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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, The Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Jaguar, The Art of Performance News togs Head been.

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Speaker 2: Volume Welcome today one hundreds of millions rangs down on farmac.

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Speaker 2: We have a lesson in how many bolts you can

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Speaker 2: take out of a power pile on and what Northland

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Speaker 2: does about compo. Brilliant news for our expert returns went

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Speaker 2: off last month. Chris Luxen on trains, planes and automobiles.

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Speaker 2: Scott Robinson on the All Black Selection and seizing, Catherine

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Speaker 2: Field and front Rod Little does the UK for us

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Speaker 2: Pasky underway for Tuesday seven past six. Small insight for

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Speaker 2: you and to how at least some of the media works,

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Speaker 2: and in that is a clue as to why trust

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Speaker 2: has plummeted the way it has. Newsrooms have go tos right,

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Speaker 2: They have go tos people, they know it readily available

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Speaker 2: and will give them a quick line or two about

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Speaker 2: their area of so called expertise. They also rely on

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Speaker 2: press releases far too often in my view, but that

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Speaker 2: to a degree is an outworking of less resource and

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Speaker 2: a lot less experience. Often the two forces combine. The

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Speaker 2: press release has a duly attached person who's also the

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Speaker 2: easy go to, so very quickly you can see how

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Speaker 2: news is created. It's not found or dug up. It

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Speaker 2: pops up in an inbox with readily attached quote set

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Speaker 2: to go, and is pushing a cause. Media also likes

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Speaker 2: bad news. They like criticism. They would argue it's a

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Speaker 2: counterview a government announces, for example, in an idea or

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Speaker 2: a policy cure press release from somebody who doesn't like it.

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Speaker 2: The newsroom sees that as balance, what the person says

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Speaker 2: is less important than the fact they are anti the idea.

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Speaker 2: The ongoing debate around military style youth camps as your

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Speaker 2: classic example. This week government has got the idea. We

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Speaker 2: then line up those who don't like it. Their line

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Speaker 2: is there's no evidence this sort of thing works. But

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Speaker 2: here is where the journalism stops, and that is the

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Speaker 2: shame of it all. Firstly, who says it doesn't work well?

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Speaker 2: The opposition do, of course, and they go to people

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Speaker 2: like Aaron Hendry, who is a social worker and a

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Speaker 2: regular all over the place in the media in this country.

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Speaker 2: The unproductive bit is that they're allowed, of course to

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Speaker 2: think and say whatever they want. Of course they are,

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Speaker 2: it's a free society. But in saying it and having

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Speaker 2: all they say endlessly repeated in the media because they're

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Speaker 2: so readily available. We forget a critical part of this,

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Speaker 2: and you idea is what their idea is. We invest

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Speaker 2: in the root of the problem. That's what we say.

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Speaker 2: We need to invest in the root of the problem.

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Speaker 2: In other words, carry on with what we've done for

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Speaker 2: years and has that worked?

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Speaker 3: Of course not?

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Speaker 2: So why then are we one looking to carry on

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Speaker 2: with failed ideas and two not questioning why they're still

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Speaker 2: arguing for failed ideas? And in that is a small

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Speaker 2: part of the unraveling of news. The inquiry is largely

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Speaker 2: gone and replaced by the factory of he said, he said,

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Speaker 2: back and forth that essentially repeats the same thing ad nauseum.

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Speaker 2: We featured an Australian operation called Operation Yaki yesterday that

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Speaker 2: claims a ninety percent success rate. That's new, that's news.

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Speaker 2: It's another angle. We need more angles. We need more inquiry,

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Speaker 2: we need more questions, we need more questioning why news.

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Speaker 3: Of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: At Sartain, Britain, several things on the go. Princess Ann's

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Speaker 2: had a run in with a horse inners in hospital.

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Speaker 4: Heral Highness remains in Southmeat Hospital in Bristol as a

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Speaker 4: precautionary measure for observation, and is expected to make a

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Speaker 4: full and swift recovery. The King has been kept closely

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Speaker 4: informed and joins the whole Royal family in sending his

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Speaker 4: fondest love for a speedy recovery.

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Speaker 2: Holly Willoughby, who's a big deal on the telly There

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Speaker 2: here's a court couse to deal with an alleged NATA

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Speaker 2: who stalked him.

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Speaker 5: The prosecutor Alison Morgan, and she has said that Gavin Plum,

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Speaker 5: he's the defendant. His plan to kidnap, rape and murder

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Speaker 5: Willoughby was very real. She went on to say that

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Speaker 5: what Gavin Plum didn't know in these online discussions he

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Speaker 5: was having that he was communicating with an undercover police officer.

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Speaker 2: And then we had the election which is nine short

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Speaker 2: days awai and still bogged down on the Tory bidding scandal.

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Speaker 6: But it's important to remember that the Gambling Commission investigations

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Speaker 6: are independent. I don't have the details of those, they

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Speaker 6: don't obviously report to me, but what I can tell

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Speaker 6: you is we have been in parallel conducting our own

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Speaker 6: internal inquiries and will of course act on any relevant

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Speaker 6: findings or information stayside.

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Speaker 2: The Biden camp have hired a new spin doctor thing, ma'am.

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Speaker 7: They needed to check the box. I guess they just

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Speaker 7: needed a radical and gender white male. This is because

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Speaker 7: this president has some twenty five year old boy. I

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Speaker 7: would colin with a man Bund that is advising him,

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Speaker 7: that has his ear.

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Speaker 2: Trump's firing up over their expectation the bun is going

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Speaker 2: to roll out of bortion as the big issue in

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Speaker 8: The most democratic thing now has happened, and I think

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Speaker 8: that's what Donald Trump has continued to say. It goes

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Speaker 8: back to the States. I think you're going to hear

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Speaker 8: that from Donald Trump. It's what he has continued to say.

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Speaker 8: This is just about the only thing the Democrats think

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Speaker 8: they can run on this election cycle. I think Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump will have a great response for it.

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Speaker 2: And from our priority's finally reminded that as bad as

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Speaker 2: Gaza is, it still piles compared to Saddan.

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Speaker 9: And therefore I do understand that for very legitimate reasons,

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Speaker 9: all eyes today are on Gaza, on Ukraine and other contexts.

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Speaker 9: But I think we have to be heard loud and clear.

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Speaker 9: The situation in Sudan and the neighboring countries is so

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Speaker 9: catastrophic and somehow irreversible.

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Speaker 2: Finally, Tolpi Oscar's of the ib Action World's Got Track's Awards,

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Speaker 2: Kata Owns has come out as top World's best Airline

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Speaker 2: katar or cutter are they pep Singapore only just we

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Speaker 2: didn't make the top ten, perhaps not surprisingly, we didn't

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Speaker 2: even make the top twenty. Singapore Airlines had the best

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Speaker 2: cabin start, best first class service, air Asia as your

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Speaker 2: best low cost airline, all nip On has the best

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Speaker 2: airport service. And I'll run you through some of those

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Speaker 2: other ones later on in the morning News of the World.

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Speaker 2: In ninety six, heat alert heat alert, yellow heat alert

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Speaker 2: in Britain, by the way, and this is the once

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Speaker 2: again the subtlety in context of these stories has missed

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Speaker 2: what countries deal with in terms of heat. Isn't necessary

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Speaker 2: because we'll go England is under a yellow heat alert?

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Speaker 2: Is that bad? Not really? Scotland twenty four. I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest, twenty four middle of summer twenty four

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Speaker 2: I mean it's pleasant, isn't It's hardly an alert? Thirteen

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Speaker 2: past the Mike Costing breakfast looks like it might have

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Speaker 2: all over the boating reform, so that seems to be

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Speaker 2: flaring back up. Fifteen past six, Kay, my wealth Andrew

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Speaker 2: Keller had good morning morning, Mike ride. Oh, trade numbers

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Speaker 2: are good, good for May, a record for May.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's some good stuff in there, and it involves

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Speaker 10: why Mike, So that's always got to be good to

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Speaker 10: talk about, hasn't it. Yeah, So this is overseas merchant'sized trade.

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of data in here. These are the

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Speaker 10: numbers for May. As you said, And I'm going to

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Speaker 10: have to change some of my pattern and some of

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Speaker 10: my narrative because to quote the inevitable Bob Dylan, times,

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Speaker 10: they are are changing, even if he did say that

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Speaker 10: sixty years ago anyway, But look, there's a change in

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Speaker 10: the pecking order of our export markets. There's a new

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Speaker 10: number two for the moment.

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Speaker 10: We don't have a lasting trend, but the USA has

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Speaker 10: overtaken Australia as our second biggest export market. I'll go

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Speaker 10: into that in detail a minute, but just at the

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Speaker 10: high level numbers. Good exports rose by two hundred and

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Speaker 10: rows thirty thirty nine million, they're now it's seven billion,

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Speaker 10: So we've got a monthly trade surplus two hundred and

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Speaker 10: four million. It's the first time that monthly exports have

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Speaker 10: reached seven billion dollar dollars. Now that's not adjusted for price,

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Speaker 10: And April May they're typically the peak months for exports,

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Speaker 10: but still we'll take it. We've got a high on

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Speaker 10: the export number. So what's the US story. Well, we

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Speaker 10: So that's up thirty one percent from May last year.

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Speaker 10: The annual value of exports to the US is now

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Speaker 10: May twenty four year we exported seven hundred and eighty

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Speaker 10: That's an awful awful long way ahead of the other markets.

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Speaker 10: Total exports to China and Australia was down as well.

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Speaker 10: But just looking at the year mic annual goods exports

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Speaker 10: trade deficit of just over ten billion dollars, but by

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Speaker 10: seventeen point one billion dollars. So look, all in all,

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Speaker 10: I think you'll probably take those.

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Speaker 2: We will, got no question about it for a warehouse.

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Speaker 2: Yet more bad news yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Another day, another retail downgrade.

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Speaker 10: Yesterday morning, we talked about cat Mandu. During the day,

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Speaker 10: Warehouse joined that picture. So we're talking. They issued a

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Speaker 10: guidance for their operating profit. For simplicity purposes, we'll call

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Speaker 10: that earnings before interest in taxation. That's for the twenty

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Speaker 10: four financial year. Now, this is based on their retail

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Speaker 10: trading conditions they've experienced so far in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 10: and to quote a word that is being used in

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Speaker 10: almost every announcement, trading continues to be challenging. What's interesting is,

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Speaker 10: they say, increasingly subdued consumer demand, so it's actually getting worse.

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Speaker 10: Further compounded by mildwood weather that's resulted in lower than

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Speaker 10: anticipated fourth quarter sales. So they now expect those twenty

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Speaker 10: four financial year sales from continuing operations to be between

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Speaker 10: six two seven percent lower than the prey year, So

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Speaker 10: their underlying earnings to be in the range of twenty

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Speaker 10: two to thirty million. Just compare that to last year, Mike,

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Speaker 10: So twenty two to thirty this year. Last year eighty

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Speaker 10: three point four, so it's a very large drop. It

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Speaker 10: looks like the second half the and I need to

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Speaker 10: look into these numbers a little bit more, but it

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Speaker 10: looks like their second half there will actually be a

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Speaker 10: trading loss. They expect conditions like this to continue through

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Speaker 10: to the year end. Share price down just over eight

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Speaker 10: dollar sixty. So yeah, look tough times, tough times for retailers.

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Speaker 2: Numbers please.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's always you and a few other people. That's

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Speaker 2: Everyone in the airlines is doing well. Thank you. Six

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Speaker 2: twenty one on the Mike Costing Breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Over the Myke Costing Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Mike have just spent six weeks looking for New Zealand

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Speaker 2: That's the beauty of the American market is so large,

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Speaker 3: There is not.

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Speaker 2: But that was a labor idea. They labor Remember when

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Speaker 2: to the wasted six twenty.

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Speaker 13: Six trending Now with chemist where House great savings, every.

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Speaker 2: Day horror trend continues. Hollywood's got what they hope is

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Speaker 14: Come to me, come to me. Here, my coming to me,

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Speaker 14: He's coming, Who's coming to my child?

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Speaker 3: We are here encountering the lamp here.

