what you do at 264 00:14:49,093 --> 00:14:52,613 Speaker 2: the top level. But it would be nice, I think 265 00:14:52,613 --> 00:14:55,933 Speaker 2: if he was able to achieve the stat of ten 266 00:14:55,973 --> 00:14:58,693 Speaker 2: thousand Test runs, because I think he'll be the only 267 00:14:58,733 --> 00:15:02,093 Speaker 2: New Zealander to do it, we won't see many other 268 00:15:02,213 --> 00:15:04,693 Speaker 2: opportunities in the future of players to get ten thousand 269 00:15:04,733 --> 00:15:05,973 Speaker 2: Test runs for this country. 270 00:15:06,613 --> 00:15:10,013 Speaker 5: No, that's right, and we both know people who are 271 00:15:10,053 --> 00:15:13,773 Speaker 5: only driven by stats. But I don't think I've ever 272 00:15:13,853 --> 00:15:16,693 Speaker 5: met a cricketer who isn't aware of their own stats. 273 00:15:18,373 --> 00:15:22,573 Speaker 5: And he will be wanting to get six hundred odd runs. 274 00:15:22,893 --> 00:15:25,093 Speaker 5: You know, I've got absolutely no doubt. But he's not 275 00:15:25,173 --> 00:15:28,813 Speaker 5: the type of personality to say I'm going to you know, 276 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:31,493 Speaker 5: it's a it's an aim, and I you know, I 277 00:15:31,573 --> 00:15:33,173 Speaker 5: want to average a hundred, you know, I want to 278 00:15:33,213 --> 00:15:35,293 Speaker 5: average eighty and the next four tests to do it. 279 00:15:35,773 --> 00:15:38,493 Speaker 5: You know, he's just not wired that way. He'll be 280 00:15:38,533 --> 00:15:41,333 Speaker 5: he'll be nice and low key, but it'll be it'll 281 00:15:41,373 --> 00:15:44,093 Speaker 5: be a goal, but it won't be well, you won't 282 00:15:44,093 --> 00:15:47,333 Speaker 5: open up his coffin and find it taped to the 283 00:15:47,533 --> 00:15:48,373 Speaker 5: tape to the lid. 284 00:15:49,093 --> 00:15:51,093 Speaker 2: The butchering a number three days for the black Caps 285 00:15:51,133 --> 00:15:54,253 Speaker 2: then seems convincing that I'm not sure it was as 286 00:15:54,293 --> 00:15:57,413 Speaker 2: emphatic as they would want. There's still plenty to improve 287 00:15:57,453 --> 00:16:00,413 Speaker 2: on half the test. I decided to elicit the views 288 00:16:00,453 --> 00:16:03,453 Speaker 2: of a man who's enjoyed success at the base in reserve, 289 00:16:04,173 --> 00:16:08,253 Speaker 2: best Test bowling figures and best Test score, a man 290 00:16:08,413 --> 00:16:11,973 Speaker 2: well versed in knocking the opposition over now doing the 291 00:16:11,973 --> 00:16:15,653 Speaker 2: same on TV commentary. You're Wagner, how are you enjoying 292 00:16:15,653 --> 00:16:16,173 Speaker 2: the new role? 293 00:16:17,013 --> 00:16:20,613 Speaker 7: Yeah, enjoying its thanks Wat's do fair learning experience, trying 294 00:16:20,613 --> 00:16:23,373 Speaker 7: to find my feet and yeah, a lot that goes 295 00:16:23,413 --> 00:16:26,013 Speaker 7: on behind the scenes that you weren't aware of a 296 00:16:26,053 --> 00:16:28,653 Speaker 7: lot of people are aware of, especially when you play 297 00:16:28,693 --> 00:16:31,413 Speaker 7: the game. Just a lot of things to bring that 298 00:16:31,493 --> 00:16:35,253 Speaker 7: production out of the world. So, yeah, learning, learning as 299 00:16:35,253 --> 00:16:37,893 Speaker 7: I go on, and starting to get more confident and 300 00:16:38,093 --> 00:16:40,653 Speaker 7: feel more positive as it sort of goes on. But yeah, 301 00:16:40,693 --> 00:16:43,453 Speaker 7: enjoying it. It's nice to stay involved in the game 302 00:16:43,453 --> 00:16:45,533 Speaker 7: that I loved and been involved with for so long. 303 00:16:46,773 --> 00:16:48,853 Speaker 7: It's a nice way to, yeah, to be able to 304 00:16:48,853 --> 00:16:51,573 Speaker 7: watch cricket and to talk about I guess those experiences 305 00:16:51,573 --> 00:16:53,333 Speaker 7: and knowledge and be able to share around. 306 00:16:53,773 --> 00:16:55,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, from your your point of view, I suppose it's 307 00:16:55,693 --> 00:16:57,413 Speaker 2: a same stress around test credit. 308 00:16:57,973 --> 00:17:00,333 Speaker 4: Slightly different, Yeah, definitely slightly different. 309 00:17:00,453 --> 00:17:02,893 Speaker 7: You don't have the excellent stress of being out there 310 00:17:02,893 --> 00:17:05,093 Speaker 7: having to perform, and sometimes that coul al must be 311 00:17:05,133 --> 00:17:07,293 Speaker 7: worse because you want to be out there and enjoying. 312 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:10,333 Speaker 4: Yourself because you don't have troil over things. But yeah, 313 00:17:10,413 --> 00:17:11,253 Speaker 4: definitely a little bit of. 314 00:17:11,213 --> 00:17:13,093 Speaker 7: Anxiety and nerves on them, which is quite nice to 315 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,533 Speaker 7: be able to replicate their feeling with your head when 316 00:17:15,533 --> 00:17:18,813 Speaker 7: you when you bay cricket. But it's a it's a yeah, 317 00:17:18,973 --> 00:17:20,813 Speaker 7: it's an awesome way to stay involved made and like 318 00:17:20,813 --> 00:17:23,773 Speaker 7: I said, I'm still learning, but yeah, but yeah, great 319 00:17:23,773 --> 00:17:26,453 Speaker 7: to see, you know, the definitis on a cricket. 320 00:17:26,093 --> 00:17:28,733 Speaker 4: And being being tested and people standing up using their 321 00:17:28,733 --> 00:17:29,733 Speaker 4: opportunity this week. 322 00:17:29,813 --> 00:17:31,853 Speaker 2: Yeah, while your experience, of course takes you into the 323 00:17:31,893 --> 00:17:33,733 Speaker 2: country box, you know what it's like to about a 324 00:17:33,733 --> 00:17:35,893 Speaker 2: little less the important part of the role. Talk about 325 00:17:35,933 --> 00:17:38,933 Speaker 2: the test and what went on here West and these 326 00:17:38,973 --> 00:17:41,373 Speaker 2: two steps forward and christ shit two steps back? Here 327 00:17:41,413 --> 00:17:41,973 Speaker 2: did they Well? 328 00:17:42,013 --> 00:17:43,853 Speaker 4: I think they started really well. They showed some promise. 