1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: one of the kind. I'm the Huddle tonight. Jack Tame, 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: host of Saturday mornings on News Talks, B and Q 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: and A on TV one. Hey Jack, Hey Ryan, good 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: to have you on. And Jordan Williams is here from 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the Taxpayers Union. Hey Jordan, the right move Jack by 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: our World Athletics. What do you think? 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: I think they and many other sporting bodies simply feel 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: like things have got to a point where they have 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: to draw a line in the sand. And the problem is, 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: in some respect it is a very very difficult line 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: to draw because inevitably they're going to be people you 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: upset and given participation is one of the kind of 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: foundations of most sports, are they're going to be people 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 2: who feel as though they are being excluded from it. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: I think for the most part, you know a lot 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: of people are going to support World Athletics for this. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: And there's the transgender issue which Dave referring to, which 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: I suppose is the difference between gender and sex and 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: the way that he's scribe people are affirming their their gender. 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: I think one of the big questions with World Athletics 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: is is the place for people who have DSD. I 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: think they call it like differences in sexual development. So 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: even though we think of sex as being binary males 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: and females, obviously there are some people who have things 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: like additional zones. So they still might genetically be a 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: woman or genetic man, but they might have certain physical 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: advantages that other people who are sex as they have. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: And of work exposition is that not only will this 30 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: ruling mean that people who are perhaps transgender and identify 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: as the different gender to their sex, not only will 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: they not be able to compete in their in their 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: chosen necessarily when the gender they identify with necessarily, but 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: also people who have those naturally occurring differences might also 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: be isolated. And like I say, you've got you've got 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: to draw a line somewhere. I can imagine that that's 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: a group of people who feel pretty aggrieved at this 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: because when you think about it, you know, sorry, just 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: one last point, like when you think about it, like Michael, 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: the reason he's won so many gold medals, one of 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: the reasons he's won is because he has these kind 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: of naturally occurring physical qualities that distinguish him from other swimmers. 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean you look at his the length of his arms, 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: for example, and his feet. I mean he's completely different 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: physiologically to so many of his so many of his competitors. 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: And I supposing that even some people who have those 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: naturally occurring differences, they're also going to be unable to compete, 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: you know, in the sticks that they were assigned to. 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: In other words, what about the hermaphrodites. I mean, that's 50 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: essentially Jordan where we're going here. 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: It's have much to say. I think that that Dave 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: from A from A if you'd listen to Radio New Zealand, 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: would have sounded quite radical. But based on the text 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: messages I can see coming into this station seemed quite mainstream. 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: And what what more could I add to what Jack 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: and Dave have said? You don't want to touch this 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: or that I've got Apparently fighting for lower taxes attracts 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: lots of enemies, apparently for the difference between men and women. 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 1: Also, I mean I've picked one fair enough, fair enough, 60 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: we can move on from this topic. We don't all 61 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: have to pick aside. I think I think you've got 62 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: to be you've got to have a fair competition for 63 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: women for biological women, but you can also have another 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Why can't they have another category? 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like I saw you bite 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: your tongue when he said, you know, you only need 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: to be tested once in your life, and all the 68 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: listeners were biting it by the thinking is he going 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: to ask? But what if they changed the gender? 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing though, isn't it? But you 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: did it? It was okay, I think, David. 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: Most of which you couldn't read out with New Zealand 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: so international realty, the ones with local and global reash. 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Jack Tame and Jordan Williams on the huddle. Let's talk 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: about something you can talk about Jordan's soon as you 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: have whimped out of the last one. Toto on a 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: city council in this coffee bill, so four hundred and 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars will get you four coffee machines and 79 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: beans for five years. 