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Speaker 2: Cool sort of Christmas movie movie, Isn't it just what

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Speaker 1: They use bold opinions the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's

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Speaker 1: real Estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 2: He'd be like, big part of the w Houses downfall,

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Speaker 2: I do have for you now? Though, very exciting Chuddley Update, Chuddley,

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Speaker 2: Chudley Twoing and meryal Race. How exciting is this going

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Speaker 2: to be? In Chudley's part of it, Chuddley, Haggett, Towering

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Speaker 2: and Meryl candidate. Of course they had to meet. The

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Speaker 2: candidate's meeting last night, question was asked as to how

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Speaker 2: to revitalize the town, sent to nothing unusual on that.

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Speaker 2: This is Chudley's answer. It is not edited. It is

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Speaker 15: But if you really want to get the CBD revitalizes,

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Speaker 15: very simple answer to that, car parks bring back car parks,

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Speaker 15: car parks, car parks bring back car parks.

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Speaker 2: Simple, not edited. What was he trying to say? Listen again,

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Speaker 15: But if you really want to get the CBD revitalized,

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Speaker 15: is very simple answer to that, car parks bring back

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Speaker 15: car parks. Cars, car parks bring back car parks.

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Speaker 11: Simple.

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Speaker 2: He's a self editor. He isn't one of the four candidates,

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Speaker 2: by the way, chosen by the Chamber of Commerce for

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Speaker 2: the first maryoral debate happening tomorrow night. It's Brownless, Drysdale,

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Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes away from seven, say Lord has been

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Speaker 2: a complete bust. This Olympic rehearsal didn't happen today either.

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Speaker 2: They spent billions on the river. The rehearsal was set again,

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Speaker 2: none of it's happening. So what's going on with the Olympics?

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field for as shortly meantime, back to the good

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Speaker 2: news we mentioned earlier on Round our exports May record

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Speaker 2: month for returns. We cracked the seven billion dollar mark

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Speaker 2: for the first time. Advocacy Directed for Export in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Bird is with us on this. Catherine, very good

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Speaker 2: morning to you.

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Speaker 16: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of riders. May's traditionally a high season, right,

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Speaker 2: generally we do okay in May.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, May as a good season. It's the height of

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Speaker 17: the fruit season and it's strong for meat, dairy and

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Speaker 2: But a record is a record, and you can't take

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Speaker 2: away a record. What's going on with America? So why

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Speaker 2: are they suddenly gobbling down all our wine and apples

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Speaker 17: Look, they've always been strong for those those exports, and

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Speaker 17: beef's very strong, wine, sheep, meat, and berry. They kind

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Speaker 2: Export market, and how much of that is US going

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Speaker 17: Look, it's probably a bit of both really, because you know,

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Speaker 17: wine's been doing well in America for a long time,

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Speaker 17: hamburger patties. Actually, and I was looking at the stats

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Speaker 2: That was my next question. It doesn't in totality offset China.

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Speaker 2: we worried?

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Speaker 18: Look?

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Speaker 17: I think they will come back because they are so large,

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Speaker 17: hang till twenty twenty five, really.

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Speaker 2: Survive till twenty five. Catherine, always good to catch up

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Speaker 2: with You appreciate it very much. Catherine Bear, the advocacy

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Speaker 2: director for Export New Zealand, nineteen minutes away from seven Laskig.

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Speaker 2: Mike could chutly be eight's next CEO. Very good to

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Speaker 2: bring back car parks, car parks, car parks and car parks.

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Speaker 2: By the way, vaping this morning. The Australians have backed out.

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Speaker 2: See this is a classic example of promising one thing.

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Speaker 2: They were willed leading and we all thought, well good

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Speaker 2: on you. They couldn't get the numbers. They're not going

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Speaker 2: the FDA overnight, see I think we're losing the battle here.

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Speaker 2: They've authorized the first mental flavored vape. The flavors can

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Speaker 2: of smoking. Four hundred and eighty thousand Americans die of

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Speaker 2: Here's the point, we're making the same mistake we made

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Speaker 2: marketing of Menthol's fabulous, you'll be feeling better with Menthol cigarettes. Until,

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Speaker 2: of course we worked out we're going to we're killing ourselves,

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Speaker 2: and now we're going down the stane. You never learned,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. It's amazing to think, decades later, with all

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Speaker 2: eighteen to two.

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Speaker 3: The my costing breakfast date.

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Speaker 2: As in Darline and Tanna, the never ending investigation, the

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Speaker 2: investigation that goes on literally forever stood down in March,

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Speaker 2: can you believe it? March, April, May, coming to the

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Speaker 2: end of June, all on full pay. Of course. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Chloe's wanted along to have a discussion with the Parliamentary Speaker,

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Speaker 2: who's clearly gone, are you serious? How long do you

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Speaker 2: think we're going to be funding this nonsense, at which

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Speaker 2: fact going to pay for the remainder of the investigation.

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Speaker 2: Obvious question is how long is the remainder of the investigation,

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Speaker 2: Time from Field morning.

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Speaker 19: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: How did that rehearsal go?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 2: What's it? Didn't?

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Speaker 19: It didn't did it? No, it didn't go. Apparently the

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Speaker 19: get that full rehearsal out there first thing Monday morning.

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Speaker 19: The other thing that we've found out, Mike is it's

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Speaker 19: this time, and twice as much as it's supposed to

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Speaker 19: be for any Olympic swimming event. So it seems that

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Speaker 19: that what was it two point four billion New Zealand

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Speaker 19: dollars that the authorities have spent in the last decade

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Speaker 19: to clean up the storm and whitewater in the scent

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Speaker 19: has not quite worked out as much as they would

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Speaker 19: have liked. And so the big question now, Mike, you know,

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Speaker 19: months ago before the Olympics starts, will will they be

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Speaker 19: able to get those boats down the sand for the

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Speaker 19: opening ceremony? And will the triathlon actually be a dual

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Speaker 19: a flon with only the running and the cycling.

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Speaker 2: Is there any level of panic at this point? Are are

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Speaker 2: we still far enough out not to freak out yet?

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Speaker 19: There's a little bit of panic, but I think some

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Speaker 19: of that comes from the fact that we've got the

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Speaker 19: elections coming up and there may well be a completely

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Speaker 19: new government in place, which means there might be a

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Speaker 19: new Minister of the Interior. So the Ministry of the

451
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Speaker 19: Interior has said, look, you know, I'm just a figure head.

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Speaker 19: We've got this fantastic police force, got fantastic security forces.

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Speaker 2: Everything is ready to go.

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Speaker 19: Don't worry about that. So I think that's where the

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Speaker 19: concerns are at the moment. A few other things. They

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Speaker 19: haven't got the little camp in the world of Ancenne

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Speaker 19: over to the east of Paris properly built for the

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Speaker 19: military to sleep, and that's a bit of a concern.

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Speaker 19: But I think the main concern that I've seen just

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Speaker 19: as last weekend has been the weather. Summer has finally arrived.

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Speaker 19: We're looking at temperatures of thirty thirty five degrees and

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Speaker 19: you look at some of those stands that they're built,

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Speaker 19: plus de la Concord, the Port Alexander tours around the

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Speaker 19: Eiffel Tower. These stands might have no covering their metal stands.

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Speaker 19: People are going to be sitting in them for a

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Speaker 19: long time. And you know everyone's worried about the athletes,

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Speaker 19: What about the spectators?

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Speaker 2: This is what I say, quite right, So where are

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Speaker 2: we at with the election and does ourfering mister Medella

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Speaker 2: play a big role in the coming days?

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Speaker 20: What he does?

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Speaker 19: You know, it's only been a couple of weeks that

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Speaker 19: we've had this election campaign. Going Mike and to telling

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Speaker 19: the trees. That's been a bit like speed dating, you know,

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Speaker 19: you get all this stuff thrown at you and you're

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Speaker 19: just not really quite sure where everyone's at. But yeah,

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Speaker 19: Jordan Mandala, who's been really making the running on this

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Speaker 19: election campaign, the darling of the far right. He had

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Speaker 19: his first press conference today. He didn't really shine. I

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Speaker 19: have to say every now and then he was given

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Speaker 19: a question that for a seasoned politician would have just

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Speaker 19: battered about. He just every time went completely blank and

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Speaker 19: moved on to the next question. But we did get

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Speaker 19: a bit of a bit of flesh on the bones,

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Speaker 19: things like your preference for French people for jobs, prohibiting

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Speaker 19: dual nationals from serving insecurity and defense, another look at

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Speaker 19: how easy it is for children born on French sword

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Speaker 19: to get citizenship of their parents of foreigners. Cut energy tax.

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Speaker 19: Not sure how that would work given the current state

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Speaker 19: of the country's finances, and he's also said that there's

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Speaker 19: also going to be massive cuts in the cost of living.

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Speaker 19: So how that's going to work, no one's quite sure.

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Speaker 19: But it does seem to be that the person that

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Speaker 19: everyone dislikes the most, Emmanuel Macron, is just as detested

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Speaker 19: in the electorate, and so he's been paying a very

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Speaker 19: strange romike. He wrote a letter to the French people yesterday.

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Speaker 19: It's one way of getting it out there, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: And he said that he's heard the message and that

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Speaker 19: things will be different after these elections. But he's promised

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Speaker 19: to everyone that he will not resign. He will see

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Speaker 19: out his term until twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: All right, ketchups and Casmin appreciate it very much. Couple

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Speaker 2: of rounds in that election, by the way, just to

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Speaker 2: keep you off to be and I knowe Michael Barnier,

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Speaker 2: remember Michael Barnier exit Brixwit. He reckons that Macron's driven

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Speaker 2: them to a frixit. This is immigration. He's ignored an

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Speaker 2: immigration and it's going to bite him in the bump

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Speaker 2: just before we leave Europe quickly. By the way, the

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Speaker 2: European Union yet again says Apple is in breach of

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Speaker 2: its Digital Markets Act it does not allow customers of

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Speaker 2: its app store to be steered to alternatives. The fees

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Speaker 2: Apple charges developers for the initial acquisition of the new

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Speaker 2: customers via the app store go beyond what is strictly necessary.

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Speaker 2: Also opened a new probe into Apple over whether some

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Speaker 2: of its rules around allowing third party app stores are

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Speaker 2: apps to be downloaded from websites complies with the DMA,

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Speaker 2: so the old battle between the EU and Apple rolls

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Speaker 2: on for another day. Ten to seven on My.

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Speaker 3: Cost Gel Breakfast with Jaguar News, Tom zb.

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Speaker 2: Mike. How about a Pacific Island's news update a bit

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Speaker 2: more regularly, You billy know that's kicked off again in

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Speaker 2: New Caledonia unless you look at the international papers. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my friend. I gave the update a twenty

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Speaker 2: past six. If your alarm doesn't go, I start at sex.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I start at five. If you can't join us,

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Speaker 2: it's not my fault. I can't go around repeating everything

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Speaker 2: over and over again. Don't you tell me I'm not

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Speaker 2: covering the world best airline and the world Qatar cutter Cutter,

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Speaker 2: Singapore and Emirates all serving New Zealand. Fiji Yah beats

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. What does that tell you? Fourteenth for Fiji,

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Speaker 2: best cabin Cruise, Singapore low cost Airline, None of them. Oh,

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Speaker 2: eir Asia comes here, best low cost airline in the world.

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Speaker 2: These are the Skytrack Awards Cleanest Airline, Weird category. Cathay

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Speaker 2: wins Most Improved. Saudi Arabian Airlines Egypt, Deya and neither

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Speaker 2: come here in New Zealand's twentieth What are they twentieth?

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Speaker 2: And I've forgotten the category best in flight Entertainment. I

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Speaker 2: find that hard to believe. Not that I don't love

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Speaker 2: that in New Zealand, but JESU have you seen their

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Speaker 2: in flight Try Singapore and Emirates Airline staff Asia Pacific

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand comes second, good stuff behind fijiir Interestingly

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Speaker 2: best Airport Services. Astonished to see that Auckland's not in

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Speaker 2: their Best Airport Services? How did they not make that list?

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Speaker 2: First class Singapore air France and Emirates. Two of those

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Speaker 2: airlines come to the country, which is good business. Qatar wins,

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Speaker 2: Singapore Emirates and they're also servicing the country. Best business

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Speaker 2: class lounge in the Asia Pacific region in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Premium Economy New Zealand comes twelfth, twelfth, The New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Premium Economy in New Zealand comes are the seats come fourth? Else?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you that it's interesting? Family friendly in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand ninth. I don't know how they measure that

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Speaker 2: family freeline friendly air line and the Asia Pacific in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand wins fantastic best airline in the Asia Pacific Fiji,

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Speaker 2: follow Bay in New Zealand. Suppose of some awards there.

