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Speaker 1: Heather duple Clo.

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Speaker 2: The government is defending its decision to take its time

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Speaker 2: on the recognition of a Palestinian state. There are reports

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Speaker 2: it's being held up by coalition disagreements. David Cimoa is

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Speaker 2: the Deputy Prime Minister and the act Party lead down

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Speaker 2: with us. Now, hey, David, is it really coalition disagreements

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Speaker 2: or is it simply that all of you guys are

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Speaker 2: on board with taking your time here.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, the only person saying that is

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Speaker 1: Chris Hipkins. Chris Hipkins doesn't know what's happening in cabinet,

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Speaker 1: mainly because the voters ejected him from that room for

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Speaker 1: being a bit useless. Quite frankly, the truth is that

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Speaker 1: the government is taking its time. Some people say this

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Speaker 1: conflict goes back four thousand years. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a major problem for the government of New Zealand on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the world to take a few

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Speaker 1: weeks to come to a sober and sensible decision where

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Speaker 1: we know where we stand and also have thought through

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Speaker 1: things like what happens next. Because I can understand people

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Speaker 1: who are affected by the emotion of seeing these grotesque

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Speaker 1: scenes and terrible things that are happening. We understand that,

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Speaker 1: but the question is what do you do about it?

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Speaker 1: And we are, I believe, going to come to a

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Speaker 1: very good position as a government that upholds in New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's tradition as a country of independent and thoughtful foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: seen as an honest broker in the world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is the argument for not doing it in

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Speaker 2: September with everybody?

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Speaker 1: Well, we may very well do that if we go

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Speaker 1: through the discussions we have planned and get to a

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Speaker 1: position by then. But again, I think there's this enormous

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Speaker 1: onus of everybody must do something, it almost doesn't matter what.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is that these kinds of awful conflicts

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Speaker 1: occur because people are ruled by their passions instead of

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Speaker 1: thinking carefully about how they'd like the world to work. Now,

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Speaker 1: we will get to a place where our government can

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Speaker 1: hand on hearts say that we are thinking carefully about

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Speaker 1: all of the different sides and their objectives and the

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Speaker 1: challenges they face and why they are in the place

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Speaker 1: they're in, rather than trying to almost prove our own

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Speaker 1: moral superiority over each other, which the likes of Chloe

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Speaker 1: Swarbrock have just been doing. Getting kicked out of Parliament

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Speaker 1: for David.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for your time, David Cymore deepd Prime.

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