329 00:17:43,893 --> 00:17:46,853 Speaker 7: I thought they apply themselves nicely the crease and and 330 00:17:46,853 --> 00:17:51,013 Speaker 7: and I thought they played really prayed really wealth will start. 331 00:17:51,053 --> 00:17:53,573 Speaker 7: They all got starts, they built in a partnership. They've 332 00:17:53,653 --> 00:17:57,293 Speaker 7: just been able to depth long enough and to kick on. Yeah, 333 00:17:57,293 --> 00:17:59,893 Speaker 7: the frustrating things obviously they lose wickets and clumps which 334 00:18:00,173 --> 00:18:02,413 Speaker 7: put them under pressure, but that's scripted to the black Caps. 335 00:18:02,413 --> 00:18:05,173 Speaker 7: And I thought the way they bowled and the way 336 00:18:05,213 --> 00:18:07,053 Speaker 7: they feeled it, I thought the guys everyone had to 337 00:18:07,093 --> 00:18:10,213 Speaker 7: impact on the field. Things grow from from crist set 338 00:18:10,293 --> 00:18:12,893 Speaker 7: and conditions was different again, which I thought was more 339 00:18:12,893 --> 00:18:14,333 Speaker 7: in favor of his Zealand bowlers. 340 00:18:15,533 --> 00:18:18,053 Speaker 4: But yeah, there was there was areas where they put 341 00:18:18,093 --> 00:18:18,573 Speaker 4: in his Zellan and. 342 00:18:18,573 --> 00:18:20,893 Speaker 7: Uppression, they look like they could get ahead of the game. 343 00:18:20,973 --> 00:18:23,533 Speaker 7: They just couldn't quite put it together for long enough. 344 00:18:24,053 --> 00:18:26,733 Speaker 7: And that's what New Zealand did. They under pressure, they 345 00:18:26,733 --> 00:18:30,053 Speaker 7: found ways of building partnerships and getting him to the title. 346 00:18:30,053 --> 00:18:31,253 Speaker 4: They've got into a lead. 347 00:18:31,053 --> 00:18:34,093 Speaker 7: And then as a bowling unit they bowled together and 348 00:18:34,453 --> 00:18:36,093 Speaker 7: got the ball in the right ears for longer. 349 00:18:36,093 --> 00:18:37,773 Speaker 4: I thought their a depted better than what we're seeing. 350 00:18:37,773 --> 00:18:40,853 Speaker 2: Is that You're real area of expertise is with the 351 00:18:40,893 --> 00:18:45,213 Speaker 2: bowling and you talk about the depth being tested and 352 00:18:45,293 --> 00:18:48,253 Speaker 2: it certainly has been now where we're really getting down 353 00:18:48,653 --> 00:18:51,213 Speaker 2: in dept. And it's great that they can still come forward. 354 00:18:50,933 --> 00:18:51,613 Speaker 4: Through these players. 355 00:18:51,653 --> 00:18:54,733 Speaker 7: Well it shows you know, definitely you said domestic cricket, 356 00:18:54,813 --> 00:18:57,333 Speaker 7: but also in the way that people have been able 357 00:18:57,333 --> 00:19:00,573 Speaker 7: to perform and domestic cricket shows are strong the messic gamers, 358 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:04,173 Speaker 7: but you face conditions that's similar. So when you do 359 00:19:04,213 --> 00:19:07,013 Speaker 7: a role like Michael Ray's done for Canterbury, being able 360 00:19:07,053 --> 00:19:09,093 Speaker 7: to come in and do it's exactly what he's been 361 00:19:09,133 --> 00:19:12,413 Speaker 7: doing and know that it's good enough to be able 362 00:19:12,413 --> 00:19:13,893 Speaker 7: to do in test cricket, it's just to be able 363 00:19:13,893 --> 00:19:16,053 Speaker 7: to do it for long enough. You realize that wickets 364 00:19:16,093 --> 00:19:19,213 Speaker 7: to get flatter quicker and you have to have the 365 00:19:19,253 --> 00:19:22,253 Speaker 7: wicket harder and your marginal were as smaller. So as 366 00:19:22,253 --> 00:19:25,293 Speaker 7: soon as you miss international guys capitalizing it quite quickly. 367 00:19:25,413 --> 00:19:27,133 Speaker 4: So I thought they've done well again. 368 00:19:27,173 --> 00:19:29,933 Speaker 7: Like I said, it shows the depth and how good 369 00:19:29,973 --> 00:19:32,853 Speaker 7: his Onllic Cricket have done domestically and hopefully it can 370 00:19:32,893 --> 00:19:35,533 Speaker 7: continue because now at the moment, all those bottles away, 371 00:19:35,573 --> 00:19:38,213 Speaker 7: the domestic game is an appointment that's going to get 372 00:19:38,253 --> 00:19:41,573 Speaker 7: tested again too, So it's growing opportunities all around. 373 00:19:41,893 --> 00:19:45,053 Speaker 2: You know that that ball is getting that's a factored light. 374 00:19:45,653 --> 00:19:48,893 Speaker 2: But are we putting them too much under cotton morson 375 00:19:48,933 --> 00:19:50,813 Speaker 2: on the bowls and not using them. I mean I've 376 00:19:50,853 --> 00:19:52,613 Speaker 2: heard that those who are being left out in the 377 00:19:52,653 --> 00:19:54,053 Speaker 2: babno want to be playing. 378 00:19:54,413 --> 00:19:55,413 Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to be playing. 379 00:19:55,693 --> 00:19:57,933 Speaker 7: There's the argument that you know they have not played 380 00:19:58,013 --> 00:20:00,373 Speaker 7: enough cricket and not have the overs under the belt. 381 00:20:00,493 --> 00:20:02,293 Speaker 4: That's a problem to be able to look into. 382 00:20:02,693 --> 00:20:06,453 Speaker 7: How can they prepare better and get themselves I guess 383 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:08,013 Speaker 7: ready to play test cricket. 384 00:20:08,853 --> 00:20:09,853 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a concern. 385 00:20:09,893 --> 00:20:12,293 Speaker 7: It is because of I guess obviously a lot of 386 00:20:12,693 --> 00:20:14,933 Speaker 7: T twenty cricket at the moment is a big diet 387 00:20:14,933 --> 00:20:17,453 Speaker 7: of four at cricket and Test cricket. So the guys 388 00:20:17,453 --> 00:20:19,733 Speaker 7: are not getting the workload and that they need, and 389 00:20:19,773 --> 00:20:23,093 Speaker 7: they are not getting the conditioning they need because of 390 00:20:23,093 --> 00:20:25,333 Speaker 7: all the formats around the world. So so yeah, it's 391 00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:27,173 Speaker 7: definitely concern all around the world at the moment, not 392 00:20:27,253 --> 00:20:29,093 Speaker 7: just in New Zealand, but it's something that needs to 393 00:20:29,093 --> 00:20:29,653 Speaker 7: be addressed. 