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Speaker 2: You know how awards go after you have won a few.

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Speaker 2: They're just in another award five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 3: All the inns are the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz on the Mike Husking Breakfast on Newstalk.

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Speaker 2: S b Ferrari all electric model. They've just opened a

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Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty million dollars e building in Marinello

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Speaker 2: that will for now produce traditional engines alongside hybrid's, but

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Speaker 2: it will eventually make electrics. All the electric cars are

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Speaker 2: in the early stages. The boss says they've done some

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Speaker 2: tests and the early results are quote has all the

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Speaker 2: driving traits and emotions of a true Ferrari. What crap

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Speaker 2: I happen to be lucky enough to have owned three Ferraris,

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Speaker 2: and I can tell you what makes a Ferrari special.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a battery. I can tell you it's

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Speaker 2: not a battery. Any whatever they produce isn't due to

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Speaker 2: be launched until Q four of next year. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to try and recreate the iconic sound of a

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Speaker 2: Ferrari through fake audio programs. That's good, they say, listen

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Speaker 2: to this. An electric engine isn't in fact silent, and

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Speaker 2: their new model will show it off in a unique way.

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Speaker 2: That's why you pay a million dollars for a Ferrari,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. They decline to give a price on the

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Speaker 2: all new electric model. They won't say how many sales

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Speaker 2: they've done so far. They also don't have sales targets.

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Speaker 2: Last year they produced under fourteen thousand cars demanded still

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Speaker 2: through the roof, as there's a three year waiting list.

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Speaker 2: Here's my top tip for Ferrari. When you're producing a

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Speaker 2: very small number of cars every year and the demand

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Speaker 2: is through the roof and there's a three year waiting list,

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Speaker 2: concentrate on what actually does well for your business. And

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Speaker 2: they are cars that go brumbrum, and they're not cars

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Speaker 2: that don't make any noise or make some sort of

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Speaker 2: weird noise in a unique way that you're going to

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Speaker 2: showcase at some sort of later date. Come on, wake

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Speaker 2: up and smell the fumes. So the cancer man, did

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Speaker 2: the money rain down on farmac or what Chris Jackson

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Speaker 2: is whether it's on this Chris de ber Luxen After

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Speaker 2: seven thirty as.

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Speaker 1: Well demanding the answers from the decision makers.

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Speaker 3: The Mic Hosking.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Avida Live, The Age You Feel News Talk sad.

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Speaker 2: Be seven past seven. So when it finally arrived, it

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Speaker 2: had an avalanche feel to at over six hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars worth of new medical funding for FARMAC and doing so,

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Speaker 2: the National Party, at least in part, put right what

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Speaker 2: should never gone wrong in the first place. Twenty six

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Speaker 2: new cancer treatments are part of the six hundred and

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Speaker 2: four million dollar package. One hundred and seventy five thousand

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Speaker 2: people are going to be better off. Medical on cologist

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Speaker 2: doctor Chris Jackson with us Good Morning.

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Speaker 3: Jilln and Michael.

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Speaker 2: You were part of the list of thirteen, the original

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Speaker 2: list of thirteen. Should they have ever gone down that

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Speaker 2: particular route? In your view, absolutely not.

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Speaker 21: The list wasn't ever designed to be a shopping list.

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Speaker 21: It was a snapshot in time which compared New Jill

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Speaker 21: into Australia. And what we've had here is an excellent

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Speaker 21: outcome from an terrible process.

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Speaker 2: So that's good, isn't it? Because of the r As

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Speaker 2: much as you want to bag what they did, the

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Speaker 2: end result counts and boy did it count yesterday? It

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Speaker 2: looked enormous.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, we've never had any investments of this extent, Mike,

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Speaker 21: in the entirety of farm accessory. I mean, six hundred

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Speaker 21: million is a very very very big number, and we

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Speaker 21: have never had this many cancer drugs funded at once

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Speaker 21: at any time. So despite the way we got here,

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Speaker 21: I'm absolutely utterly thrilled. There are still quite a few

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Speaker 21: fishops though, Mike. You know, when you dumped twenty six

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Speaker 21: cancer medicines into the system at once, the largest ever,

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Speaker 21: you do create a bit of a capacity demand issue,

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Speaker 21: And the cancer services are already pretty tight, and there's a

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Speaker 21: number of services around the country which have already got

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Speaker 21: waiting lists in place, and so if we don't fund

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Speaker 21: the infrastructure for them, the chemo units, the nurses and

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Speaker 21: the light, then you can end up with cancer waiting

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Speaker 21: lists in six to twelve months time. So we've got

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Speaker 21: to be careful about how we do this thing.

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Speaker 2: That struck me yesterday, one hundred and seventy five thousand

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Speaker 2: people are going to be That's a lot of sick

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Speaker 2: people in this country, isn't it that weren't getting here?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: Absolutely, I mean we've said for a long time utils

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Speaker 21: behind when it comes to access to cancer medications, and

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Speaker 21: it's great to see the government recognizing this. I think

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Speaker 21: their intent when they did, you know, announce their policy

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Speaker 21: was to acknowledge that demand and acknowledge that need. So

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Speaker 21: as pleased that we're putting focus on cancer policies. But

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Speaker 21: as I said to you at the time, politicians shouldn't

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Speaker 21: be picking cancer medicines. They should get out of the

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Speaker 21: way and let fame do their job.

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Speaker 2: Has that been the lesson in this once and for all,

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Speaker 2: good or bad, right or wrong. Farmac is the model

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Speaker 2: and we should stick with it.

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Speaker 18: Well, it's been a lot of problems, and there are

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Speaker 18: a few problems with.

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Speaker 21: This announcement and how it's going to be delivered, but

651
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Speaker 21: it is the best of a bad bunch of all alternatives.

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Speaker 21: The last thing you want is Polly's picking drugs. You

653
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Speaker 21: certainly don't want a big farmer getting large blank checks

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Speaker 21: from the state, and you don't want those who tell

655
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Speaker 21: the biggest story through the media to que jump. What

656
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Speaker 21: we've had here is by lifting out farm X budget,

657
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Speaker 21: you've had cancer hasn't q jumped all the other medications.

658
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Speaker 21: It has been twenty six drugs plus fifty total. So

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Speaker 21: other areas have benefited too. It's cost them an awful

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Speaker 21: lot of money because of the political problem they've created.

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Speaker 21: It would have been cheaper to do it another way,

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Speaker 21: and I'm really really pleased how we've landed. We need

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Speaker 21: to make sure the implementation's done well now, because if

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Speaker 21: it's not, we're going to create another problem just down

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Speaker 21: the line.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate time. Chris Jackson on College just of course, and

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Speaker 2: the author of the original Thirteen Drugs christpher Luxen with

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Speaker 2: more on this after seven thirty ten minutes past seven OSCA.

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Speaker 2: It was indeed as comedic as we had feared. If

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Speaker 2: you take a lot of bolts out of something that

671
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Speaker 2: is anchored to the ground, it will probably fall over.

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Speaker 2: This particular Northland power cockup was the fauld of contractor

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Speaker 2: a maxim Their incompetence cost the region somewhere between sixteen

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Speaker 2: eight million dollars fung the redistrict may have Vince Cacilla

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Speaker 2: is with us. Vince morning to you. Hard to believe

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Speaker 2: we didn't write this as a comedy, isn't it. I mean,

677
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Speaker 2: you can't make this stuff up.

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Speaker 16: It does become quite humorous if you have a look

679
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Speaker 16: at it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what are you going to do about the sixty

681
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Speaker 2: to eighty? Is there any way of getting that back?

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Speaker 2: I mean I was affected personally and maybe I don't

683
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Speaker 2: know what I would have lost twenty bucks or something,

684
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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be bothered, and I suspect

685
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Speaker 2: most people are the same. Is there some way around

686
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Speaker 2: this or not?

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Speaker 16: Look, I was one of what of questions went through

688
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Speaker 16: trends of our last or last week and also this

689
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Speaker 16: week with the business community. We've had a couple of

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Speaker 16: businesses well one in particular j now on Jupernicial delivers

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Speaker 16: it and they lost between four hundred and five hundred

692
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Speaker 16: thousand dollars. So yeah, it's the bigger guys, or just

693
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Speaker 16: say the big companies. Sometimes they can wear it, sometimes

694
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Speaker 16: they can't, and in this situation, it's probably to a

695
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Speaker 16: point where they company can't and a lot of them

696
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Speaker 16: are in that space. So Transpower basically said, look, you know,

697
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Speaker 16: we're going to have to take the brunch of this. However,

698
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Speaker 16: you've got to go through your own insurance company at

699
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Speaker 16: this present moment. So not all waiting to hear is

700
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Speaker 16: what is actually finding because I know that they've come

701
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Speaker 16: out and see it. Hey, it's the bolts coming out. However,

702
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Speaker 16: the actual investigation onto this on top of that will

703
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Speaker 16: actually come out and say, Okay, where does where the

704
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Speaker 16: insurance companies go to when they try to make a claim.

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Speaker 2: Well, that'll be the company. That'll be the company that

706
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Speaker 2: employs the people who take the bolts out, won't it,

707
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Speaker 2: given that the people who take the bolts out made

708
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Speaker 2: the mistake, And that's fairly obvious, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: Well, I don't want to throw assumptions out there just

710
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Speaker 16: at the moment. I prefer to make sure we get

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Speaker 16: everything right first.

712
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Speaker 2: But you talk about whether they can wear it or not.

713
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Speaker 2: They shouldn't have to wear it when there's this sort

714
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Speaker 2: of idiocy about the place. Somebody needs to pay the price,

715
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Speaker 2: don't they.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, Look, there could be other sides for the story

717
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Speaker 16: as well.

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Speaker 2: For example, something I mean that idiots came along and

719
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Speaker 2: took bolts out of the bloody thing and it fell over.

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Speaker 16: Yes, Mike, but who was supervising?

721
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Speaker 2: Oh, for God's sake, don't be somebody in charge. I mean,

722
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Speaker 2: it's all it's it's the people from the company that

723
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Speaker 2: did it. It doesn't matter who's supervising them. If you've

724
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Speaker 2: got a contract to maintain a tower and you go

725
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Speaker 2: along take the bolts out and the tower falls over,

726
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Speaker 2: it's on you, right.

727
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Speaker 16: So let's let's say you've got a young apprentices there.

728
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Speaker 16: He's been told to do a job. Now, he hasn't

729
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Speaker 16: been supervised, he hasn't been looked after. There could be

730
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Speaker 16: whole pile of scenarios that we don't know about.

731
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you know you compensations or do you want

732
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Speaker 2: to give the look?

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Speaker 16: Look, the big thing is the contractors need to take

734
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Speaker 16: responsible absolutely. He turns out needs to take responsibility for

735
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Speaker 16: it as well, and they then they are. So what

736
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Speaker 16: we've got is we've got the helpful of businesses that

737
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Speaker 16: need to. Some of them need to have compensations. Some

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Speaker 16: of them, you know, as you said, you know, tweet

739
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Speaker 16: dolls for yourself, they don't. They don't need to. I

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Speaker 16: do know that some of the businesses in Sugatay and

741
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Speaker 16: Northland were actually okay, some of them were not, and

742
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Speaker 16: quite a few of them were not. Should I actually

743
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Speaker 16: say so those are the ones that really do need

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Speaker 16: to get some sort of conversation. Some of them have

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Speaker 16: got insurances and some of their insurance packages will not

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Speaker 16: cover NoHo.

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Speaker 2: Mean, the moment you claim on your insurance, your a

748
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: premium goes up next to you. Why are you putting

749
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Speaker 2: your premium up because some dick with a span it

750
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Speaker 2: went along and took too many nuts or bolts out.