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: Just outrageous. This is a council that says, oh, we've 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: got no money, we're going to put up rates by 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: twelve percent. We need to revitalize the CBDMA boy, oh boy, 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: We're not going to send our staff outside for you know, 84 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: to go to a cafe. We just need to get 85 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: a grup. This is a story of the textpaces you've 86 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: been sitting on. We've had this for about three weeks. 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: The council had to respond within the next week about 88 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: more details. We found the tender online and what do 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 3: you know, they give it to some friendly media and 90 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: stuff to try to spin it. I am sorry, Mahi Drysdale. 91 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: You should be on here explaining to tarring a rate 92 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: part facing a twelve percent height and rates. How on 93 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: earth you justify half a million dollars for three four 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: coffee machines? You heard of espresso. There are a couple 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: of hundred bucks also of coffee capsules, they're a dollar each. 96 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: You're spending half a million dollars on four coffee machines. 97 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: And presumably they will also have on top of that 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: Jack tea like they do here, and tea bags, you know, 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: instant coffee and Milo you know what I mean, Like, 100 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: it's not just this. I'm assuming that's milk and the fridge. 101 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, careful, Ryan, you know that I think some 102 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: of the shareholders a bit but unhappy with things at 103 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: the moment, So you don't want to give out too 104 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: much corporate detail at the moment. But no, look, I 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: just think what a missed opportunity. I mean, like, you're 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: coming out of a period where commissioners have been running 107 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: the city because the council was so dysfunctional. One of 108 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: the absolute top of the list most critical roles I 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: think for the new council and indeed for the new 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: mayor is to win the trust of the public, To 111 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: show the public that actually they're worthy of the votes, 112 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: that they don't need commissioners, that you have functioning leadership 113 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: at the head of your counsel, and to come out 114 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: and say, yes, we know our cities facing all sorts 115 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: of pressures at the moment. This is one relatively small 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: but a sacrifice none the less that we are willing 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: to make in order to make sure we're getting the 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: very best value for totyng a's ratepayers. I would have 119 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: thought would be a really easy victory and people are 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: going to look at that baseline number half a million 121 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: bucks over the next few years and recoil. 122 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just it's utter arrogance from the sector. 123 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: You know, we've got local government New Zealand currently doing 124 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 3: a pr campaign that's encouraging Simon Watts, the new Minister 125 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: of Local Government to walk back on the on the 126 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 3: Prime Minister's commitments around rates caps, and they say, you know, 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: trust us, trust us. You know there's no money, there's 128 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: no money. And then you see stories like this and worse, 129 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: the hypocrites like Marhi Drysdale who say they believe in 130 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: user pays except when it applies to them, apparently refuse 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: to front. I just think that it's this is exactly 132 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: why the government needs to hold firm on these rates 133 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: caps and get local government back under control. 134 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: We have one minute, Jack, I really want to quickly 135 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: get to TAMOTHA. Paul. Is she wrong in her criticisms 136 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: of police and those on the beat? 137 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, of course she is a classic example 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: of politics in the bubble right. Like Tammoth Paul speaking 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: to her die hard supporters, I bet they lapped up 140 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: every word. They would have absolutely loved it. But for 141 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: all of those voters out there who might one day 142 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: be considering voting for the Greens, they'll hear those comments 143 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: and go, you know what, these are totally devoid from reality. 144 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: Maybe for a tiny sliver of people they feel nervous 145 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: seeing police on the beat. But I think for the 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: vast majority of New Zealand, more police, more visible, makes 147 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: them feel more safe. 148 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: And the evidence for an evidence based party, they didn't 149 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: look very hard for the evidence because they would have 150 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: found that there was a five and a half percent 151 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: drop in the place and Wellington where the beats were happening. 152 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: Jordan, Yeah, I mean these are not serious people. Are 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: they to suggest that police make people feel less safe? Look, 154 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: as we talked about a few weeks ago, the thing 155 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: that does make you feel less safe in Wellington, it's 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: apparently Green and Peas who go around abusing. 157 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: People, you know what I mean? 158 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: That's or another one who does feel unsafe around the 159 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: police because she's getting arrested. I'm sorry for former Green Empea. 160 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: This is not serious people. 161 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: Jack Tame Jordan Williams on the Haddle. 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