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Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, Jenny Anderson along with Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 1: both with us. Good morning you too morning now that

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Speaker 1: Jenny take us through it. How was China?

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Speaker 2: It was great? Yeah, so at first trip probably since

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Speaker 2: I've been MP, that wasn't work. And got to see

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Speaker 2: my brother and meet his new son who's about nine

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Speaker 2: months old, and my kids, who are ten and twelve,

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Speaker 2: got to meet their cousin for the first time in

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Speaker 2: China and great, yeah, really lovely. Where in China Sujo

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Speaker 2: which is about an hour and a half out of

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Speaker 2: genhai Wo, And how.

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Speaker 1: Many million people live in that city that none of

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Speaker 1: us have ever heard?

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Speaker 2: Twenty million? That's incredible. Four to five time sides of

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Speaker 2: New Gillen.

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Speaker 1: My brother. My brother used to live in China, and

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Speaker 1: I can't even remember the name of the city he

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Speaker 1: lived in. But you landed in either Beijing or Shanghai.

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Speaker 1: Then you caught another plane to another place I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of. Then you got on a train to the

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Speaker 1: city he lived in and that was only six million people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was crazy. And my brother's mother

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Speaker 2: in law's moved in to look after the baby, and

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Speaker 2: so she didn't speak any English, but got to teach

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Speaker 2: my kids to make dumplings from scratch, and what happened

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Speaker 2: with no English language but yet being taught was a

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Speaker 2: pretty impressive procedure.

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Speaker 1: If you've got if you've got children who can make dumplings,

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Speaker 1: you're pretty much set for life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that outcompany.

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Speaker 1: Good make Mark. I don't have any interesting travel questions

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Speaker 1: to ask you, so mate, maybe we'll stick with was

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Speaker 1: it good to have her back in the house yesterday?

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Speaker 1: When she drilled you with a few of those are

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Speaker 1: you holding up your end of the bargain questions?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: He's gone, don't tell me he's gone to he's in

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Speaker 1: why Row? Well he's in why Row again?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's no good. There we go.

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Speaker 1: You're with us, Mark.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what happily I could understand losing you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I was on my way to a potokey, but not

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Speaker 3: certain you're willing to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe going all I thought you in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the coast again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, So sorry, mister very

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Speaker 3: quickly for me asked me to head up to Dawn

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Speaker 3: Territory to see my daughter and a new grand daughter.

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Speaker 3: But of course we had the weather system come through

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Speaker 3: and did. It's hard on the on the East Coast

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Speaker 3: war in particular. So I stayed back that the nice

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Speaker 3: thing is we will go and see them on the

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Speaker 3: next recess.

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Speaker 1: Good Darlene Taner, we haven't asked you. I don't think

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Speaker 1: about it, Jennyson, you've been away. So she was in

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Speaker 1: the back corner of Parliament yesterday. She's back doing the mark.

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Speaker 1: I understand. She set up a little desk in the

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Speaker 1: library looking good. What would your advice to her be?

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Speaker 2: I think she needs to go. You know, she came

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Speaker 2: in on the vehicle of the Green Party, and the

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Speaker 2: Green Party have have sort of terminated that. And and

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Speaker 2: so I think it's New Zealanders. I think I kind

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Speaker 2: of think what would the average New Zealander be thinking?

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it's right that she should be

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Speaker 2: it's going to be really tough for her, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be hard she you know,

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Speaker 2: sits up the back and that lonely seat at the back.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a very isolating place, even sometimes when

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Speaker 2: you're in a party, let alone when you don't have one.

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Speaker 2: So I think Lasa here is going to be pretty

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Speaker 2: tough in here.

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Speaker 1: What would your advice be to Chloe given it's now

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Speaker 1: as far as I can ascertain, her problem, given Darling

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Speaker 1: it's not moving, does she need to? I mean, she

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like a leader to me, and she looks

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Speaker 1: like she just sort of moans a lot and doesn't

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Speaker 1: do anything about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's got that button of the Waker Jumping Bill

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Speaker 2: she has spoken quite strongly about, so I think I

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Speaker 2: think the last thing I who she said was they've

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Speaker 2: got some big meeting this week end sort of a

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Speaker 2: GM or whatever, and they're going to talk about it then.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, for a group that talked really strongly

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Speaker 2: against the Waker Jumping Bill need to go and use it,

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Speaker 2: then they're not going to cough a bit of flat

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Speaker 2: for that if they do. So, I think that's the

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Speaker 2: decision before her now.