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Speaker 16: And that's exactly right. So it's what we need to

752
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Speaker 16: find out is we've come up with them saying the

753
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Speaker 16: bolts have come out, the contracts take done that fine, sweet,

754
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Speaker 16: Now they're doing their own report to cover who actually

755
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Speaker 16: takes the liability of it. And that's that's more the

756
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Speaker 16: bigger issue, because we need to find out who actually

757
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Speaker 16: takes liability so the insurances can actually make claim or

758
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Speaker 16: actually so the businesses can actually make claim to those

759
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Speaker 16: companies because Transpower, I know north Power and top Energy

760
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Speaker 16: they work out of the way to get Northam back

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Speaker 16: up and run again, and I know Victor did that

762
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Speaker 16: down in Auckland as well. Just keep them going. We're

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Speaker 16: very very thankful that we had Nassa up there which

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Speaker 16: was actually able to keep more from going. If we'd

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Speaker 16: had the fast tracking in place, we would have had

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Speaker 16: a battery back down at Mileston Point that would have

767
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Speaker 16: also helped up the situation. So the whole pile of

768
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Speaker 16: things that could have happened if we'd had the place.

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Speaker 16: Now we haven't, so we've got to take.

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Speaker 2: It's another learning, isn't it, I guess? But I always

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Speaker 2: enjoy having you on the program. Appreciate very much. Vince Cocarilla,

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Speaker 2: who's the Fungarray District mayor Christine Rankin. There's another firecracker

773
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Speaker 2: coming shortly stand by fourteen minutes past seven. The hosts

774
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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson after right works you through the players in

775
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Speaker 2: the season. As the Robertson era begins seventeen past seven,

776
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Speaker 2: crackdown on those who take it a bit easy on

777
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Speaker 2: the old job seekers arrived. You will now have to

778
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Speaker 2: do a work check in after six months to assess

779
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Speaker 2: how that search is going. Started yesterday. It's part of

780
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Speaker 2: the wider welfare reset. The former Winsbass Christine Rankin is

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Speaker 2: whether it's Christine morning.

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Speaker 22: To you, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Is there subtlety in nuance in this under the current system,

784
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Speaker 2: of course, the market's tightening up. There are fewer jobs

785
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Speaker 2: about when you go in and go look, I know

786
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Speaker 2: I've been unemployed for six months, but here are my qualifications.

787
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Speaker 2: Here's what I've applied to there are no jobs. Does

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Speaker 2: that get taken into account?

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Speaker 22: I think there'll be some kind of balance in there.

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Speaker 22: But most of the jobs that we are really talking about,

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Speaker 22: our entry level jobs, and wherever you go, there is

792
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Speaker 22: still a huge need. Like you're not expected to get

793
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Speaker 22: the job that you've normally had. Your responsibility is to

794
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Speaker 22: get a job that pays you more than a benefit,

795
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Speaker 22: and that is still not a hard thing to do.

796
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Speaker 22: There's a lot of need out there in certain areas.

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Speaker 22: So I don't think that's done to what You're not

798
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 22: supposed to get the job you had before unless that

799
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Speaker 22: is easily available to you. Your benefit is a privilege,

800
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Speaker 22: not a right, and I think that's been confused over

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Speaker 22: the years, particularly with the last government.

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Speaker 2: So how much do you reckon of one hundred and

803
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Speaker 2: sixty seventy eighty thousand people on job seeker, what percentage

804
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Speaker 2: roughly do you believe are just trying it on?

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Speaker 22: Oh, easily thirty or forty percent.

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Speaker 2: Their big numbers. That's tens of thousands of people.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, it is. And you've got to remember, you get

808
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Speaker 22: on a benefit and a lot of things happened to

809
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Speaker 22: you. You lose any confidence you ever had you become complacent.

810
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Speaker 22: It's not an easy life. But a lot of people

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Speaker 22: do other things to prop up their benefit and we've

812
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Speaker 22: never faced that in New Zealand either. Well we have

813
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Speaker 22: in the past. You know, we had benefit crimes gods

814
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Speaker 22: which were seen as a terrible thing but detected huge

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Speaker 22: one hundred million dollars a year when I was there

816
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Speaker 22: twenty years ago. Tip of the iceberg, Tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this will actually work?

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Speaker 22: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I do.

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Speaker 22: I think the program's going to get more and more comprehensive.

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Speaker 22: Was a bit worried to hear that it's a six

822
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Speaker 22: month check. I think that's giving them a long time

823
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Speaker 22: to get off of benefit. But I'm sure that that

824
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Speaker 22: will tighten up. This government and this minister are really

825
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Speaker 22: serious about this, and anyone who thinks it's going to

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Speaker 22: go away, the pressure is going to come off. I'm

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Speaker 22: absolutely sure the.

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Speaker 2: Role good stuff. Christine good to catch up, appreciate a

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Speaker 2: Christine rank and form of when's boss. Might touch on

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Speaker 2: this with Christoph Luxen in a couple of moments. Might

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Speaker 2: the contract to subcontractor should have public liability insurance. Sounds

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Speaker 2: I think why they're doing yet another investigation into it

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835
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Speaker 2: they don't until put Putin rolls into Ukraine and then

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00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: suddenly they're panic. We talk military up here as well.

867
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: We see it as vital, but we make the same

868
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: mistake until it gets too embarrassing to ignore. Two the

869
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: fairies that seems on Keiwirail Keiwhirel don't seem to be

870
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: up to much. I mean, yes, they've been mucked around

871
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: over the years by various governments as well as I

872
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 2: said yesterday, read the paperwork between them and Grant Robertson

873
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: over what they were looking to do and what it

874
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: was costing, and how clearly they had no control over

875
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: what was going on and blowing out. Governments can't run

876
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: literally everything on a daily basis, and it is KiwiRail

877
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: who have let the government down on this one and

878
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: badly three the power tower. Inconceivable was the word, given

879
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: it took us about well three and a half minutes

880
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: to work it out, and given it only took them

881
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: less than a weekend to join a few dots. They

882
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: really shouldn't have been so defensive that the way they

883
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: were on this program Friday idiots were in charge of spanis.

884
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean, why they've launched a further inquiry baffles me.

885
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: Once you've worked out thick people don't follow instructions, what

886
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: else is there to investigate? So basically a shocking week

887
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: for a country that's having a tough time of it. Anyway,

888
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: all of it was avoidable, but we arrived here through

889
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: different channels. Indifference, politics and lack of vision for a plane,

890
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: laziness and contempt over other people's money and lack of

891
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: discipline for a ferry, and people you wouldn't hire a

892
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: walk your dog over a tower, all of it avoidable,

893
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: all of it more expensive now because of the action's

894
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: not taking at other time. So the trick is, have

895
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: we learned anything? And if we have, do we put

896
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: it into action? Do we get better? Do we work harder?

897
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Do we try harder? Do we want to improve fasking morning,

898
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Mike Pete Here, Vince has a point. It's very rarely

899
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: the fault of the poor schmuck with the spanner. Where

900
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: was the project planned, job safety, assessment, training, supervision. You're

901
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: missing the point. My point is not Brian the apprentice.

902
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: It's the company whose job it was to do the

903
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: job who didn't do the job. I don't care who

904
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: individually it was. It's the company who didn't do it.

905
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: That's on them. We already know that. Mike Vince sounds

906
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: like he's angling for a job in the public sector.

907
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Mike Farmack, give some credit to Paula Bennett. Maybe she

908
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: took over far mac mid May. A month later, Seymour

909
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: and Nikola Willis found six hundred million to join the dots. Well,

910
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: this here's the interesting thing that I'll talk to Krystall

911
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 2: Luxan Abu. They haven't found six hundred million at all.

912
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're putting it up against next years.

913
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: And this is the interesting thing. Two point five four billion, right,

914
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: the operating grant is two point four billion a year,

915
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: and they made much of that during the budget. They said, hey,

916
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: that grant Robertson at three point whatever, you look at us,

917
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: we're going to make it less and it was two

918
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: point four. They've already cashed up six hundred of the

919
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: two point four and the two point four was so

920
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: tight it was embarrassing at the time. Just remember, go

921
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: back a couple of months to the budget. We said,

922
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: are you serious, you're not going to be able to

923
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: run the country. This has got no room for weird

924
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: stuff you didn't see coming. Well, hello, weird stuff they

925
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: didn't see coming as a riot six hundred million dollars worth.

926
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: So we'll ask the Prime Minister about that. Mike, what

927
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: happens of Transpower? Told the contractor to undo the nuts.

928
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: It's a maintenance program. They were there for regular maintenance.

929
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: They were doing that. They cocked it up. Let's not

930
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: try and complicate something that doesn't need complicating. People who

931
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: were employed to do their job didn't do their job beginning,

932
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: middle and end and they're going to have to pay

933
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: for it. Isn't this a simple case Mike, of a

934
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: firm making use of the public liability insurance? Probably we'll

935
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: find out and see where it goes. Lux and next.

936
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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and views, The Mic Hosking

937
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Jaguar, The Art of Performance News Togs d B.

938
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Scott Robertson after eight o'clock the era has begun. We

939
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: want to work through so much of the boy. We're

940
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: not going to get into that debate of why didn't

941
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: you pick him? And you did pick him. We're not

942
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: going down that track. We got bigger, we got bigger

943
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: imagery questions to be asked and answered. I think after

944
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: eight o'clock this morning, meantime, twenty three minutes away from

945
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: a Prime minister chrystopa, Lux's with us. Very good morning

946
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: to you morning, Mike. How are you very well? Indeed?

947
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: So what we're going to do is continue with yesterday's

948
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: post cabinet press conference, and what I would like you

949
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: to do is apologize for the drug thing. And then

950
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you nine or ten more times

951
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: to apologize and keep apologizing me.

952
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 12: Oh, look, I appreciate you Mike, that you've actually seen

953
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 12: through at all, which is I've delivered on a promise

954
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 12: and more than to pass what I promised. So yep,

955
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 12: there's a different process. Yeah, we've got and there in

956
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 12: a different way. But the most important thing is you

957
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 12: and I both people that are dealing with cancer and

958
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 12: hopefully give some people some hope, which is great.

959
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, despite their

960
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: best efforts, what we got from it was the realism.

961
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: I mean, you shouldn't have done what you did in

962
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: the thirteen and that was a mistake and all that

963
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: sort of thing, but in the end we got better

964
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: than we thought and you can't argue with that. And

965
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people being helped.

966
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it goes from several thousand people to

967
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 12: one hundred and seventy five thousand people and twenty six

968
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 12: new cancer treatments up to fifty four as part of

969
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 12: a package of fifty four more medicine. So yeah, look,

970
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 12: I mean I think it is president I think it's

971
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 12: quite a transferacial investment. I think it's something as a politician,

972
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 12: I Jammie feel proud about this one. Yes, it's different

973
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 12: from what we propose, but actually I'm more interested in

974
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 12: the outcomes, and I promised those outcomes and we've now

975
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 12: surpassed those outcomes, which is good.

976
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: Are you settled on farmac or were you trying to

977
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: do something different with the original thirteen idea? Another word

978
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: suggesting farmac, wasn't it.

979
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 18: Yeah?

980
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 12: Look, I mean in opposition, we were looking at it saying, look,

981
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 12: bus these thirteen cancer drugs that we know would have

982
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 12: some benefit to New Zealand as there exist in Australia

983
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 12: more or less, they should be here. Let's find a

984
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 12: pathway to get them to New Zealanders. And then when

985
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 12: we came to government, it was like, well, yes, we

986
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 12: could go outside farming to deliver them, but actually we

987
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 12: don't want. You know, farming actually works quite well in

988
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 12: the sense of having to negotiate the prices for these

989
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 12: things as drugs as well as obviously determine the efficacy

990
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 12: of them, and so putting it back and making sure

991
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 12: it was in the parmac process was important. Ultimately we decided,

992
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 12: but it just took a bit longer than we anticipated.

993
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 12: But I've got there and I think we've got a

994
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 12: really good outcome, and I just you know, just say

995
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 12: to people, think about your friends and family that are

996
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 12: dealing with it. I'm thinking of three or four people

997
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 12: that I know going through cancer battles at the moment,

998
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 12: and this will make a big difference to them. So, yep,

999
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 12: the means is different. But most importantly, we delivered on

1000
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 12: the promise in the commitment.

1001
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: Exactly what you didn't answer to my satisfaction yesterday is

1002
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: the six hundred and three million dollars you seem to

1003
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: be thinking about. You'll find some savings here there. This

1004
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: is your operating budget already coming under stress, isn't it.

