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Speaker 1: A terrorism expert, says everybody boarding a plane in New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: including regional flights, should go through security screening. It comes

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Speaker 1: after the release of a new assessment of the country's

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Speaker 1: security threat. This is by the SIS the Security Intelligence Service.

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Speaker 1: It says there's a realistic possibility of a terrorist attack

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand, most likely a lone actor attack, but

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Speaker 1: the terror threat level hasn't changed. John Battersby is Massi

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Speaker 1: University Center for Defense and Security Studies expert with us

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Speaker 1: this morning. John, Good morning, good morning, Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: with me. How you reckon the regional flights? It is

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Speaker 1: always weird when you go get on the plane and

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Speaker 1: you haven't been screened. Do you think it's time we

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Speaker 1: look at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the Essays report hasn't really said anything

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Speaker 2: that's terribly different from the risk that has existed now

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Speaker 2: for our let's say the last fifty years. Airports have

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Speaker 2: been a vulnerable point for quast time now and what

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Speaker 2: New Zealand needs to do is start to look at

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Speaker 2: where the opportunities could be taken by an individual perpetrator

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Speaker 2: wishing to do harm to a group of people. And

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Speaker 2: that's one area to me that seems an obvious point

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Speaker 2: at which we could just strengthen our security consciousness and

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Speaker 2: eliminate another option that would be there.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference between a bus and a plane. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're thinking about a regional flight to Pame from Auckland,

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Speaker 1: for example, I don't know how many you'd have on there.

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Speaker 1: I do that flight quite often. You probably have twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty forty people on there. You know, what is the

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Speaker 1: difference between that and somebody getting a knife out on

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Speaker 1: a bus?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, you're absolutely right. The risk that it's there

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Speaker 2: are with anywhere where there are people in a confined space,

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Speaker 2: that risk is there, and it overseas terrorist organizations have

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Speaker 2: used those options. They tend to use those options less

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Speaker 2: than they're doing a craft for some reason. But yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: you're absolutely right, and you know, the realistic possibility idea

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Speaker 2: is it's there. It's not a high risk. It's not

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Speaker 2: like you know, it's going to happen tomorrow, and we

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Speaker 2: know that it's just a risk that's sitting there and

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Speaker 2: just a reminder for us to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: more security conscious about things. So yeah, look, we can't

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Speaker 2: we can't change absolutely everything we do. We just got

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Speaker 2: a little more security conscious about how we do it.

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Speaker 2: I think what the.

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Speaker 1: Report more generally talks about the threat of radicalization of

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Speaker 1: people here in New Zealand online over issues like Palestine,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen lots of protests about that. Is that

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Speaker 1: a big worry for you?

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Speaker 2: I don't think anything's a bit worry. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: just a lacent rest that's sitting there all the time.

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Speaker 2: As if you look back across these industry sometimes these

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Speaker 2: international events do seep through into interaction here. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: where we have a strongly emotive issue that can motivate

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Speaker 2: people to do something, there's always the elevated risk that

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Speaker 2: something might occur. Does it worry me a great deal?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I think what worries me more is that zildas tend

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Speaker 2: to not take these kind of things seriously and we

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Speaker 2: just need to wake up a little bit to the

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Speaker 2: risk that is there. That's only one issue. There are

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Speaker 2: the others.

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Speaker 1: John, thank you very much for your time, John badisbee

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Speaker 1: Massy University's Center for Defense and Security Studies with us

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Speaker 1: talking about that report from the sis yesterday. We don't

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Speaker 1: really take things too seriously, do we, And it is

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Speaker 1: nice getting on a regional flight. Oh that's right. I

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Speaker 1: don't have to go through security. I mean, it's all

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Speaker 1: rainbows and butterflies until someone takes the plane down. I suppose,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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