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Speaker 1: The Walker Jumping Bill mark I for the life and

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Speaker 1: David Seymour argues against her. I can't work out what

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Speaker 1: the problem is is is she's elected by nobody, she

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Speaker 1: jettison her out of the place. Why would Seymour argue

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Speaker 1: that that's a bad thing given his argument is that

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Speaker 1: only the people who do the voting can get her out,

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Speaker 1: but the people doing the voting didn't get her in.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't speak for David. I'm guessing probably that

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Speaker 3: the argument around it a lot when it was in

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Speaker 3: Parliament was well, does that mean that list MP's in

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Speaker 3: are under threat from the party and it quite literally

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Speaker 3: creature the party and that if they have a dissenting

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Speaker 3: But I think when you look at the way our

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Speaker 3: Parliament's made up, the list, the MP is there by

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Speaker 3: the will of the party. That is why they're in there.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that's why, you know, the Green

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Speaker 3: Party have got a very difficult She was ahead of

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Speaker 3: them only because they have come out so vehemently against

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Speaker 3: this legislation, the Walker Jumping Bill, But they have got

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Speaker 3: a remedy for it, and it's the Walker Jumping Bill,

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Speaker 3: and it'll be interesting to see.

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Speaker 1: What they do do either of you know, in your

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Speaker 1: time as police ministers, New Plymouth Sergeant Terry Johnson.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I haven't come across Terry.

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Speaker 1: He's retiring fifty years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that that's.

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Speaker 1: Not bad as out how many Mark, how many Mark

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Speaker 1: would be in that ILK. How many people go into

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Speaker 1: the police and that's their job for life and retire

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Speaker 1: out at fifty years later.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's surprising. Like if I look at my recruit

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Speaker 3: wing that I went through with, there's probably still twenty

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Speaker 3: percent that are serving. I saw one of them up

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Speaker 3: and our rooms are offers each other at Police College.

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Speaker 3: He's still serving up in Kerry Carey up at Northland.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, No, there are a few that stay on.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, he's in a job role that

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Speaker 3: he loves and that is still in the community. And

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Speaker 3: I've got other friends that are at as SUU Fisher

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Speaker 3: level and have come through the ranks. I've got many.

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Speaker 3: There's quite a few dogounds out there that actually one

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Speaker 3: of them was on my sex where I first joined

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Speaker 3: with Presentual. So there are definitely police officers that joined

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Speaker 3: the job instead as a lifetime career, and I've got

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Speaker 3: the resilience and the passion for that public service and

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Speaker 3: they stick with it.

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Speaker 1: Jenny, without making it too political, because I know you will,

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Speaker 1: especially giving you a question yesterday, is that now the

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Speaker 1: TV one we're trying to going on again about all

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Speaker 1: the police leaving the country going to Australia. They had

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Speaker 1: officially there were sixty nine who have gone to Queensland

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Speaker 1: right now if you look at the force and let's

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Speaker 1: not bog ourselves down, but there's over ten thousand cops

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Speaker 1: right so sixty nine of over ten thousand people leaving

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Speaker 1: to go to Australia's hardly an issue, is it when

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Speaker 1: you look at all the news has gone to Australia anyway.

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Speaker 2: The number three hundred and twenty two, so there's goos,

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Speaker 2: we've got a total so that it's because you have

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Speaker 2: Queensland for total police.

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Speaker 1: Off to Australia. Yeah, okay, so out of ten thousand

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Speaker 3: One might just can I just say that Jenny, it

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Speaker 3: is very misleading. It might be it could be around

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Speaker 3: two to three hundred that have applied to go through

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Speaker 3: a visiting process, but not that of actually physically.

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Speaker 1: Out of park, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: I mean you know, well that's that's a police association

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Speaker 2: that have come out with those numbers. So the place

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Speaker 2: associations your debts and numbers they've got by saying how

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Speaker 2: many are in the process of going, and they'll be

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Speaker 2: at various stages, but you should.

