1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty exceptional marketing 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: for every property. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: On the Huddle with Me this evening and got Jack 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: tame host to Q and A Saturday Mornings in Jordan. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Williams Taxpayers Union Highlands Yoda Jack. How does auto pilot 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: on a ferry landed on a beach? 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: A good question, very good question. I've never used auto 8 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 3: pilot on a faerry or any large ship. 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: Personally, I think that's the opposite of what an autopilot 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: wants to do. 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: My question is, is okay, First of all, if auto 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: pilot was engaged, is it appropriate for autopilot to be 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 3: engaged whilst you're still in. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: The sounds because the harbourmaster say yes, it's okay. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So then you basically leave. And if autopilot 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 3: was engaged and no one was on the bridge, that's 17 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: not a great look. But then if autopilot was engaged 18 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: in is the middle of the night, would you honestly 19 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: even know? I mean, the thing is the thing? Is 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 3: it only needed to turn you know a little bit, yeah, 21 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: a little bit to end up in the side of 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: the hill. Pilot, Well, it's not very good autopilot. I 23 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: think F and D autopilot was to blame, but we 24 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: don't know that autopilot was necessarily to blame just yet it. 25 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: Was we know it was on. 26 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: We know it was on, yeah, but we don't know 27 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: if it was necessarily the blame. 28 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: Jordan, I'm getting suspicious about I'm getting transpower suspicious about this. 29 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Are you getting like like pylon suspicious about it? 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 4: I think you would program autopilot, you know, stay in 31 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 4: the ocean if you if you're programming in the look 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 4: at New Zealand's Is it a troll? I don't know 33 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: if it's a troll. It's such a good one. You know, 34 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: it's recous week. New Zealand First staff as we're sitting around, 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 4: what could we how do we inject ourselves into media? 36 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 4: I've got an idea her kids. I'm sure it's a 37 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: great yarn. On the other hand, though, New Zealand First, 38 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about over the ten years of Taxpayers Union, 39 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 4: we've often sparred along Keebi rail issues and we've always 40 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: really resented that New Zealand First somehow they must be 41 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: close to the Maritime Union or something like ways can 42 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: be inside juice on matters to do with with uh 43 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: inter islander, and it really bugs us. So I looked 44 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 4: at this. I don't actually rule out Yeah, I don't know. 45 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: Time will tell, Yeah totally. 46 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: Hey what do you Jack make of the Otago University 47 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: free free speech policy? 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: Ah, it's pretty good in the free speech debate, if 49 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: we can even call it that. I am not all 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: the way an absolutist, but pretty close to absolutist, and 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: I think that the pendulum has swung far too much 52 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: in the other direction over the last couple of years. 53 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: It's interesting to go through the statement that the university's 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: provided right because it also includes these lines, the university 55 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: accepts no duty to provide a space for those who 56 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: are not members of its community to advance their ideas 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: or theories in ways which fundamentally undermine the university's character 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: as an institute of higher learning. Basically, that means the 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 3: UNI can say no to controversial people from the outside, 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: that they're not duty bound to give those people a platform. 61 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 3: And you can imagine for like elements like that, there 62 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: could be a little bit of tension in the future 63 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: if it a really controversial figure comes along and is 64 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: invited by you know, a student union group, for example, 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: or a student group of some description, and then other 66 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: people at the university or the university itself says, oh, 67 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: we oppose this person's ideology. You can imagine there being 68 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 3: some tension, but largely yeah, I think it's great. 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: I think in terms of like I mean, so Jordan, 70 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: where I land on this is that it's not a 71 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: university's place necessary to provide a venue for other people, 72 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: but for the people who belong to the university, like 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: the staff and the students, they should be entitled to 74 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: say what they want to say within reasonable parameters. And 75 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: this gives them that freedom, doesn't it. 76 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 4: Ye. Well, as Jack has pointed out, the pendulum has 77 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: moved totally the fact that we have to even say, 78 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 4: you know, well done Ottaga University. So pointing out that 79 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 4: the university is dark place to have tough discussions, and 80 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: you know, if you're offended, you know, boo her, it's 81 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: not our job to look. I'm coincidentally over in Sydney 82 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: with the Free Speech Union as we're launching there. What 83 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: it launched yesterday, The International Association of Free Speech Unions 84 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: is a whole lot of free speech advocates from around 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 4: the world, and we're sitting next to Johnavan ailing when 86 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: he got this news and he looking at his face, 87 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: he couldn't quite believe it how good it was, because 88 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: of course it was only a few weeks ago. Heither 89 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: we were talking about my former university that I'm utterly 90 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 4: ashamed of in its treatment particular issue no a Victoria 91 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: University and the fact that they called that someone that 92 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 4: was from New Zealand's premiere business think tank, the Initiative, 93 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 4: the New Zealand Initiative, as far right and neo liberal, 94 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: therefore dangerous and I mean we've got a absolutely the 95 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 4: comments they made about very mainstream people is just absolutely disgusting. 96 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: And Victoria University just allowed it to happen. They didn't 97 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: fight for free speech. And what's worse, despite being fully 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 4: text Bay funded, they won't even front up and answer 99 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: basic questions about it. So good on Otagi University. We've 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: been on the back foot and on the free speech 101 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: file in New Zealand University. About time we had a 102 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 4: we had a win, and this is a damn good one. 103 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: And Victoria University, you ought to be you ought to 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: be ashamed. This is the model. 