1005
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 12: Yeah, it'll come out of budget twenty twenty five operating allowance.

1006
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 12: There is some also contingency year that have been you

1007
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 12: know that we have. You know, we use this year

1008
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 12: as well. The other point I was trying to make yesterday,

1009
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 12: which was that you know, people seem to think that,

1010
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 12: you know, our ongoing savings drive here on government spending

1011
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 12: when it's one hundred billion dollars. You know, there needs

1012
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 12: to be an ongoing daily practice here of just making

1013
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 12: sure that everything we're spending money on is making an impact.

1014
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 12: And you know that is just an ongoing piece of

1015
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 12: work I'm expecting to drive. You know, we're already starting

1016
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 12: thinking about save more savings programs, you know, and I'm

1017
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 12: expecting CEOs to manage those big budgets. You know, we've

1018
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 12: put you know, sixteen point seven billion dollars investment into health.

1019
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 12: You know, we've put big investments into education, into police.

1020
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 12: You know, we want those organizations to make sure all

1021
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 12: of that money is getting the results. That's what I'm interesting.

1022
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: But if you think about it in an ol fashion way,

1023
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: technically speaking, what you announced yesterday, you don't have the

1024
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: money for right here, right now, and you weren't planning

1025
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: on that. That's correct, isn't it.

1026
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 12: Well, it's just that as we went through the budget process,

1027
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 12: we realized we needed a bit more time to work

1028
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 12: out the detail of how we're going to and it's

1029
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 12: not unusual that we'd put the provision against budget twenty

1030
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 12: twenty five. But we also have a contingency money that

1031
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 12: will enable us to get up and going and moving,

1032
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 12: and so it doesn't stop us from pushing forward in

1033
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 12: October and getting these drug starting to come through. But

1034
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 12: also we've got an ongoing savings program which we're determined

1035
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 12: to keep driving. And that is it's a different mindset

1036
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 12: that I'm trying to put into Wellington, which is you've

1037
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 12: got a heap of government spending. You just can't you know,

1038
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 12: because we've had a program that we've always spent money on.

1039
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 12: If it's not working, un delivery results, stop it, knock

1040
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 12: it on the head and put it into something else.

1041
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 12: And so it's a very different mindset versus just let

1042
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 12: me get some new incremental money to add on to

1043
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 12: the money that I've already got. I want these agencies

1044
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 12: to think about the total investment that they've got going

1045
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 12: on and actually asked questions of how they get more

1046
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 12: efficiency out of that, not just the new money they

1047
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 12: get eat budget.

1048
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: If you were frustrated with that yesterday, what you were

1049
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: frustrated at, seemingly were your comments on the youth camps

1050
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: and this ongoing commentary that we just whine about the

1051
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: fact that we need to do what we've been doing forever.

1052
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: Is that a Beltway intellectual left wing it doesn't work thing,

1053
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: Or have you missed something here and you're not convincing

1054
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: New Zealander, is that a youth camp might actually have

1055
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: some effective results.

1056
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 12: I'll just come at it looking saying, look the situation

1057
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 12: wherein it's just unacceptable, right. I mean, I was at

1058
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 12: a jewelry store last year, Pooja Jewelers Good got hit

1059
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 12: with a hammer over the weekend. He's now in hospital

1060
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 12: mature when I visited yesterday morning, and I just say, man,

1061
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 12: we're sick of this, right, I'm.

1062
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 18: Sick of it.

1063
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 12: You're sick of it. We're all sick of it. And

1064
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 12: you can't sit there and say, gammer about fifty percent

1065
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 12: violent crime at thirty three percent, ram raids up, you know,

1066
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 12: four times, retail climate one hundred percent and say everything's

1067
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 12: fine and the Zealand it's not fine, and it's not

1068
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 12: fair that New Zealanders are not safe from their homes

1069
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 12: and business community. So I'm sorry. People can intellectualize and

1070
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 12: give me their punditary and commentary about boot camps. But

1071
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 12: I am going to try and do things differently because

1072
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 12: we have to get a different thing of outcomes. Just

1073
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 12: doing more of the same and intellectualizing, having lovely debates

1074
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 12: and discussions interesting to a point that doesn't get the

1075
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 12: job done. So I am going to do these military academies.

1076
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Speaker 12: We're going to put a pilot in July. We've got

1077
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 12: a blend of military involvement and principles as well as

1078
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 12: obviously community support. We know we've got to do a

1079
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 12: better job when these kids come out of these residential

1080
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 12: programs that are on the right program, but then they

1081
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 12: go back into the environments that actually take them back

1082
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 12: into a bad pathway and I'm putting investment into that.

1083
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 12: So you know, I just sort of like, you know,

1084
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 12: people can say what they want, but at the end

1085
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 12: of the day, you know, weirdly get the job done

1086
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 12: because one of the set of three compments the mainers

1087
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 12: men are a stored or an audit and we have

1088
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 12: to do that because people need to feel safe, and

1089
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 12: you know, you and I live in Auckland. Then you

1090
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 12: go down to the Auckland CBD. Well, we're going to

1091
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 12: have fifty one more costs by the end of July

1092
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 12: down on the CBD on the beat doing what we

1093
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 12: want them to do and be highly visible to crack

1094
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 12: down on what is a pretty antisocial behavior going on

1095
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 12: down there. And people don't want to go in to

1096
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 12: the city anymore. So you know, you've got to do stuff.

1097
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 12: You've got to try stuff, and I don't even care

1098
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 12: whether it does or doesn't work. Oftenately, I am going

1099
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 12: to try stuff to get a differency of outcomes. So

1100
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 12: I thought of, yeah, bit of frustration this today is

1101
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 12: you know, as people asking aroundo questions around it, but

1102
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 12: it's like, well, I'm sorry, but we're going.

1103
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: To do stuff, can we rail? Have they let you down?

1104
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, I mean it's sort of not a great

1105
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 12: thing that when you see that our cherrier, you know,

1106
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 12: strended like it was obviously a series of investigations as

1107
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 12: to what happened here, and we've obviously got had a

1108
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 12: big problem with respect to the irex project where massive

1109
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 12: cost by and some practical considerations around import infrastructure that

1110
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 12: sort of made that project untenable and just doesn't work.

1111
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 12: What we have done and said, look, you know, and

1112
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 12: you remember we picked this up in the first couple

1113
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 12: of weeks in government is we've put a Minister of

1114
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 12: the Advisory Group in just three folk that have looked

1115
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 12: at all the options about the procurement of the new fairies.

1116
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 12: That report's just come to Shareholding Minister at the end

1117
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 12: of last week. They'll digest that and we'll get a

1118
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 12: good option for that. But we need the right ship

1119
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 12: on the right piece of water to deal with the

1120
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 12: challenge that we've got.

1121
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 2: Reported this morning that Nicola Willis went to them and said,

1122
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: you're spending far too much on consultants. So you're aware

1123
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: of that, yep. Right, So they're spending far too much

1124
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: on consultants and they're still going backwards at a rate

1125
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: of knots and stranding their ships. The chairman's already go

1126
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 2: on the board. Why do they have nine board members?

1127
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: For god's sake, how many board members do you need?

1128
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Speaker 12: Well, all I just say on that front is, you know,

1129
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 12: we'll work with them to get a reliable cookstraight crossing,

1130
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 12: and we're going to work with a refreshed board. And so, yes,

1131
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 12: the chairman has resigned last week and we've accepted that,

1132
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 12: and we need to refresh that board because clearly the

1133
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 12: results aren't good enough.

1134
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: See, because part of the problem is so the plane

1135
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: I blame on you and other governments. You didn't spend

1136
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: when you should have because it's political blah blah blah.

1137
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: This is their fault. Should they be called out on it.

1138
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: You've been let down by a company that should be

1139
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: doing better. Is that fair?

1140
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 12: Well, look, I think that's a fair challenge. I think

1141
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 12: here we rail are responsible for the mainstonance of their

1142
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 12: current fleet. The asset life for those fairies is out

1143
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 12: to twenty twenty nine from what I've seen. And it's

1144
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 12: about making sure is that if you're an airline of

1145
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 12: other transport company or a faery company, you've got to

1146
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 12: make sure you've got the maintenance programs in place to

1147
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 12: support those assets. That's quite normal whether you've got trucks, planes,

1148
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 12: or furies or boats. So that is what they're responsible

1149
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 12: to make sure that they are maintaining those vessels in.

1150
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: The right way.

1151
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 12: What we've which, yeah, well, and we've got to you know,

1152
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 12: there's a critical piece of infrastructure. We get it, we

1153
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 12: understand it. We've taken action to try and get procurement

1154
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 12: of those ships into a number of options that we

1155
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 12: want to see presented to us. And we've got to

1156
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 12: get the right size, right ship on that piece of

1157
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 12: order to do the job at hand. And so I'm

1158
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 12: confident we can do it. But we are, you know,

1159
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 12: we're working quite hard.

1160
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 2: On that super quick because I'm almost out of time.

1161
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: This medical hiring thing, so they claim as there's a

1162
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: medical hiring freeze for front liners. They say, no, there's not.

1163
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: What they're now saying is that it's so difficult to

1164
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: get a doctor in a hospital that the criteria is

1165
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: so high it's it's virtually a freeze. What's the truth.

1166
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, I saw that sort of blow upse people

1167
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 12: talk about that last week. I can tell you, like

1168
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 12: the recruitment for clinical roles is continuing. It haven't actually

1169
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 12: been frozen, as I understand because I was Shane Rigy

1170
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 12: about that when I think you raise it at the

1171
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 12: end of at the end of last week. But just

1172
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 12: there is a moved assents from a national approval process

1173
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 12: to one that's led by hospital leaders, which is actually

1174
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 12: what you want because you want the individual hospitals actually

1175
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 12: recruiting for what they need to meet local needs. So

1176
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 12: there's it's a bit confusing that one as to where

1177
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 12: people are coming from. And we've also even said the hunts,

1178
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 12: we've made pretty progress on recruiting more nurses. I think

1179
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 12: there's been about three two hundred people from Memory just

1180
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 12: in April and May that have been hired to work

1181
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 12: in Healthy Zealand. So yeah, it's a bit confused by

1182
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 12: that one as to what the getual issue is and

1183
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 12: what people are saying, because we know we've got workforce

1184
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 12: challengers We've been moving at pace, trying and recruit more nurses.

1185
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 12: In particular. We haven't frozen anything we might have. I

1186
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 12: think healthy Zeon has changed the process, but it's a

1187
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 12: better process anyways to get the right people in the

1188
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 12: right role in the right place.

1189
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Speaker 2: Appreciate time. Chrystal Lux and Prime Minister thirteen to wait

1190
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: the mic hosting breakfast tend to wait high Michive correspondents

1191
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: from the media, Mike, it's Rachel Thomas from the Post.

1192
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: I wrote the story about the medicine's announcement last week,

1193
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 2: which you proclaimed repeatedly to Nikola Willison all your listeners

1194
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: was wrong. I didn't proclaim it at all. Long come

1195
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: back to that yesterday. All the details in the story

1196
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: were validated. You should correct the record with your listener's

1197
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: patients have been missed around too long. Interesting line about

1198
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: patients having been missed around too long. It's a very

1199
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: editorial stance, So I see where you're coming from. I

1200
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: never proclaimed the story was wrong. I asked Nichola Willis

1201
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: where the announcement was coming on Friday. She said it wasn't,

1202
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: so I said, is it coming today? And the reason

1203
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: I asked whether it's coming today because your story also

1204
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: said it had not been signed off by cabinet, so

1205
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: there was a conflict of information. Was it coming on Friday.

1206
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: If it was coming on Friday, it needed to have

1207
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: been signed off by cabinet, but your story stated it

1208
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: hadn't been And cabinet meets on Monday and it was Friday,

1209
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: so if they hadn't signed it off, it was never

1210
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: going to be announced on Friday. So I asked Nicholer,

1211
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: is it going to be announced on Friday? She said no,

1212
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't, so we got that confirmation. We also found out,

1213
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 2: of course it hadn't been signed off by cabinet because

1214
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 2: they hadn't got to Monday, which they did yesterday, signed

1215
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 2: it off and the announcement was then made. So hopefully

1216
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 2: that clears that up. Nine minutes away from eight the.

