1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith wants a word Shane Jones, had his bill 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: coming or has his bill coming to falls NAPOOI into 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: a one stop settlement after years of wrangling that has 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: gone nowhere. Upon hearing Shane's argument, I wandered out loud 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: the other day on the program where a Minister Goldsmith 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: was a bit of sleep at the wheel. So right 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: of reply time, really, treaty, Minister Paul Goldsmith is with us. 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning mate. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: So are you deeply offended at me or just moderately mythed? 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Just modertorly moderately mythed. I'm probably fool hardly coming and 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: arguing the point. But all I wanted to say was that, 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: you know, when I think about the settlements, there are 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: two things in mind. One is we've been doing this 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: for thirty years as a country and everybody is losing 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: their patience. They want the whole settlement process finished. But 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: at the same time we want it to work, and 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: so we want it to be enduring and a full 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: and final settlement. And that's why you know, you can't 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: just impose it and rush it next week. But you've 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: got to do the job properly and make it work. 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: So is what Shane is doing or a solution. 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: Well, well, his suggestion is just, you know, just blast 23 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: it out at high speed. And while I'm very sympathetic 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: with that, obviously, to have an enduring settlement, you've got 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: to have people being prepared and wanting to settle. And 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: so the real challenge that we've had over a long 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: period of time is getting the what's called the mandate 28 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: right so that the people who do the settlement have 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 2: got the support of the two hundred three hundred thousand puy. 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: That's been the challenge in the past, and that's what 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: we're working our way through. We do have a plan. 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: I've got a couple of excellent negotiators, we're working. We're 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: making good progress actually on that mandate work that's going underway, 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: and you know, I'd be very I'm going to give 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: it my very best shot. If we can pull it 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: off in the next two or three years, that would 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: be great. But I'm not going to sort of put 38 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: a tight time frame on it because there's been plenty 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: of ministers in the past who have come along and 40 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 2: done that and have had IgG all over their faces. 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: Because you can't force something like that. 42 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: What appeop, Well exactly, But what a to me was 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: the Bolder days momentarily, if you remember them, they talked 44 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: to deadlines. They go, if you don't want to deal, 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: no problem, file your papers, then we'll have a deadline. 46 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: And if we can't get a deal, that's life. And 47 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: aren't we at that stage? I mean when you say 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: two or three years, how many years that's going on for? 49 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: How many millions of dollars more do we need to spend? 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: Well? Yes, well, I mean the whole treaty settlement process 51 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: started in the mid nineties, so it's been thirty years. 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: It's not been thirty years with Napui, but it's been 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: a long process. And so yes, the point is we're 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: all very impatient. We want to get things done, and 55 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: there will come a time when you do have to say, well, 56 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: come on now, it's your chance. Now will never say that, Well, 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: we're not far from that point, but. 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, I mean you just said we're two or 59 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: three years from it. 60 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: Well, well, in the context of thirty years, yes, that's 61 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: that's fast. 62 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Well it should have been years. Yes. 63 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: Well, well, but the point is what we're doing as 64 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: a country is kind of globally unique. And we've made 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: a huge effort as a as a country over a 66 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: very long time, about two thirds to three quarters of 67 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: the way through the process, and people will rightly say, well, boy, 68 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: this is taking a long time. But having done all that, 69 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: let's make sure that when we finally get to the 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: end of the Pooie settlement that it actually sticks and 71 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: it works. And so that's what my real focus is on. 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Okay, go well, Paul Goldsmith, Minister be twe negotiations. So 73 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: question for Friday morning, who's right him? 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