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Speaker 3: It's allant.

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Speaker 2: It's just like is that Police Association has been using

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Speaker 2: of those hold.

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Speaker 1: On guys, Come on, Silda. What I'm trying to say

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Speaker 1: is if you've got a force of ten thousand anything,

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Speaker 1: lose s roundred and twenty two, that's just basic churn,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is an issue that we have though, is that

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Speaker 2: it's top TV on those who have served their whole lives.

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Speaker 2: And ye, there are lots of police officers who have

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Speaker 2: worked for forty plus years and have done an amazing

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Speaker 2: amount of service, but there's a lot retiring over the

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Speaker 2: next say, two to three years. And that's what means

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Speaker 2: that even if you're tuning out fifty eight per wing,

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Speaker 2: usually it's about a monty wing. But even it's eight

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Speaker 2: on top of that attrition number.

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Speaker 1: But that's applicable. Can I not argue that's applicable to

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Speaker 1: pretty much every industry in this country At the moment.

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Speaker 1: Kiwi's are fleeing this country rightly or wrongly, but the

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Speaker 1: police are no different. So in other words, this whole

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Speaker 1: pleasent isn't the.

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Speaker 2: Story police in two years? So don't that mean the

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Speaker 2: only reason we're pursuing this is that the government has

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Speaker 2: come out saying they're going to deliver five hundred places

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Speaker 3: We're very and we're very committed to do that. Look

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Speaker 3: like the reality is this is that is that there's

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Speaker 3: all the scared mungering god on. It almost feels like

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Speaker 3: people are trying to provoke our police officers to go overseas.

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Speaker 3: When I was in the police, Queensland Police were here recruiting.

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Speaker 3: They came to me. They said, we'll give you a

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Speaker 3: full bedroom home with an inground pool, with a lot

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Speaker 3: more money if you come and be a police officer

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Speaker 3: in Sunshine Coast, Queensland. And I was a young police

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Speaker 3: criticism of people that choose to go. They'll make what's

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Speaker 3: the best decision for them and their families. They've already

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Speaker 3: given great public service. But I can tell you back then,

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Speaker 3: some police officers went most stayed. So you know, all

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Speaker 3: we're doing is we folks seeing on our five hundred.

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Speaker 3: We're going to keep with pretty Nose's points.

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Speaker 1: Fair, isn't Because I read that that police news article

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Speaker 1: the other day suggesting you're having a little bit of

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Speaker 1: trouble at the moment. Will you get the five hundred.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're on track for the five hundred.

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Speaker 2: We make the mists, no one track for the five hundred.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 2: Get down down there.

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Speaker 3: You've got absolutely down the absolutely mate, Absolutely we are.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely we are, Jinny. And look, I've spent all week

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Speaker 3: reinforcing for me that we have an incredibly dedicated and

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Speaker 3: that they can.

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Speaker 2: Okay, quick question, But they're not paid enough. They're not

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Speaker 2: paid enough, and the payover the no one's paid enough.

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Speaker 1: You're paid enough. No one's paid enough. I know.

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Speaker 2: But we met last police officers were really hoping for

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Speaker 2: a whole lot more. That's the honestly.

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Speaker 1: I thought the arbitrator thing was a good idea, Jinny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it saved a year's worth of just make

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Speaker 1: a decision, get on with it.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. And you never go and paid overtime, Jenny,

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Speaker 3: You never awful. They're awful, not enough.

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Speaker 2: That's what they see.

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Speaker 3: Let me be really clear, Genny, us is an incoming

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Speaker 3: government having to fix up your mess. Gave from the

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Speaker 3: quart of a billion dollars more in the payoffer. We

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Speaker 3: went to paid overtime, which I felt very strongly about.

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Speaker 3: I would have loved to have paid that when I

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Speaker 3: was working in the police. And actually I think that

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Speaker 3: on reflection, once we get through this, I'm hoping that

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Speaker 3: when everyone considers what a bad space space we are

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Speaker 3: in a country in terms of what we had to

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Speaker 3: and Europe, it was actually a fear offer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, got a mode of you guys. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday. Appreciate it. Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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