1217
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 3: My costing breakfast with news Dogs.

1218
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: Fe Mike que rail Board, like all sees or large corporations,

1219
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: do have ultimate accountability, but there are on the executive

1220
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: for the information of the being fed crap. They'll make

1221
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: crap decisions when things go wrong. It's a good idea

1222
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: to also look at changing executive management the defense. I mean,

1223
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: you're right, obviously the defense to that is the border

1224
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: point the CEO. So if you're not confident in the CEO,

1225
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: do something about it. And so they've got no excuse

1226
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, big board nine people.

1227
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, we make things too complicated in

1228
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: this country. You got to under why some people sit

1229
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: on boards. Seinfeld. Last night I didn't go, obviously unfortunately,

1230
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: more's the pity, such as the burden of my existence.

1231
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: But some members of the family did, and I said,

1232
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: drop me a little note when you get home. Wasn't late,

1233
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: it was just before ten o'clock, and I said, dropped

1234
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: me a little note. So he was on for an hour,

1235
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: which that's the problem with comedians. They don't do long sets.

1236
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: It's not like the Rolling Stones and two and a

1237
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: half hours and a few on course, he was on

1238
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: for an hour, absolutely sensational, ten out of ten. The

1239
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: crowd loved them, Autumn lapped him up, and they wanted more.

1240
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: When he rolled out after one hour, they just wouldn't

1241
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: let him go. And he seemed it is reported to

1242
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 2: me my family members that he seemed to genuinely enjoy

1243
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: the audience. He seemed like it was more than just

1244
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: a show. He seemed to get that. They got it,

1245
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: and that was like it was a good vibe in

1246
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: the night. So that was fantastic. So he came on

1247
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: and did some more work. So I'm very very pleased

1248
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: about that. More importantly, for this country's reputation, there were

1249
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: no protesters, thank the good Lord. There are a couple

1250
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: of losers hanging around outside, no one inside, so you're

1251
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: not seeing the Sydney pictures or the Melbourne pictures. That's good.

1252
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: He'd be relieved for some of that because of course

1253
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're aware of this, but the

1254
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: war's not his fault. I just small point. It might

1255
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: have escaped you. So anyway, fantastic night, couldn't they They

1256
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: thought it was just the greatest thing going. So that

1257
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: was money well spent. And of course I don't know

1258
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: that there are tickets left. I'm assuming he sold out

1259
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: in ages Ago, but he's got one more show in

1260
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: christ Church which is tomorrow night. But Jerry Seinfeld went

1261
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: down an absolute treat last night, and they come that

1262
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: comes to you from the best concert reviewers. I know,

1263
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson, our big day yesterday. The Robertson era has begun.

1264
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: We got England a couple of times over before we

1265
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: pop over to San Diego. I think it doesn't play

1266
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: the Fijians and we got Argentina, South Africa, Australia. So

1267
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: the era has begun. What's the thinking behind it? Scott

1268
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: Robinson is next.

1269
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

1270
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: The Mike Hosking.

1271
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real estate differently since

1272
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, news tog said, b ah, what you're.

1273
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: Gonna do when a duel gen Normous Steel? Senny Bill? Oh,

1274
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: where's hey genorrmous Steel? Senny Bill?

1275
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 20: Oh, where's hey?

1276
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: General Stilson past eight? Well, the Scott Robinson All Black's

1277
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: era has officially begun. To announce the first squad yesterday,

1278
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: evening names Captain Scott Barrett. Of course, now the questions

1279
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: turned to the starting twenty three The English loom in

1280
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and Scott Robertson is with us.

1281
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. How'd that feel yesterday?

1282
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 18: It was good? It was good to get on what that.

1283
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 18: You know, it's been a while and we've been checking

1284
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 18: the players for a long time. We had more steps

1285
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 18: and felt like so we were just finalizing the squad

1286
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 18: and actually putting it out there and addressing the nation

1287
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 18: was good, so we can get it Handsteedy.

1288
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: Now good from the time you got appointed to this

1289
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 2: particular point in time for the non rugby officionado, what

1290
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 2: is it you do literally every day?

1291
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 18: And what have you done normally? To start with a

1292
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 18: surf but we there's a lot of zones. It's there's

1293
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 18: a lot of work. You do a lot of work.

1294
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 18: And beside do you watch European rugby? You watch your

1295
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 18: local rugby obviously super you check your players. But because

1296
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 18: it back in the last year, remember you and I

1297
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 18: high eighteen year staff or a new sorry management group

1298
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 18: and this year has been focusing on getting a selection

1299
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 18: right and how we're going to play. And then because

1300
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 18: it's a new new start, new language, new terminology and

1301
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 18: new mindset for everything. So there's been a lot of planning.

1302
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 18: But you still you just want to get on the

1303
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 18: rugby field.

1304
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: How different do you think it's going to be this

1305
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: year under you?

1306
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 18: How different? Now?

1307
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 19: Oh?

1308
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 18: I haven't thought about that one. Like I think people

1309
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 18: know who I am. I think don't get me. I

1310
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 18: beat myself along the way. I just think big part

1311
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 18: of what I was in our scene this year, for

1312
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 18: four of the publics together we walk, I think they've

1313
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 18: been a little bit more insights, a lot more connection

1314
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 18: to who we are, how we do things. And you know,

1315
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 18: a big part of what I have to do is

1316
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 18: bring the past, the legacy with us. So that's what

1317
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 18: you'll see off the field, but on the field somewhat too.

1318
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 18: Nick can adapt played different ways, played the team in

1319
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 18: front of us to win that game. You know, good

1320
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 18: q DNA be connected and find ways to win.

1321
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Very good answer. A couple of things in that one,

1322
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: because I I worry about and I've seen it over

1323
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: the years. You will have to the pressure gets to

1324
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: coaches and their personality changes. They get crushed. Are you

1325
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: confident that you're not one of those people.

1326
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 18: I've got doctor Kerry Evans with a clinical psychologist and

1327
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 18: forensic psychologist. I know he's the music good man to

1328
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 18: have in your team. Oh look, look, look, I'm going

1329
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 18: to be myself. I'm like, you know, you know, woldn't

1330
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 18: lose your tow. I'll be honest, I'll be really clear

1331
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 18: and open. I think gets one one of the things

1332
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 18: that you know when you do your view with players,

1333
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 18: they know that what they're going to get, and I'm

1334
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 18: sure that or the nation will be the same with it. Look,

1335
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 18: I love the roles and responsibility of the job, like

1336
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 18: selection and stuff. So I'm looking forward, like I said,

1337
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 18: to bring you one together and man, I'm sure you'll

1338
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 18: keep me accountable.

1339
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I will.

1340
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 15: Uh.

1341
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: The the other part of your answer was good that

1342
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: the adapt thing, because I'm just a casual you know,

1343
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm just a passionate follower of the sport. But one

1344
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: thing I've noticed over the years with the All Blacks,

1345
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: when things go wrong, they don't appear to have a plan. B.

1346
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: So was that comment deliberately at that? You see the

1347
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: same thing we do that somehow on a field you

1348
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: need to move and adapt when things unfold in front

1349
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: of you.

1350
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 18: Yep. Yeah. Look what one thing when you lived in

1351
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 18: and Cross, which is you know that when your neighbor's Antarctica,

1352
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 18: the weather's going to changely and you're going to have

1353
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 18: to adapt to it if it comes in the warm up,

1354
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 18: So you have to have a couple of soles to play,

1355
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 18: you know when to set there. The contems around. We

1356
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 18: did a lot of worker ound how to beat those

1357
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 18: big men. You know, even when were Japan, we had

1358
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 18: lots of word key structures that we could adapt and

1359
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 18: change and a lot of the messages that I'd send

1360
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 18: down they're already doing it. So you know, he've done

1361
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 18: your job as a coach. So the strategy is a

1362
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 18: very important and look, it's not major stuff. It's just

1363
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 18: clarity of what's in front of you and what and

1364
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 18: how can you do it quickly? So everyone all even

1365
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,040
Speaker 18: the front row, right onto it.

1366
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: The governance, the governance of the game and all the

1367
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: stuff that's been going on since your appointment off the field,

1368
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: has that affected provincial review, the debate, the vote, all

1369
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: that stuff. Has it affected you in any way in

1370
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: terms of what you're doing with your job or not?

1371
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 18: Arms lenks, mate, That's how I've done it. Like it's

1372
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 18: actually that issue is not my problem, so I don't

1373
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 18: actually have to solve But Robbie has been really good

1374
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 18: at when it starts high performance realm that here it

1375
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 18: becomes an issue. You know, I need to understand what's happening,

1376
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 18: like I do. I have an understanding, but I have

1377
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 18: anything to do with that hands on. Look, I'm a

1378
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 18: when my role and he's a rugby and all the

1379
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 18: perception of her orders. But that's a Mark's job and

1380
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 18: he's been really good along with Dane dealing with it.

1381
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 18: So at the moment, arms good stuff.

1382
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: Hold on, mate, more questions in the moment. Scott Robertson

1383
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: All Blacks Coach thirteen past.

1384
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 3: Eight, the mic asking Breakfast new.

1385
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Subserv quarter past states we've got Robertson, Norm's coach is

1386
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: with us. As regards Scott, the game itself, the rules,

1387
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 2: the debate around at the pace, the slows down, stop starts.

1388
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: What's your view of it?

1389
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 18: We could have made the game quicker. It's an entertainment sport.

1390
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 18: People want every sport around there globally is doing the

1391
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 18: same thing, same training them and make it quicker. They

1392
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 18: want to use reviews, how they use the TV and

1393
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 18: the cycle. It's getting better along the couple of the

1394
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 18: law committee stuff that we talk about. So the first

1395
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 18: thing is for safety but also speeded the game and

1396
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 18: we can do it in the safety in conjunction. Well,

1397
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 18: we're training in the right way, but we're moving you're

1398
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 18: moving the right way.

1399
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Pace and fitness do you need to look at

1400
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: that As far as the all blacks are concerned. Are

1401
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: we a fitter fast aside?

1402
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 18: Wow, coming out of super rugby at good question. Look,

1403
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 18: the one thing is, you know we chase the winter

1404
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 18: and test footy and you get your guys coming off

1405
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 18: the back of you know, super obviousy. You don't get

1406
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 18: a period of time around the fitness side of it.

1407
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 18: But Nickoli's bringing over twenty years. He look at that's

1408
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 18: a big load and the test weeks is one of

1409
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 18: the things I looked at. I just couldn't fare them

1410
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 18: how much load and work they do then inside of it.

1411
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 18: But yeah, it's a contact it's a physical game that

1412
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 18: the higher the level and rugby you get, the more physicality.

1413
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 18: It's like any other sports like start of Project Origin.

1414
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 18: You know the brutality. There's guys are big square headers.

1415
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 18: You look a lot more at body weight, especially in

1416
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 18: those kits, and you look at people who can use

1417
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 18: the top of their shoulder and repeat if it's back

1418
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 18: to back to back. So huge physicality.

1419
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: What about the rust factor and this traditional thing we're

1420
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: by You've you've got now, you've got your side and

1421
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: you get all that then you put them together. You've

1422
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: only got a couple of weeks to mold them into

1423
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: something that's a unit. How hard a task is that.

1424
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 18: It depends how you frame it, Mike, Like, you know

1425
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 18: we've got from Wednesday when we all get together. You

1426
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 18: know we've got that ten period. Is you got to

1427
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,959
Speaker 18: get the first day right. That's the number one job.

1428
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 18: Get that right and you'll get the next day right.

1429
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 18: And how And because we're in the new facili and

1430
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 18: jured cis with which is we're we're the last place

1431
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 18: in the world, really last country in the world not

1432
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 18: to have a high performance for the facility where all

1433
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 18: our teams in black go to. So for that to

1434
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 18: be there huge. You're not in Auckland traffic. You know,

1435
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 18: you one transitions. You know, you can have more meetings,

1436
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 18: more time on the field, and that's got a green

1437
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 18: room for the for the weddings and rain anyone. So look,

1438
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 18: may make a big difference for us to get the

1439
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 18: rugby part, the cultural, the connection piece in the leadership right.

