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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bit later than usual, but always good to get

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Speaker 2: the chance on a Sunday afternoon to chat to James mcconey.

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Speaker 2: This is your second presumably broadcasting assignment of the day.

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Speaker 2: What were you doing earlier? Was it a classic All

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Speaker 2: Blacks match? Tell us about this?

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Speaker 3: Yes, classic All Blacks versus Classic Tunny Far Northland, Tunny

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Speaker 3: Far infangad. A beautiful day there at the stadium and

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Speaker 3: some absolute stars of the game. So probably the biggest

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Speaker 3: star was Conrad Smith, who was reffing the game, and

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Speaker 3: I thought he did a sterling job, although he copped

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Speaker 3: a lot of abuse from his old teammates.

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Speaker 2: Who in particular was getting mauthy towards Conrad Smith or

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Speaker 2: were they all?

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Speaker 3: I don't want to name names, but John R. Ford

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Speaker 3: does friend to mine. He is quite lively and as

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Speaker 3: I mean to be honest, he's missing his calling. He

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Speaker 3: is a commentator and a prop's body and he needs

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Speaker 3: to someone Sky needs to sign him up immediately. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: look some of the big names out there, I say

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Speaker 3: to but Switzervaki, Stephen Donald, that was the starting back

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Speaker 3: line with Andre Taylor looking incredible still playing club rugby

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Speaker 3: and Manua too, and of course as a Hurricanes fan pioneer,

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Speaker 3: you must feel that he was hard done by. And

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Speaker 3: Conrad Smith agreed that Andre Taylor should have been an

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Speaker 3: All Black.

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Speaker 2: I remember, as you said his name. I remember there

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Speaker 2: was a season where he was spectacularly good and being

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Speaker 2: talked about in All Black terms. And I remember actually

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Speaker 2: hearing an interview with him a year or so later

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Speaker 2: where he said the fact he didn't get picked really

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Speaker 2: affected him because he thought he had done enough, but

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Speaker 2: Cley just not quite enough at that time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there were lots of questionable calls. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Ranny Ranger probably should have been at least a fifty

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Speaker 3: test All Black. And that's what always feels the worst

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Speaker 3: for those players, is that in any other nation, you know,

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Speaker 3: he Andre Taylor would have played one hundred tests for

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Speaker 3: the Wallabies, right. So it's just that New Zealand it's

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Speaker 3: the toughest nut to crack the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: I say, a toy Ather, what sort of shape is

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Speaker 3: Looking good? Knee strapped up but looking really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I saw the iceman's looking good. Frank halee bigger than

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Speaker 3: on what I thought, and definitely thought he was possibly

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Speaker 3: a number eight or even maybe a front rower. But

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Speaker 3: he scored it and away try so I take it

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Speaker 3: all back, Frank Hallai, He's still got it.

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Speaker 2: And I got to miss it here at Troy Flavel

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Speaker 2: and Hecker Elliott were there as well. By the sounds

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Speaker 3: Hecker looking like he still should be playing his very

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Speaker 3: fit near him illness Scudder as well. I mean I

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Speaker 3: thought he was too young, but he's actually thirty three.

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Speaker 3: Troy Flavel forty eight years old, looking super young. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what his secret is. It's either he's on

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Speaker 3: the oil of olay or the natural glow, maybe a

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Speaker 3: combination of the two. And yeah, forty eighth and looking

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Speaker 3: fit as a fiddle fory f level.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon Nhimilna Scudder just because you've mentioned him

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Speaker 2: as one of the great lost opportunities of all black

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Speaker 2: rugby because of injury. I mean twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup, James,

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Speaker 2: You'll remember this absolute star came home from there, you know,

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Speaker 2: scoring tries at the World Cup. Looked like the world

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Speaker 2: was at his feet. He would have played not even

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Speaker 2: ten test matches after that because of injury.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly. And it's a shame as well because it

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Speaker 3: was he came along at a time when they actually

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Speaker 3: really needed one of those multi skilled wingers. You look

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Speaker 3: at other nations and they have them now, don't they.