105 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: And as former alumni of Aukland University. I think they 106 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: ought to be ashamed too and send all of our 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: children to Otago with this. Right, Okay, we can take 108 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: a break with you to come back and just a ticket. 109 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach 110 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: and results. 111 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: Right back with the Huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams Jordan, 112 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: how ridiculous is the situation with Country Kindy where they 113 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: shut a candy down because the kids have got to 114 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: ask who go to the toilet? 115 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: I was just waiting for David when he was our 116 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: position to come out with the outrage. He would clearly 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 4: wanted to absolutely slam it. And he's right, he's so refreshing. 118 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 4: Of course, we should be able to have our politicians 119 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: talk about these nuts decisions and the ways of the 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: last government set it up so they could hide behind 121 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: their officials and they did stupid, stupid things. You know, 122 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 4: I was at damn right. He should have changed that 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: book yesterday. I have. I've got two kids in preschool 124 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: and I don't want to go into detail because it'll 125 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: i'll no doubt be canceled. But some of the bonkers 126 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 4: stuff that our childcare center is required to force down 127 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: our kids throat is just nuts. Yeah. 128 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: I'm almost tempted to ask you to explain more, but 129 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: I will leave it there. You can tell me off there, 130 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: and then tomorrow I can say somebody who I will 131 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: not name, was telling me this story. 132 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Jack. 133 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: I mean, surely, if you have the choice of like, 134 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: shut the place down because it hasn't done the paperwork 135 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: on its philosophy statement and you know, Lord above it 136 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: ask the kids to ask to go to the toilet 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: or keep the thing going, the right thing is just 138 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: keep the thing going. 139 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: Okay, I agree with that. I think just to take 140 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: an incredibly dry position on this. If there is a 141 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: regulatory review planned for the sector, and the problem with 142 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: this candy is regulatory I kids aren't in danger. Kids 143 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: are perfectly fine, non in danger. At the moment we're 144 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 3: going to be reviewing the sector's regulations, Surely the sensible 145 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 3: thing to do is to wait until that regulatory review 146 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: has been completed before then making decisions, right, yeah, kind 147 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: of decisions. Well, I mean, if you know, if this 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: candy is breaching regulations that might not exist in a 149 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: few months time, for example, then that seems to me. 150 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: You see what you're saying like the Ministry of Education 151 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: should not be shutting down Kendy's right. Now, it's just the. 152 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: Whole thing with the Ministry of Regulation. 153 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: Right. 154 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: So David Ceman was saying in that interview before, you know, 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: he wants to consider some of the regulation around this. 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: If he's going to be considering the regulation around this, 157 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: and potentially that regulation is the very regulation they're using 158 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: to shut this place down, then maybe we should just 159 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: wait a little bit. 160 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree totally. I mean this to me, Jordan 161 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: is a case of what has gone wrong with the 162 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 2: Ministry of Education. 163 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: Right. 164 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: If you're wondering why they cannot get kids to learn properly, 165 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: it's because the fussing over stupid stuff like. 166 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: This, yep. And we wonder why our education standards are 167 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: such further and further behind. You know, what measures gets done. 168 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: And the trouble is is that I mean, and it's 169 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: not just education either, namely one government agency right now 170 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: in Wellington it is pursuing excellence in its core job. 171 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: Well I don't know, but not the reserve band. 172 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: Rotation about educating kids. It's all it's all. 173 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, hey listen, I've got something for both of 174 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: you that I haven't warned you about. So this is 175 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: going to get your real I'm going to get your real, 176 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: honest take on this. 177 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: Jack. 178 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: How long before Darlene ton Of quits? 179 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: I reckon eight days? I reckon? I reckon honestly, the 180 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: two and a half years sitting there all by yourself, 181 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: everybody everyone hating on you. It's like you might want 182 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: to do it out of spite, but spite only fuels 183 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: you for so long. 184 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 4: Jordan, what do you think, pretty, I'm pretty worried about her. 185 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: I mean we were we caught a few days ago 186 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: for proof of life because you know, no one had 187 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 4: seen her in Hanton. 188 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: Pizza arrived at her house when a journalist was there. 189 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: But she's still not fronting, is she? I call me 190 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 4: old fashioned, but I think if you're paying an one 191 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty a year, you know they ought to 192 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 4: sort of, you know, talk to the public. I reckon 193 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 4: that she'll resign, you know, once she sort of has 194 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 4: to talk to the public. Yeah, because it's just un untenable. 195 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: Okay. I think she's going to resign the day before 196 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: she has to be back so she can maximize, which 197 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: is the end of recesses. She can maximize the amount 198 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: of money she's doing. That's what I would. 199 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: When you throw a surprise curve for let us, we 200 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: don't consider it properly. 201 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: Thank you. Guys are standing for the Greens? Next yit 202 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: for me? 203 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 204 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Why not milk the system? Guys, good to talk 205 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: to you. Thank you very much. Jack Tame, host of 206 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: Q and A Saturday Morning Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union. 207 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 208 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 209 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.