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Speaker 1: To the news of the weekend. What do we make

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Speaker 1: of this so called meth crackdown? Meth consumptions doubled in

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Speaker 1: the past year. The damage is estimated at one and

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Speaker 1: a half billion. So we have joint maritime operations between

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Speaker 1: Customs Defense and GCSB, boosted police enforcement, Tupper border security.

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Speaker 1: Baul Goldsmith's Justice Minister, it is with us. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: morning Mike. In part of the announcement yesterday, did anyone

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Speaker 1: think about some penalties for the people? It's all very well,

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Speaker 1: giving thirty million dollars out, what about the people who

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Speaker 1: peddle this nonsense and go to jail? Did anyone think

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Speaker 1: about penalties and increasing those?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we've been doing that for the last two years.

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Speaker 2: You might recall that when we came and we brought

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Speaker 2: back three strikes legislation for the most serious repeat offenders,

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Speaker 2: and we also changed the sentencing lords to reduce the

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Speaker 2: amount of discounts that judges can offer to people who

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Speaker 2: are sentences. So, look it we've been very focused on that.

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Speaker 2: The hardening of our judicial response or legislative response has

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Speaker 2: already happened. How much this is about, yeah, how much of.

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Speaker 1: This is offshore? In other words, these people who peddle

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Speaker 1: the stuff, make the stuff, ship it out to this

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Speaker 1: country will never see them in our jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I mean there are three basic elements to

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Speaker 2: our response. Which is trying to stop the stuff coming

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Speaker 2: in at the first place, which is working up in

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Speaker 2: the Pacific and beyond, and that our borders to stop

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Speaker 2: it coming. And secondly, it's about the distribution within New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: which is around organized crime and gangs. And thirdly, it's

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Speaker 2: about reducing the demand for it and dealing in the

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Speaker 2: demand because you can you can spend your whole life

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Speaker 2: focus on the first two, but if you don't deal

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Speaker 2: with the demand, you're not going to get very far.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's a comprehensive plan looking at all those

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Speaker 2: different angles.

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Speaker 1: What has happened to this country?

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Speaker 2: Pool?

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Speaker 1: I mean when you say it's double, meth is doubled,

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Speaker 1: What on earth is going on?

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Speaker 2: Well? The main driver is that there's been a flood

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Speaker 2: of supply and the prime and that's.

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Speaker 1: A flood of supply of wine at my liquorine. I'm

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Speaker 1: not buying that.

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Speaker 2: Explain that explains it? Yep. Look, I mean that there's

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Speaker 2: an existential question you've got there, Mike, and I don't

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Speaker 2: have the answers to that, other than the fact that

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Speaker 2: this is a scourge on society that we need to

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Speaker 2: keep on battling against every day, finding new ways to

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Speaker 2: combat the organized criminals who are doing this, but also

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Speaker 2: dealing with the better rehabilitation, and actually, for the first time,

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Speaker 2: sending a clear message through a hard hitting media campaign.

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Speaker 2: This is not a good idea to get involved with

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Speaker 2: in anyway.

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Speaker 1: In all honesty, is a hard hitting media campaign to

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Speaker 1: your average you know, dare I suggest unemployed go no

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Speaker 1: where meth addict? Is that going to make one jot

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Speaker 1: of difference?

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Speaker 2: No, but it may stop some people taking the risk,

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Speaker 2: And no single thing on its own is going to

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Speaker 2: solve the problem. Of course, a campaign's not going to

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Speaker 2: deal with a hard and sort of meth adict, but

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Speaker 2: there may be a young person who's thinking about it

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Speaker 2: who if they get a clear message. This is not

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Speaker 2: something you could use moderately. It's not something just to

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Speaker 2: have a deal of a devil with. It's something to

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Speaker 2: avoid at all costs because some people, just one SHOT's

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Speaker 2: enough to lead to a decade's long spiral of chaos

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Speaker 2: and destruction. And that's what we want to send a

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Speaker 2: clear message about.

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Speaker 1: Back at the start of this the Pacific slack. Are

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Speaker 1: you worried about what the Pacific do or won't do?

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Speaker 2: No, But it's challenging, definitely, very challenging. There's been a

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Speaker 2: huge increase coming from South America through the Pacific, and

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Speaker 2: so part of our responses to get more forward leaning

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Speaker 2: with customs, the defense forces and our security forces all

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Speaker 2: pushing up into the Pacific in order to help them

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Speaker 2: deal with the situation before it comes to New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: What are the KPIs on this? When do I get

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Speaker 1: you back to say you've done something tangible?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is one of those things where

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Speaker 2: we have a hard measure and we can't escape it.

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Speaker 2: That is the waste water responses. You know, it doubled

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Speaker 2: a year or so ago. It's come back a fraction,

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Speaker 2: but nowhere near back to where it needs to be.

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Speaker 2: And our gold courses to bend the curve right back

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Speaker 2: down and start to reduce the amount of myth and

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Speaker 2: our waste water.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wish you well with the Paul Goldsmith, Minister

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Speaker 1: of Justice.

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