394 00:20:29,853 --> 00:20:32,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you've got to get away the test over, 395 00:20:32,373 --> 00:20:35,093 Speaker 2: you're heading off home and what do you expect from 396 00:20:35,373 --> 00:20:38,533 Speaker 2: momentuing will the pitch be the same as here as Christiers? How, 397 00:20:38,573 --> 00:20:39,933 Speaker 2: pictures are pretty similar, aren't they. 398 00:20:40,093 --> 00:20:41,653 Speaker 4: Yeah? Not in Bay Oval. 399 00:20:41,693 --> 00:20:43,373 Speaker 7: I think just because of the weather they're at dryer, 400 00:20:43,453 --> 00:20:47,333 Speaker 7: the surface is dryer, the grounds different, different outfield and grass. 401 00:20:48,213 --> 00:20:51,093 Speaker 7: I expect there's going to be a dryer surface. I 402 00:20:51,093 --> 00:20:52,973 Speaker 7: expect because of the workload of all the bowlers, they 403 00:20:53,013 --> 00:20:54,253 Speaker 7: might go spin heavy. 404 00:20:55,253 --> 00:20:58,373 Speaker 4: It might just be three seamers and by the extra spinners. 405 00:20:58,373 --> 00:21:00,493 Speaker 7: That's what I'm kind of thinking, just to be able 406 00:21:00,533 --> 00:21:03,893 Speaker 7: to manage that workload and not get bollers to fall injured. Again, 407 00:21:04,573 --> 00:21:07,533 Speaker 7: it's also a way of getting a mode of dismissal 408 00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:10,253 Speaker 7: over there. So yeah, it's going to be interesting that 409 00:21:10,253 --> 00:21:11,893 Speaker 7: it might play more to west than his end, but 410 00:21:11,893 --> 00:21:13,573 Speaker 7: again that will test as yell and bollers. 411 00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:17,773 Speaker 2: And is it you had to develop variety of deliveries? 412 00:21:18,173 --> 00:21:20,613 Speaker 2: How how hard is that as a bowler, How much 413 00:21:20,693 --> 00:21:23,173 Speaker 2: time you have to spend doing something different with the 414 00:21:23,573 --> 00:21:27,093 Speaker 2: wobble scene, with all these different varieties that botlers have got. 415 00:21:27,213 --> 00:21:28,613 Speaker 7: Well, the more time you spend out of the middle, 416 00:21:28,693 --> 00:21:29,973 Speaker 7: the quick you start working that out. 417 00:21:29,973 --> 00:21:32,173 Speaker 4: And I think it's you know, you start seeing. 418 00:21:31,893 --> 00:21:34,893 Speaker 7: Guys developing those skills the longer they play first class 419 00:21:34,933 --> 00:21:37,133 Speaker 7: cricket and tapping to what's. 420 00:21:36,973 --> 00:21:37,453 Speaker 4: In front of you. 421 00:21:37,573 --> 00:21:39,413 Speaker 7: It's something that I've learned over a period of time 422 00:21:39,413 --> 00:21:41,893 Speaker 7: playing and like you said, the experience of first class 423 00:21:41,893 --> 00:21:45,613 Speaker 7: cricket and experienceive cricket all around the world, you start, 424 00:21:45,733 --> 00:21:49,213 Speaker 7: you know, trying to work on those different variations to 425 00:21:49,253 --> 00:21:52,093 Speaker 7: add to your repetite to be able to compete witheever 426 00:21:52,453 --> 00:21:55,573 Speaker 7: as a call upon so really seeing that it's just 427 00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,813 Speaker 7: the thing of the step up into international crickets is 428 00:21:58,853 --> 00:22:00,373 Speaker 7: trying to be more consistent for longer. 429 00:22:00,733 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 2: I hate to get away. I know you've got to 430 00:22:02,533 --> 00:22:05,333 Speaker 2: trip to Beharness. Crackton had you back here and willing there. 431 00:22:05,693 --> 00:22:08,413 Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you again about the finer things 432 00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:08,773 Speaker 2: of cricket. 433 00:22:08,813 --> 00:22:10,653 Speaker 4: Thanks Wag definitely, well, thanks for It's nice. 434 00:22:10,493 --> 00:22:14,813 Speaker 1: To talk to Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front 435 00:22:14,813 --> 00:22:15,813 Speaker 1: foot last. 436 00:22:15,653 --> 00:22:18,893 Speaker 2: Week on the front foot we asked for transparency, what 437 00:22:19,053 --> 00:22:22,453 Speaker 2: is being planned and how should decisions be made? Don't 438 00:22:22,493 --> 00:22:25,573 Speaker 2: we need everybody singing from the same page rather than 439 00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:30,413 Speaker 2: a cacophony of silence seemingly costing a fortune the moment 440 00:22:30,453 --> 00:22:33,613 Speaker 2: you have cases and now that's King's Counsels for those 441 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:37,173 Speaker 2: who don't know what I'm talking about. You're starting to 442 00:22:37,333 --> 00:22:40,613 Speaker 2: hemorrhage money. Aren't you better used for the development of 443 00:22:40,653 --> 00:22:45,293 Speaker 2: the game, and that's the job of cricket administrators. Ride 444 00:22:45,773 --> 00:22:49,733 Speaker 2: You've been involved in administration of the game in the 445 00:22:49,813 --> 00:22:52,773 Speaker 2: New Zealand. You've been the CEO at Canterbury, you've been 446 00:22:53,093 --> 00:22:56,893 Speaker 2: where you are now the Chief executive of Capital Football, 447 00:22:56,893 --> 00:23:00,453 Speaker 2: and you've had other administrative roles. You worked through the 448 00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:05,973 Speaker 2: contract issue of the year what round about two thousand 449 00:23:06,133 --> 00:23:09,173 Speaker 2: wasn't which was pretty a serious in terms of the 450 00:23:09,213 --> 00:23:12,173 Speaker 2: development of our players. And the involvement of our players. 451 00:23:12,253 --> 00:23:16,693 Speaker 2: What are you making of this current situation over particularly 452 00:23:16,933 --> 00:23:19,773 Speaker 2: the T twenty, but other issues in cricket administration. 