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Speaker 3: You know Ireland with Matt Hanson, these wingers who can

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Speaker 3: James low probably qualifies as one of those wingers, as

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Speaker 3: though he's a bit beefier, but nehim, Milna Scudder. The

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Speaker 3: side step on him was amazing. But I think that

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Speaker 3: he plugged that gap that we lost when we lost

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Speaker 3: Charles Piertew. We knew we needed or Ted limits. We

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Speaker 3: Steve Hanson knew that we needed X factor and he

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Speaker 3: well in their hair that no matter the occasion, he

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Speaker 3: still just played exactly the same way. He wasn't overawed

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Speaker 2: No, it was on because they took white sucking a

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Speaker 2: holow on that World Cup touring party as well. Remember

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Speaker 2: they left Corey Jane and Israel dag out, which was controversial,

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Speaker 2: took Naholo and Milner Scudder. I've just checked the stats

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Speaker 2: here James after the World Cup final in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: near Milna. Scudder played just five more Test matches. That

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Speaker 3: Would have been after that World Cup final. You can

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Speaker 3: imagine he probably would have been. He would have had

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Speaker 3: advertised as sponsors clamoring to get his services. But if

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Speaker 3: I may segue, even though this is your show, onto

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Speaker 3: another outstanding Hurricanes player, please and this is probably going

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Speaker 3: to hurt you, Piney, but you've probably seen the news

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Speaker 3: that Josh Morby will be going to Montpellier and fulfilling

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Speaker 3: his contract in front, even though I understand that he

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Speaker 3: was trying to get out of it and stay in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand because he was getting very close to that

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Speaker 3: all black squad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's another one as and then covers fallback

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Speaker 2: as well, and in fact plays played and plays a

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Speaker 2: lot of fallbacks, and Northland in particular terrific on the

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Speaker 2: wing for the Hurricanes. Just I don't know, do you

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Speaker 2: think he just thought did he look at the queue

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys in that queue and I'm not

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Speaker 2: really getting any indication that I'm moving up that queue.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just a difference in pay when you're

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Speaker 3: an up and coming player and suddenly an overseas club says,

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Speaker 3: we'll pay you what a superstar deserves, or you know,

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Speaker 3: what we think your star quality deserves, and so I

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Speaker 3: think that was the tempting thing, and so he would

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Speaker 3: have signed. I guess it's called a something like a

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Speaker 3: something like that. And then you know, everybody was probably

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Speaker 3: keen for Josh to stay. Josh was probably keen to stay,

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Speaker 3: but then they balk at that price tag. So another

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Speaker 3: that when he was in Cambridge because his sister in

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Speaker 3: law is Tory Peter's the javelin thrower. He was in

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Speaker 3: there training with Olympic athletes and they were saying his

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Speaker 3: speed testing was off the chart. So you know, kind

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Speaker 3: of a dark horse really, Josh Morby, but he'll be

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Speaker 3: lost in his zellow rugby first for two years at least.

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Speaker 2: Thoroughly nice bloke too. I'm not sure if you've had

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Speaker 3: Have you, mate, he's the son of a tew On

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Speaker 3: miritchard Jerry Farmer. Do you think I haven't met Josh

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Speaker 3: Morby or how do I know so much about Josh Morby? No,

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Speaker 3: that's I actually haven't met him. I think maybe I've

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Speaker 2: Look, if he was walking down the street and you

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Speaker 2: said good Josh, he'd say good James in your chat

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Speaker 2: for twenty minutes. He's a terrific, terrific bloke. Yeah, great guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speak speaking, Sorry, carry on.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, please, you were talking about some dram in.

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Speaker 3: Football, in the world of football. I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: yet kick and clim Kova. Actually, and I known a

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Speaker 3: lot of people out there might be might not be

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Speaker 3: following the soap opera of the football fans coaching saga.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, she's finally resigned, and I think this is

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Speaker 3: I guess that an example of player power and action.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt inevitable, didn't it. We had Andrew Pragnell

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Speaker 2: on the show yesterday. They eventually did put him up

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Speaker 2: to chat. After a bit of a cone of silence

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Speaker 2: on Friday, when this news dropped Yeah, and it felt

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Speaker 2: think this is the right outcome. It's taken us quite

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Speaker 2: a while to get here. I was actually sort of

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Speaker 2: thinking on the drive in this morning, who might be

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Speaker 2: a potential replacement for Yetka Climkova. Do you think they

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Speaker 2: might look at Paul Temple, the coach of the Wellington

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's there's a name like Paul's will

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Speaker 3: definitely be on the on their raid. I mean, there

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Speaker 3: It needs a reboot, a refresh. But it was tough though,

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Speaker 3: because I think you left the jog my memory. But

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Speaker 3: the coach that took over, it was always going to

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Speaker 3: be a fractured situation where the team wasn't in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Maine, he was one of the assistants. But

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Speaker 2: When they went to Spain to play Japan, Michael Maine

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Speaker 2: you're in charge. So yeah, it was all very curious.