1440
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: Good. Speaking of leadership, what's it like most people put

1441
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: an add on trade meal seek and people apply for

1442
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: the job. You get to pick your own people, not players,

1443
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: but the McDonald and co. Alongside you. What's it like

1444
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: to have the people you picked their your men.

1445
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 18: Well, it's great. It's good to have you know, runs

1446
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 18: on the board. It's good to have the connection, the

1447
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 18: personal connection, also the professional side of it. So they're

1448
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 18: obviously at the high end of the physical profession, but

1449
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 18: also something that you can trust, someone that can have

1450
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 18: that conversation that's required and get good direct feedback you know,

1451
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 18: longer like your wife and and then then then you

1452
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 18: can fast track. You're not hiding stuff you know you

1453
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 18: can get you can move on. So people know how

1454
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 18: I work. They support someone like a jas Rohan. We

1455
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 18: work together, bufy together because we've we've been through a lot,

1456
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 18: We've got a lot of history. We know how we

1457
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 18: work and we can complement each other.

1458
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: Explain the crusaders this year to us.

1459
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 18: Were again this wasn't on the list. I don't think

1460
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 18: there was a list, but.

1461
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: Now there was just just for the record, there wasn't

1462
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: a list.

1463
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 18: Okay, oh look, you know it's difficult to watch and

1464
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 18: lots of ways you know I felt and you wide

1465
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 18: it with them, but also you look at a different eye.

1466
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 18: You're always going to be a part of it, you know,

1467
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 18: because your history in your in your life and time

1468
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 18: with the butt. You look at it a different eye. Look,

1469
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 18: I feel for them. You know there was it gave

1470
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 18: so much games of fine margins and you know they

1471
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 18: weren't beat on on effort. When you start getting beat

1472
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 18: on effort and the care goes, that was still there.

1473
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 18: So you know that there's only little margins and top sport,

1474
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 18: and that didn't quite enough of those. Right.

1475
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: Do you follow the Warriors at all?

1476
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 18: Yes? I do?

1477
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: Did you see the Weekends game?

1478
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 18: Yes? I did? Sixers and I want Yeah.

1479
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 2: So Andrew Webster I love. He's like you. He's he's passionate.

1480
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: He he's got a certain something about him with players.

1481
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 2: He seemed to have a side. Right, then it falls

1482
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: apart in that way. What do you do?

1483
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 18: The first thing you've got to You've got to do

1484
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 18: is you normally have a little game model that he'll

1485
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 18: look at, so you don't start making pulling things in

1486
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 18: that part of what you've discussed before. Have you got

1487
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 18: it right? Was the number one thing he'll if someone's

1488
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 18: going to put sixty six on you, your mindset wasn't

1489
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 18: right for the day. So it doesn't matter all your

1490
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 18: structures and skill set where I'm to be The mindset

1491
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 18: is your shoulder wasn't ready to put it through the

1492
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 18: persson in front of you, So why did he get

1493
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 18: that wrong? And obviously what he did with the panthers

1494
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 18: a couple of weeks earlier in the role they've been on.

1495
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 18: What is it the week they got wrong? The leadership

1496
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 18: they go wrong and so he'll look at himself, you know, No,

1497
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Speaker 18: we've be done a bit of work with him and

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Speaker 18: he'll look at himself. What did he not get right?

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Speaker 18: Because he I mean Levine to be honest with the

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Speaker 18: group and sit down, have we good a hui and

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Speaker 18: so rodio but own it and what happens next?

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. I'm super excited for you, mate, and I

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: hope it goes brilliantly well the whole season, but starting

1504
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 2: with England's Good Fund. So it's good to catch up

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01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: and go well. Best of luck to you. Che's lovely

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Speaker 2: to talk Take care. R Scott Robinson, All Blacks Coach.

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Speaker 1: Eight twenty one, the mic Hosking Breakfast with al Vida

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Speaker 1: News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be it's about this time of year that the old

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: outside maintenance of the home becomes much more difficult with

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Speaker 2: the winter weather conditions. So if you're a resident though

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Speaker 2: of one of our Vida's thirty five living well communities.

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01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: The chattels that come with your new home, are they

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: going to be repaired or replaced by r Vida if

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: there's any unlikely issues. That's the Rvida difference, So no

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: need to worry about getting your own contractors in for

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: any fixes when there's an experienced Rvida maintenance team just

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01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: available ready on hand to you know, sort you out.

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01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: No worries when you live in an r Vida community. Also,

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: by the way their experienced team handle all the maintenance

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Speaker 2: in the communal area is right across the community as well,

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: so I know you'd rather be doing anything but maintenance,

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: so why not leave it to the r Vida team

1524
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: So you can enjoy your retirement to the fullest in

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: an r VIDA community instead hassle. Free range of quality

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Speaker 2: living options available. So to find out more about it,

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Speaker 2: find out about r Vida generally or specifically book a

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Speaker 2: tour r Veda dot Co dot nz A, r v

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Speaker 2: id A, r Veda dot Co dot ZISKA twenty five

1530
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: great interview with Scott like his TV persona comes through

1531
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 2: as a visionary and I feel like he's going to

1532
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: have the country behind him.

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Speaker 3: Normal.

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right there, Mike Robinson,

1535
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: great listen, thank you, Peter. What what smart down to

1536
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: earth guy is? Good luck, He's brilliant. I love. I'm

1537
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: an unabashed Scott Robinson fan.

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01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 5: Mike.

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the interview and pleased to hear it. Geez

1540
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: the old Ford and Me. Mike loved that chat. Put

1541
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: the top of the shoulder through the guy. Yes, no

1542
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: corporate speak there, Glenn Weld said, Mike Rugby bores the

1543
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: shit out of me, but what an awesome interview. Good

1544
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: luck to him, neckbruth. Very nice of you to say,

1545
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: you see you win a my one at a time,

1546
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: don't you. Nigel Farage let me come to Nigel Faraje

1547
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: in a moment before I forget Cooper, Ellen, I told

1548
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: you about Seinfeld being as sensational hit from the family

1549
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: reviewers last night. Had had I don't know how to

1550
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: put this. I had well, Katie went, daughter went, daughter's

1551
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: boyfriend went, son went. So that's a good and seventeen

1552
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: seventeen twenty five Katie's I think, what's she now? Thirty two,

1553
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: thirty three? Whatever? She is so a good chronological cross

1554
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: section of people who thought it was the greatest show going.

1555
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: Cooper Allen, who we've had on the program. In fact,

1556
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 2: I'd like to lay claim to discovering him actually on

1557
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: TikTok Oh. Yes, Sam, it was you, but you're assays

1558
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 2: the other show. So Sam discovers Cooper Allen on TikTok

1559
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: we go to him, he comes on the show. Then

1560
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: when he comes to the country, we get him and

1561
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: he plays a song. You like him. Now he's announced

1562
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: the tour. That's how these things work anyways, coming to

1563
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: the country in October and November. And so if you're

1564
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: into if you're into Cooperrellen, then we've got very good

1565
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: news for you. So he'll be playing in Auckland only

1566
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: unfortunately early days. He's a he's an up and coming talent.

1567
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: As they say, power station in Auckland November the fifth.

1568
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: Make it a Christmas present for somebody. For goodness sake,

1569
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: Cooper Alum has heard on the Mic Hosking Breakfast. Now

1570
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have time for Nigel Farage, which is okay

1571
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: because Rod does and he's next.

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: You're trusted Home the news Board Entertainments, Anion and Mike

1573
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: A Mi Hosking Breakfast with Avida Live The Age You

1574
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: Feel News Talks Eddie.

1575
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: Mike I said on boards both commercial and not for profit,

1576
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: board should always be stacked with genuine expertise and deep

1577
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,799
Speaker 2: current relevant knowledge. So someone tell me what the obvious

1578
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: labor reward appointments were doing on the board as critical

1579
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 2: as Kiwi rails, Marion Street question mark that's the one

1580
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: I came up with, and an ex chancellor of a university.

1581
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: These type of grace and favor appointments only hinder progress.

1582
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: They're also higher risks for a non labor government, a

1583
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: block in the spokes of good governance and progress. If

1584
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: you want to look at a good board, have a

1585
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: look at the Reserve Bank board and you might come

1586
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: to the same conclusion. Twenty three minutes away from.

1587
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 13: No international correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace of

1588
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 13: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 11: Right, little money mate, Good rolling to you, Mike.

1590
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: You took last Thursday off because you have you're busy

1591
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 2: campaigning and we'll come to that in just a couple

1592
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: of moments. So give us the update. Polls. What are

1593
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: we reading? How bad is it for the Tories and

1594
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 2: is it getting worse.

1595
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 11: It's catastrophic for the Tories, it's not necessarily getting worse catastrophic.

1596
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 11: So over the weekend and indeed, for a couple of

1597
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 11: days before the weekend, it really looked as if there

1598
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 11: was a Reform Party searge and there has been, I mean,

1599
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 11: no question about it. But my guess is it may

1600
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 11: have reached its peak with Reform ahead of the Tories,

1601
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 11: which is calamitous for the Tories, but nowhere near enough

1602
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 11: ahead in order to worry labor, but enough to ensure

1603
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 11: that the Conservatives are down to you know, fifty sixty

1604
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 11: seven his seats at the most, And you do wonder

1605
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 11: is there a natural kind of ceiling for people who

1606
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 11: will be prepared to vote reform. Obviously, if you looked

1607
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,959
Speaker 11: at the continent in Europe, there isn't, because the parties

1608
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,679
Speaker 11: who are similar to reform or winning hand over fist

1609
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 11: and some of that has come over here, but not

1610
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 11: enough I think to suggest that there's a huge sea

1611
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 11: change in British politics in which the Conservative Party has

1612
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 11: been replaced overnight by the Reform Party.

1613
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: As regards barajan As comments over the weekend about Ukraine

1614
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: and poking the bear and all the umbradge that's been

1615
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: tossed upon him. Does that play well with his lot end?

1616
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 2: Or was he misinterpreted to the extent that what I

1617
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: think he was trying to say was that Putin has

1618
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 2: long been reported as saying the expansion of NIGHTO worries

1619
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: me and have an expense too far, I'll do something

1620
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 2: about it. So he stayed in the obvious, isn't he.

1621
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,480
Speaker 11: Up to a point? I think there is a difference

1622
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 11: between what between how what Faraj said is received by

1623
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 11: members of his own party who have a vague putini

1624
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 11: Ish sympathy, and how it plays in the red Wall

1625
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 11: in the electorate in general, where there is no such thing.

1626
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 11: And also you cover a little bit with what he

1627
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 11: said about NATO's continual eastern expansion. Well, you know NATO

1628
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 11: has indeed, you know, embraced the Baltic countries and Poland

1629
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 11: and so on, but that was because they wished to

1630
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 11: join NATO to protect themselves from the from Russia. So

1631
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 11: I think I think he got the tone wrong, which

1632
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 11: is not unusual for Nigel Farage. But I think he

1633
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 11: got the tone wrong, and he's been eviscerated for it,

1634
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 11: and I think he would rather the whole issue haven't.

1635
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: Been raised, right betting scandal. Is there so much going

1636
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: on that that's not the thing It might be on

1637
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: another day, or is it bigger than being her?

1638
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 11: I just think it is so absolutely emblematic of what

1639
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 11: everyone in the country thinks of the Conservative Party that

1640
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 11: the fine detail doesn't really matter. You know, we have

1641
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 11: severe Conservative people betting, insider dealing basically on the date

1642
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 11: of the election, and it plays into every trope Sekir

1643
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 11: Starmer could wish to raise, to say, this is why

1644
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 11: they shouldn't be the government, you know, a privilege of

1645
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 11: moneyed and of greed, and it couldn't be worse for

1646
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 11: Richards Sunac You So, I assume Sunac is sitting there thinking,

1647
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 11: my god, what's going to happen next week? Tell it

1648
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 11: wouldn't surprise me if something did. It's an administration which

1649
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 11: has gone before the end of its time.

1650
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: You going, how's your r Are you? Are you winning

1651
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 2: the vote? You're winning the Hustings, You're you're heading to parliament?

1652
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: Are things turning for your rod?