453 00:23:21,093 --> 00:23:24,653 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think they're all linked and 454 00:23:24,853 --> 00:23:29,653 Speaker 5: some of them are a bit of a misnoma, and 455 00:23:29,733 --> 00:23:32,293 Speaker 5: we seem to be focusing and on the proposed new 456 00:23:32,733 --> 00:23:37,333 Speaker 5: T twenty competition initially. And you know, I don't think 457 00:23:37,373 --> 00:23:44,693 Speaker 5: anyone's anti private money coming into the game, and if 458 00:23:44,693 --> 00:23:47,613 Speaker 5: it does, that's that's okay, but it needs to come 459 00:23:47,653 --> 00:23:51,213 Speaker 5: with some parameters attached to it. And what I can't 460 00:23:51,253 --> 00:23:55,533 Speaker 5: figure out is that the MAS want to be involved 461 00:23:56,013 --> 00:24:01,653 Speaker 5: in the private money but New Zealand Cricket isn't, And 462 00:24:02,053 --> 00:24:04,613 Speaker 5: I just sort of don't get that. You know, for 463 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:10,373 Speaker 5: twenty five years, New Zealand Cricket have basically unders and 464 00:24:10,853 --> 00:24:13,853 Speaker 5: there isn't a major association currently that gets less than 465 00:24:13,893 --> 00:24:18,053 Speaker 5: seventy percent of their income from New Zealand cricket. And 466 00:24:18,133 --> 00:24:21,493 Speaker 5: the money that comes in from that, you know, funds 467 00:24:21,533 --> 00:24:24,373 Speaker 5: the game. It goes it goes right down. So there 468 00:24:24,453 --> 00:24:28,413 Speaker 5: certainly seems to be a discannect between New Zealand Cricket 469 00:24:28,813 --> 00:24:33,733 Speaker 5: and the major associations who I don't know what their 470 00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:38,733 Speaker 5: motivation is. But it does seem very very disjointed at 471 00:24:38,773 --> 00:24:42,293 Speaker 5: the moment. And certainly there's some stuff in the background 472 00:24:42,613 --> 00:24:45,413 Speaker 5: that with the with the with the chief executive that 473 00:24:46,293 --> 00:24:50,573 Speaker 5: appears to be real and that's unfortunate. You know, well, 474 00:24:50,773 --> 00:24:52,853 Speaker 5: we all know him and have known him for a while. 475 00:24:53,373 --> 00:24:57,173 Speaker 5: He's pretty competent young man. He you know, he is 476 00:24:57,173 --> 00:25:00,693 Speaker 5: what he is, but he's you know, he's he's not 477 00:25:00,773 --> 00:25:03,613 Speaker 5: hopeless at what he does. And I don't think we 478 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:09,933 Speaker 5: have very many wonderfully competent administrators in the game to 479 00:25:10,933 --> 00:25:14,573 Speaker 5: be able to just give up on some because they 480 00:25:14,573 --> 00:25:18,733 Speaker 5: can sometimes do a bit difficult to deal with. And 481 00:25:18,813 --> 00:25:20,933 Speaker 5: there are you know, there are other bits and pieces. 482 00:25:20,973 --> 00:25:22,733 Speaker 5: You know, the New Zealand Cricket are trying to run 483 00:25:22,773 --> 00:25:24,813 Speaker 5: a process with Deloitte to have a look at all 484 00:25:24,853 --> 00:25:28,413 Speaker 5: the options, which I think is a good idea. I'm 485 00:25:28,453 --> 00:25:32,333 Speaker 5: not sure whether the other parties are contributing as much 486 00:25:32,413 --> 00:25:34,733 Speaker 5: as they should should to be able to do that. 487 00:25:35,253 --> 00:25:37,933 Speaker 5: But there's some questions was that you need to ask yourself? 488 00:25:38,093 --> 00:25:41,253 Speaker 5: Is you know, for years New Zealand Cricket's been trying 489 00:25:41,293 --> 00:25:44,133 Speaker 5: to get into the Big Bash and all of a sudden, 490 00:25:44,213 --> 00:25:46,533 Speaker 5: the Aussies are sort of saying, well, yeah, we wouldn't 491 00:25:46,573 --> 00:25:49,493 Speaker 5: mind you in the Big Bash. Well, there can only 492 00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:52,573 Speaker 5: be really one reason for that that their business isn't 493 00:25:52,573 --> 00:25:55,453 Speaker 5: probably going as well as it used to. And if 494 00:25:55,493 --> 00:25:57,973 Speaker 5: that's the case, you'd have to say the Big Bash 495 00:25:58,013 --> 00:26:02,573 Speaker 5: at some stage would be a prime candidate for an 496 00:26:02,613 --> 00:26:07,013 Speaker 5: offshore investor like the Indian money. Surely that's more attractive 497 00:26:07,453 --> 00:26:11,293 Speaker 5: at some stage than setting up a league in New 498 00:26:11,373 --> 00:26:14,853 Speaker 5: Zealand which is operating at the same time frame against 499 00:26:14,893 --> 00:26:18,733 Speaker 5: the South Africans and the Aussies. And so I start 500 00:26:18,773 --> 00:26:20,893 Speaker 5: to question all of that. I think, you know, who 501 00:26:20,933 --> 00:26:23,453 Speaker 5: are the people that we would be able to attract 502 00:26:23,573 --> 00:26:26,653 Speaker 5: to play in this league. Would it be a prerequisite 503 00:26:26,693 --> 00:26:29,813 Speaker 5: that all the top New Zealand players would play in 504 00:26:29,813 --> 00:26:32,853 Speaker 5: this league? To say, take Kane Williamson, if he got 505 00:26:32,853 --> 00:26:36,173 Speaker 5: an offer from South Africa which was worth more, what 506 00:26:36,213 --> 00:26:40,133 Speaker 5: would he do? Well, I guess I know what I'd do, 507 00:26:40,173 --> 00:26:43,493 Speaker 5: you know. So there's all these unanswerables and it's like 508 00:26:43,573 --> 00:26:46,213 Speaker 5: a sort of magpie with a little shiny object and 509 00:26:46,253 --> 00:26:49,493 Speaker 5: everyone's just sort of gravitating towards it. I think if 510 00:26:49,493 --> 00:26:53,093 Speaker 5: you went back to or three years and compared to 511 00:26:53,133 --> 00:26:55,733 Speaker 5: what's happening now to the silver Lake deal. I'll bet 512 00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:59,733 Speaker 5: you everybody wish they had their time again. You know, 513 00:26:59,813 --> 00:27:03,613 Speaker 5: the silver Lake deal was, you know, isn't a great deal. 514 00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:08,293 Speaker 5: And you know, I just really weary and I'd really 515 00:27:08,573 --> 00:27:13,133 Speaker 5: encourage people to just step back a little bit. It's 516 00:27:13,173 --> 00:27:15,573 Speaker 5: just a cess what's going on here. Let's get the 517 00:27:15,613 --> 00:27:20,373 Speaker 5: personality conflicts out of the way and just get some calm, 518 00:27:20,533 --> 00:27:23,053 Speaker 5: cool heads around the place. Don't seem to be very 519 00:27:23,053 --> 00:27:23,813 Speaker 5: many at the moment. 