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Speaker 3: Now, Many is a great man, and that's the things

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Speaker 3: you can't really judge someone on just having to do

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Speaker 3: We didn't even have I don't think we had Sarpret

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Speaker 2: Elijah was there? Yeah, No, but no Sapri, Yeah, no Sapri.

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Speaker 2: A couple of others, No, Callum Macowart, he wasn't there either.

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Speaker 2: A couple of others who would be in and around

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Speaker 2: the squad weren't there. So yeah, it was a I mean,

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Speaker 2: the US are going through what they would probably call

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Speaker 2: a rebuilding phase and they've got Marico Pochettino into to

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Speaker 2: boss them around now. But you know, I think it

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Speaker 2: was a I mean, when you draw one all with

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Speaker 2: For what that's worth, it's a good result.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. You're away from home in Cincinnati. They've got Pulls,

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Speaker 3: who's their one big superstar. But I think you know,

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Speaker 3: the collective, let's just call it the star power medium

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Speaker 3: star power of the All Whites is good enough to

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Speaker 3: match it with USA. And there's definitely some promising signs there.

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Speaker 3: And I think you can see the way that all

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Speaker 3: I think he's in Portugal now. Yeah, it's just augu

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Speaker 3: As Weld, isn't it for the future?

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Speaker 2: It does, Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they go.

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Speaker 2: They've got World Cup qualifiers next and they should breeze

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Speaker 2: through those and as you know, it's automatic qualification for

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Speaker 2: Oceania now, so by the back end of March next

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Speaker 2: year we should have the All Whites confirmed that the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six World Cup and then I guess the

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Speaker 2: secret is James is to get some decent games like

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Speaker 2: these ones against Mexico in the US to pad out

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Speaker 2: those windows between March of next year and when the

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Speaker 2: World Cup rolls around in kind of June and July

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other thing I think that needs to

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Speaker 3: right now we've probably got the most creative squad that

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Speaker 3: if you had to call someone else in, but if

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Speaker 3: you've got Eliza just Sarpre, it's saying Ben Old all

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Speaker 3: these players who are actual, proper, you know, playmakers, creative creativity.

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Speaker 3: I think Australia would be would be jealous of the squad.

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Speaker 3: And then you've got people like Joey Champness who's come

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Speaker 3: in that I'd call it a problem position for Southern

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Speaker 3: those types of creative players.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget Marco Rojas down here at Wellington Phoenix again James.

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Speaker 2: Another one goodness from Hamilton, Yes, yes, another of another

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Speaker 2: from the Mighty White Cuttle. Just before you go, did

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Speaker 2: you catch up with the new format for Super Rugby

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Speaker 2: next year? The eleven teams and the top six and

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Speaker 2: the lucky losers and those sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting man. I mean I think it mirrors

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Speaker 3: a little bit of what the NRL does. I think

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Speaker 3: the playoffs needs to be needed, some kind of shake up.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind that it's there is mass equations required.

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Speaker 3: It just adds to the intrigue. So yeah, it's great

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Speaker 3: to see. I always just when it comes to Super Rugby,

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Speaker 3: I just wonder, you know, how do they maximize it?

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Speaker 3: Because that Super Rugby semi final between the Chiefs and

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Speaker 3: the Hurricanes was an absolute blockbuster, but still so many

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Speaker 3: yellow seats. That's the challenge for Super Rugby.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Always great to chat. James. Will try and get

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Speaker 2: you back in your normal spot next Sunday, but I

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Speaker 2: mean you will have many other commitments, I know. But

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Speaker 2: let's get your people to talk to our people and

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Speaker 2: we'll chat at some stage. I'm sure next.

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Speaker 3: Sunday, see exactly you can. I'm sure our people can

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Speaker 3: work it out. It's not going to be a Josh

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Speaker 3: Morby situation. We'll be able to sort this right now.

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Speaker 2: Good Thanks indeed, James McConney. Big part of our Sunday

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Speaker 2: is normally one forty five, a bit later today, but

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Speaker 2: always great to chat all sorts of sport with James

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon.

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