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Speaker 1: ACC levies. They're going to go up. They're going to

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Speaker 1: rise steadily over the next three years, are going to

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Speaker 1: fill at seven point two billion dollar DEFICEI, or at

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Speaker 1: least help to And there's going to be a review

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Speaker 1: of ACC with us now, is ACC lawyer and researcher

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Speaker 1: Warren Forster Hey, Warren.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good worrying, how do you doing well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Do we need this review?

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Speaker 2: We absolutely need this review. And the reason is that

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Speaker 2: ACEC has really failed New Zealanders over the last few

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Speaker 2: years and the Minister's at the point now where he

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Speaker 2: needs to decide does he keep going with the status

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Speaker 2: crow or do we really pause now and think what's

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Speaker 2: going on there?

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Speaker 1: When you say failed us, is that because of not

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Speaker 1: getting us back to work and out of the rehab.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's the key thing. So New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: get into it all the time and what we need

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Speaker 2: to do is rehab to get better. But things have

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Speaker 2: just slowed down so much that it's taking longer. And

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Speaker 2: the really important point there is that we shouldn't blame

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders. We're out there doing our thing. We're not

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Speaker 2: the experts and rehabilitation aceies is that when it's taking

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Speaker 2: sort of months to get medical evidence or a SEC

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Speaker 2: can make decisions months to get decisions on treatment. The

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Speaker 2: bureaucratic process has overtaken people's needs and that's costing us

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Speaker 2: more and ACC now by upping these levees is passing

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Speaker 2: that cost back to us. And what the minister's saying

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Speaker 2: is we need to stop here and have a think,

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Speaker 2: and that really is, you know, we need to do

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Speaker 2: that because we can't keep going in a direction where

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Speaker 2: things aren't working, and we need to understand why they're

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Speaker 2: not working. And that's what the minister is talking about.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, those motorcycle levees are pretty hefty. Do you

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Speaker 1: reckon is this going to get people to give up

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Speaker 1: their bikes?

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Speaker 2: Look, I've got no idea. I don't ride bikes myself.

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Speaker 2: But the whole point is we need to pay for

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Speaker 2: the scheme somehow, and we either do that by levees

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Speaker 2: or we do it by return on investment. And one

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Speaker 2: of the it's missing here is that ACC's got sixty

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Speaker 2: odd billion dollars in a big fund. They don't need

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Speaker 2: to click levies every year to fully fund the scheme

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Speaker 2: because they can use return on investment to do it,

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Speaker 2: and we just need to be really careful when we're

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Speaker 2: having these discussions to take a long term view. Putting

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Speaker 2: my motorcycle levees up and down to something that happens

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Speaker 2: every few years and it just makes very little sense.

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Speaker 2: What we need to do is look at the big

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Speaker 2: picture and say, Okay, what is costing us, how do

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Speaker 2: we click that money, and most importantly, how do we

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Speaker 2: help people get back to work, get back to their

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Speaker 2: lives and not just cut them off the scheme. That's

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing now. We're starting to see thousands of

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Speaker 2: people who've got brain injuries. A SEC's just decided, look,

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Speaker 2: we don't believe in post concussion syndrome anymore. So thousands

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Speaker 2: of people are just going to get cut off. And

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Speaker 2: that's the exits that we start to see. And we

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Speaker 2: need to stop looking at exiting people and start looking

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Speaker 2: at rehabilitating people.

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Speaker 1: And thanks, I appreciate you expertise and getting up for

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Speaker 1: us as that's Warren Foster, acc lawyer and researcher.

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