520 00:27:24,293 --> 00:27:26,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point, Gerry. I mean you would 521 00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:28,773 Speaker 2: have been talking about this issue, I'm sure during the 522 00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:31,733 Speaker 2: Test match with a lot of other people. And what 523 00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:36,253 Speaker 2: we ask for is, you know, a discussion without any animosity, 524 00:27:36,293 --> 00:27:40,093 Speaker 2: without any vitriol, and to discuss the issues what is 525 00:27:40,173 --> 00:27:43,013 Speaker 2: best for New Zealand and New Zealand cricketer. Is that 526 00:27:43,213 --> 00:27:46,613 Speaker 2: not a fairly simple thing. We talked about that last week. 527 00:27:47,453 --> 00:27:48,893 Speaker 3: Simple thing to say, wadds. 528 00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:55,013 Speaker 6: Maybe more difficult when you're involved in it to just 529 00:27:55,653 --> 00:28:01,333 Speaker 6: find that distance. Yeah, lots of turbulence and discussions swirling 530 00:28:01,373 --> 00:28:05,573 Speaker 6: around the Test match, not about the game, but more 531 00:28:05,573 --> 00:28:09,293 Speaker 6: about the maneuverings of the boar than the CEO and 532 00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:12,133 Speaker 6: the MAS and the fourth option that you know, the 533 00:28:12,253 --> 00:28:14,213 Speaker 6: twenty twenty competition. 534 00:28:16,213 --> 00:28:16,653 Speaker 3: I don't know. 535 00:28:16,733 --> 00:28:21,453 Speaker 6: I was thinking what on earth I could say today 536 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:26,613 Speaker 6: than what I said last week. But I couldn't understand 537 00:28:26,653 --> 00:28:30,133 Speaker 6: the need for the secrecy and the silence and the 538 00:28:30,213 --> 00:28:34,533 Speaker 6: lack of detail about that fourth option, which is the 539 00:28:34,533 --> 00:28:37,813 Speaker 6: one about the consortium and so on, and after all, 540 00:28:37,853 --> 00:28:39,133 Speaker 6: I mean, it seemed to me if it was the 541 00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:42,133 Speaker 6: best option for New Zealand cricket, then deloittees would recommend it. 542 00:28:42,173 --> 00:28:50,853 Speaker 6: Surely I didn't understand the ma's silence people in charge 543 00:28:50,853 --> 00:28:54,973 Speaker 6: of running the cricket in the regions, you know, clearly 544 00:28:55,373 --> 00:28:57,893 Speaker 6: with no one talking, there was a code of silence 545 00:28:59,373 --> 00:29:03,133 Speaker 6: from them. And about this fourth option. Now, the usual 546 00:29:03,213 --> 00:29:06,333 Speaker 6: arrangements as I understand it, with franchise teams and private 547 00:29:06,333 --> 00:29:10,853 Speaker 6: equity entering a competition that's not run by the controlling 548 00:29:10,893 --> 00:29:14,813 Speaker 6: board in that country is that money travels to the board, 549 00:29:16,533 --> 00:29:20,453 Speaker 6: you know, who have approved the competition and they provided 550 00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:24,933 Speaker 6: facilities like grounds and organized the calendar and so on 551 00:29:25,813 --> 00:29:30,853 Speaker 6: in order for it to run smoothly. But what if 552 00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:34,813 Speaker 6: the money doesn't travel in that direction to the board 553 00:29:36,053 --> 00:29:41,053 Speaker 6: and it takes a different route and removes them, you know, 554 00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:44,413 Speaker 6: from it, and in this case the MAAS so instead 555 00:29:44,453 --> 00:29:46,533 Speaker 6: of going to the board, it goes to the MS 556 00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:50,813 Speaker 6: and they run the matches in the regions on behalf 557 00:29:50,853 --> 00:29:53,213 Speaker 6: of the board, well. 558 00:29:53,173 --> 00:29:57,133 Speaker 5: The owner of the league and excluding the and it 559 00:29:57,213 --> 00:29:58,253 Speaker 5: excludes the board. 560 00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:02,413 Speaker 3: That's right, understanding, that's right. That was mine. 561 00:30:02,573 --> 00:30:07,053 Speaker 6: I started to get that as well. And now you 562 00:30:07,093 --> 00:30:09,973 Speaker 6: can imagine of each of those six entities, those mas 563 00:30:10,013 --> 00:30:13,813 Speaker 6: Auckland and Wellington and ND and all, that they had 564 00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,533 Speaker 6: the chance to receive a large sum of money, way 565 00:30:16,573 --> 00:30:20,173 Speaker 6: bigger than normal than a standard for them. And they 566 00:30:20,213 --> 00:30:25,093 Speaker 6: could see the opportunity of complementing all their programs and 567 00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:28,973 Speaker 6: adding to facilities and lights and all the upgrades and 568 00:30:29,053 --> 00:30:31,893 Speaker 6: so on that they obviously dreamed about. 569 00:30:32,253 --> 00:30:34,453 Speaker 3: That's a windfall, that's. 570 00:30:34,293 --> 00:30:37,533 Speaker 6: A chance to change things in their region. Now that 571 00:30:37,653 --> 00:30:41,213 Speaker 6: might even render silence, And that makes it kind of 572 00:30:41,613 --> 00:30:42,773 Speaker 6: a bit of sense to me. 573 00:30:42,893 --> 00:30:46,773 Speaker 3: Now I'm starting to understand why that has happened. 