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Speaker 1: Brian Bridge Auckland Pride is accused Winston Peters of conspiratorial

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Speaker 1: fear mongering in relation to his comments about Benjamin Doyle.

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Speaker 1: The Deputy PM criticized Duel for their Instagram account with

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Speaker 1: the handle Bible belt bussy here is close habrook.

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Speaker 2: Members of many minority communities, the Rainbow community included, oftentimes

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Speaker 2: end up co opting or using language which is considered

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Speaker 2: it absurd or whatever else by external groups and flippant

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Speaker 2: or reverend ways in order to help navigate the world.

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Speaker 1: Been good, sir is the chair of allkam Pride with

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Speaker 1: me now?

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Speaker 3: Hi Ben, Hi Ran, how's it going good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Good to have you on the show. Can

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Speaker 1: you see why? Okay, just pretend you're not the chair

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Speaker 1: of Allkam Pride for a second. You're a semi conservative

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Speaker 1: kind of father of two. Can you see why from

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Speaker 1: some people's perspective seeing a child, a photo of a

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Speaker 1: child with a man be it their father, and the

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Speaker 1: post the caption bussy galore, which is a sexualized reference

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Speaker 1: to a man's bottom, can you see why that might

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Speaker 1: set pitch some people off?

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Speaker 3: Look, rant I can see like lots of people have

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Speaker 3: feel shocked by the queer community and that there are

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Speaker 3: lots of misunderstandings that still exist, and so I can

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Speaker 3: understand why someone who doesn't have the understanding and doesn't

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Speaker 3: have the context might feel shocked. But hopefully I can

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Speaker 3: provide a bit of that context today.

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Speaker 1: Do it? Yeah? Tell us what is what is the

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Speaker 1: context that why would you put that type of term

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Speaker 1: next to a child?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think I think the starting point for this

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Speaker 3: is that Benjamin Doyle is a really well respected member

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Speaker 3: of our community and when this post was done, was

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Speaker 3: working at the Burnett Foundation, which is a local grassroots

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Speaker 3: charity looking to end the transmission of HIV and Altor

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Speaker 3: lived just off Cada Road. Every day I'm walking past

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Speaker 3: posters from the Burnett Foundation with a sort of language

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Speaker 3: on it trying to connect with the areas of the

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Speaker 3: Rainbow community that need to hear these messages about sexual health.

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Speaker 3: And this is language of means of RuPaul that is

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Speaker 3: becoming more common, but is language that is targeted towards

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Speaker 3: certain communities and intended to engage with those communities. And

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Speaker 3: as I understand it, this was just one photo and

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Speaker 3: a whole reel of photos that Benjamin posted and their

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Speaker 3: role was to connect with communities, and so what we're

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Speaker 3: seeing here is the intersection of their work, of their

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Speaker 3: identity as a queer person, and of their role as

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Speaker 3: someone who's a part of a family.

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Speaker 1: So the caption the bussy thing was actually applied to

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different photos, not just this one

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Speaker 1: particular photo of the child.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying, Yeah, my understanding is, you know,

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Speaker 3: they had this joke nickname of Bible about bussy on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: and so they've put up a realer photos of what

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Speaker 3: they've been up to and captioned it bussy galore. Sure

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Speaker 3: you know it's not what everyone might expect, but that

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Speaker 3: that kind of was a reflection of them and their

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Speaker 3: engagements with the community. And one of those photos had

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Speaker 3: their family member in it. But that's not okay, that's

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Speaker 3: not something that I think is worth us spending a

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Speaker 3: lot of time reading into.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, do you know what I find

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Speaker 1: interesting about all of this? Because I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 1: am a part of this community, but I don't I mean,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what bussy meant, if I'm being

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Speaker 1: honest with you. But something with stimped said to me,

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Speaker 1: Barry Soper has said the same thing when he came

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Speaker 1: in this afternoon. They've heard from friends of theirs who

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Speaker 1: are gay, and I've heard from friends of mine who say,

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Speaker 1: why do these guys have to go around provoking stuff

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Speaker 1: like with a pride parade in Auckland, for example. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything but anybody did anything wrong because

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Speaker 1: I love a drag show. But if you know that

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Speaker 1: there's people who don't, you know, why take it to

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Speaker 1: a library with these children? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Can we are we trying to be inclusive or are

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Speaker 1: we trying to provoke?

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean the queer community has been seen as

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Speaker 3: inherently provocatives for centuries and so it's only in the

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Speaker 3: last twenty years that our mere existence has been anything

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Speaker 3: less than provocative. So coming along afterwards and sort of

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Speaker 3: training to police the language of communities and the way

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Speaker 3: that they engage. And there are people who are disconnected

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Speaker 3: and this is the sort of language that gets that

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Speaker 3: get it used to reach out and enter those communities

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Speaker 3: that need to hear these messages. And these are the

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Speaker 3: important messages that are going to help us end HIV

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. And so it's it's not for everyone,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's also it's part of a much wider

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Speaker 3: picture in a really deep history where people's very existence

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Speaker 3: has been seen as controversial for so long.

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, Ben, Thank you very much. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on the program, being good to all. Compride to here.

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