1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Last couple of weeks he's had four senior advisors leave abruptly. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Some have been accused of leaking, so it's a troubled office. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: He looks incompetent. I personally don't like the stars and 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: strike handkerchief he wears in his pocket each day, and 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: he's got a bad choice of socks. But apart from that, 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: he's probably looking for a new job. Twenty three minutes 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: away from seven to France, Catherine Field with the reaction 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: from that particular part of the world on the Pope, 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: of course, shortly meantime back here, I claim that international 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: organized crime syndicate to targeting New Zealand's sport. Others concern 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: that even grassroots level sport is vulnerable to corruption and doping, 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: if you can believe it. The Sport Integrity Commission has 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: engaged inter Pol, among others, for support. The Sport Integrity 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: Commission CEO Rebecca Rolls is with us on this. Rebecca, 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: good morning, Good morning mate. Now this is a United 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Nations report. Is this one of these very broad based 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: You better watch out. Here's a red flag if you're 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: a bit worried and that doesn't actually affect us, or 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: is it something more than that. 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, I mean, I think anything. I 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: think it's a UNODC reports into Polwark is happening overseas, 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: and yeah, the threats and I guess maturity of competition 23 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: manipulation is more over there. But what we do know 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: is that that gives us a little bit of a 25 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: crystal ball and that we are vulnerable because of a 26 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: few unique factors that on the New Zealand has at 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: the moment. And you know these organized crime groups and 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 2: unregulated gambling that markets with trillions of dollars and sits 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: in for Southeast Asia. So because of that, New Zealand 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: play sport at a time and the rest of the 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: world to sleep, and those people who do want to 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: bet on something will want to be able to obviously 33 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: do that live and all of New Zealand and the 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: East Coast of Australia are playing sport at that time, 35 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: and so anything that's online or stream or live in 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: any way creates a market. 37 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: If we would dodge you right now, do you reckon 38 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: you could spot it. 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: There's lots of way you can, I mean to be honest. 40 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: If you go to some sporting events, you can come 41 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: across people in the crowd who they might have, you know, 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: multiple phones and be talking of interesting parts of the 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: players that's unfolding, so you can spot sort of some 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: enablers like that, and I think at the other end, 45 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's something really really blatant in the sport, 46 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: you could spot that as well, but a lot of 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: it goes unnoticed because it's very small things in any 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: sport that has kind of games within a game or 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: smaller components to it as vulnerable. 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Does your organization reach into grassroots level sport? I mean 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: if I'm standing on the sideline on a Saturday, I mean, 52 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: would I have any idea that you were monitoring, looking at, 53 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: understanding anything about, you know, anything other than elite sport. 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. We certainly have a lot of 55 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: resources and when it's racing stuff online and lots of 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: I guess policies and educational stuff so people can dive 57 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: into that. But in terms of awareness at grassroots level, 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 2: I think that's pretty low. And that's kind of nice 59 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: because m Dyllan's you know, not a typically corrupt country. 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: But when we think about sort of for example, in 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: football in the National League last year there was over 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: two hundred million bet on the National League in New Zealand, 63 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: and that's sort of five hundred thousand to one point 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: form million a game, about ninety six books book makers, 65 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: all sort of off site. Sure, so yes, that's not grassroots, 66 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: but that's where our kids come through, you know, grassroots 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: and then a little small things like offering you a 68 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: pair of boats or a scholarship or some sort of 69 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: other opportunity that can look really really inviting to kids 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: and young adults. So those are the kinds of it 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: is a continuum in New Zealander anywhere, and those are 72 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: the sorts of risks that we do try and educate 73 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: people on good stuff. 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Nice talk to you, Rebecca go Well Rebecca Roles, who's 75 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: the Sport Integrity Commissioned CEO. 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