574 00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:52,533 Speaker 6: I also wondered why the change by those working on 575 00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:55,813 Speaker 6: behalf of the potential owners. Why'd they change from that? 576 00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:59,053 Speaker 6: Why didn't they go to the board. Well, if they 577 00:30:59,213 --> 00:31:04,053 Speaker 6: felt the New Zealand Board was being obstructive in any 578 00:31:04,133 --> 00:31:08,573 Speaker 6: way or not open to their option. They might seek 579 00:31:08,573 --> 00:31:12,333 Speaker 6: another avenue of structure, mightn't they. They might say, so 580 00:31:12,373 --> 00:31:14,893 Speaker 6: as we're not going in that direction which you normally go, 581 00:31:15,013 --> 00:31:17,773 Speaker 6: and we're going to go to another one. And it's 582 00:31:17,773 --> 00:31:19,853 Speaker 6: no secret that from time to time there have been 583 00:31:19,893 --> 00:31:22,893 Speaker 6: clashes of ideas or control. You only got to think 584 00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:28,653 Speaker 6: back to when McCullum and Taylor we're having that, you 585 00:31:28,693 --> 00:31:32,213 Speaker 6: know thing for the captaincy and the mas said, hey, 586 00:31:32,293 --> 00:31:34,973 Speaker 6: there's no one on the board who's got any cricket 587 00:31:35,333 --> 00:31:36,133 Speaker 6: knowledge at all. 588 00:31:36,253 --> 00:31:37,613 Speaker 3: You can't make this decision. 589 00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:42,573 Speaker 6: And so what MOLLA did in that case they actually 590 00:31:42,573 --> 00:31:46,053 Speaker 6: all resigned the board, didn't they And they then they 591 00:31:46,133 --> 00:31:49,213 Speaker 6: then changed the constitution and then got a new board. 592 00:31:50,133 --> 00:31:53,653 Speaker 6: So this is this is nothing new, guys, these things 593 00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:57,413 Speaker 6: think of the strike back in two thousand and two. Rido, 594 00:31:57,533 --> 00:32:00,213 Speaker 6: you were involved in that part, weren't you at some stage? 595 00:32:00,333 --> 00:32:04,173 Speaker 6: But I'm just saying these things have happened in the past, 596 00:32:06,613 --> 00:32:09,053 Speaker 6: and I'm you know, New Zealand Cricket. There's no doubt 597 00:32:09,093 --> 00:32:12,533 Speaker 6: they've been moving to secure more capital raising activities. That's 598 00:32:12,573 --> 00:32:16,973 Speaker 6: not a bad idea. They've looked after players as you've 599 00:32:16,973 --> 00:32:21,453 Speaker 6: said just one moment ago, Rito, they you know, they 600 00:32:22,173 --> 00:32:25,293 Speaker 6: they pay the players as a contract, they pay per match, 601 00:32:25,373 --> 00:32:30,973 Speaker 6: they own them commercially, they pay their insurance and medical matters, 602 00:32:31,453 --> 00:32:33,693 Speaker 6: and that's pretty important the moment with all the bowlers 603 00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:39,533 Speaker 6: busy ohs that they provide coaching, assistance and facilities to practice. 604 00:32:39,573 --> 00:32:43,133 Speaker 6: They're given their kit, they pay welfare for people you 605 00:32:43,173 --> 00:32:46,173 Speaker 6: know who are passed players and their lives haven't gone 606 00:32:46,213 --> 00:32:51,333 Speaker 6: so well. So they do offer some assistance and they 607 00:32:51,373 --> 00:32:53,893 Speaker 6: do you know, look after them about and I think 608 00:32:53,933 --> 00:32:56,733 Speaker 6: that's that need, that point needs to be made. 609 00:32:57,093 --> 00:33:00,973 Speaker 3: But they have gone to the MLC, you know that odds. 610 00:33:01,053 --> 00:33:05,213 Speaker 6: We've spoken about that those ancillary services and offered those 611 00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,933 Speaker 6: to the current teams. They've put their names up to 612 00:33:09,013 --> 00:33:12,733 Speaker 6: a franchise when it expands. They want to get involved 613 00:33:12,773 --> 00:33:16,973 Speaker 6: in that and have a share of it. They've you know, 614 00:33:17,053 --> 00:33:21,093 Speaker 6: they've battled over players rights issue that was recently We 615 00:33:21,253 --> 00:33:24,773 Speaker 6: recently spoke about you know, guys talking on the telly 616 00:33:24,773 --> 00:33:27,973 Speaker 6: if they haven't got their kit on or sponsorship things 617 00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:30,373 Speaker 6: and they have more private citizens. 618 00:33:31,133 --> 00:33:32,413 Speaker 3: That's been an issue. 619 00:33:32,773 --> 00:33:36,213 Speaker 6: So there have been a number of things I think 620 00:33:37,173 --> 00:33:41,453 Speaker 6: that have led under to the standoff, if we could 621 00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:43,573 Speaker 6: call it that at the moment. 622 00:33:44,573 --> 00:33:48,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's some, there's some other. I've been interested in 623 00:33:48,973 --> 00:33:50,693 Speaker 5: listening to some of the stuff and some of the 624 00:33:52,013 --> 00:33:57,293 Speaker 5: basically uninformed bits and pieces around the domestic T twenty 625 00:33:57,413 --> 00:34:00,893 Speaker 5: comp Currently, I hear people say, oh, yeah, but it 626 00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:03,653 Speaker 5: doesn't make it. You know, it doesn't make any money. 627 00:34:04,413 --> 00:34:08,333 Speaker 5: No competitions make any money. Like the four day comp 628 00:34:08,373 --> 00:34:11,853 Speaker 5: petition loses money playing at Shield, the fifty over competition 629 00:34:11,933 --> 00:34:15,973 Speaker 5: loses money. The T twenty competition loses money, and you 630 00:34:16,013 --> 00:34:18,653 Speaker 5: can and that's the same in rugby, Super Rugby loses money, 631 00:34:18,733 --> 00:34:22,853 Speaker 5: NPC loses money. There's only one P and L profit 632 00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:25,533 Speaker 5: and loss account in any of these professional sports in 633 00:34:25,573 --> 00:34:27,813 Speaker 5: New Zealand. It makes any money, and that's the All 634 00:34:27,813 --> 00:34:30,293 Speaker 5: Blacks in the Black Caps, and that comes from TV 635 00:34:30,413 --> 00:34:33,133 Speaker 5: rights and that money comes in at the top end 636 00:34:33,173 --> 00:34:37,933 Speaker 5: and then goes distributed through the system. I am really 637 00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:41,693 Speaker 5: I'd like to see the financials because I just don't 638 00:34:41,933 --> 00:34:46,893 Speaker 5: see how this domestic comp is going to make all 639 00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:50,453 Speaker 5: this money. You know, I know how much that the 640 00:34:50,573 --> 00:34:55,133 Speaker 5: various it's easy enough to find out that comes into 641 00:34:55,173 --> 00:34:59,653 Speaker 5: each major association. So crecket Wellington's about I think it's about. 