1653
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 11: I can feel the will of the people behind me,

1654
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 11: I thought, being said, I did. I did kind of

1655
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 11: win the Hustings the last testings I was in, which

1656
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 11: is you know, from a standing star. The party nobody

1657
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 11: has really heard of, did really well. But I'm tied

1658
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 11: a little bit, you know, to a party which is

1659
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 11: what I'm tired a lot, to a party which has

1660
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 11: no no possible public persona. So we're not going to

1661
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 11: do very well. But it's all good fun, Mike. I

1662
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 11: would advise you to do it. I think next election, mate,

1663
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 11: you should be out there and I will come and

1664
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 11: campaign for you.

1665
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: Fantastic well you campaigning for me is reason enough by

1666
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 2: the idea of time to watch the eurysa. You're too busy.

1667
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 11: Oh, I've been watching it. I've been watching it, and

1668
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 11: you know, if we should see that expected a kind

1669
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 11: of boosting support by a good fear factor. He's losing

1670
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 11: out there. England have been abysmal, none more so than

1671
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 11: in the drawer with Denmark, and then of course Scotland

1672
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 11: went out last night a course of much hilarity. South

1673
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 11: of the border, it's not looking at all, and Fans

1674
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 11: and Spain are looking very strong indeed, so I don't

1675
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 11: think the Euros are going to come to Rich's help.

1676
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: All right, mate, listen, go well and we'll catch up

1677
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: next Tuesday, appreciate it very much. And then at the

1678
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: end of that next week, as in next week it's

1679
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: election time nine days away in Britain. Rod Little seventeen

1680
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: to nine the hosts, just before we leave Britain, how

1681
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: Britain's Labor Party became electable again. Piece in the Herald

1682
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: via the New York Times yesterday, written by a guy

1683
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 2: called Mike Landler, and I was a remind you of

1684
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Robertson. If you didn't get that Sydney Morning Herald,

1685
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 2: it's behind a wall. You might have to pay for it.

1686
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what actual Robertson's a really interesting guy.

1687
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 2: If you don't know who he is, read about him,

1688
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 2: because he's fascinating all by himself. Anyway. He's the guy

1689
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: who hired Starmer. He's Australian Robinson, but he's the guy

1690
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: who hired Starmer originally as a young lawyer. And he

1691
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 2: explains very clearly who he is, what he's about, what

1692
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: sort of prime minister he's going to be. So that's

1693
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: worth reading. But this piece out of the New York

1694
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: Times sort of as far as I can work out

1695
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: to a degree, missus, the point in less than five years,

1696
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: the opposition Labour Party has gone from massive defeat to

1697
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: the favorite to win next year's election. Starmer is employing

1698
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 2: the ming var strategy. The mingvar strategy is where the

1699
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: politician gingerly avoids slips to protect a leading the polls

1700
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 2: credited de Roy Jenkins, British politician likened to a previous

1701
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 2: Labour candidate Tony Bleer on the of his ninety seven

1702
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 2: landslide to a man carrying a priceless ming vas across

1703
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: a highly polish floor. So you careful, careful, careful, careful, careful, careful,

1704
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 2: get yourself to election day. He has nursed his party's

1705
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: double digit polling lead for more than eighteen months, methodically

1706
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 2: repositioning labor as a credible center left alternative to the

1707
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: divided erratics sometimes extremist conservatives. What misses the point there

1708
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: is he could be anyone. You could have Mickey Mouse

1709
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: the Labour Party at the moment, and they would still

1710
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,520
Speaker 2: be winning. It's got nothing to do with the repositioning

1711
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 2: of the Labour Party. I'm not entirely convinced that the Labour

1712
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 2: Party is repositioned. I'm not entirely convinced that the Labour Party,

1713
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: what they say and what they do the same thing

1714
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: or anywhere close to it. What I know is the

1715
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: Conservative is a useless, hapless, hopeless have been in power

1716
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 2: for fourteen years, and time does in all governments, and

1717
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 2: that is why the Labor Party is going to win

1718
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: the next election. Mike, the judge is signaled, we haven't

1719
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: mentioned this this morning, that Goldris won't be getting anything

1720
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,799
Speaker 2: like imprisonment and the defense want discharged with no conviction.

1721
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: Why is she termed a first time offender when she

1722
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 2: stole from at least a few different stores on different occasions.

1723
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: Obviously it gets lump together. Of course it does the

1724
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: whole thing if you've never offended before. The offender is

1725
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: a reference to have you been to court and being

1726
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: convicted of something previously. The answers know this all collectively

1727
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: got put together in a series of charges. What I

1728
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: found disappointing yesterday was that we were all standing by

1729
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 2: for the sentencing until it got delayed, and you just

1730
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: what a classic example of why the justice move so slowly.

1731
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: What I also would hope from the comments that I

1732
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: read is that on one side, the defense, they're busy

1733
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: telling everybody she's got PTSD and there were threats online

1734
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: and it painted a very doer picture. And then the

1735
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: Crown gets up and goes, well, hold on the reference

1736
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: to PTSD, it's possible, The report says, it's possible, requiring

1737
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 2: the judge, of course, to have read all the notes

1738
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: and therefore be cognizant of what the two sides are

1739
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 2: saying and how maybe somewhere in the middle lies the reality.

1740
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 2: So no prison. I wouldn't have expected prison. You've got

1741
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 2: a guilty plea, you've got a first time offender, you

1742
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 2: do have the specter of a legal career. The Crown

1743
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: argued that the Law Association could handle that no problem

1744
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 2: at all. You know, just because you convicted. It's a

1745
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: person of good character and they are able to take

1746
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 2: into account that sort of subtlety and therefore leave it

1747
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: to them, not at court. But it's going to be

1748
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 2: really really interesting as to where she comes to. To

1749
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 2: get no conviction, you would have to say, is I

1750
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 2: would think disappointing, but probably in the current climate not unusual.

1751
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: But then you've got a counterbalance that with who she is,

1752
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 2: the responsibility it carries, and for all that the defense

1753
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 2: is running PDSD social online trolling. It's not unique to her. Sadly,

1754
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: and as sadly as it is to say women of

1755
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: profile in this country get abysmally treated on social media.

1756
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: It's not acceptable, it's reprehensible. We all agree with that,

1757
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: but we all don't go out and commit crimes, and

1758
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 2: so a certain level of responsibility needs to be taken

1759
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: into account there. So we go back on Thursday, Turn

1760
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: Away from nine, call the.

1761
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 3: Mic Costing breakfast with the Jaguar News const.

1762
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: Be Mike can't believe Brazer will bring back the enthusiasm

1763
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks that was lacking since our twenty

1764
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 2: fifteen World Cup win. Best of luck to Worldsport needs

1765
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 2: a break dancing national coach. That's probably true, Mike. You

1766
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 2: know what was so refreshing about the interview with Scott

1767
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: Robinson was the fact that the top New Zealand coach

1768
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 2: was talking about rugby league once upon a time that

1769
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: rugby league was blacklisted when it came to rugby administration.

1770
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 18: Is that true?

1771
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean, a good coach is a good coach, isn't he?

1772
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: And good to know he's been working with Webby. But

1773
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 2: as fast as don't you find it fascinating that somebody

1774
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 2: as good as Webster can find himself in that predicament

1775
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: and what is it that went wrong? And what do

1776
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: you do about what a conundrum? Ay didn't mention. I'm

1777
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: very much looking forward to chatting with Steve Price about

1778
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: this tomorrow. And this is a very good lesson in

1779
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 2: theory versus reality. The Australian government who trumpeted their ideas

1780
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 2: around vaping, and we all sat here in New Zealand,

1781
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: especially when Asia Eryl in the previous government came out

1782
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 2: with her answer to vaping which was pathetic and ours was.

1783
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 2: The new government was slightly better but different and they

1784
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 2: had to go at Casey Costello. Remember that early on

1785
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: in the term they thought Casey Costello was a weak

1786
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: link because she was a new MP for New Zealand.

1787
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 2: First she was tied up with the tobacco industry Yardiard.

1788
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 2: It turned out not to be the case, but nevertheless,

1789
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: we've never been quite as hard on it as the

1790
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,839
Speaker 2: Australians have been. About prescriptions, about going to the doctor,

1791
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: about going to the pharmacy and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,

1792
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: none of was going to come to pass because they

1793
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: couldn't get it through the Senate. The Health Minister, guy

1794
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 2: called Butler had to do a deal with the Greens

1795
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 2: to water down the vape ban to pass through the Senate.

1796
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,839
Speaker 2: The original prosal didn't have the sport wasn't going anywhere,

1797
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 2: so you can it's saying things is one thing, delivering

1798
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 2: is something completely different. So now it turns out they're

1799
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,879
Speaker 2: not much different than we are. Five away from nine.

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01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: Trending now hum as well your home of Winter assential.

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01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: I'm so pleased this has happened because every now and

1802
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 2: again social media actually throws up something relatively entertaining. So

1803
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 2: the fairy, we all know the story about the faery

1804
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 2: the transmission tower. Anyway, somebody on social media's dug up

1805
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 2: and off she goes virally. John Clark, who was one

1806
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: of our favorite people who went off to Australia in

1807
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 2: the seventies, passed away in twenty seventeen. He was out

1808
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: there walking just with his family, walking, fit as a

1809
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,759
Speaker 2: fiddle apparently, and that was the end of him. Anyway,

1810
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 2: he used to do these skits and they were brilliantly,

1811
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: brilliantly funny, where he would pay a Minister of the

1812
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: day and just do it in his own voice. He

1813
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 2: wasn't an impersonator at all. He'd just talk in his

1814
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: own voice, but in a way that only John Clark could.

1815
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 18: So.

1816
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: This particular skit is of an oil tanker that broke

1817
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: apart and leaked oil into the ocean. And of course

1818
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 2: what they're looking at now is this This could have

1819
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: been the other day in the fery.

1820
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 20: Well, thanks for coming in, it's a great pleasure.

1821
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 23: Thank you.

1822
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,599
Speaker 20: This ship that was involved in the incidentt off westn

1823
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 20: Australia this week.

1824
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 23: Yeah, the one the front fell off. Yeah, yeah, that's

1825
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 23: not very typical. I'd like to make that point.

1826
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 20: Well, how is it done typical?

1827
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 23: Well, there are a lot of these ships going around

1828
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 23: the world all the time and very seldom does anything

1829
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 23: like this happen. I just don't want people thinking that

1830
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 23: tankers aren't safe.

1831
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 20: Was this tanker safe?

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 23: Well, I was thinking more about the other ones, the

1833
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 23: ones that are safe. Yeah, the ones the front doesn't

1834
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 23: fall off.

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01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 20: Well, if this wasn't safe, why did it have eighty

1836
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 20: thousand tons of oil on it?

1837
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 23: But I'm not saying it wasn't safe. It's just perhaps

1838
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 23: not quite as safe as some of the other ones. Why, well,

1839
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 23: some of them are built so over the front doesn't

1840
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 23: fall off at all.

1841
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 20: Wasn't this built so the front wouldn't fall off?

1842
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 23: Obviously not?

1843
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 20: How do you know because the front fell off? What's

1844
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 20: what standard? Did these oil tankers built to.

1845
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 23: A very rigorous maritime engineering standards?

1846
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 20: What sort of thing?

1847
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 23: Well, the front's not supposed to fall off, for a start,

1848
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 23: and what other things? Well, there are regulations governing the

1849
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 23: materials that they can be made of. What materials or

1850
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 23: cardboards out? They've got to have a steering wheel. There's

1851
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 23: a minimum crew requirement.

1852
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 20: What's the minimum crew? Oh one, I spase, it's why

1853
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 20: did the front book fall off?

1854
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 18: Well?

1855
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 20: A wave hit it.

1856
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 3: A wave hit it, A.

1857
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 23: Wave hit the ship.

1858
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:24,879
Speaker 20: Is that unusual?

1859
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, let's sea chance at a million?

1860
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: See correct me if I'm wrong. If you hadn't heard

1861
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: that before, tell me that that's not as funny today

1862
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 2: as it ever was twenty years ago. Brian Dawes the

1863
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 2: other guy, and they had quite a thing. He was

1864
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: on the he was on the ABC and it was

1865
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: either linked to Four Corners or a nightly current affairs show.

1866
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 2: But tell me that's not as funny and as clever

1867
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: today as it was back then. Right, Tuesday, done, middle

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 2: of the week tomorrow six See you then as any days.

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