1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Past week or so, we've done kiwi fruit, We've done 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: apples and pears, we've done the red meat. All sectors 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: growing breaking records, generally contributing positively to the New Zealand economy. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Well today the marine sector because Westpac Sea's expansion there 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: as well exports could bring in an extra four billion 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: in the next ten years. Currently ocean resources contribute three 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: point nine percent towards our GDP. The Aquaculture New Zealand 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: CEO is Gary Hooper as well as Gary Morning. 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: Good morning mate. 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Do you see what the bank sees? 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a glance at the report late yesterday 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: and I generally agree that specifically they highlighted aquaculture as 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: an area for significant growth, And of course that's a 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 2: story of its trying to tell for almost the last 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: twenty years, and I think we are right on the 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: casts and it was made terrific gains. I rolled back to. 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: I think it was back in Hallan Clark's government towards 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: the end there was a strategy of a billion dollars 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: by twenty twenty five. Didn't quite get there. We're no 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: eight hundred million, bit over eight hundred million. But I 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: sort of reflect back and look at the things why 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: didn't we get there, and things like consenting, the difficulty 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: in getting consens new consense, the uncertainty of it, the 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: time taken, and the extraordinary cost. And of course what 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: that does is damp in both interest and investment. 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Correct, do you hold out hope with the reform that's 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: going on under the current government or not. 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: Well, it's the best thing I've seen in my time. 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: We've got a champion in Minister Jones. He's a champion 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: for oceans and fisheries and that obviously involves aquaculture, but 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: he's also a real champion for regional development and that's 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: where aquaculture takes place. And things like last year we 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: saw the accenter durations of coastal permits for marine farms. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: Towards the end of the year, it was the fast 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: track approvals. And I look at the fast track approvals 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: and say, well, that almost takes us back to the 37 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: first fifteen odd years of the ROMA, where there was 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: a more balanced, nuanced view and assessing things. But unfortunately, 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: there was a court decision in the early teens and 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: that made it a very binary view. Mere fact that 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: something you know, that something could have an adverse effect. 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: You didn't even get to the chance to demonstrate how 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: you could mitigate and adapt. Was simply a hard no. 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: And I think I have a hope in the fast 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: track approvals. One obviously the shortened time frame to the 46 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: certainty so you know where you are you're off, and 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: three a more nuanced approach that could be the circuit 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: breaker to unless the opportunities for aquaculture fantastic. 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: So eight hundred million, so you're confident because eight hundred million, 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: there's a big gap between eight hundred million and another 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: four billion over ten years. So if you get the 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: regulation out of the way, your foot's on the pedal. 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And of course the Westpac report talked to 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: other aspects of the marine economy, but look, I'm on 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: Bolish for aquaculture. We can get an extra two points 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: something billion, I say, relatively easy. It will still take 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: some time, and of course you still need the investment 58 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: and the confidence that the demonstration. But the one thing 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm very confident on is the market demand for our 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 2: wonderful products and were currently we're the King Salmon, the 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: Champaigne of salmon, popular all over the world. And say 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: that I've got this Chef America is organizing a symposium, 63 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: a very influential guy, and he's desperate to feature New 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: Zealand salmon our productions, so constrained that we were struggling 65 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: to be to meet his needs. 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Good problem. Let's hope Shane gets on with it and 67 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: we can get you back on the program when you 68 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: crack the four billion, Gary appreciate it, Gary Hooper, Aquaculture, 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand CEO. For more from The mic Asking Breakfast, 70 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks that'd be from six weekdays, 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.