642 00:34:59,693 --> 00:35:02,333 Speaker 5: It was five and a half six million dollar business 643 00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:07,333 Speaker 5: and seventy seventy percent of that comes from New Zealand football, 644 00:35:08,053 --> 00:35:12,693 Speaker 5: from in New Zealand cricket. So you know that's four 645 00:35:12,893 --> 00:35:16,213 Speaker 5: mil maybe a little bit more, and that would be 646 00:35:16,253 --> 00:35:19,093 Speaker 5: the same all around the country. So if all of 647 00:35:19,093 --> 00:35:22,013 Speaker 5: a sudden, you know there's going to be someone's going 648 00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:25,813 Speaker 5: to say there's millions more for a domestic T twenty 649 00:35:25,853 --> 00:35:30,093 Speaker 5: competition in January when the best players probably aren't playing 650 00:35:30,173 --> 00:35:33,773 Speaker 5: still aren't playing. I don't get it. And there's a 651 00:35:33,933 --> 00:35:36,853 Speaker 5: there's a there's a big guerrilla sitting in the corner 652 00:35:36,933 --> 00:35:41,773 Speaker 5: in a year's time, which is the renegotiation of the 653 00:35:41,813 --> 00:35:45,693 Speaker 5: Master Agreement between the Cricket Players Association and New Zealand Crew. 654 00:35:46,493 --> 00:35:49,733 Speaker 5: So say if there is a new league starting in 655 00:35:49,813 --> 00:35:53,573 Speaker 5: twenty seven or twenty eight, and you're a player who's 656 00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:58,573 Speaker 5: I don't know, sixteen contracted players was at domestic level. 657 00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:01,693 Speaker 5: If you are at number eight, say and you're on 658 00:36:01,853 --> 00:36:05,533 Speaker 5: say sixty grand, and you sort of get twenty twenty twenty, 659 00:36:05,573 --> 00:36:07,653 Speaker 5: you get twenty grand. For T twenty you get twenty 660 00:36:07,653 --> 00:36:11,653 Speaker 5: grandify the over as you get twenty grand for four 661 00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:16,093 Speaker 5: day and if New Zealand Cricket don't have anything to 662 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:19,213 Speaker 5: do with the one day comp any longer, do you 663 00:36:19,253 --> 00:36:21,053 Speaker 5: think they're going to keep on shelling that sort of 664 00:36:21,093 --> 00:36:25,413 Speaker 5: money out? Of course down? You know, and you've got 665 00:36:25,453 --> 00:36:27,933 Speaker 5: a Credit Players Association. I'm not picking on the CPA, 666 00:36:28,133 --> 00:36:31,333 Speaker 5: but they are a union and I've never ever in 667 00:36:31,373 --> 00:36:34,573 Speaker 5: all my life heard a union take a pickup. So 668 00:36:34,933 --> 00:36:39,013 Speaker 5: you know, there's this big issue coming in about a 669 00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:43,533 Speaker 5: year's time. The current agreement or there is a percentage 670 00:36:43,533 --> 00:36:47,293 Speaker 5: of revenue I think it's mid thirties of consolidated revenue 671 00:36:47,533 --> 00:36:50,213 Speaker 5: of New Zealand crecket that excludes a few things but 672 00:36:51,253 --> 00:36:53,813 Speaker 5: goes to the players. So if New Zealand crickets revenue 673 00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:59,453 Speaker 5: goes down, guess what happens the players? The player's income 674 00:36:59,493 --> 00:37:02,773 Speaker 5: goes down. And are all the things that are linked 675 00:37:02,893 --> 00:37:06,853 Speaker 5: that nobody you're talking about or considering. They're just sort 676 00:37:06,853 --> 00:37:12,093 Speaker 5: of focusing on some stuff about the current ce you 677 00:37:12,133 --> 00:37:14,173 Speaker 5: know them as as Jerry put it, you know, the 678 00:37:14,293 --> 00:37:17,893 Speaker 5: silence the New Zealand Cricket board, it aren't showing much leadership. 679 00:37:17,893 --> 00:37:21,373 Speaker 5: They just you know, I would I'm not even sure 680 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:23,973 Speaker 5: I know three or four people are on the board. 681 00:37:25,013 --> 00:37:28,493 Speaker 5: You know, it's it's it's it's worrying And Jerry's right, 682 00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:32,093 Speaker 5: and it's not limited to cricket. Sport eats itself about 683 00:37:32,093 --> 00:37:34,733 Speaker 5: every twenty years and we're just doing it again. 684 00:37:36,853 --> 00:37:39,893 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it's one of those interesting subjects. And I 685 00:37:39,893 --> 00:37:43,133 Speaker 2: think you're right about the income because of the icy C. 686 00:37:43,413 --> 00:37:45,213 Speaker 2: This is out the income to New Zealand cricket and 687 00:37:45,253 --> 00:37:47,813 Speaker 2: if the World Cup doesn't make money, then there's less 688 00:37:47,813 --> 00:37:49,973 Speaker 2: money to go unto the pot over a four year period, 689 00:37:50,053 --> 00:37:50,413 Speaker 2: isn't there. 690 00:37:50,933 --> 00:37:53,373 Speaker 5: Well that's right, And the growth of the private leagues 691 00:37:53,453 --> 00:37:56,853 Speaker 5: doesn't mean the TV money doesn't exist, because it does. 692 00:37:57,293 --> 00:38:00,933 Speaker 5: It just goes somewhere else and it doesn't go through 693 00:38:00,973 --> 00:38:03,333 Speaker 5: the icy C or through n Z at Sea and 694 00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:06,893 Speaker 5: down into the game. You know that, you know the 695 00:38:07,493 --> 00:38:10,213 Speaker 5: West Indies get get a cut of the Caribbean League. 