1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Can you report into our relationship with China and the 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: education sector specifically in a nutshell, we need to compete 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: harder for students. So they make up thirty five percent 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: of international enrollments. Currently, they bring in about three and 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: a half billion dollars a year. Average Chinese student pays 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: about fifty eight and a half thousand dollars to be here. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: The pipeline is under pressure, though, they claim in this report. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: John McKinnon is the New Zealand China Council chair and 9 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: he is with us. John, Morning to. 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: You, Good morning mate. 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Industry would be pretty cognizant of this. They're pretty sharpened 12 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: onto it, aren't they. 13 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean this is something which has been building 14 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 2: over several years that this report allows us to look 15 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: a little more closely at some of the data and 16 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: to figure out where we might need to be going. 17 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Okay, the visa change is helping generally or not? 18 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Well. The changes are of two kinds. There is a 19 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: change in terms of the range of students covegencizer. There's 20 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: a change also in terms of competition from other countries, 21 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: or when I say competition, I mean students in China 22 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: having a choice to go do not just Australia in Canada, 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 2: but also to countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Germany, This Only 24 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. So there's a much 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: greater range of choice for a Chinese student than there 26 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: used to be. 27 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: How do we sell it? Do we sell the quality 28 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of the education specifically or is a becom a bee common? 29 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: We sell lifestyle? 30 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: We sell a combination. And when I say we, I 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: guess we're talking bastically about the education institutions themselves. A 32 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: combination of the quality of the education, that it's in 33 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: a very attractive and safe country, and that it's English speaking, 34 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: not just in the tuition delivered, but in the country 35 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: around it. So the student coming to China coming to 36 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: New Zealand, or the parent who sending is all their 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: child in New Zealand can be confident they're getting that 38 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: quality education in a very safe and attractive environment. 39 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Have we got the balance right mutual benefit versus the 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: cash cow that some people think. 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: It is, Well, it's always going to be a balance 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: that has to be struck. But as you mentioned in 43 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: the opener, this is a very significant source of being 44 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: come for New Zealand, both generally and also simply educational institutions. 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: That's always going to be a factor, but it won't 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: work unless the education is actually quality, good stuff. 47 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: John appreciate it. John McKinnon, who's the New Zealand China 48 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: Council chair. The ERO change is announced by the Education 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Minister yesterday. It's color coded, so you know, dark green, 50 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: like green. I like green. I like green, So green's 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: a good color. Orange and red I'm not so keen 52 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: on but I'd like to c and pink. No, I 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: don't think. I'd like to think we're more sophisticated in 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: wanting to read about our schools and kids' education. But 55 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: color coding will do it. It does anyone object to 56 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: color coding? Oh? Look, what's our school? Is our child 57 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: doing well? 58 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: Well? 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: It's dark green. Sums it up, doesn't it. 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 61 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 62 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.