696 00:38:10,253 --> 00:38:15,413 Speaker 5: I don't know. You know, you've got to have, as 697 00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:18,053 Speaker 5: Jerry said, you've got to have. This is where the 698 00:38:18,093 --> 00:38:21,493 Speaker 5: position of the MAAS. I don't get If that was 699 00:38:21,973 --> 00:38:25,133 Speaker 5: New Zealand Cricket in the agreement and not the MAAS, 700 00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:27,573 Speaker 5: that to me would make a hell of a lot 701 00:38:27,613 --> 00:38:28,173 Speaker 5: more sense. 702 00:38:29,733 --> 00:38:32,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we've got a lot more to hear from this. 703 00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:37,453 Speaker 2: The interesting thing is the secrecy continues. I understand there's 704 00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:42,773 Speaker 2: a meeting somewhere somehow this week and we'll find out 705 00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:48,493 Speaker 2: a little more about that. Thanks very much for joining 706 00:38:48,533 --> 00:38:49,333 Speaker 2: us this week. 707 00:38:49,613 --> 00:38:49,773 Speaker 3: Read. 708 00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:52,533 Speaker 2: I'd like to get you back on this issue on 709 00:38:52,573 --> 00:38:55,173 Speaker 2: a future occasion as and when things starting to develop, 710 00:38:55,213 --> 00:39:00,493 Speaker 2: because we'll see what this meeting produces, and I'm sure 711 00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:04,733 Speaker 2: you'll be following it with the interest that you have 712 00:39:04,813 --> 00:39:07,053 Speaker 2: shown in the past because you've been involved, as to say, 713 00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:10,653 Speaker 2: in terms of the administration of not only cricket but football. 714 00:39:10,653 --> 00:39:14,533 Speaker 2: So thanks very much for joining us. Have a good 715 00:39:14,613 --> 00:39:15,493 Speaker 2: Christmas as well. 716 00:39:16,533 --> 00:39:17,973 Speaker 5: Thank you. Nice to see you both. 717 00:39:18,573 --> 00:39:20,533 Speaker 3: Ah ight Redo, Tach care mate. 718 00:39:20,413 --> 00:39:24,493 Speaker 2: Thanks Reder guys, see you Heky Pine out, Yeah, and Jerry. 719 00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:28,253 Speaker 2: We will talk again next week after the Test match 720 00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:33,453 Speaker 2: at Bay Park. I hope you have fine ready to go, 721 00:39:33,453 --> 00:39:38,213 Speaker 2: got the tonsils loosened up nicely and are ready for 722 00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:38,693 Speaker 2: the action. 723 00:39:39,693 --> 00:39:39,893 Speaker 3: Yeah. 724 00:39:39,893 --> 00:39:43,813 Speaker 6: Well, it's been gargling of course, eating plenty of boiled eggs. 725 00:39:44,013 --> 00:39:45,213 Speaker 3: Get the voice ready by. 726 00:39:47,893 --> 00:39:51,173 Speaker 6: It's actually quite an important match, isn't it, Because there 727 00:39:51,173 --> 00:39:54,013 Speaker 6: are no dead games in this World Test Championship. You 728 00:39:54,133 --> 00:39:57,773 Speaker 6: need your twelve points in playing against a side that 729 00:39:57,933 --> 00:40:01,613 Speaker 6: might be below you in the list, it's very important 730 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:04,013 Speaker 6: you have your wins to get your points because most 731 00:40:04,053 --> 00:40:07,333 Speaker 6: other sides might get their points against them as well. 732 00:40:07,893 --> 00:40:11,293 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's you know, well, I mean, it's 733 00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:14,373 Speaker 2: fascinating in terms of you know, where New Zealand can 734 00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:17,373 Speaker 2: go from this. The final thought this week, Jerry, just 735 00:40:17,453 --> 00:40:20,333 Speaker 2: before we go, did you ever carry your pillow around 736 00:40:20,373 --> 00:40:21,453 Speaker 2: when you're a cricket. 737 00:40:21,173 --> 00:40:25,333 Speaker 3: Game, not to the cricket game. 738 00:40:25,533 --> 00:40:29,693 Speaker 6: I think I've seen players take their pillows to Pakistan. 739 00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:32,973 Speaker 2: Yeah, Bocky did, didn't we He did? 740 00:40:33,573 --> 00:40:36,453 Speaker 6: He did, And it kind of makes a bit of sense. 741 00:40:36,573 --> 00:40:39,533 Speaker 6: All that fills the bag quite quickly, you know. It 742 00:40:39,533 --> 00:40:41,813 Speaker 6: takes up quite a lot of space, so you've got 743 00:40:41,853 --> 00:40:43,053 Speaker 6: to leave your boots at home. 744 00:40:46,173 --> 00:40:50,413 Speaker 3: It was the choice in those days, that was the choice. Yeah. 745 00:40:50,493 --> 00:40:53,093 Speaker 6: No, it'll be interesting and I didn't know about those changes, 746 00:40:53,093 --> 00:40:56,093 Speaker 6: as I said, so I'll be interested to see what 747 00:40:56,093 --> 00:40:57,133 Speaker 6: what happens there. 748 00:40:58,613 --> 00:41:00,653 Speaker 2: Stop sleeping during the middle of the night and you'll 749 00:41:00,693 --> 00:41:02,053 Speaker 2: keep up to date with all this stuff. 750 00:41:02,693 --> 00:41:07,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, I must do that. Ond I do. I do 751 00:41:07,693 --> 00:41:09,573 Speaker 3: wake up, but usually for another reason. 752 00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:12,733 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll you have your nap in the morning. 753 00:41:13,453 --> 00:41:15,093 Speaker 2: Look forward to hearing you from the Test match and 754 00:41:15,133 --> 00:41:16,093 Speaker 2: we'll review it next week. 755 00:41:16,173 --> 00:41:18,813 Speaker 3: Jerry, all right, well, let's take care mate. 756 00:41:19,293 --> 00:41:22,853 Speaker 2: Cheers and nice also to have had Rito. Will listen. 757 00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:25,493 Speaker 2: He makes some interesting points, so we'll get to get 758 00:41:25,533 --> 00:41:33,693 Speaker 2: him back and talk about decision as it develops. 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